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I always assumed the curse was transferring from Michael to Jamie. His humanity was returning. Jamie was darkening and staying silent just like Michael, hence Loomis' new attitude. He saw what was happening and is understandably not cool with it
Pre-cell phones, we all had that moment of yelling to the ringing land line as we ran through the house to pick it up. That is until your mom picked up a 100ft cord for it so it could be snaked all throughout the house! Good times!
So true. The long phone cords were a godsend. My older sisters always hogged the damn phone. It was a constant battle for who got the phone 1st. I grew up with 3 older sisters. I was glad my main childhood friends lived on my street or at least on the same block. I knew they were home, cuz I would ride my bike over to their house and knock on the door. 😂✌️. If you saw other bikes in the yard, ya knew it was a party lol. Video games and free sodas. This was in the 1980’s. We played Atari and then Nintendo 😍💥
Lol! My good times was trying to pick up the phone quietly as possible so i could listen to the conversation only for me to be listening for 2 sec until my mom said hang up the phone before i hang it up in your ass lol
The police was told that Michael did stole a coffin of a nine year old girl and it can be seen in the attic at the end of the movie where Jamie lays into it. As for Loomis being completely insane at this point is realistic. The amount of mayhem he witnessed and responsibility he feels with his former patient killing a lot of innocent people and that Michael’s evil will never die would make anyone completely crazy, impatient, or tired
@@WildWestRascal totally... poor Dr. Loomis knew this serial killing machine since he was a novice 6yr old boy. I could imagine how pissed off I would be too if I were him. It’s true in every film he had to explain who Michael Myers is. Just saying the name Michael Myers should be enough for any resident of Haddonfield to grab their weapons of choice and hope for the best. Nothing works on him anyway. He will probably die of old age. It’s the only thing they have not used yet. Someone said that on a HK review video & I laughed so hard. I wish I remembered their name. He said yeah watch Myers die of old age or Covid. I said true, maybe that is the key to his demise all along. Haddonfield just needs to wait it out.
Agree with everything you said as I was just as confused when the guy said how would Loomis even know that or whatever. I got the impression that offscreen , maybe he was told by a cop about the child’s coffin being dug up. Or maybe it isn’t that he dug one up but went to a mortuary and stole it? Maybe you’re right, but not sure If I remember him saying the police were told that Michael stole the coffin. If so, it’s like, did someone see him in his mask and all, assuming it was Michael? Because at this point, he’s still considered to have been killed in the mineshaft. Loomis and Jamie know otherwise. Which brings me to another question? Did Jamie foresee that Michael was still alive as her new psychic ability had her imitating michaels kills or worried about Rachel as she felt something, not sure about Michael still alive, but she was losing it when she felt her life was in danger. How didn’t she bug out when Rachael was stabbed with the sister? And there’s one final question, as in nobody follows up on Rachael an hour or two later to see she is still safe? She was going to wherever to meet her parents, right? She didn’t seem to be in a rush or packing things. I think I just need to rewatch it then! Lol. After so many things in Halloween Kills, where so many things happened where you can let something fly that doesn’t make sense, even for a second time. But when you’re paying attention that much more, and see a million other things which cam eoff more insulting than anything else to the hardcore fans who know the original inside and out , having watched it a million times, like Lonny going from being a bully on the same day as he’s the one being bullied by two girls and a boy in the flashback scene as he now seems to no longer have his two buddies and has been trick r treating by himself. One of the many things that had us saying, uhhhhhh.....what did I miss? Oh wait. Nothing. Because we’re not even given any clue whatsoever as he went from being the bully to being the one picked on!
@@yungblade7 Understandable, but if they wanted to up the stakes then don't kill off the second main character in 20 minutes. Keep them around for the movie THEN kill them off for like a sacrifice to protect another.
The people Michael didn't kill immediately here is because he can't "STALK" them anymore to increase his Evil Within power, he needs to stalk other people to get to tier III.
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"Why yell at the phone?". Yeah you showing your young age (and me showing my old age....in answering it) it was actually quite normal when your landline rang and you had to run to answer it....before the invention of and wide use of cordless phones and later cell and smart phones....just like telling an inanimate object to "stay" when you hit it and it wobbles or it falls and you pick it up and set it back where its supposed to be....
Young people will never know the pleasure of slamming the phone down when you hang up on someone. Pressing the screen just doesn't give the same satisfaction.
I call the Thorn Trilogy the Jamie Lloyd Trilogy as the Thorn doesn't appear until Halloween 5, on another note, the two cops that Michael kills at The Myers House are named Eddie and Charlie, I started thinking their names could be a nod to Chucky as Chucky and his real first name Charles are both nicknames for Charlie and Eddie being killed in the driver's seat of a car could be a nod to Charles Lee Ray's partner Eddie Caputo who was supposed to be his getaway driver before leaving him for dead before he possesses Chucky
Loomis fully sees Jamie as he saw Michael. He believed Michael was pure evil so by extension, Jamie too must be evil. Also, he didnt dig up the grave for the 9 year old corpse, more for a 9 year old sized coffin to put his 9 year old niece in. Come on guys, I thought this was a video about things WE missed!
