Can you imagine if bigger musicians started suing smaller no name bands. It's game over for a ton of indie bands "inspired" by their favorite bands. It's natural for things to accidentally sound alike. So take it from Ed, let's enjoy the magic of music and not be obsessed with if it "sounds like another thing," cause chances are it does.
You mean like the rolling stones and the verve? That band broke up after that. They were given permission to sample the track and then when "bittersweet symphony" blew up, they took them to court for the royalties
@@rachaelmorris3405 Well that was wasn't "inspired," that was a sample. This wasn't a thing about similarities. Sampling stuff is always messy since you're lifting an actual stem track. From what I understand they got permission from the label, but not the actual writer so that's where it all started and they finally settled that case too.
@@EthanRom close... they got permission for the sound recording but as it was a sample of an orchestral cover of a stones cover of a public domain song "this may be the last time" made famous by the Staples singers they thought there was no copyright. But they didn't know Jagger and Richards had a habit of taking out of copyright songs changing a few words and the arrangement and claiming it as new original composition. That's what they did to The Staples Singers' song and why Allen Klein (Stones crooked former manager) was later able to demand 100% of the composition of Bittersweet Symphony or force them to recall all copies.
Ed and Johnny, YOU DID THE RIGHT THING , taking the road more difficult, but less traveled. Ed and Johnny, this interview is so good. Most likely, you may experience times of back flashes of the anxiety that you felt during these times. It’s normal ok, it will take time. Mention it to each other from time to time. You did the right thing.
Imagine being so terrified of the lawsuit process you already had to go through, that you're willing to have a camera in your face while in your most open/vulnerable and creative space of songwriting, for the rest of your life. All the songwriters out there, imagine having to record yourself songwriting for the rest of your life, knowing you'll have to show those recordings to complete strangers when they want to sue you with baseless claims. Not only that but personally, I think "Photograph" was one of the best songs Ed Sheeran has ever written, and he hasn't played it for years because it made him feel weird/second guess his work. So sad. This whole situation just sucks. But I guess recording yourself is the best solution we have to the problem currently.
...but unless you can see the thoughts going on you'll never know the full story. Shape of you is just No Scrubs without the Spanish guitar at the beginning, running into why oh why with a bit tacked onto the end of Sami's 'why oh why oh why oh why' riff 'I'm in love with...', it really is this simple. Ed needs to admit this.
@@jamescorneliustaylor6997 Ed did get inspiration from No Scrubs, and he made plans to have its writers credited. We're all speculating here, but the fact that he did that gives his stand credibility, and takes away from your argument that he would somehow credit certain song writers and completely disregard others on the same song. And for all your supposed honesty, you overplaying the similarities just makes you look like a hater; either that or you're just uninformed about music.
@@princek4218 that's unfair. Ed is a great performer, and comes across as a good guy. What I'm saying is that I see shape of you as a simple gluing job of two songs, and there is a lot of evidence beyond coincidence for this. The apparent honesty of the guys would suggest this wasn't intentional, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen. This often happens in pop music, partly because the goal is to make money rather than achieve musical excellence, thus the level of musicianship isn't as high as in jazz or classical music (if it were, we would hear about their skills). The thing that DOES bug me is that Ed is claiming the moral high ground, which I feel is unjustified and could indicate a very low point for pop music, suggesting that it is okay to scour other people's material and make a Frankenstein hit like SOY, effectively using status to steal from others with impunity.
@@princek4218 videoing his songwriting sessions proves diddly squat. He could come in with the ideas he wants to pilfer beforehand. The best solution would in fact be if he put in the hard work of coming up with original melodies and chord progressions. Not saying he has to reinvent the wheel, just do something interesting. Risk a failure, instead of taking already successful structures and gleening the credit attached. He credited tlc because he had no choice, that's a huge song. This Sami guy is pretty unknown, Ed always knew he could afford any court battle. Having said all that... Eds core audience is children and young adults who'll never really give a dam about musical integrity, so it's all a bit moot. But the man is a blatant magpie
What makes a good musician is much more than just a good melody. Both of the two in this interview are so big and successful not only because of their melodies, but for so many more things that they did right in their careers. People can't even imagine the amount of effort that goes into this - it's not as simple as just writing a good melody. It's so important that they stood up for this with the right message, putting things into context for everyone else. I hope after this now over that they find energy as soon as possible to write more amazing songs.
