Pikmin 1+2 Switch HD vs GameCube Originals - Is it Enough of An Upgrade?

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  • čas přidán 21. 07. 2023
  • The complete tech breakdown of the HD Pikmin 1+2 re-releases on Nintendo Switch. Over 20 years on from the first game's appearance on GameCube, this HD collection gives us a moment to reflect on the legacy - and technology - of an under-appreciated series. Tom takes a look at the triumphs and pitfalls of the Switch release.
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  • @Spindash54
    @Spindash54 Před 11 měsíci +486

    My only issue with the ports is that various HUD/UI elements are stretched to more fill out the widescreen screen space, a negative holdover from the Wii ports that sadly wasn’t rectified.

    • @FreediiFree
      @FreediiFree Před 11 měsíci +20

      I thought I noticed that with the time of day part of the UI :/

    • @Lishtenbird
      @Lishtenbird Před 11 měsíci +37

      And the AI upscaling on UI is... disgusting. They couldn't be bothered to remake the two-three dozen basic images that you'll always see on your screen?

    • @Glotttis
      @Glotttis Před 11 měsíci +36

      I don't think it's so simple. At 9:12 you can see game running on PC emulator and UI stretch looks different than the Switch version. Actually, UI bubbles in Switch version look the most correct. In GC version they are vertically stretched and on PC emulator they are horizontally stretched. In other words, looks like UI for Switch received some special care and it's not just simple 4:3 to 16:9 stretching.

    • @kurikuraconkuritas
      @kurikuraconkuritas Před 11 měsíci +4

      That is not true. The circle for the pikmin type and the world map are perfectly round, which means that the hud is not stretch at all

    • @Spindash54
      @Spindash54 Před 11 měsíci +8

      @@kurikuraconkuritas Those are fine, but others like the Pikmin count are stretched compared to GameCube. Some elements are unchanged though.

  • @AmicusRyelei
    @AmicusRyelei Před 11 měsíci +80

    i know it's unfair but those modded up-scaled textures on dolphin really don't work for me. the real crime is that they had to drop all the product placement from the gamecube versions.

    • @johnpinky8
      @johnpinky8 Před 11 měsíci +28

      I was thinking the same thing. While much higher quality, they completely change the style of the textures and it looks like a weird early unreal engine 4 demo or something.

    • @rcflight13
      @rcflight13 Před 11 měsíci +23

      Yeah some fan projects mess too much with the original vision and colour temperature. Having a consistent art style that fits the original vision with slightly higher resolution is always preferable to detail for the sake of detail. Nerrel on YT really understands this when explaining his own fan retexture of Majora's Mask.

    • @netako
      @netako Před 11 měsíci +1

      The Wii version already removed the product placement so nothing new here.

    • @TheSalamanderMenace4
      @TheSalamanderMenace4 Před 11 měsíci +12

      @@netako Wii version had them, Switch doesn't.

    • @netako
      @netako Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@TheSalamanderMenace4 I'm an idiot, my bad.

  • @flameguy21
    @flameguy21 Před 11 měsíci +44

    "Super Mario Bros. Melee"
    My parents called it that, too lol.

    • @JordanHJ
      @JordanHJ Před 11 měsíci +5

      Lol I noticed that and it reminded me of arguments at school with friends who swore it was called Super Mario Smash Bros

    • @Mene0
      @Mene0 Před 11 měsíci +1

      whoops haha

  • @retrogamer64007
    @retrogamer64007 Před 11 měsíci +168

    My only complaint is the removal the duracell and other product placement items to generic ones. But I guess that’s licensing issues as always is.

    • @carlodavies9227
      @carlodavies9227 Před 11 měsíci +54

      Let’s be honest, getting al those licenses back would be a titanic effort just for a port of a GameCube game

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 Před 11 měsíci +45

      I too am an insane person who prefers more ads in products I already paid good money for.
      Nah but seriously, removal of product placement is a GOOD thing. Product placement never should have been in the game to begin with.

    • @zenodezeno454
      @zenodezeno454 Před 11 měsíci +6

      @@mjc0961ayo 😂

    • @carlodavies9227
      @carlodavies9227 Před 11 měsíci +80

      @@mjc0961 No because it further immerses you into the games post apocalyptic earth setting, the game loses something without the real world product placement

    • @StJimmy765
      @StJimmy765 Před 11 měsíci +56

      @@mjc0961
      The product placement in the originals wasn’t used for funding/profit purposes like it usually is. This was to make it seem like the setting is a remnant of our actual world

  • @HellfireComms
    @HellfireComms Před 11 měsíci +61

    I had a pretty good time with these ports. The only weirdness I ran into, thankfully, was some sound issues in the first game where certain sound effects seemed very soft and far away.

  • @gellister
    @gellister Před 11 měsíci +140

    Nintendo has made a proprietary emulator (this means that they consider this a worthwhile investment that they spent the time making a reuseable software "machine" for these games).
    I do find it fascinating that they chose to separate the graphics into emulation (which apparently the shader tech on Gamecube is remarkably complex according to many sources on this site so I imagine it was best to make an emulator than try to make all that work natively with new code) and the CPU processes to be native, I have never heard of that before. Pretty cool stuff. This insinuates that they are eying their Gamecube and Wii libraries. I imagine if a games like Pikmin 1 and 2 sell well, we can expect a lot more of these gamecube games and possibly even Wii (due to their chipset similarity). I am for it.