But it’s implied as “THAT” so we don’t know if he’s referring to the coffin or actual body when he says, “What do you think he’s going to do with that!?” As if he was referring to the coffin it would’ve made more sense to say “it” . Just saying, took me awhile to grasp it. Especially since in 6 they go into a more darker storyline
Exactly! He is scared Jamie will turn out just like Michael and is literally losing his mind trying to stop Michael from killing again. He tries every way he can to try to get Jamie to help him track Michael down. Scaring her about the child coffin, bringing up her stepmom, etc. Sadly, she is scared as hell and had this weird connection to Michael so she breaks under the pressure until she sees Tina in danger. 🎃🖤
"character change in Michael Myers"?? In the first film he doesn't kill everyone he bumps into. He does eavesdrop on other characters in daylight. He watches people from a distance. That said, it could be the dumb psychic connection between him and Jamie that causes his hesitation when reaching out to Racheal.
I used to always think that was people editing in the circus music in Halloween 5 until I was watching it one day and really focus and heard it like wtf lol smh
I never had a problem with the way Loomis acted in this movie. The man was tired of all this shit and hit his boiling point as I think anyone would. He offered Jamie up to get Michael down stairs for the trap that was set.
Exactly! He is scared Jamie will turn out just like Michael and is literally losing his mind trying to stop Michael from killing again. He tries every way he can to try to get Jamie to help him track Michael down. Scaring her about the child coffin, bringing up her stepmom, etc. Sadly, she is scared as hell and had this weird connection to Michael so she breaks under the pressure until she sees Tina in danger. And he needed her to believe he was offering her up at the end so Michael would believe it. He knew they were connected. 🎃🖤
To be honest, halloween 5 is my favorite movie. Yes its flawed but I think the pros outweigh the cons. One of them being the mask. The mask is my favorite in the franchise. The music is also amazing and very atmospheric. And I understand the myers house issue but come on they tried at least. When you made that michael myers animation that mask you drew for part 5 is really more of a reason to like it. Its been my wallpaper for years lol.
I watched it back a few days ago, and my god was it painful to get through. A lot of scenes were so dumb I completely burst out laughing and the other parts were just painfully boring… it is fun to watch with a group of friends though because of how bad it is
5:58 - back before cellphones, every single person has yelled I'm coming when running to answer the phone. We knew the other person couldn't hear us, we just didn't want them to hang up before we got to the phone... No caller ID - we'd be wondering who's call we just missed.
There is an underlying aspect of Michael killing and how he sets up the victims in an aspect of prop prank scares throughout every film to the most recent one
skabcat242 The original plan was to make 3 movies, with different events occurring on Halloween night. After Halloween 2, John & Debra tried to fulfill that goal, if this was a serious question, lol.
The jumpcut in where Michael kills Tina's boyfriend Michael is cause he was convulsing on the ground and it lingered for a few seconds. I think they cut the impact of the kill shorter too.
Halloween 5 had so much potential just for them to kill the favorite character off right away in Rachel And not go anywhere worth while with Michael an the little girl! connection
I’m so upset how dirty they did Rachel. I kind of like the dynamic with Tina being Rachel’s friend and her trying to save Jamie, but them killing her off too ruined it. In my opinion they should have done more with Rachel.
"Michael Myers doesn't talk, now she doesn't talk." Wait, this type of thing also happened in Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning with Tommy Jarvis and his obsession on Jason, and the endings of both 5th installments of franchise are similar, Tommy tried to stab Pam while wearing Roy's mask with Jamie trying to stab her stepmom whike wearing a clown mask.
I like the fact that they humanize Michael in this.. the fact that when Jamie calls him Uncle he stops and the fact that Jamie said let me see he actually took off his mask and he was actually going to let her touch his face but then he had to think about everything he's been through and he snapped out of it.. Jamie could have been the one person that actually get through to Michael.
It means Breast and Blue Suede Shoes ALWAYS catch your eye. And thats how clear he saw the trouble on Loomis' face, or whatever it was he said he saw. lol
A "colossal boo boo" that I've never seen mentioned in any recap/review of this fine flick (ahem...) is that when Jamie calls out "Uncle Boogeyman" and Michael Meyers sheds a tear; the close-up of the crying eyeball is that of his left...which was skewered out by Jamies mother Laurie in the patriarch of this franchise... continuity amiright?!? 🍻😛
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7:43 Well... Yeah, Jimmy. 😆 In the original, he had countless opportunities to kill Bob, Lynda and Annie but he didn't. He, as you said, enjoyed stalking them. I don't get why you're confused by how stalkerish he is on this film when it was clearly established in the original that he is creeper.
The first time I saw Halloween 5 was Biddeford Cinemas, Biddeford, Maine on October 21, 1989 at 2pm. But there was a problem, I hadn't seen Halloween 4. But I had seen Halloween's one through three. So the first time I saw Halloween 5, I was confused. I remember I tried and tried to get people to take me to go see it but got nowhere until my brother gave in and took me. He didn't like it but I did, even though I hadn't seen Halloween 4. I finally first saw Halloween 4 when it premiered on HBO, February 17, 1990. After I watched it, I remember it helped me a lot.