I've been writing songs for over 10 years and often an entire song idea comes out in 5 mins, as quick as you can sing it, it falls onto the page. Often the best ones are 10 mins and not over cooked or re written
There is always someone trying to take you dwn Ed the best out there glad you won Ed bless ippy twn remember you when i was a kid told everyone you would make it before anyone new who you was
What an incredible interview. Words of wisdom from the singer and songwriter. Just amazing. Two kind, compassionate, sensitive talents, Ed sheeran and Johnny McDaid. Both of these guys explained to us the bare facts of the issue, there are only a few notes and with 60,000 songs a day being added to the world, coincidences are bound to happen. Striking to hear that they won't spend their time going after people who may have dipped into their notes, and impressive to hear that some of their most famous songs were written in an hour.
Integrity on part of both men, Ed Sheeran and Johnny McDaid - brilliant. Looking forward to attending concert in Manchester in June 22 even more than I was ( and I didnt think that was possible..)
"There are only so many notes and very few chords used in pop music and coincidences are bound to happen if 60,000 songs are being released a day on Spotify, that is 22 million songs a year, and there are only 12 notes that are available." - Ed Sheeran
But this is simply not true, as is testified by the absence of any other song with a hook even similar in notes, leave alone using the same phonics. Again, I don't think Ed intentionally copied Sami, but I think someone in the room had heard Why oh why and it just came out spontaneously.
@@jamescorneliustaylor6997 It depends on how you define "Coincidences" as Blinding Lights" by the Weekend, sounds just like "Young Turks" by Rod Stewart. So is this just a "Coincidence"?
@@MrSitemaster2 see my responses to your other posts for detailed answers. Certain features such as chord progression and instrumentation are universal, take for example 12 bar blues progression and string quartet, whereas an exact melodic and phonic copy of someone else's phrase is quite a different matter.
@@jamescorneliustaylor6997 Well they sound the same to me and to numerous people on the internet, so there must be some "Coincidences" as indicated by Ed.
@@MrSitemaster2 I just wish I could sit down with you with a keyboard - I could easily show you some of the thousands of differences that were possible in order to highlight the extreme improbability of this supposed coincidence. I don't think Ed set out to plagiarise, but I do think someone in the band had heard Why oh why and it just came out, then Ed tacked a bit on the end (I'm in love with ...)
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All they had to do was watch Ed’s songwriter documentary and they’d have known the “Oh I” part was originally different. He changed it because it sounded better, not because he heard it in another song. Unfortunately, despite the incredible song, there will always be a blurb in the Wikipedia about this, and it could taint the song. Also, it gives recognition to an artist that had nothing to do with this piece of art.
wow didn't realise this has tainted the future motivation, inspiration and. creativity of great artists like Ed & Sami, hope they get past that because it would a real loss for the whole world this makes them second guess themselves in any way
Most of my songs take me about an hour or 2 hours to write. If people don’t believe that it’s because they’re not song writers lol or they are like newbie song writers. My friend was taking the piss out of my old writing style back in the day, we were busking. He sat down and within 20 minutes wrote the most beautiful song in my style but better whilst sat on the floor in public with music and noise going on. I still have a video of it somewhere on my Instagram. Took him 20 minutes. Straight up g lol
As a songwriter, this issue will never be able to be fully proved. As someone mentioned below, 'filming' a session is absolutely no proof that you haven't got someone else's song in your head when writing something. Ed's argument that they do this everyday, and write songs in 30 mins doesn't prove anything either, surely if you are borrowing/copying someone, that will speed up the process too 😂. My personal belief is that, in the pressure to create 'hooks' often (not ALWAYS) things are copied, especially in 'pop' music recently. There are so many song hooks which sound 'just enough' like a proven hook from the 80's/90's or earlier, so the listener gets a taste of familiarity. To a musician/songwriter, we know when something 'sounds' like something else. It's instinct. The 'co-incidence' thing is BS. Worst part is, the more you are 'across' music, and listen to thousands and thousands of songs, the more chance something could turn up in your writing. In my process, there are definitely times where I think 'that sounds like that', and I choose to keep searching for a more unique idea. Just my opinion.