    • @mikeclark4480
      @mikeclark4480 Před 11 měsíci +13

      I so want this to be a thing.

    • @caviar_dreamz
      @caviar_dreamz Před 11 měsíci +16

      Punch Out was ported to the Shield so Wii games are on the table if Nintendo cares enough.

    • @TestTypeG
      @TestTypeG Před 11 měsíci +26

      They took the exact same approach with Mario Galaxy on Switch, CPU instructions native but graphics emulated. Not sure about Mario Sunshine.

    • @guily6669
      @guily6669 Před 11 měsíci +20

      I totally don't care cause paying 50eur for just a few MB of some 20 year old ROM...
      Specially when you can just download it and run on other emulator with upgraded textures+AA and whatever on your phone, PC, modded consoles...
      50eur for a remaster must be a complete remaster.
      Ps: I like a proper remaster when it's well done but nothing is anywhere close than a true good proper remake.

    • @alibabaschultz352
      @alibabaschultz352 Před 11 měsíci +12

      @@guily6669Great works of art should never be remade, unless it's absolutely necessary.

  • @Zinkolo
    @Zinkolo Před 11 měsíci +33

    The biggest issue with these ports is that they ruined the motion controls for the sake of matching them with the equally worse motion controls of Pikmin 4.
    You can't aim your cursor independent of the character movement direction and you can aim it at all times meaning you have to hold 'A' and avoid moving if you don't want it to go off in the wrong direction.

  • @retromuel
    @retromuel Před 11 měsíci +101

    Weird that some elements on the new HUD still appear to be stretched while others are fine? The numbers on the lower right hand side particularly look very much like 4:3 stretched out to 16:9.

    • @Spindash54
      @Spindash54 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Unfortunate holdover from the Wii port.

    • @retromuel
      @retromuel Před 11 měsíci +2

      ​​​​@@Spindash54 Ah okay. Thanks. I'm surprised he didn't pick up on this - it really stands out to me. It makes total sense that this is based on the Wii port rather than the original. Also there's no way that's AI upscaling on those videos. It's far too clean.

    • @West-for-Whites_NonWhites-Out
      @West-for-Whites_NonWhites-Out Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@retromuelit’s deliberate shilling for sponsorship and free games, they do subtle stuff like this and ignore problems constantly, and have done it for years

  • @hakimmika2379
    @hakimmika2379 Před 11 měsíci +15

    We need a port of Eternal Darkness, Skies of Arcadia Legends, F-Zero GX and the Phantasy star Online games.

  • @omegawii
    @omegawii Před 11 měsíci +12

    Tom maybe the game's logic is tied to the frame rate. I remember back on the Gamecube on the final boss, it is possible to drop the frame rate if you explode a bunch of bomb rocks but doing so would slow down the game.

  • @ErenTheWarcriminal
    @ErenTheWarcriminal Před 11 měsíci +2

    I was waiting for this video thank you ❤❤❤

  • @Nu_Merick
    @Nu_Merick Před 11 měsíci +3

    every time he said "these titles 20 years ago" i die on the inside a little :'))

  • @fnsonicrick
    @fnsonicrick Před 11 měsíci +6

    FZero GX HD would be a guarantee purchase from me. That game in 1080p would be excellent.

  • @wausjackbauer128
    @wausjackbauer128 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thank you for making this video. Could've been shorter and less work for you guys but thanks again

  • @Lapran3
    @Lapran3 Před 11 měsíci +55

    The fact that Nintendo has ported each and every previous mainline game in the franchise to the next system shows just how much the devs, and especially Miyamoto treasure this series

    • @solocamo3654
      @solocamo3654 Před 11 měsíci +35

      You mean treasure the money it makes them when suckers keep buying the same game on each system with minimal improvements?

    • @beefomuffin1049
      @beefomuffin1049 Před 11 měsíci +9

      @@solocamo3654to be fair miyamoto keeps forcing pikmin back into the spotlight since it’s his own thing, so in one way or another it is a kind of dedication he keeps pushing for pikmin instead of older more infamous games like Mario galaxy 2 or Zelda twilight princess

    • @Playerz714
      @Playerz714 Před 11 měsíci +12

      Treasure? Nintendo is just the same thing of charging again & again

    • @gtamike_TSGK
      @gtamike_TSGK Před 11 měsíci +13

      They threaten their fans recording their games issue in takedowns and strikes a lovely company

    • @alyxoj1361
      @alyxoj1361 Před 11 měsíci +11

      Wow such such respect and devotion for their treasured franchises to release a bare-bones, half-emulated port and charging us $40.

  • @treeface2128
    @treeface2128 Před 11 měsíci +14

    Kinda figured they just threw it in an emulator. Aside from it being the obvious easy way to go, the file sizes for these are still 1GB, same as the Gamecube versions. If it weren't for the price, I might've picked these up. You can get them both physically from Play Asia for cheaper as long as you get the Asian version. The Dolphin emulation results are where the bar should be set though I believe.

    • @yellowblanka6058
      @yellowblanka6058 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Though to be fair, the Switch is using an old ARM CPU at ~1 Ghz so it really has little/no hope of running full Dolphin at anything close to playable speed, which is probably why they went for the emulate the GPU code/port the CPU code approach here, to ease the burden on the CPU.

    • @SessleIsosceles
      @SessleIsosceles Před 10 měsíci

      Great call on the playasia pricing, had some coins to use towards the checkout cost too !