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I kind of always saw Michael as someone who got possessed or taken over. To me Michael is stuck in the body while someone else is on control. Thats why we get the tear. Becuase Michael has to watch all this horrible stuff happen but he cant do anything about it but watch. I also attribute this as to why he walks away from some kills in this movie. Jamie can see through Michaels eyes in this movie. So I think that she was able to control him at times, probably unknowingly and was able to steer him away . Thats where I thought the "Thorn trilogy" was going. Especially because of the passing of the tattoo in part 6. So the person with the tattoo was controlling michael. Again, all while michael himself can do nothing but watch as he is a prisoner inside the body.
Missed opportunity to point out how the whole plot is based off the other characters moving on with their lives. They assume Michael was killed EVEN tho they never found the BODY!!! Lol
I agree. When she touched him she got some of the evil, but then he got a small opening in which his humanity shows. Both of them aren’t that strong enough to completely change the character, but it’s still there along with each other’s sight.
I always thought that since Jamie touched his hand at the end of 4, she got some of the evil, but then he got a small opening in which his humanity shows. They each have moments in which they behave like the other. (Jamie stabbing her stepmom, and Michael tearing up.) Both of them aren’t that strong enough to completely change the character, but it’s still there along with each other’s sight. 🎃🖤
Hey Zac & Jimmy, I saw a documentary that talked about how the H5 cops are an homage to the ones in Wes Craven’s The Last House on the Left-including the same carnival music.
Rachel’s death pissed me off more than any other death in this franchise. Tina wasn’t an innocent enough character to carry the movie. She did good considering what they gave her to work with. She couldn’t carry it how Rachel would’ve tho. I think the kills started too soon too considering the pace of the movie overall.
If u watch 616 entertainment's video you'll find out that the reason she's killed off is bc mr director man wanted his lead actress to be a brunette :) He's the worst director
I believe the blue suede shoes line is about the texture of the shoes themselves being easily noticeable or the shoes being clean making them easily noticeable. Either that or some type of dirt or material on suede that would make it easily noticeable. I think it’s funny how in the Halloween community this one comes up it’s confusing, every time I ever watched the scene I never questioned it and understood the context.
Halloween 5 is BONKERS. And the totally different “Myers House” will forever boggle my mind. But I 💯 would have appreciated more about Michael’s life in between the Halloweens… bonding with Tippi. She seemed cool
You thought wayyy to much on that river thing. The guy was a religious nut and the song he sang is a very popular church song lol they used to sing that same song at my grandmas church when I was a kid lol alot of churches in small towns in the country go to the river to baptize people in the water
People used to yell “I’m coming” all the time when house phones would ring. Obviously everyone knows the person can’t hear you, but it happened…. A lot
To me, call me crazy, the reason that the mask, at least with the hair, looks different is due to the exposure to the river water wetting up the hair alot while Michael was in it (For as short as he was) and because the mask was left in, more or less, outside conditions, it was left in the weird slicked back way. As for the actual latex... I dunno. XD Also, the jump cut edit I can explain as originally when he fell on the ground, Mikey's body was twitch more before Michael pulled it away, but the MPAA actually forced them to take out a second or two of it, WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF THE SAME SHOT, hence the jump cut. I actually noticed alot of different little jump cuts within the same shots in the film, like when Jamie is looking for a place to hide in the Myers house.
No return strikes and revenge not close but good try it’s not a trilogy thorn was brought up till part 5 so stop with this trilogy shot at lost it would be Jamie Lloyd trilogy
I disagree with the “humanizing” of not ending them when he has the chance on purpose. Nothing is crueler than knowing you can and will end someone stalking them but it will be delayed letting that fester in your mind knowing you are on borrowed time. As the audience thats what I feel the directer was pulling at in that closet scene. Like the idea that this psychopath is just one room away and WE know that but the character does not put me on edge because no matter what is filmed, we know just one room away is Micheal.
The jump cut during Mikey's death is due to it having to be cut down for the MPAA ratings, There is some other scenes that were omitted from the movie entirely such as the swat massacre & Jamie getting stabbed in the leg in the laundry chute.
Alright gonna correct you on the skinny dipping issue lol at the party the dude hitting in Tina asked her to go skinny dipping at the hot spring, so that’s why she asked them to go haha
Imagine a world where Halloween 4 dealt with Michael Meyers as a legend, and Jamie became the shape in a way where Michael stayed dead and Halloween 3 was pulled into the main story. And then Halloween 5 onward had a different shape each movie ala Doctor Who, starting with grown up murder!Jamie
halloween 4 and 5 were my favorites strictly because of rachel lol. that and there’s a lot more depth with him and jaime because she knows from the start what michael’s plan is while laurie doesnt know until it is almost too late. and the next movie explains the human aspect of michael so thats perfectly fine by me. actually the rob zombie ones are my favorite but thats a different franchise in my eyes.
As a son of an old man that uses old analogies way too often "... as clear as breasts and blue suede shoes ..." is a southern saying meant to mean that something is standing out or being an object of immediate attention, ie; in a poor town blue suede shoes would have been a rare sight so you're more likely to notice them, and likewise the breast part of the saying I'm assuming you probably understand, they both stick out, albeit in different ways.
Rachel yelling “I’m coming” at the phone, many people myself included did that and still do. The 9 year olds coffin is in the attic, do believe its mentioned to the cops about it being dug up.
