MotoGP vs. WorldSBK (WSBK) video slideshow | How much faster are the Grand Prix machines?
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- That age-old question: how much slower are World Superbikes compared with Grand Prix MotoGP prototype machines? Turns out, nowadays, not that slower. I compare the pole position and fastest lap time of the 2019 MotoGP Spanish Grand Prix with the 2019 WSBK Spanish races. Both series run at the Jerez de La Frontera Circuit, a month apart, under the same weather conditions. The results might surprise you.
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Good video. I follow both series. Motogp is the top category with prototypes, but Superbikes, the top road bike equivalent is extremely close, they show they can actually compete in Motogp. The top performers in Superbike, Kawasaky and Ducati, show that they are close if not better than the performance of a KTM or an Aprilia in Motogp, which is crazy knowing what these factory teams invest.
Superbike is more friendly to the spectator, while Motogp is more secretive and political. In both competition is fierce, and in both there is an untouchable star, Marquez in Motogp and Rea in Superbike.
Couldn't agree more, man. The fact that a WSBK Kawasaki is faster than a MotoGP Aprilia or KTM is pretty unbelievable, and it's certainly not only down to the pilot... I think the top WSBK teams could be very useful case-studies for the weakest MotoGP teams.
@@motozest7856 But that record is only for 1 lap, GP Circuit races are usually 5 laps more and usually involves more rigorous braking and pressures
Kawasaki is better than the top Honda bikes in Moto GP in my opinion. Rea is simply amazing
take rea and kawasaki to losail or mugello....we'll see the big difference
I have always preferred SBK hands down.
Nah bro motogp is better, many crazy battles and it's a lot bigger than WSBK, I think Rossi alone is probably bigger than WSBK lol.
This circuit tells us what the gap looks like when the gp machine has little opportunity to use the advantages of much greater top end power , more powerful brakes and the superior handling character aided by prototype design and more advanced electronics. Jerez is short corners with short straights . We would see 4 seconds at some other circuits that don’t neuter the advantages of the GP machines
It's been that close for a long time, I think Troy Corser actually got a Ducati around somewhere faster way back in the 90s. But yeah, all content like this is appreciated.
From about 1996 wsbk was lapping nearly identical to 500gp bikes and ofter beating their lap times….this is one of the reasons why 4 strokes got introduced in 2002
Well done. The compare shows (at least for qualifying) that WSBK is very nearly as fast as MotoGP. Though in a race of 20 laps Johnathan Rea would be almost 40 seconds behind Marc Marquez - purely by numbers. It would be interesting I think to see a few World Superbikes amongst the MotoGP machines in a real race - something we will never see.
Well I'm sure if it was on a different track like mugello or losail, the difference would be bigger, the GP bikes have higher top speed and acceleration so that would make a big difference, Jerez is really tight for the GP to stretch its legs.
Good content bro keep it up
Thanks!
Very Nice vídeo , and nice comparative
Thanks, man!
There is a limit to how fast you can go on two wheels. Low speed acceleration (0-200) braking and cornering are ultimately going to plateau and not really improve.
Unlike F1, motogp cannot continually add more potent brakes, more power etc without the bike becoming unmanageable under braking, and constantly wheeleing during acceleration.
Because of this motogp cannot really open up a gap with WSBK on most technical circuits. Corner speeds are practically identical, power out of the slower corners is practically identical, under brakes the motogp bikes are a LITTLE better. It is only on long straights (mugello) where the difference REALLY becomes apparent in how they accelerate above and beyond 250-300 kph. Here the power is beneficial. On smaller tracks... not so much.
True... Unless they open the Pandora's Box of aerodynamics, which I hope they never do (the bikes would look alien and the budgets would skyrocket).
I watch both on videopass. I like WSBK more because it's production-based racing. Very competitive that's for sure.
fds muito bom trabalho, aposto que és TUGA CRL
Apostas bem!
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Vitória inacreditável, mesmo! Estava a ver em direto e ia-me dando uma coisinha😆
Lol também reconheci logo pelo sotaque, ou falta dele… os tugas são bons com línguas 🇵🇹
If you think about it, it's actually nothing for Kawasaki to keep running the Kawasaki Racing Team for SBK since it's so cheap for a massive producer like kawasaki and all the sponsors money and Rrea has been winning championships for a few years straight now Kawasaki is probably just making money from the SBK team and all the expenses are instantly covered tho I do wish they'd return to MotoGP and put Rea on their MotoGP bike
Yeah, the ROI is probably massive!
Thats why they can afford to R&D and produce the H2R, don't you think?
Yeah. I guess kawasaki isn't interested to invest in motogp. But i think the company is really capable in winning there if they want to...
In many ways it's like F1 vs IndyCar. I like both, but IndyCar in my opinion is more interesting and better racing.
I can say the same for MotoGP and WSBK, I like them both but I like super bike bettwr
I don't know a lot about IndyCar, but from what I gather their cars are all prototypes, like F1 cars. Although they're less bespoke, using the same chassis and only two different engines, they don't have any resemblance to the cars you can actually buy. Touring cars, on the other hand, do. I think MotoGP vs. WSBK is more like F1 vs. WTCC than F1 vs. IndyCar.
F1 cars would be significantly quicker around a circuit than an IndyCar. The sbk is very close to MotoGP, no way an IndyCar is that close to an F1 car.