  • @LXIVGOLD
    @LXIVGOLD Před 11 měsíci +15

    Pikmin is such an amazing Sleeper franchise, Pikmin 4 is so good. I can't wait to pick up the full game. I went crazy in the demo and got over 8hrs of gameplay out of it.

    • @darthwiizius
      @darthwiizius Před 10 měsíci +1

      I originally bought my Gamecube for Pikmin, having got it I realised Pikmin is to gamers what crack is to junkies.

  • @parski
    @parski Před 11 měsíci +5

    The 60 fps mods in Dolphin completely break the games so it's not really an option.

  • @theshinken
    @theshinken Před 11 měsíci +8

    What I would like to know is how it holds up with the Wii version. Can you use Joy-Cons like the Wiimote and is it as accurate or maybe even better?

  • @HenrikoMagnifico
    @HenrikoMagnifico Před 11 měsíci +3

    I never thought I'd hear my name in a DF video but here we are! 😅

  • @tolbuv4951
    @tolbuv4951 Před 11 měsíci +78

    Absolute mastery of doing the bare minimum on display

    • @GaminylGames
      @GaminylGames Před 11 měsíci +12

      Nah they went above and beyond, in a way. They're not arbitrarily pulling it from stores a couple months after release and they left the camera controls alone ❤️ Thank you Bowser

    • @octoinlove888
      @octoinlove888 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@GaminylGamesthe camera controls are bad though? quite different from how it was originally and affects the swarm controls, a very important mechanic. I don’t really see how that’s a plus even if I don’t inherently disagree with your points

    • @GaminylGames
      @GaminylGames Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@octoinlove888I was just roasting Mario 3D All Stars lol
      Didn't know they actually changed the controls here too. Amazing

    • @razorbackroar
      @razorbackroar Před 10 měsíci

      lololol

    • @BMW-sd6nn
      @BMW-sd6nn Před 10 měsíci +1

      I mean considering the series never sells well, this is an awesome release for us fans considering I never thought it'd happen.

  • @otakusuperior
    @otakusuperior Před 11 měsíci +2

    So glad someone else remembers F-Zero GX exists.

  • @AntiBellum
    @AntiBellum Před 11 měsíci +7

    I’d like to see a comparison of these two versions and the 4K texture pack for Dolphin

  • @jcnba28
    @jcnba28 Před 11 měsíci +12

    Such an underrated series. If you're interested but haven't played these games yet you're doing yourself a disservice.

    • @guily6669
      @guily6669 Před 11 měsíci

      Can't say I like it a single bit, PS1 was also full of similar generic games...
      Old C&C and many others were more my kind of game. And PS1 there was also some that we could control the vehicles or command them in strategy and they were amazing.

    • @GaminylGames
      @GaminylGames Před 11 měsíci +2

      ​​​@@guily6669man I've played Pikmin 1 before but that's it... hardly a fan but I gotta say though - rough take. This is nothing like a Command and Conquer game and is honestly unlike anything else. As much as I've never gotten into this series Ive always been intrigued by it's creative gameplay mechanics and weirdness.
      I'm just saying if you go into it expecting it to be C&C you're gonna be disappointed

  • @lukemoonwalker8444
    @lukemoonwalker8444 Před 11 měsíci +11

    FYI in the most recent Ask the developers Miyamoto debunked the Mario 128 turning into Pikmin rumor the team did see the demo, and they acknowledged it was showing the technology was there to make Pikmin work, but the tech demo was only that, a demo, it didn't evolve into Pikmin.

    • @GaminylGames
      @GaminylGames Před 11 měsíci

      Almost 100% sure this was mentioned in a DF Direct a while back lol common mistake though

    • @lukemoonwalker8444
      @lukemoonwalker8444 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@GaminylGames I mean it was the general consensus probably based on some Nintendo Power interview up until like 3 days ago lol

    • @thanksbetotap
      @thanksbetotap Před 11 měsíci

      Yep. It had almost nothing to do with Pikmin.

  • @ShadowRaptor1O1
    @ShadowRaptor1O1 Před 11 měsíci +41

    It's cool that you can now take the entire series with you anywhere, but I'm deeply disappointed that all they did was take the Wii ports and make them 1080p 16:9....and still locked at 30fps
    They had a well over a decade to remaster these games and took the lazy route inside. And now, we're likely NEVER going to get remasters because of these "HD versions"

    • @yellowblanka6058
      @yellowblanka6058 Před 11 měsíci +8

      And you know plenty of people bought this anyway - just like Pokemon. Nintendo knows they can phone it in and people with nostalgia for certain IP will purchase anyway as long as it's bare-minimum functional. I think Nintendo is least consumer-hostile/puts in the most effort when they're financially on the ropes. But hell, I'd give them a break if this collection was $20-30, but asking $50 for this is the peak of greed. They basically just tweaked their emulation solution from Sunshine/Galaxy on the Switch, rescaled some UI elements and processed some videos and called it a day. It's especially egregious considering how good MP Remastered is and that's $10 cheaper!

    • @DE23
      @DE23 Před 11 měsíci +2

      The Wii ports were already 16:9

    • @omegawii
      @omegawii Před 11 měsíci

      The game's logic is most likely tied to the frame rate... so you can't increase the frame rate without speeding up the game.

    • @BassLiberators
      @BassLiberators Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@omegawii Apparently that's not true because this video shows emulators running that game at 60fps.