@@jryan2409 and? Dude, popularity is most often, not always, but most often a sign of mediocrity. Ed sheeran ain't a musician first and foremost, he's a businessman who's product is music. Just my opinion dude, I genuinely welcome the debate 🙂
It's so tricky with art. I see illustrators often creating similar work in slightly different styles. And music I have heard similar songs. You have to stupid to copy someone's work (ed is not stupid). Also it scares me that it's so easy to take someone to court.
That's sad. Ed is one of the most prolific songwriters around. Johnny too, even from Snow Patrol days. Such a shame that they feel that way now when they're writing. Ed's correct, it's supposed to bring joy and excitement because you've just CREATED something.
I am known for making jokes. Many, many times I have told a joke and then within a week or two I have heard the same joke on the TV or I've read it on the internet. I've never thought someone has stolen my joke - I understand ideas come from the "universe".
@edsheeranI I have seen the video that you posted on CZcams Dealing with a lawsuit recently. I can not thank you enough for addressing the fans first and foremost. I care about you
It's like people forgot how almost all the songs in the 80s had the same drum sample and keyboard synth patch or how almost most blues / classic rock band had that Chuck Berry Johnny B Goode riff.
How pathetic, the other song is nothing like Ed’s, someone is always going to use a similar word or melody, everything gets recycled to a certain point, so pleased Ed won the court battle
I don't think Ed Sheeran would deliberately take a part of a song. But listen to Ghostbusters next to I Wanna New Drug. Even before that lawsuit, I was mixing them together, back and forth, for a nine minute mix, what we now call a mash. I don't think Ray Parker Jr did it on purpose, but he because he was watching the clips where IWaND was being used as the background, it invaded his writing of Busters. By too much to deny. but imagine deliberately using Cohen's chord sequence for Halleluah as your basis, but you credit Cohen. Nothing wrong with that.
There will be many more cases like this, because pop music has become so harmonically simple in the last 20 years. It's all basic chord voicings and chord tone melodies. Imagine someone 'accidentally' writing something that sounded like a song by Steely Dan or Paul Simon, or Elvis Costello.
what like Sting writing "Every Breath You Take" and how it sounds remarkabley like "Slip Sliding Away" by Paul Simon....like that??? Yeah "imagine" LOL. Seriously though, the "music was better back then" is utter nonsense no matter who says it and about what era in time. There has always been, and will continue to be, good, bad, simple and complex music in all eras and in all genres.
when people have a lot of money they always preach "it's not about money" but it's always about the money but also because Ed is so popular any other song writer will try and steal from Ed's success.
That’s not what he said. Of course people was suing him for money. But Ed cares about honesty/integrity. It could be easier just settled out of court and pay people to go away. They did it once on the attorneys’ advice, but it put their integrity in question, and they can’t change/reverse that decision once it was done. And that actually encouraged more lawsuits. So that is what he was saying, they will always have to go to court to defend their reputation now. It’s painful but necessary. It’s not about money, not to them. You have to know the entire history to understand exactly what he was saying.
This has nothing to do with the internet, think back to Vanilla Ice. Where there is a potential viable case people will pursue. Ed is successful, so is a target. - It's not exactly relevant, though if I was a writer I wouldn't want to draw attention to the possibility of someone as mundane as Ed was potentially copying my work. Ed is the definition of mediocrity - the bland is always the easiest to become popular and doesn't challenge or require any real engagement as a listener.