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Honestly, I agree with the idea that someone else taking up the mask after the Michael's death; would've really been a cool idea. To start the movie off like the rest, and reveal early on or in the mid that it isn't Michael, but not say who until the next movie or the end of it, would be a cool thing (imo).
The whole “mute” thing has less to do with making a connection between her and Michael and more about them not wanting to pay the actress that plays Jamie. They literally switch up everything and humanize him as a consequence of being cheapskates, rather then some artistically motivated direction 🤦♂️
The H4 mask did not fit Don Shanks, plus there were allot of complaints about how generic that H4mask looked, so they went a different direction. That became a problem that would dog the franchise in just about every subsequent film.
@8:48 you state that Dr. Loomis says that Michael dug up the grave of a 9 year old girl and you wrongfully assumed he made it up- You can clearly see the little girl's coffin from said grave in the film when Jamie goes upstairs to the attic and sees the candlelight alter Michael made her and she actually climbs into that coffin and tries to touch Michael's face to get him to see reason that she's his niece, a child, and convince him that he should not hurt her. It's very obvious that Michael in fact did dig up a child's grave at the cemetery. We didn't need to see it done in the film to know it indeed happened. Just like we didn't see Michael physically dig up Judith's grave in the original 1978 movie, but we see her headstone later in the film and know what he did.
11:11 the jump cut is because of the scene being edited down to avoid an X-rating with the MPAA.
X was the nc17 in 1989 and was the hornpub rating then because a lot of those hornpub movies got that rating.
idk what anyone says 6 is the worse tops
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I always assumed the curse was transferring from Michael to Jamie. His humanity was returning. Jamie was darkening and staying silent just like Michael, hence Loomis' new attitude. He saw what was happening and is understandably not cool with it
Brilliant
Perfect explanation, I loved this concept. Part 6 was too far out for me.
@@yungblade7 6 was awesome. I love the cult and curse story.
Thats an interesting thought considering that maybe the evil is what made michael not be able to talk but he just wasnt bothered by it
Pre-cell phones, we all had that moment of yelling to the ringing land line as we ran through the house to pick it up. That is until your mom picked up a 100ft cord for it so it could be snaked all throughout the house! Good times!
So true. The long phone cords were a godsend. My older sisters always hogged the damn phone. It was a constant battle for who got the phone 1st. I grew up with 3 older sisters. I was glad my main childhood friends lived on my street or at least on the same block. I knew they were home, cuz I would ride my bike over to their house and knock on the door. 😂✌️. If you saw other bikes in the yard, ya knew it was a party lol. Video games and free sodas. This was in the 1980’s. We played Atari and then Nintendo 😍💥
Lol! My good times was trying to pick up the phone quietly as possible so i could listen to the conversation only for me to be listening for 2 sec until my mom said hang up the phone before i hang it up in your ass lol
The police was told that Michael did stole a coffin of a nine year old girl and it can be seen in the attic at the end of the movie where Jamie lays into it. As for Loomis being completely insane at this point is realistic. The amount of mayhem he witnessed and responsibility he feels with his former patient killing a lot of innocent people and that Michael’s evil will never die would make anyone completely crazy, impatient, or tired
Adding to the fact that nobody seems to respect him, even if he technically saved them plenty of times.
@@WildWestRascal totally... poor Dr. Loomis knew this serial killing machine since he was a novice 6yr old boy. I could imagine how pissed off I would be too if I were him. It’s true in every film he had to explain who Michael Myers is. Just saying the name Michael Myers should be enough for any resident of Haddonfield to grab their weapons of choice and hope for the best. Nothing works on him anyway. He will probably die of old age. It’s the only thing they have not used yet. Someone said that on a HK review video & I laughed so hard. I wish I remembered their name. He said yeah watch Myers die of old age or Covid. I said true, maybe that is the key to his demise all along. Haddonfield just needs to wait it out.
@@cinsationalcinema1776 Yeah, but I don't think Haddonfield citizens are particularly known for their patience Lol
Anyone would fail their SAN roll at this point, honestly.
Agree with everything you said as I was just as confused when the guy said how would Loomis even know that or whatever. I got the impression that offscreen , maybe he was told by a cop about the child’s coffin being dug up. Or maybe it isn’t that he dug one up but went to a mortuary and stole it? Maybe you’re right, but not sure If I remember him saying the police were told that Michael stole the coffin. If so, it’s like, did someone see him in his mask and all, assuming it was Michael? Because at this point, he’s still considered to have been killed in the mineshaft. Loomis and Jamie know otherwise.
Which brings me to another question? Did Jamie foresee that Michael was still alive as her new psychic ability had her imitating michaels kills or worried about Rachel as she felt something, not sure about Michael still alive, but she was losing it when she felt her life was in danger. How didn’t she bug out when Rachael was stabbed with the sister? And there’s one final question, as in nobody follows up on Rachael an hour or two later to see she is still safe? She was going to wherever to meet her parents, right? She didn’t seem to be in a rush or packing things.