    • @ShadowRaptor1O1
      @ShadowRaptor1O1 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @omegawii yes...that's why they should've remastered the games with the 10+ years they had instead of 2 lazy ports

  • @mattlandry
    @mattlandry Před 11 měsíci +4

    Damn AI upscaling FMVs is getting pretty good

  • @gamerxt333
    @gamerxt333 Před 11 měsíci +11

    Wonder if they use per-pixel lighting like you can with Dolphin.

    • @razorbackroar
      @razorbackroar Před 10 měsíci +1

      i turned it on. didn’t notice anythingdiffrent

  • @leonro
    @leonro Před 11 měsíci +25

    These re-releases feel a tad bit overpriced, especially given that Wii games were released digitally on the Wii U at 20€ each, with a 50% discount on the first three releases for a small while.

    • @TheSalamanderMenace4
      @TheSalamanderMenace4 Před 11 měsíci +6

      Well, those rereleases don't technically exist anymore, and there's money to be made :P

    • @mydogeatspuke
      @mydogeatspuke Před 11 měsíci

      And how does inflation factor into your "bit overpriced" assertion? Money is worth less than it used to be, so obviously companies will ask for more now than they did then for largely the same product.

    • @leonro
      @leonro Před 11 měsíci +15

      @@mydogeatspuke Man, did you just learn of inflation last week or something? That's not how it works. Salaries haven't increased at the same rate, and entertainment prices are purely dependent on what the common people can afford. On the opposite side, house prices have increased way beyond inflation.
      Furthermore, according to inflation, the $60 Super Mario Bros. would be worth about $170 today, but even Nintendo has never sold it for that high. Older pieces of entertainment generally become cheaper over time, especially if no improvements are made - this has been an unspoken rule in not only gaming, but movies and music too. Just look at steam sales.
      If Wii games were worth 20€ on Wii U, then they'd be worth 15€ at most on Switch. 20€ would still be alright because I think the Wii prices on Wii U were pretty good, but 25€ (more than before!) is pushing it.

    • @thickie-d
      @thickie-d Před 11 měsíci +2

      Ninflation

    • @mydogeatspuke
      @mydogeatspuke Před 11 měsíci

      @@leonro yes, everything everywhere is more expensive but that's not how video game pricing works. You're so right.

  • @matslarsson5988
    @matslarsson5988 Před 10 měsíci

    Dropzone is one of those games that I loaded up for the first time without knowing anything about it and being completely blown away. A true classic of you ask me.

  • @GreyWolfLeaderTW
    @GreyWolfLeaderTW Před 10 měsíci +1

    In ye olden days of the GameCube and Wii era, it was just one Nintendo of America Software Technology employee who invented a N64 emulator for the GameCube in his spare time that gave us some awesome ports of N64 games on that system and its successor, particularly The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest, The Legend of Zelda Collector's Edition, and all of the N64 games available on the Wii's Virtual Console.
    When that employee left Nintendo just before the start of the WiiU era, they found themselves in a pickle, realizing that they hadn't bothered to think ahead to having a dedicated N64 or beyond emulation support team and infrastructure. That's one of the reasons why the WiiU had issues with emulation, they had to port over or build from the ground up a N64-emulator engine and build a team with continuity who could support it.

  • @Resuarus
    @Resuarus Před 11 měsíci +4

    Very disappointing that they just drop emulated versions of these games for $30 a piece but release a fully, lovingly remastered version of Metroid Prime for $40. Every time you think Nintendo is going to start doing things a better way, you realize it was just a one-off.

    • @vanderquakSP
      @vanderquakSP Před 11 měsíci

      Oh, boo hoo. Let me play a sad song on the world’s smallest violin.

    • @Resuarus
      @Resuarus Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@vanderquakSP Uh okay? I guess Nintendo is above criticism for you because you love Pikmin so much? Y'know, it's okay to criticize a multi-billion dollar corporation when they put out a lazy product and charge full price for it. This is not a slight against Pikmin, it's a legitimate criticism of Nintendo's business practices.

  • @LeafRazorStorm
    @LeafRazorStorm Před 11 měsíci +7

    My only two downsides:
    1) The music being out-of-tune on several occasions, wavering like an old VHS tape
    2) The original staff going completely uncredited. Not even Shigeru Miyamoto is in the staff roll.

  • @TechThusiast
    @TechThusiast Před 11 měsíci +1

    @10:07 Super Mario Brothers Melee 😂

  • @samuxan
    @samuxan Před 11 měsíci +4

    This just seems like an upscale version of the Wii port. The best of those games was the improved controls but I haven't seen anyone yet mentioning if motion control is an option on this release(or pikmin 4 for that matter)

    • @dun0790
      @dun0790 Před 10 měsíci

      Pikmin 4 yes for moving the cursor around not sure about others

  • @carlodavies9227
    @carlodavies9227 Před 11 měsíci +5

    10:07 Whoops.

  • @keaton718
    @keaton718 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I kinda like the softer look of standard definition, I feel like the graphics were made with it in mind even.

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 Před 10 měsíci

      A CRT gives a depth of field effect with that resolution.

  • @FreediiFree
    @FreediiFree Před 11 měsíci +20

    I'm happy that it is at least an authentic-to-the-original-experience release, even if it could have used some new textures and 60 fps (although changing character models and in-game cinematics to 60 fps too would be some work). it's probably a little expensive at $50 all things considered. But it is two games recreated very cleanly by the looks of it. I'm excited to get the physical copy on the 22nd of September

    • @Deliveredmean42
      @Deliveredmean42 Před 11 měsíci +10

      Hold up, 50 dollars for a GameCube and wii game that are basically emulated instead of a direct port? Dang Nintendo, you and your weird standard.

