Helaena and Aemond is (probably) a thing
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
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I feel like I may have miscommunicated at the beginning of the video. The theory I am arguing for here is there is probably something extra Targaryen going on between Aemond and Helaena, not necessarily that he's the father of the kids. This is based mostly on what I think is a pretty significant hidden clue in the books to something that is presented as a historical mystery.
I do think there is a reasonable chance Aemond is the father of Maelor though. I thought that the twins looked toddler aged when we saw them in episode 9, but people have pointed out that they are supposed to be six years old, which would have meant that Aemond was 9-11 years old depending on what version of reality you're in. The timeline of this show makes no sense, which is something I discussed at length in another video czcams.com/video/mZAVpGdILMU/video.html
I mean, it shouldn't be possible for the twins to be older than 5, and that would be if Helaena and Aegon were married and concieved a child immediately after episode 7, when Helaena was 11-12 and Aegon was 13-14, which, YIKES.
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I always thought Aemond&Helaena theory is true because there are so many hints pointed out already. But l didn’t notice the empty chair in ep.8 before. It’s subtle but definitely suspicious. Really interesting. And it seems Aegon already knew about EVERYTHING between his siblings because the way he looked at Aemond right after Helaena being invited to dance by Jacaerys. He knew his brother would be pissed😂
Back in episode 6, Larys told Alicent: "It's a willful blindness the King . You'd surely suffer the same affliction if it came to it"
Alicent "I would not"
Larys looked at her *Oh yeah, what are you saying? seriously?* 😂
I see that already from episode 6 there are hints about Aemond/Helaena
There is absolutely nothing between Helaena and Aemond. Especially in the book. Helaena and Aegon weren't madly in love, but actually got along, slept in the same chambers and bed until blood and cheese. There is no hint whatsoever in the source material that Aemond has a thing for Helaena. And I don't think the show will change something that important from the book.
@@danika9411 I mean I don't see why there would be any direct mentions in the book as it's a historical account and it would have been a secret affair. This wouldn't change anything from the book at all. That's the fun of this show, we get to understand the personal context for these characters that the history left out.
And the whole dying at the ~exact~ same moment thing is the kind of major hidden clue that George loves to include in his stories. Especially knowing from the show that she's a dreamer, Aemond's death has to be the reason she jumped; it's just to specific not to be meaningful. And that's full on Romeo and Juliet doomed lovers sh*t.
I don't think the AemondxHelaena is true, people are just coping about it.
@@gurunvalgarsdottir6664Aegon's child are 6. So Aemond can't be the father, he would be too young back then for that. This Aemond/Helaena is just a headcanon created by some fans on copium.
Just gonna pause in the beginning to say really quick, I agree with the Title.
#1. My lightbulb moment for this idea: Aemond thinking he'd be next in line if Aegon wasnt in the way... Technically if Aegon was to be king, his children would be next in line after him, right? Not Aemond. Unless, Helaena got pregnant by Aemond... which got me to thinking...
#2. Helaena does make a toast, and mentions Aegon always ignoring her unless when he drunk sometimes...
#3. And back when they were kids, it was Aemond who said he'd marry her & do his duty, had their mom married them, instead of to Aegon.
No one wonders why Aegon brought his 13 year old brother to the brothel? Precisely at the age of 13. This is a parallel between Aemond and Viserys 2.
I want to say that Viserys 2 became a father at the age of 13 (Aegon 3 was born in 135 AC, that is, Viserys was able to impregnate Larra at the age of 12-13)
It is entirely possible that Aemond is the father of Helaine's children.
Never thought of that. It is genuinely horrifying how young children are forced to be sexual in this world and it's for sure something that hugely impacts these characters. It does seem like they're going to explore that with Aemond's character.
Interesting since helaena's death is a mystery and aemond is portrayed as cartoon villain without motivations as i don't see it as grrm's style of writing bad guy. I believe there is so much to explore their characters and their feelings. But unfortunately i think helaena's character will be only known through aemond's and alicent's lens.