I think I just need to rewatch it then! Lol. After so many things in Halloween Kills, where so many things happened where you can let something fly that doesn’t make sense, even for a second time. But when you’re paying attention that much more, and see a million other things which cam eoff more insulting than anything else to the hardcore fans who know the original inside and out , having watched it a million times, like Lonny going from being a bully on the same day as he’s the one being bullied by two girls and a boy in the flashback scene as he now seems to no longer have his two buddies and has been trick r treating by himself. One of the many things that had us saying, uhhhhhh.....what did I miss? Oh wait. Nothing. Because we’re not even given any clue whatsoever as he went from being the bully to being the one picked on!
I personally think Rachel should have survived this movie no matter what the director wanted
I have a theory that the actress for Tina probably slept with everybody on the film and got a bigger part.
@@MP-mc7bs Wouldn't be the first time.
So true
It upped the stakes Mike was heartless in 5
@@yungblade7 Understandable, but if they wanted to up the stakes then don't kill off the second main character in 20 minutes. Keep them around for the movie THEN kill them off for like a sacrifice to protect another.
"What about your stepmother, Jamie?", Loomis asked calmly.
Literally not only bringing up Sheriff meeker's dead daughter
The people Michael didn't kill immediately here is because he can't "STALK" them anymore to increase his Evil Within power, he needs to stalk other people to get to tier III.
“…He just goes straight.”
“But something tells me you don’t…”
I almost choked on my pasta🤣💀
Is that a gay joke?
@Ms Fat Cat 3:20
@@mikebomb yup 😂😭
That joke had me rolling
It's Saturday and there's a NEW CZsWorld video? OH MY GODNESS, COULD TODAY GET ANY BETTER?
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@@SheaRants ok
You took the words right out of my mouth
@@SheaRants it s whatever he wants it to be
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Who DOESNT say Im coming when they hear the phone ring in another room? Seriously.
"Why yell at the phone?". Yeah you showing your young age (and me showing my old age....in answering it) it was actually quite normal when your landline rang and you had to run to answer it....before the invention of and wide use of cordless phones and later cell and smart phones....just like telling an inanimate object to "stay" when you hit it and it wobbles or it falls and you pick it up and set it back where its supposed to be....
Young people will never know the pleasure of slamming the phone down when you hang up on someone. Pressing the screen just doesn't give the same satisfaction.
@@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263 just slam ur cellphone onto the table or smn
@@saintgein not if it's a nokia, i didn't say what type of cellphone
Yeah, I hear the younger kids yell “stop texting me” to their cell phones so....
"Old age", really? Landlines aren't old, we still have a landline and actually, that's pretty common in my area.
I call the Thorn Trilogy the Jamie Lloyd Trilogy as the Thorn doesn't appear until Halloween 5, on another note, the two cops that Michael kills at The Myers House are named Eddie and Charlie, I started thinking their names could be a nod to Chucky as Chucky and his real first name Charles are both nicknames for Charlie and Eddie being killed in the driver's seat of a car could be a nod to Charles Lee Ray's partner Eddie Caputo who was supposed to be his getaway driver before leaving him for dead before he possesses Chucky
Loomis fully sees Jamie as he saw Michael. He believed Michael was pure evil so by extension, Jamie too must be evil. Also, he didnt dig up the grave for the 9 year old corpse, more for a 9 year old sized coffin to put his 9 year old niece in. Come on guys, I thought this was a video about things WE missed!
But it’s implied as “THAT” so we don’t know if he’s referring to the coffin or actual body when he says, “What do you think he’s going to do with that!?” As if he was referring to the coffin it would’ve made more sense to say “it” . Just saying, took me awhile to grasp it. Especially since in 6 they go into a more darker storyline
Exactly! He is scared Jamie will turn out just like Michael and is literally losing his mind trying to stop Michael from killing again. He tries every way he can to try to get Jamie to help him track Michael down. Scaring her about the child coffin, bringing up her stepmom, etc. Sadly, she is scared as hell and had this weird connection to Michael so she breaks under the pressure until she sees Tina in danger. 🎃🖤
"character change in Michael Myers"?? In the first film he doesn't kill everyone he bumps into. He does eavesdrop on other characters in daylight. He watches people from a distance. That said, it could be the dumb psychic connection between him and Jamie that causes his hesitation when reaching out to Racheal.
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I used to always think that was people editing in the circus music in Halloween 5 until I was watching it one day and really focus and heard it like wtf lol smh
More like clown 🤡 music hence the iconic clown costume took me a while to understand it at first I was annoyed
7:26 I NEVER realized he was in the background! I always thought it was a gardener or something
I never had a problem with the way Loomis acted in this movie. The man was tired of all this shit and hit his boiling point as I think anyone would. He offered Jamie up to get Michael down stairs for the trap that was set.
Exactly! He is scared Jamie will turn out just like Michael and is literally losing his mind trying to stop Michael from killing again. He tries every way he can to try to get Jamie to help him track Michael down. Scaring her about the child coffin, bringing up her stepmom, etc. Sadly, she is scared as hell and had this weird connection to Michael so she breaks under the pressure until she sees Tina in danger. And he needed her to believe he was offering her up at the end so Michael would believe it. He knew they were connected. 🎃🖤
I never know if this movie is underrated or just bad, I have to watch it again I think haha
To be honest, halloween 5 is my favorite movie. Yes its flawed but I think the pros outweigh the cons.
One of them being the mask.