"There are only 12 notes available" - Ed Sheeran And yet strangely, this doesn't seem to be a problem for anybody else mate. Sheeran is a serial plagiarist. It's obvious, and he's getting called out for it. AC/DC basically write the same song over and over again and yet somehow manage to make them all sound different enough from each other. Being original isn't THAT hard Ed. Do better. And to his apologists (fans): look further. There's a whole world of music out there beyond shitty, music industry approved four chord pop. Surely the takeaway from this whole saga should be: stop listening to crap. Ed and his plagiarism buddies wouldn't be able to get away with it if you didn't swallow it hook, line and sinker.
Lol ed sheeran is a superstar of course he is gonna be a target anyway the juries found him innocent and he's selling out stadiums with his 4 chord music. Seethe and cope x
@@jumpforjoy6 Nah, I don't listen to AC/DC either champ. They were just the most generic and repetitive band I could think of to highlight exactly how derivative Sheeran's music is. If AC/DC's showing you up in the originality stakes, things must be grim!
Law suite ARE FUN ... ask any money grabbing lawyer . Ed and Johnny are creative and productive ,They produce music for anyone wanting to listen to it ... Sadly lawyers are the most destructive in the process of creativity ... typical of most parasites always looking for another host ... Being creative is an ongoing battle to be at your best .
Funny how the case they won get's all the attention to try and make them look like the good guys. What about all the cases they've sellteld out of court and tried to keep quite?
@@jumpforjoy6 yes they did talk about one other case during this interview, but there's actually been several others, which just proves my point in that they've been kept realatively quiet. "No Scrub" by TLC is another one he "borrowed" from. He didn't have to pay a lump sum for that one, but was ordered to add the three writers of "No Scrub" to the credits so they now also receive royalties.
Regarding Ed Sheeran's comment about 8 notes and a few chords, and millions of songs: The human face is made of about 8 things or so (say 'notes'): such as 2 eyes, 2 ears, a nose and a mouth, and a few other things (say 'chords') like hair and skin type and colour. There are literally billions of human faces. ...and yet, Ed...and yet they are all so vastly very different.
The songwriters were credited and those that held the publishing rights to the song (usually the songwriters unless they sold the copyright) were paid. Also they had to get permission to perform the songs.
Hmm. Until they find another riff with EITHER the same melodic line OR the same phonics I'll maintain my view that someone in the studio had heard 'Why oh why' and the riff just came out without realising. Despite the claim that this is simply well trodden ground, there are NO cases of riffs even similar - the nearest you'll get is Michael Jackson 'Bad', OR phonics where the nearest you'll get is old McDonald had a farm. The odds of these phonics I oh I oh I oh I oh spontaneously lining up with the same melodic line (doubled notes on rising minor pentatonic) are about the same as winning the lottery twice with two successive tickets. Oh, Sound of silence has the same RHYTHM but that's all it is. I think this is a time for honesty, and Ed needs to apologise. Claims of shortage of possibilities within the minor pentatonic scale don't fly either because we've had HUNDREDS of years of different pieces using the major scale, so why should the minor pentatonic scale run out so quickly.
"There are only so many notes and very few chords used in pop music and coincidences are bound to happen if 60,000 songs are being released a day on Spotify, that is 22 million songs a year, and there are only 12 notes that are available." - Ed Sheeran
@@MrSitemaster2 this is not true. Many songs use the same progression - The sequence in Ludovico Einaudi's I Giorni is used in many many songs, 'Someone to love', Despacito, etc (if you put the radio on I'd bet you'd hear at least one over any 20 min period) and yet there is no issue, so chord progressions aren't a problem generally. Re melody note combinations, we've had the notes of the major scale producing pieces without copyright infringement for the last three centuries, so there shouldn't be an issue with modern popular music using notes of the minor pentatonic scale. The fact is that the contested song hook is a section of about 9 consecutive notes in a combination no one can find anywhere else. As if this isn't enough to identify plagiarism, the phonics are also identical. Isn't this enough evidence for plagiarism? And if it isn't, then what is? It's not a million miles short of copying a chapter out of a book and putting in intro and epilogue then publishing it as your own.