    • @jdudbdjxb7687
      @jdudbdjxb7687 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Honestly, I'm just gonna stick to my modded wii with the OG installed, but I do kinda want to add a pikmin 1+2 switch case to my pikmin 3 and 4 cases now. For some reason, I'm betting it'll be bland as hell and not worth getting

    • @FreediiFree
      @FreediiFree Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Deliveredmean42 gotta invest as little time as possible for a profit, ya know :/

    • @FreediiFree
      @FreediiFree Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@jdudbdjxb7687 mood. having the cases of all 4 games is just something my monkey brain wants. after I 100% the Pikmin 1 and 2 games on Switch, I might just go back to the emulator on my PC in the future whenever I want to play through them again

    • @jesusbarrera6916
      @jesusbarrera6916 Před 11 měsíci +10

      @@Deliveredmean42 Nintendo fans have the lowest standards in the industry...

  • @mayen67
    @mayen67 Před 11 měsíci

    tried the pikmin 4 demo, first time playing a pikmin game, really fun, good game and concept.

  • @Oxymoron32GB
    @Oxymoron32GB Před 11 měsíci +1

    What’s the control scheme if you play with gamecube controller? Is it exactly the same as the original games or have there been changes made.

    • @hollowowlyt
      @hollowowlyt Před 10 měsíci +1

      Since some buttons have been changed your missing some things. It’s “playable” but better with a pro controller.

  • @rcadenow7543
    @rcadenow7543 Před 11 měsíci +5

    And the winner is : Dolphin emulator!

  • @nielsderijk
    @nielsderijk Před 11 měsíci

    I was expecting a Pikmin 4 analysis during launch weekend, not this (these remasters were released a month ago). Is a Pikmin 4 video still coming?

  • @TheHylianGuard
    @TheHylianGuard Před 11 měsíci +3

    I still think that the Wii version is the superior versions of these games; thanks to the full use of pointer aiming (rather than the gyro only enabling when a button is held down in the switch version), and the product placements I feel adding to the game's atmosphere in an amusing way. There's something quite entertaining about the treasures collected being real world products such as duracell batteries and 7-up bottle caps.

  • @kookamungax
    @kookamungax Před 10 měsíci +1

    hoping we get a video on pikmin 4 !

  • @NotOrdinaryInGames
    @NotOrdinaryInGames Před 11 měsíci +1

    They (Nintendo) should use this technology to re-release Last Story on the Switch. Since this is Wii, no texture replacement would be necessary, those are already good.

  • @gebi151
    @gebi151 Před 11 měsíci +6

    10:07 i love super mario bros melee

  • @strangevision99
    @strangevision99 Před 11 měsíci +17

    I'm happy to have the original textures. I like it when games are very faithful.

    • @robbyjvc
      @robbyjvc Před 11 měsíci +7

      I don't like how the treasures in pikmin 2 don't have the original textures. Though there is a mod to restore the textures

    • @strangevision99
      @strangevision99 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @robbyjvc I haven't played it yet, but that's a shame. I've just seen comments saying that licenced products have been replaced, which is understandable but a bit disappointing.

    • @nickmotsarsky4382
      @nickmotsarsky4382 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Then you should be happy to play it at a blurry 480i as well, since that would be faithful to the original..

    • @strangevision99
      @strangevision99 Před 11 měsíci

      @@nickmotsarsky4382 Very clever, I would play that on a CRT for sure, or on my Gamecube on a larger TV. One minor compromise is appreciated for modern displays, a resolution boost. Otherwise, the textures, models etc are fine.

    • @choopoopoo
      @choopoopoo Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@strangevision99loser

  • @markjacobs1086
    @markjacobs1086 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Oh man, I forgot all about this little gem. I think it's been at least 15 years since I played pikmin 1&2.
    It was quite a gorgeous looking game though (great art direction).

  • @Frostycrypton
    @Frostycrypton Před 11 měsíci +6

    Nintendo seems to have an aversion to anti-aliasing. I wonder why that is?

    • @mr_m4613
      @mr_m4613 Před 11 měsíci

      Because the gameplay and fun factor is far more important.

    • @blitzerblazinoah6838
      @blitzerblazinoah6838 Před 11 měsíci +7

      I can only imagine that it's down to either concerns about game performance or people always moaning about "anti-aliasing" on the N64.

    • @SnowyNowak
      @SnowyNowak Před 11 měsíci +1

      Anti-aliasing has a performance impact

  • @MetalJody1990
    @MetalJody1990 Před 11 měsíci +7

    This basic treatment would be really appreciated for all of Nintendo's other GC titles. HD resolution, true 16:9 aspect ratio, anisotropic filtering, and a clearer UI are enough upgrades for the Switch. In a way, it kind of is a remaster. Not all remasters need HD textures. The HD-ness automatically makes the textures look improved, especially at long distances. Nintendo has done a lot of sh**, but I'm proud of them for doing this. A "barebones" upgrade for, say, F-Zero GX would look fantastic on Switch. I've already seen it in Dolphin. IT HOLDS UP

    • @3dmarth
      @3dmarth Před 11 měsíci

      Yeah, F-Zero GX already looks fantastic in 1080p, as it already has crisp textures, 60fps, and widescreen.
      (I guess it could use some tweaks around draw distance and background details, but that's pretty minor.)
      Games like Mario Kart: Double Dash, Smash Bros. Melee, and Eternal Darkness arguably don't hold up quite as well, but they also run very smoothly already.
      But when Pikmin, a game with a low framerate and fairly blurry textures, gets this absolutely bare minimum treatment, it's harder to look favourably on that.