The mask is my favorite in the franchise.
The music is also amazing and very atmospheric.
And I understand the myers house issue but come on they tried at least.
When you made that michael myers animation that mask you drew for part 5 is really more of a reason to like it.
Its been my wallpaper for years lol.
It’s bad, really bad 😭
@@NeoReoxis I mean thats your opinion,and everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
I watched it back a few days ago, and my god was it painful to get through. A lot of scenes were so dumb I completely burst out laughing and the other parts were just painfully boring… it is fun to watch with a group of friends though because of how bad it is
Or at least killed her valiantly, like protecting Jamie or something.
5:58 - back before cellphones, every single person has yelled I'm coming when running to answer the phone. We knew the other person couldn't hear us, we just didn't want them to hang up before we got to the phone... No caller ID - we'd be wondering who's call we just missed.
COOKIE WOMAN!!!!! Is one of the few highlights of this abortion of a Myers movie. Love the content brother!
She had some big……..cookies
There is an underlying aspect of Michael killing and how he sets up the victims in an aspect of prop prank scares throughout every film to the most recent one
I watched 1, 2, and started 4 last night! This is an annual tradition for me. Next Saturday night is an order from Pizza Hut and the last two films.
Loser
You skipped 3??
@@randycunningham7318 I've never seen it! I should, but since Michael isn't in it I never did.
@bw2569 Not true actually Michael appears on a TV showing the first movie
I was kinda dissapointed Jamie did not become evil in Halloween 5.
The Halloween franchise is about Michael not Jamie smh
@@juliusminaj Then how do you explain Halloween III?
skabcat242 The original plan was to make 3 movies, with different events occurring on Halloween night. After Halloween 2, John & Debra tried to fulfill that goal, if this was a serious question, lol.
It wouldn't make any sense it was better to have her struggling with the side effects
yoo he is on full power this month
Agreed
The jumpcut in where Michael kills Tina's boyfriend Michael is cause he was convulsing on the ground and it lingered for a few seconds. I think they cut the impact of the kill shorter too.
Halloween 5 had so much potential just for them to kill the favorite character off right away in Rachel
And not go anywhere worth while with Michael an the little girl! connection
I’m so upset how dirty they did Rachel. I kind of like the dynamic with Tina being Rachel’s friend and her trying to save Jamie, but them killing her off too ruined it. In my opinion they should have done more with Rachel.
"Michael Myers doesn't talk, now she doesn't talk."
Wait, this type of thing also happened in Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning with Tommy Jarvis and his obsession on Jason, and the endings of both 5th installments of franchise are similar, Tommy tried to stab Pam while wearing Roy's mask with Jamie trying to stab her stepmom whike wearing a clown mask.
Halloween 5 is my favourite, it's the first in the series I remember seeing as a kid.
Came home from a Halloween parade in crazy New Orleans, sat down, and saw this! Great to watch while I’m soaking.
I loved the 4th and 5th one! As a kid we had 5 on vhs and it was my first Halloween movie, so I will forever have a soft spot for it.
I like the fact that they humanize Michael in this.. the fact that when Jamie calls him Uncle he stops and the fact that Jamie said let me see he actually took off his mask and he was actually going to let her touch his face but then he had to think about everything he's been through and he snapped out of it.. Jamie could have been the one person that actually get through to Michael.
Yeah, she got some of his evil and he got a small part of his humanity back when she touched him.
It means Breast and Blue Suede Shoes ALWAYS catch your eye. And thats how clear he saw the trouble on Loomis' face, or whatever it was he said he saw. lol
A "colossal boo boo" that I've never seen mentioned in any recap/review of this fine flick (ahem...) is that when Jamie calls out "Uncle Boogeyman" and Michael Meyers sheds a tear; the close-up of the crying eyeball is that of his left...which was skewered out by Jamies mother Laurie in the patriarch of this franchise... continuity amiright?!? 🍻😛
Love your work... got to ask.... ever did one about nightmare on elm st? I would like to think I know everything about Freddy but per your videos so far about horror series they're is a lot that I've missed.
yess, i agree
7:43 Well... Yeah, Jimmy. 😆 In the original, he had countless opportunities to kill Bob, Lynda and Annie but he didn't. He, as you said, enjoyed stalking them. I don't get why you're confused by how stalkerish he is on this film when it was clearly established in the original that he is creeper.
Yes ! Great way to relax on a day off is catching a new video by CZ
The first time I saw Halloween 5 was Biddeford Cinemas, Biddeford, Maine on October 21, 1989 at 2pm. But there was a problem, I hadn't seen Halloween 4. But I had seen Halloween's one through three. So the first time I saw Halloween 5, I was confused. I remember I tried and tried to get people to take me to go see it but got nowhere until my brother gave in and took me. He didn't like it but I did, even though I hadn't seen Halloween 4. I finally first saw Halloween 4 when it premiered on HBO, February 17, 1990. After I watched it, I remember it helped me a lot.
I hope the Things I Missed in this film help make it a better movie haha! Will be finding out quickly here, but both of us on our channel aren't big fans of this installment, mainly because of the Cult of Thorn plot line!