I like to ship them for the sole reason that Helaena deserves one decent male relationship (or any decent relationships in general) considering her spoiler-free future but I think canonically it would make sense if Aegon, being disgusted by his sister on a lot of levels, basically made Aemond perform his duty to get an heir. Like he wasn't gonna bang is weirdo bug-loving nonsense-speaker (his words, not mine!) so he convinced Aemond to do it. And from there, the interpreter can decide if they truly 'fell in love' or just prefered each other's company over his (who wouldn't?). Another thing that lends credence to this, imo, is that Aegon never cared about being King and Aemond would likely see him being the secret father of Aegon's heirs as a surefire way to discredit them and Aegon should the time come for him to usurp them (which he seems very keen on doing, lmao). I think it all just works but I do prefer a little bit more 'love' in this ship if I can have it. Again, Helaena deserves the world, in the book and show.
Edit to add: the timeline is an absolute mess in the show and the book timeline gives me the ick (Aemond having to be 12 in order to get 13 y/o Helaena pregnant with the twins who she gave birth to at 14) but yeah, I think I still prefer it over Helaena just fully being a hopeless pawn in her grandfather's sh!tty usurping game, IMO
this theory is everything to me like i’m so serious. one thing that made me back up a little bit is the opening tho. it always changes when a targaryen dies/marry/have legitimate children. i wonder how’d be the change cause in the last one there’s the symbolism that aegon II and helaena married and had 3 kids. i wonder if they ever reveal that aemond is actually the father if they’d change the opening making the diamond and the spider symbol unite? but then the children would be bastards and they’re not supposed to be shown in the opening? like luke and jace aren’t there. or maybe it would show cause we have aemond’s symbol, it’s no outsider like harwin strong. i hope you understand what i’m saying lmao. what do you think?
Yeah this is something I was wondering about too! I think that Jace, Luke and Joff are there, their bloodlines just come from Rhaenyra with no paternal bloodline shown. Maybe they will change it if it's revealed that Aemond is the father, or maybe it is just supposed to show what is historically thought to be the bloodline because everyone believes the kids are Aegon's.
There is an interesting detail there. The blood of Aemond and Aegon merge before splitting into two lines. You can compare them with others. It's also very strange that they changed the sequence. Why is Aegon between Aymand and Helaena? Helaena, as the middle child, should be in the middle - between the brothers. I also don't really trust the intro because it might get changed once the blood and cheese have passed. The showrunners won't spoil the first season, especially when the difference between the first and second seasons is so big.
This Aemond x Helaena ship is just a fanfic. There is nothing between them. Just forget it before being desappointed. Also the kids can't be Aemond's because of the age gape. Both Jahaerys and Jahaera are 6, so to be there father, Aemond should have the same age as Aegon. And don't forget that even Helaena is older than Aemond by 2 years. This ship is just absurd😂
@@alexevans4637 in the show, helaena was born on year 115 and aemond was born on 115/116 which makes them one year apart or less. also the twins are three by the end of s1, that means helaena was a mother at age 14/15 since episodes 8-10 take part on year 132, right now she is 17/18. while this is crazy, we are talking about the asoiaf world on which we already had characters being parents even earlier than that due to society norms. i think it's too early for you to be so convinced since this theory has even more hints than what was mentioned here and actually makes sense for the storyline. not necessarily the twins need to be aemond's, but the minimum that can happen with all that is something going on between him and helaena.
@@user-ts5pi6oz4p Yeah keep dreaming😂
I love this theory
“Like a little Piss Baby” “may or may not be incest related”😂 girl you are so funny. Keep up the good work!
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The only reason "Helaemond" is such a big thing is because the person who leaked the character sheets was a Helaena fan who saw how much better Aemond was portrayed than than Aegon the show and decided to take the "I would do my duty and marry her" line out of context and add Aemond having a crush on her on his character sheet before releasing it (the first version had no mention of this). This caused people to go into the show looking for signs that weren't there. It's out of character for all three parties involved and if it was actually intended, it would've been addressed in season 1 already (considering Aemond and Helaena will never see each other again after a few more episodes).