  • @Sword420
    @Sword420 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I wish PlayStation would release an official emulator for PS2/PS3 disc use on PS5. I'd be willing to bet that there's a ton of PlayStation fans out there that wish they could play their existing PS2/PS3 collections on PS5. I don't even have a PS5 but that sounds like a dream feature to me over having to repurchase digital versions of games we already own. I have a laptop with an i7 6700HQ, 16gb of ram, and a 6gb GTX 1060 and even it's capable of emulating an impressive amount of PS3 games using RPCS3. The PS5 is definitely capable of far more.

  • @HackoDis
    @HackoDis Před 6 měsíci

    If you read the Patents about the Machine learning upscaler, they talk about it being used in game. They even mention about finding ways to control latency issues. They even mention that if this upscaler had tensor cores then there would almost 0 latency. It's an interesting read about how they did it. I recommend it, I wouldn't call this bare bones, someone had to make the emulator work with the game, someone had to design the upscaler. There was effort put into this game to modernize it, but not spend the whole budget on a complete remake.

  • @nickk3077
    @nickk3077 Před 11 měsíci +3

    I wish these games got a remake. They deserve to be remade. I mean it's cool that newcomers can play these games, but as is, there is no reason a veteran player like me should get this. I would love to play them portably, but it is not worth $50!

  • @eathenalexander2836
    @eathenalexander2836 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Doesn’t anyone know if the physical copy of 1&2 for switch has the entire games on the cartridge?

  • @robinmattheussen2395
    @robinmattheussen2395 Před 4 měsíci +1

    These ports are totally fine, if the price is right. Unfortunately, this is Nintendo we're dealing with, so the price is of course completely insulting. 50$ for two 20-year old emulated games with barely anything done to it is insane. The production costs of this package are probably incredibly low.
    Looking at a game like Metroid Prime Remastered, the price was definitely off on that one as well. But at the very least you got a very high quality and polished product in return. This package instead feels like someone at Nintendo farted it out in an afternoon and called it a day. 50$ please! (And it's actually 50 Euro over where I live...)

  • @shinobi13
    @shinobi13 Před 11 měsíci

    "Super Mario Brothers. Melee"
    Man, some part of me doesn't think we actually knows better lol.

  • @JuanRodriguez-uv2ur
    @JuanRodriguez-uv2ur Před 10 měsíci

    Hello, are you going to do a video about Pikmin 4? It looks impressive and would love if you guys give it your two cents about it...

  • @KoolMB
    @KoolMB Před 11 měsíci +1

    wish we got a true remaster with updated textures and 60fps!

  • @fivejedis
    @fivejedis Před 11 měsíci +1

    If Nintendo planned on bringing Pikmin 1+2 to Switch I wish they would've outsourced it to another company to at least fix some of the bugs and issues to make it look better. This feels like a rushjob, something they probably decided to do very late. I'm glad it's on Switch, don't get me wrong but as unfortunate as it is to say, this is how they shouldn't go about GameCube ports. I hope they learn from this hiccup and if more GameCube games are planned to be brought over they give them a little more work and elbow grease.

  • @jerrysmart5010
    @jerrysmart5010 Před 11 měsíci +2

    My genuine issue is I'd have liked some QOL changes. Pikmin 1 specially can be a nightmare sometimes cuz the Pikmin spread out too much so when ur going over a bridge, super easy for them to fall off and it's mega frustrating. I don't really mind the visuals, but when you play these and then Pikmin 4, huge difference in the friendliness of the game and that's a good thing for the newer games, just would've like them QOL changes made in 1 and 2

    • @RetroBreak
      @RetroBreak Před 11 měsíci +2

      Can’t you use the C stick to get the Pikmin to walk in a line or closer to you in this re release?

    • @ivanramos1809
      @ivanramos1809 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@RetroBreakyea

    • @RetroBreak
      @RetroBreak Před 11 měsíci

      @@ivanramos1809 that’s ok then! I was worried after seeing this comment, and the video didn’t show any time that they actually controlled the Pikmin either..

    • @jerrysmart5010
      @jerrysmart5010 Před 11 měsíci

      @@RetroBreak Oh no you can do that, but it's a bit fiddly and I still end up having moments where they get stuck. I just find the newer games do it much better because specially in Pikmin 3 they just bundle together and do it in a really slim line so it's happens little to none.

  • @RegalPixelKing
    @RegalPixelKing Před 11 měsíci +2

    I find these ports to be pretty disappointing. They are good enough for what they are, but they could have been and should have been so much better.
    The GameCube originals emulated on Dolphin with a widescreen 16:9 and 60fps cheats enabled, with the internal resolution of 4k, with Henriko's 4k texture pack is by far the definitive way to play these games in almost every way. The only downside to playing on Dolphin with these upgrades is the setup, and the 480p cutscenes.

  • @rushiosan
    @rushiosan Před 11 měsíci +2

    Glad they didn't touch the original textures. That's my biggest issue in Halo MC Collection and something hard to overlook because it simply isn't the same game anymore.

    • @bigcade554
      @bigcade554 Před 11 měsíci

      too many "remasters" change too much and become more like remakes really. What they did with Metroid, Crash and Spyro is great, but they're hardly remasters when they look so radically different.