Beginning of 4 is best opening to any Halloween
I kind of always saw Michael as someone who got possessed or taken over. To me Michael is stuck in the body while someone else is on control. Thats why we get the tear. Becuase Michael has to watch all this horrible stuff happen but he cant do anything about it but watch. I also attribute this as to why he walks away from some kills in this movie. Jamie can see through Michaels eyes in this movie. So I think that she was able to control him at times, probably unknowingly and was able to steer him away . Thats where I thought the "Thorn trilogy" was going. Especially because of the passing of the tattoo in part 6. So the person with the tattoo was controlling michael. Again, all while michael himself can do nothing but watch as he is a prisoner inside the body.
I’ve watched all ur videos at work this week I need u to upload like 5 videos a day bro I’m feinding 🤣
Same😭I work overnights and watch this all night 😂
Missed opportunity to point out how the whole plot is based off the other characters moving on with their lives. They assume Michael was killed EVEN tho they never found the BODY!!! Lol
Am I the only one who loves Halloween 5?
Yes
It’s one of my favorites as well
I think Michael becoming more human is because he's connected to Jamie
I agree. When she touched him she got some of the evil, but then he got a small opening in which his humanity shows. Both of them aren’t that strong enough to completely change the character, but it’s still there along with each other’s sight.
I always thought that since Jamie touched his hand at the end of 4, she got some of the evil, but then he got a small opening in which his humanity shows. They each have moments in which they behave like the other. (Jamie stabbing her stepmom, and Michael tearing up.) Both of them aren’t that strong enough to completely change the character, but it’s still there along with each other’s sight. 🎃🖤
Hey Zac & Jimmy,
I saw a documentary that talked about how the H5 cops are an homage to the ones in Wes Craven’s The Last House on the Left-including the same carnival music.
Rachel’s death pissed me off more than any other death in this franchise. Tina wasn’t an innocent enough character to carry the movie. She did good considering what they gave her to work with. She couldn’t carry it how Rachel would’ve tho. I think the kills started too soon too considering the pace of the movie overall.
If u watch 616 entertainment's video you'll find out that the reason she's killed off is bc mr director man wanted his lead actress to be a brunette :) He's the worst director
What is the point of Rachel getting replaced by Tina by getting killed off -which did piss me off too, If she's gonna be killed off later on
I believe the blue suede shoes line is about the texture of the shoes themselves being easily noticeable or the shoes being clean making them easily noticeable. Either that or some type of dirt or material on suede that would make it easily noticeable. I think it’s funny how in the Halloween community this one comes up it’s confusing, every time I ever watched the scene I never questioned it and understood the context.
Back when Elvis was big, the parents believed Elvis shaking and dancing was of the devil and evil-hence blue suede shoes....
Halloween 5 is BONKERS. And the totally different “Myers House” will forever boggle my mind. But I 💯 would have appreciated more about Michael’s life in between the Halloweens… bonding with Tippi. She seemed cool
1:07 side note: look at her eyes, look familiar? yep, blood going down the eye spots, similar to Halloween 2
The best thing would be to miss the whole movie.
Agreed
Love your videos CZ!
I prefer a movie with a story so the fact that this movie stays on a film timeline i love it
I can understand Halloween 5 directors crush on Michael. He’s the strong silent type and brutal in the bedroom.
"But something tells me you don't..." lolol
That’s not really Jimmy Champagne. If he’s not from France, he’s just Jimmy Sparkling Wine
You thought wayyy to much on that river thing. The guy was a religious nut and the song he sang is a very popular church song lol they used to sing that same song at my grandmas church when I was a kid lol alot of churches in small towns in the country go to the river to baptize people in the water
11:00the dead dog barking got me😂😂
“You’re gay for mole man”
Mole man “no ones gay for mole man”
The simpsons
You can tell you’re mostly pre cell phone era. I screamed “I’m coming!” to the corded phone all the time 🤣
People used to yell “I’m coming” all the time when house phones would ring. Obviously everyone knows the person can’t hear you, but it happened…. A lot
this is the correct answer....
a horror history for la llorana would be AMAZING
One thing everyone misses is that Wynn Ƿ is a runic letter just like Thorn Þ.... Probably the seed was already planted....
Halloween 4: Michael gets unloaded on by the local posse. Halloween 5: not one bullet hole in his goddamn jumpsuit.
To me, call me crazy, the reason that the mask, at least with the hair, looks different is due to the exposure to the river water wetting up the hair alot while Michael was in it (For as short as he was) and because the mask was left in, more or less, outside conditions, it was left in the weird slicked back way. As for the actual latex... I dunno. XD
Also, the jump cut edit I can explain as originally when he fell on the ground, Mikey's body was twitch more before Michael pulled it away, but the MPAA actually forced them to take out a second or two of it, WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF THE SAME SHOT, hence the jump cut. I actually noticed alot of different little jump cuts within the same shots in the film, like when Jamie is looking for a place to hide in the Myers house.
I love Loomis’s transition in the series - trying to kill Micheal drove him insane. A monster created a monster.
the best moment for me would have been when he was killing the old man in the house and the way they really showed his psychotic side
Rachel (and everyone else really) shockingly forgiving of this child that stabbed her adoptive mother.
The Thorn trilogy also mirrors the Pink Panther trilogy in naming.
Return of, Revenge of, Curse of.