@@MrSitemaster2 I'm not into pop music generally, but if you use musical material composed by another artist, it's important to acknowledge that you are doing this. Ed has put together a better song than Why oh why, hence the popularity, but in my opinion most pop musicians are more businesspeople than musicians, so I guess they NEED to borrow material. They probably study how much they can get away with as much as what grooves catch the current listener, I don't know. Ed is a good performer though, credit where credit is due.
@@MrSitemaster2 I just checked out blinding lights and Young Turks. The instrumentation is extremely similar, as is some of the chord movement, particularly the Fm - Ab -Cm, and also the feel is similar. However, if you listen to a Mozart piece, then a similar Haydn piece, you'll see a similar profile set of similarities. The line is crossed when a complete melodic fragment is used in the hook, along with the phonics.
"There are only so many notes and very few chords used in pop music and coincidences are bound to happen if 60,000 songs are being released a day on Spotify, that is 22 million songs a year, and there are only 12 notes that are available." - Ed Sheeran This statement just shows how limited in his creativity Ed Sheeran really is. I am not saying he is not successful - obviously he is. Ed Sheeran just isn't fresh and unique in his music. He can knock hit songs out in an hour, as he says. A formulaic approach, basing much of his music on the work of others..
You willing to consider whatever song he "stole" from you can find probably another 20 songs they "stole" from? And it will all mostly trickle down to scales and 4 chords? Be consistent or stfu
@@bobbyknox9258 Why should he give some rando 300k of his own money, would you give some rando on the street £30 if say, he insisted the bike you are riding is his and he demands compensation for theft?
Can you imagine if bigger musicians started suing smaller no name bands. It's game over for a ton of indie bands "inspired" by their favorite bands. It's natural for things to accidentally sound alike. So take it from Ed, let's enjoy the magic of music and not be obsessed with if it "sounds like another thing," cause chances are it does.
You mean like the rolling stones and the verve? That band broke up after that. They were given permission to sample the track and then when "bittersweet symphony" blew up, they took them to court for the royalties
@@rachaelmorris3405 Well that was wasn't "inspired," that was a sample. This wasn't a thing about similarities. Sampling stuff is always messy since you're lifting an actual stem track. From what I understand they got permission from the label, but not the actual writer so that's where it all started and they finally settled that case too.
@@EthanRom close... they got permission for the sound recording but as it was a sample of an orchestral cover of a stones cover of a public domain song "this may be the last time" made famous by the Staples singers they thought there was no copyright. But they didn't know Jagger and Richards had a habit of taking out of copyright songs changing a few words and the arrangement and claiming it as new original composition. That's what they did to The Staples Singers' song and why Allen Klein (Stones crooked former manager) was later able to demand 100% of the composition of Bittersweet Symphony or force them to recall all copies.
@@Traxploitation that sounds like a lot of hoops
"It took me one and a half hours and I don't know what else you'd want me to say" ❤️ Such a good interview. Such good musicians.
Ed and Johnny, YOU DID THE RIGHT THING , taking the road more difficult, but less traveled.
Ed and Johnny, this interview is so good. Most likely, you may experience times of back flashes of the anxiety that you felt during these times. It’s normal ok, it will take time. Mention it to each other from time to time. You did the right thing.
Imagine being so terrified of the lawsuit process you already had to go through, that you're willing to have a camera in your face while in your most open/vulnerable and creative space of songwriting, for the rest of your life. All the songwriters out there, imagine having to record yourself songwriting for the rest of your life, knowing you'll have to show those recordings to complete strangers when they want to sue you with baseless claims. Not only that but personally, I think "Photograph" was one of the best songs Ed Sheeran has ever written, and he hasn't played it for years because it made him feel weird/second guess his work. So sad. This whole situation just sucks. But I guess recording yourself is the best solution we have to the problem currently.
...but unless you can see the thoughts going on you'll never know the full story. Shape of you is just No Scrubs without the Spanish guitar at the beginning, running into why oh why with a bit tacked onto the end of Sami's 'why oh why oh why oh why' riff 'I'm in love with...', it really is this simple. Ed needs to admit this.