    • @EikeKusch776
      @EikeKusch776 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Pikmin 1 + 2 are close to remasters with the English localization altering the dialogue.

    • @Tephnos
      @Tephnos Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@EikeKusch776 Why the hell did they need to re-localise it?

    • @EikeKusch776
      @EikeKusch776 Před 11 měsíci

      @Tephnos They literally couldn't help theirselves. Some humor of the originals may be deemed too much for the sensitive I suppose. As for me, wrongly translating the content and dialogue is a no buy as always.
      P.S. As far as I'm aware, only the English versions are affected. That's quite telling.

    • @Tephnos
      @Tephnos Před 11 měsíci

      @@EikeKusch776 I know they changed the names and descriptions of the husband/wife treasures. Did they change in-game dialogue as well?

  • @thanksbetotap
    @thanksbetotap Před 11 měsíci +2

    Meanwhile… did anyone ever figure out why Pikmin 3 Deluxe on Switch only runs at 720p?

  • @reyesj456
    @reyesj456 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Did he just said Super Mario Bros. Melee @10:07
    Wow wish he wasn't dared to say it then.

  • @DouglasLambert
    @DouglasLambert Před 11 měsíci +1

    I think you meant Super SMASH Brothers Melee at 10:07

  • @nuclearbeeberman
    @nuclearbeeberman Před 11 měsíci

    great you make a video about Pikmin. they cannot be enough attention on it

  • @XDLugia
    @XDLugia Před 10 měsíci

    I wish you would have included a basic comparison with the Wii version that many of us played over the GameCube version.
    Still a great video though.

  • @videogameobsession
    @videogameobsession Před 11 měsíci +2

    Is there a physical release for Pikmin 1 + 2 HD?

    • @videogameobsession
      @videogameobsession Před 11 měsíci +3

      I see that there is (answering my own question). Google you idiot (calling myself an idiot). It's $49.99 for the USA MSRP, and will be released on September 22, 2023. Just in case anyone is wondering.

  • @gramel7028
    @gramel7028 Před 7 měsíci

    Good video.

  • @ytjaymz-x
    @ytjaymz-x Před 10 měsíci

    9:25 so.. what’s up with the glitching shadow there?

  • @BasedSakurai2024
    @BasedSakurai2024 Před 11 měsíci +1

    My man really said "Super Mario Bros. Melee"... 10:06

  • @ZebraScout
    @ZebraScout Před 11 měsíci +6

    Imma keep it 💯 with you all, the GameCube versions will always slap harder, but being able to keep my discs in good condition and being able to take it with me places will always take priority

    • @jlcdavenport6268
      @jlcdavenport6268 Před 11 měsíci +4

      "and being able to take it with me places will always take priority" Uh bro, the Gamecube has a carrying handle!

  • @s0lid_sno0ks
    @s0lid_sno0ks Před 10 měsíci +2

    finally a switch game running in 1080p lmao

  • @satan7481
    @satan7481 Před 10 měsíci

    Yeah imma just emulate the GameCube version... I barely see a difference when I upscaled it and I can add 60fps and remove the motion blur too. I can also add an hd texture that reworks all textures in game

  • @WreckItRolfe
    @WreckItRolfe Před 11 měsíci

    I'm really not a fan of some of the touches missing from the latter two Pikmin games, like the Pikmin queuing up to be grabbed. They also seemed to have more of a mind of their own in the first two.

  • @Sa2si28
    @Sa2si28 Před 11 měsíci

    Why on this video the automatic translations do not work when the option is available? I don't understand spoken English well. 😑

  • @geegoo
    @geegoo Před 11 měsíci +5

    They should have just remade them honestly so they could also get the game logic to 60 fps, instead of using the old fixed codebase/emulating it.
    Since they're working on Pikmin 4 already it's such a no-brainer. It's not like the games are that different from each other or that big either, also they are made of fairly simple AI and scripting, for nowadays standards anyway.
    They could have probably remastered first two if not all three games, with minimal title-specific work from the assets and engine they are already working on for the new game.
    Though it's true that I still love the original games and a Switch version already fullfills the purpose of making them more convenient to play again, they are basically like walking through dioramas, so in a perfect world it would've been nice for Nintendo to just remake them with the graphical detail modern render techniques can offer even on limited hw, Luigi's Mansion 3 being the best comparison that comes to mind in that regard since it's also small hand-crafted spaces with a fair amount of detail poured into them.

    • @yellowblanka6058
      @yellowblanka6058 Před 11 měsíci

      If this collection was $20-30 I might seriously have purchased it out of curiosity, but as somebody who was aware of, but never played Pikmin back in the day, $50 seems like a big ask for some quickie ports of almost two decade old games.

  • @RosbifChaud
    @RosbifChaud Před 11 měsíci

    Now, we need a Paper Mario TTYD port on Switch

  • @saricubra2867
    @saricubra2867 Před 11 měsíci

    F-Zero GX and Melee on the Switch would be a laggy experience (Switch + modern TV input delay issues), TV ghosting and blur...
    Those games have to stay on the original hardware with CRTs or Dolphin Emulator.