No return strikes and revenge not close but good try it’s not a trilogy thorn was brought up till part 5 so stop with this trilogy shot at lost it would be Jamie Lloyd trilogy
@@gkroll8467There is a Curse of the Pink Panther.
@@randycunningham7318 no shit
Thank you for posting part 5 ahh
I disagree with the “humanizing” of not ending them when he has the chance on purpose. Nothing is crueler than knowing you can and will end someone stalking them but it will be delayed letting that fester in your mind knowing you are on borrowed time. As the audience thats what I feel the directer was pulling at in that closet scene.
Like the idea that this psychopath is just one room away and WE know that but the character does not put me on edge because no matter what is filmed, we know just one room away is Micheal.
The jump cut during Mikey's death is due to it having to be cut down for the MPAA ratings, There is some other scenes that were omitted from the movie entirely such as the swat massacre & Jamie getting stabbed in the leg in the laundry chute.
7:27 Maybe Michael didn't kill them because it was day and Michael's routine is stalk by day and kill by night (mostly)
Alright gonna correct you on the skinny dipping issue lol at the party the dude hitting in Tina asked her to go skinny dipping at the hot spring, so that’s why she asked them to go haha
Michael digging up the copse of a girl was their explanation of why there's a Jamie sized coffin in the Myers attic.
It's the same as how Micheal did earlier. When she yelled Micheal and he stomped on breaks and yelled what lol.
Imagine a world where Halloween 4 dealt with Michael Meyers as a legend, and Jamie became the shape in a way where Michael stayed dead and Halloween 3 was pulled into the main story. And then Halloween 5 onward had a different shape each movie ala Doctor Who, starting with grown up murder!Jamie
I mean. We could've had Hereditary years eatlier
Stayed dead and hellowen 3 pulled into the main story. And then hellowen 5 onward ala doctor grown up murder! Jamie
halloween 4 and 5 were my favorites strictly because of rachel lol. that and there’s a lot more depth with him and jaime because she knows from the start what michael’s plan is while laurie doesnt know until it is almost too late. and the next movie explains the human aspect of michael so thats perfectly fine by me. actually the rob zombie ones are my favorite but thats a different franchise in my eyes.
I enjoy watching Gen Zers try to explain movies that were made 20 years before they even were born
As a son of an old man that uses old analogies way too often "... as clear as breasts and blue suede shoes ..." is a southern saying meant to mean that something is standing out or being an object of immediate attention, ie; in a poor town blue suede shoes would have been a rare sight so you're more likely to notice them, and likewise the breast part of the saying I'm assuming you probably understand, they both stick out, albeit in different ways.
6:01 to be fair ive done the same thing even though i know they cant hear me, its more that im talking to myself.
Rachel yelling “I’m coming” at the phone, many people myself included did that and still do. The 9 year olds coffin is in the attic, do believe its mentioned to the cops about it being dug up.
I just started watching your content and my favourite videos are the SAW videos. After the Halloween franchise I want you to do a horror history of the sadistic sawyer family
I actually like Halloween 5 a lot! One ov my favorites in the franchise 🤘🏽🤘🏽
5:58 I do that all the time, I thought everyone did...
Same.
7:45
Michael driving?! When did he get his license? lmao
Honestly, I agree with the idea that someone else taking up the mask after the Michael's death; would've really been a cool idea.
To start the movie off like the rest, and reveal early on or in the mid that it isn't Michael, but not say who until the next movie or the end of it, would be a cool thing (imo).
The whole “mute” thing has less to do with making a connection between her and Michael and more about them not wanting to pay the actress that plays Jamie. They literally switch up everything and humanize him as a consequence of being cheapskates, rather then some artistically motivated direction 🤦♂️
Halloween 5 will always be special to me because it was the first one I ever saw when I was six years old
I honestly don't think I've ever seen this one, or it's just not worth remembering
I wasn't expecting this crossover,but I enjoyed it.
This is where Dr. Samuel Loomis finally fully evolved into his final form of Looney Loomis.
The H4 mask did not fit Don Shanks, plus there were allot of complaints about how generic that H4mask looked, so they went a different direction. That became a problem that would dog the franchise in just about every subsequent film.
I couldn't believe there was an APB on Myers. Yet Michael is able to kill in broad daylight.
2:45 Apparently they were going to use the H4 mask but it didn’t fit Don Shanks’ face so they made a new one
To be honest, I remember me and my family saying that whenever a call came on the old landline.
@8:48 you state that Dr. Loomis says that Michael dug up the grave of a 9 year old girl and you wrongfully assumed he made it up- You can clearly see the little girl's coffin from said grave in the film when Jamie goes upstairs to the attic and sees the candlelight alter Michael made her and she actually climbs into that coffin and tries to touch Michael's face to get him to see reason that she's his niece, a child, and convince him that he should not hurt her. It's very obvious that Michael in fact did dig up a child's grave at the cemetery. We didn't need to see it done in the film to know it indeed happened. Just like we didn't see Michael physically dig up Judith's grave in the original 1978 movie, but we see her headstone later in the film and know what he did.
Love the Talking Heads reference...although ironic when 2 heads are mute. 🤣
The gather at the river could have been a few scenes behind where the Ambulance was where michael escaped.