@@jamescorneliustaylor6997 Ed did get inspiration from No Scrubs, and he made plans to have its writers credited. We're all speculating here, but the fact that he did that gives his stand credibility, and takes away from your argument that he would somehow credit certain song writers and completely disregard others on the same song. And for all your supposed honesty, you overplaying the similarities just makes you look like a hater; either that or you're just uninformed about music.
@@princek4218 that's unfair. Ed is a great performer, and comes across as a good guy. What I'm saying is that I see shape of you as a simple gluing job of two songs, and there is a lot of evidence beyond coincidence for this. The apparent honesty of the guys would suggest this wasn't intentional, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
This often happens in pop music, partly because the goal is to make money rather than achieve musical excellence, thus the level of musicianship isn't as high as in jazz or classical music (if it were, we would hear about their skills).
The thing that DOES bug me is that Ed is claiming the moral high ground, which I feel is unjustified and could indicate a very low point for pop music, suggesting that it is okay to scour other people's material and make a Frankenstein hit like SOY, effectively using status to steal from others with impunity.
@@princek4218 videoing his songwriting sessions proves diddly squat. He could come in with the ideas he wants to pilfer beforehand. The best solution would in fact be if he put in the hard work of coming up with original melodies and chord progressions. Not saying he has to reinvent the wheel, just do something interesting. Risk a failure, instead of taking already successful structures and gleening the credit attached. He credited tlc because he had no choice, that's a huge song. This Sami guy is pretty unknown, Ed always knew he could afford any court battle. Having said all that... Eds core audience is children and young adults who'll never really give a dam about musical integrity, so it's all a bit moot. But the man is a blatant magpie
What makes a good musician is much more than just a good melody. Both of the two in this interview are so big and successful not only because of their melodies, but for so many more things that they did right in their careers. People can't even imagine the amount of effort that goes into this - it's not as simple as just writing a good melody. It's so important that they stood up for this with the right message, putting things into context for everyone else. I hope after this now over that they find energy as soon as possible to write more amazing songs.
They are both dreadful songwriters
I've been writing songs for over 10 years and often an entire song idea comes out in 5 mins, as quick as you can sing it, it falls onto the page. Often the best ones are 10 mins and not over cooked or re written
There is always someone trying to take you dwn Ed the best out there glad you won Ed bless ippy twn remember you when i was a kid told everyone you would make it before anyone new who you was
What an incredible interview. Words of wisdom from the singer and songwriter. Just amazing. Two kind, compassionate, sensitive talents, Ed sheeran and Johnny McDaid. Both of these guys explained to us the bare facts of the issue, there are only a few notes and with 60,000 songs a day being added to the world, coincidences are bound to happen. Striking to hear that they won't spend their time going after people who may have dipped into their notes, and impressive to hear that some of their most famous songs were written in an hour.
There are millions of singers. But Ed does unique things. And if someone wants to join his glory in one way or another, they will not succeed.
Integrity on part of both men, Ed Sheeran and Johnny McDaid - brilliant. Looking forward to attending concert in Manchester in June 22 even more than I was ( and I didnt think that was possible..)
You should go to another gig instead
I like these guys approach to music and was very glad they stood their ground. It would be a sad day to loose artist such as this to legal battles.
Absolutely spot on word for word
thanks for uploading this
So amazing interview
I love you and your song writer ❤️💚💙
"There are only so many notes and very few chords used in pop music and coincidences are bound to happen if 60,000 songs are being released a day on Spotify, that is 22 million songs a year, and there are only 12 notes that are available." - Ed Sheeran
But this is simply not true, as is testified by the absence of any other song with a hook even similar in notes, leave alone using the same phonics. Again, I don't think Ed intentionally copied Sami, but I think someone in the room had heard Why oh why and it just came out spontaneously.
@@jamescorneliustaylor6997 It depends on how you define "Coincidences" as Blinding Lights" by the Weekend, sounds just like "Young Turks" by Rod Stewart. So is this just a "Coincidence"?