  • @teero121
    @teero121 Před 11 měsíci +6

    10:06 ah yes, my favorite gamecube game: super mario brothers melee

  • @FreediiFree
    @FreediiFree Před 11 měsíci +17

    I've pulled the iso from my own copies of both Pikmin 1 and 2 from a Wii I homebrewed and have played them off and on for years. Even recently experimenting with a pretty 4k texture pack from HenrikoMagnifico to play and stream with. I've loved these games and have been so happy to always have access to them even when my sister took the Wii when she got her own place (i didn't mind cause i could play from my PC).
    That being said, I'll still love to have the entire 4 game collection on my Switch when the physical releases come out! I'm happy to see the experience recreated faithfully even if for $50 it is kind of the bare minimum. But, I am their target audience soooo guess I'll still buy it haha

    • @Bdonz952
      @Bdonz952 Před 11 měsíci +1

      The good news for you is that 1+2 physical is available September 22nd! I couldn't wait long enough to get 1+2, so bought digital, but might pick up physical in the future too.

  • @cosmosofinfinity
    @cosmosofinfinity Před 11 měsíci

    10:06 Super MARIO Bros. Melee?! You DO have to be pretty daring to say that...

  • @mr_m4613
    @mr_m4613 Před 11 měsíci

    You guys are a day late and a dollar short with this one, Pikmin is already a beloved franchise and always will be.

  • @nalong55
    @nalong55 Před 11 měsíci +4

    30fps…. What a huge miss by Nintendo

    • @vanderquakSP
      @vanderquakSP Před 11 měsíci

      Oh boo hoo, another video game that only runs at 30fps. Let me play a sad song on the world’s smallest violin.

  • @devinlauderdale9635
    @devinlauderdale9635 Před 11 měsíci +1

    at 10:10 you said super mario brothers melee when i think you meant super smash bros melee

  • @Ashiodyne
    @Ashiodyne Před 11 měsíci +9

    That mod looks terrible

  • @aterikasedi
    @aterikasedi Před 11 měsíci +1

    Pikminnn. I love this game.

  • @wFaRKXMHphsy68zfTw8h
    @wFaRKXMHphsy68zfTw8h Před 11 měsíci +3

    super mario brothers meele? 10:06

  • @RubyDoobieScoo
    @RubyDoobieScoo Před 11 měsíci

    I appreciate Nintendo not trying to oversell uprezed ports like over companies do. e.g. the Final Fantasy X remaster .

  • @stevensullivan3762
    @stevensullivan3762 Před 11 měsíci

    Will you be doing Pikmin 4 next?

  • @martinaee
    @martinaee Před 11 měsíci +1

    Ugh… great games. I am getting a physical copy of Pikmin 4 so it bugs me that the physical release isn’t happening immediately!

  • @ThouzandWattz
    @ThouzandWattz Před 11 měsíci

    Super Mario Bros Melee? Never heard of that one...

  • @born_to_play
    @born_to_play Před 11 měsíci

    This is not emulated from the Wii ports? you forgot to mention the changes of textures of several objects, for example there are no longer duracell batteries, now it is a generic brand.

  • @buttsmear45
    @buttsmear45 Před 10 měsíci

    3:17 since when did pikmin 1 ghosts reflect the color of pikmin that perished?

  • @j.d.6915
    @j.d.6915 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Nintendo needs to bring back Mario Strikers, Golf, and WW.

  • @SnowyNowak
    @SnowyNowak Před 11 měsíci +1

    people in the comments (as well as tom morgan) not realizing that maybe pikmin 1 and 2 are still locked at 30FPS because 60FPS breaks the game logic, and these are old games that have weird ass coding
    you ever wonder why final fantasy x hd still is 30FPS and doesn't have skippable cutscenes? because ffx breaks if you run it at higher than 30FPS, and skipping cutscenes crashes the game. never underestimate how weird and spaghetti code-y games from the 6th gen are, and how much of an insurmountable task it is to fix this code without breaking 50,000 things, and that a lotta the time it's best to leave some things be.
    (yes the 60FPS mode in dolphin breaks shit)

    • @blueplumber6970
      @blueplumber6970 Před 11 měsíci +1

      You're right, the game logic would likely break if they tried to run the game at 60 fps as it is. However, Nintendo showed that it's very much possible to adjust these things with Skyward Sword HD (you cant really run the Wii original at 60 fps with Dolphin either). Doing this probably would have been out of scope for what is a simple HD re-release, though

  • @francisyorkmorgan1341
    @francisyorkmorgan1341 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Would have been a perfect port if they didn't censor the dialogue and stretch the UI.

  • @peterbruin5154
    @peterbruin5154 Před 11 měsíci

    Anyone know if GC controllers are compatible on these titles with the adapter?

    • @NickJJU
      @NickJJU Před 11 měsíci +1

      You can use a GC controller with any game on Switch

  • @Space_Australian
    @Space_Australian Před 11 měsíci +97

    Did this man actually say "Super Mario Bros. Melee" lmao

    • @DansGameZone.
      @DansGameZone. Před 11 měsíci +12

      “Dare I say” 😂😂😂

    • @no-barknoonan1335
      @no-barknoonan1335 Před 11 měsíci +19

      To be honest, it's an easy slip up to make, I probably have made worse ones without even realizing.

    • @XhoowieX
      @XhoowieX Před 11 měsíci +2

      I'm more surprised by somebody saying "lmao" after 2013.

    • @Space_Australian
      @Space_Australian Před 11 měsíci +12

      @@XhoowieX LMAO + ratio

    • @XhoowieX
      @XhoowieX Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@Space_Australian well we're both at 0 right now so not much of a ratio. At least ratio is from 2019 or so, maybe by the next comment you may actually have reached the present.

  • @clownavenger0
    @clownavenger0 Před 11 měsíci +3

    fans care about the art and Nintendon't.