Yeah wsbk is so much interesting than Motogp that we had Rea winning for almost 10 years in a row without anyone to challenge him, while in motogp even when Marquez was winning all the time he still had to work for it, Lorenzo, Rossi, Pedrosa and especially Dovizioso gave him some headaches, while in sbk Rea was really ahead of the pack.
interesting,
i thought that the difference isnt that big,
but i mean it looks like a good rider with Wsbk bike can keep up with a "bad" Motogp rider
But that was on tight track like Jerez if it was mugello or losail with longer straights the difference would be bigger.
Very nice comparison! Pretty cool to know that a Superbike isn’t that much slower than a MotoGP bike, I think Alex Lowes and Michael van der Mark, who both did a couple of races for the Tech 3 Yamaha team said the difference between de M1 and the R1 isn’t too different, although in saying that I wonder how different a Worldsuperbike machine would be compared to a STK1000 machine, since an SBK is more race tuned with a different swing arm, different electronics and different tyres. Anyway, it’s my dream to get into a 1000cc Superbike series at some point knowing that riding that wouldn’t be extremely different to a MotoGP bike :)
I'm on that same boat, mate. Keep an eye on the upcoming CBR1000RR - it's going to be unveiled next month, lighter than the current one (which is already the lightest in its class), about 210hp, new farings for better aerodynamics... These things are now as fast as middle-of-the-pack GP bikes from 10 years ago! It's a crazy time for SBK lovers.
@@motozest7856 cbr have arrive man.. 215 hp crazy haha cant wait for wsbk 2020
Yep! That is an engineering masterpiece.
But that was on a tight track like Jerez where the GP can't really stretch its legs, if it was on mugello or losail, the difference would be bigger, and also if the bikes aren't too different then why does every WSBK rider seems to suck in motogp? I mean we never had a rider going from wsbk to gp and then becoming champion, they are always way too slow and can't fight for anything big.
What's meant by the cost of team? I mean is the money to be paid by the rider or the team owner?
It's what costs the team owner to run it for a whole season. At this level most riders don't pay to race, they're paid to do it. "Paying riders" usually bring sponsorship money with them, but it's usually not coming directly out of their pockets.
but this is just qualification round right?
It's not - as it's clearly explained in the video. I compare both pole position times and fastest race lap times. I even did separators for both, I mean...
@@motozest7856 oh.. i didnt read or hear it maybe.. non native here.. and i'm all focused on the numbers. but even if they can be close, the will have to cut the bike before enterimg motogp to follow the rules eh?
@@bzxrm What do you mean "they will have to cut the bike"? The regulations for MotoGP and WSBK are completely different, bikes from one series cannot compete in the other. The idea of this video is just to show how close the World Superbikes are to the Grand Prix machines nowadays.
@@motozest7856 yeh i know but member how kawasaki challenged motogp to race against their sbk? like they want to put the same bike in motogp... so its not really close than since the regulation compeletely favor sbk..
@@bzxrm I'm not following your train of thought. Kawasaki basically said their bike could be competitive in MotoGP. Not for podium, but with Rea aboard, at least consistent around the top 9. And that is with current regulations and on less than 1/4 of the MotoGP budget. It was a comparative statement, not a challenge.
MotoGP = F1 on 2 wheels
WSBK = GT3 on 2 wheels
MotoGP = F1 But Bikes
WSBK = WEC But Bikes
WEC is bike also....
TT island isle
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@@motozest7856 lmao some people just talk random
TT island isle is a not a talent , it's a game of death or gladiator , race between life and death
why the fuck do we even race motogp there like 10 times the price to run a team compare to sbk and there like 1-2 percent on average faster production bike like the new v4s with akra and slicks can run 4 seconds of the pace of a motogp bike ridden by ducati test rider and honestly when i see sbk bike there still some similarity to my road bike while motogp doesn't look anything like the thing you actually ride
I get your point, and the fact that WorldSBKs are closer to the superbikes we can buy on any dealership is a big factor in the success of the series. That's one of the reasons I like WorldSBK so much. Having said that the most disrupting innovations usually come from MotoGP, which is to be expected - that's what you get when you throw millions at a particular problem. Most of todays electronic rider aids were developed in MotoGP, for instance. The same for top-of-the-line brake and tire technology, lightweight materials, etc. I think both series serve a valuable purpose.
Yes 1 sec x 24-28 laps he he
Yep - that puts WSBKs on par with the lower half of the MotoGP field. Quite impressive, considering the enormous budget difference.
@@motozest7856 Why is their less money in WSBK than in Moto GP? Why are their budgets smaller? Is this a rule that they are not allowed to have as much money?
motoGP is just like f1. a marketing gimmick.
Yes they use the sport and its engineering freedom to promote their brand.
World Superbike would not be as fast today if it wasn't for Motogp testing all the prototyping first! There is no real comparison because the Motogp prototype bikes has a lot of configurable elements and most of these elements are prototypes for example, other than Engine and the chassis of the bike, the tires, the brakes, the wheels and the electronics are all prototype with multiple options to chose from. So to find a setup on a Motogp Bike to win a race is very complicated because the smallest miss-configuration can cost you the 100s of a second that will lose you the race.
Exactly because of that configurability of MotoGP machines any comparison to a WSBK is usually a bit pointless. Except when both series are running at basically the same time, on the same track, under the same weather. In that case both types of machines are specced to exactly the same conditions. And in that case, as I've pointed out in this video, their differences in terms of pace are not that big. Certainly not as big as the difference in budget between the two series would suggest.
Before the introduction of 4 stroke moto gp Honda did a lot of testing with the Honda vtr sp2 world super bike to run tests on the engine with Colin edwards.