I still have hopes that they will not go in this direction. We already have a very well know siblings love triangle between Aemon, Naerys and Aegon which I expect they'll cover in future HoTD shows. Making the same story twice seems cheap. 😅
The empty chair in ep.8 is something I noticed too, but I think it's just a mistake during shooting or montage. And the reason why he looks at Helaena and Jace while they dance it simply because he has to be looking that way so that the joke with the pig would make sense. I might be wrong ofcourse, but I'm excited to see where they'll take the story anyways :)
Aegon's child are 6. So Aemond can't be the father, he would be too young back then for that. This Aemond/Helaena is just a headcanon created by some fans on copium. Also his relationship with Alys or the brothel mama seems to confirm that Aemond has a thing for older women😕??
Show jaehaerys and jaehaera are aged down to 3 or 4 year Olds.
@@heartlesslove9084 No because there is a leak showing Jahaera for Season 2 and she clearly looks like a 6-7 years old girl and Season 2 events happened 10 days after Season 1.
The age difference between Aemond and Helaena is only one year. Viserys 2 was able to conceive Aegon 4 when he was 12 years old
@@gurunvalgarsdottir6664 Still that ship is no more than a headcanon. Don't tell me you also believe it?
I think Aemond and Helaena are very dear to each other, but imo it's siblings' affection rather than romantic love. Also, the fact in ep 9 se1, the twins babble sth like "Aemond, Aemon(d) daddy" before he enters the room indicates he's probably present in his nephews' and sister's life. I think it would make sense for Aemond and Helaena to be close. However, the latest trailer clearly shows Aemond allows himself to be vulnerable with the brothel madame who btw SA'ed him when he was 13 and doesn't seek comfort in his sister's presence... So probably Helaena and Aemond aren't close friends I wanted them to be
Yeah I hope it's that, I just feel like they're gonna make it some weird Targaryen situation. If they do have a romantic relationship it would be toxic as hell, I don't really want that for either of them.
There is no proof that he is seeking out with brothel madam. Why would he go to a brothel when he couldn't even look at brothel madam in ep9 much less he likes to scroll around the city?
@@heartlesslove9084 Hope you're right, but there are rumors mysterious woman Aemond is with in the trailer is the madame.
Agreed, if you think about it, this ship and the fact that Aemond being the kids father made non sense at all.
I mean if the twins are around 6 (we saw the leaked actors) then aemond would be around 9-12 when he fathers them, thats like a bit young for a love affair haha
Yeah I'm still not entirely convinced the kids are his, especially the twins. But also trying to figure out the ages of any of these characters is a maddening task b/c the cannon timeline makes zero sense with how old any of the younger generations are supposed to be. In the cannon timeline it's impossible for the twins to be older than 5 and Helaena would have been around 11 and Aegon 13, when they were concieved, so they were all way to young.
Present day Aemond is technically only 15, but there's no way he's actually supposed to be.
The kids we saw in s1 definitely were younger. There also may have been practical, shooting reasons for not having little, little kids considering the scenes they're going to be in.
@@QuinnFirstOfHerName In the book if I remember correctly Aegon is 22, Helaena 20, Aemond 19 and Daeron 15 at the start of the Dance. Jahaerys and Jahaera were born when Helaena was 14 and Aegon 16 and were 6 years old at episode 9. Maelor was 2 years old.
The show skipped one time skip. Between Vaemonds death and Viserys death are 2 years. They scrapped that to not have another timeskip. Aegon mentioned in episode 9 that he is 20 years old. Which confirms that they simply didn't want to have a 4th timeskip in one season. So their ages should be this: Aegon 20, Helaena 18, Aemond 17 and Daeron isn't mentioned yet. But he flies to war so they probably keep his canon age of 15 years old. The twins are around 4 years old, Maelor wasn't mentioned or shown yet as well.
Helaena and Aegon were married when they were 13 and 15 and the twins conceived when Helaena was 13, born when she was 14. So Aemond would have been 12 years old. We know that Aegon took him to a brothel on his 13th birthday and that he was a virgin ( the "time to get it wet" comment implys that he still was one ).
I think the theory of Aemond and Helaena is very unlikely. Especially since Aemond likes much older women and later has spoiler!!!
a goth-witch, girlfriend who is said to be around 40 years old. It's teased with the brothel madam already that that is more the age range he prefers.