@@MrSitemaster2 see my responses to your other posts for detailed answers. Certain features such as chord progression and instrumentation are universal, take for example 12 bar blues progression and string quartet, whereas an exact melodic and phonic copy of someone else's phrase is quite a different matter.
@@jamescorneliustaylor6997 Well they sound the same to me and to numerous people on the internet, so there must be some "Coincidences" as indicated by Ed.
@@MrSitemaster2 I just wish I could sit down with you with a keyboard - I could easily show you some of the thousands of differences that were possible in order to highlight the extreme improbability of this supposed coincidence. I don't think Ed set out to plagiarise, but I do think someone in the band had heard Why oh why and it just came out, then Ed tacked a bit on the end (I'm in love with ...)
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All they had to do was watch Ed’s songwriter documentary and they’d have known the “Oh I” part was originally different. He changed it because it sounded better, not because he heard it in another song. Unfortunately, despite the incredible song, there will always be a blurb in the Wikipedia about this, and it could taint the song. Also, it gives recognition to an artist that had nothing to do with this piece of art.
I know this is irrelevant but I’m just utterly amazed at the knowledge of chords and music in the comments. I don’t understand a single thing 😂😂
Good for Ed. 👍
wow didn't realise this has tainted the future motivation, inspiration and. creativity of great artists like Ed & Sami, hope they get past that because it would a real loss for the whole world this makes them second guess themselves in any way
Most of my songs take me about an hour or 2 hours to write. If people don’t believe that it’s because they’re not song writers lol or they are like newbie song writers.
My friend was taking the piss out of my old writing style back in the day, we were busking. He sat down and within 20 minutes wrote the most beautiful song in my style but better whilst sat on the floor in public with music and noise going on. I still have a video of it somewhere on my Instagram. Took him 20 minutes. Straight up g lol
Johnny's accent is a beaut. 😊
As a songwriter, this issue will never be able to be fully proved. As someone mentioned below, 'filming' a session is absolutely no proof that you haven't got someone else's song in your head when writing something. Ed's argument that they do this everyday, and write songs in 30 mins doesn't prove anything either, surely if you are borrowing/copying someone, that will speed up the process too 😂.
My personal belief is that, in the pressure to create 'hooks' often (not ALWAYS) things are copied, especially in 'pop' music recently. There are so many song hooks which sound 'just enough' like a proven hook from the 80's/90's or earlier, so the listener gets a taste of familiarity. To a musician/songwriter, we know when something 'sounds' like something else. It's instinct. The 'co-incidence' thing is BS.
Worst part is, the more you are 'across' music, and listen to thousands and thousands of songs, the more chance something could turn up in your writing. In my process, there are definitely times where I think 'that sounds like that', and I choose to keep searching for a more unique idea. Just my opinion.
Imagine spending hours writing a heartfelt song, and putting your entire soul into its performance, just to be told you copied.
Photograph is a great song. These lawsuits are ridiculous, must be almost scary to try to put out a song these days.
Photograph is actually a dreadful song
@@jryan2409 and? Dude, popularity is most often, not always, but most often a sign of mediocrity. Ed sheeran ain't a musician first and foremost, he's a businessman who's product is music. Just my opinion dude, I genuinely welcome the debate 🙂
@@jryan2409 can you give me an example of this innovative Ed Sheeran music you speak of?
@@jryan2409 Galway girl is innovative... OK... You mean that? OK nevermind, may I ask are you a musician yourself?
God bless him 💜
Most important question: Where did Ed Sheeran get that sweater?
His mum knitted it
Even in the video you can hear the similarity 😂😂😂
Hi dose his. Thing .Its différant. God Bless .Ed. Go On.
Genuine guys , you always will have other people wanting a share of your “ pie”
You'd be a fool to believe that with all the millions of songs out there you wont get some cross-over, its a statistical certainty.
Integrity matters. In songwriting.. and in life.
Love Ed Sheeran. His music is not my thing and I don’t listen to him, but I really respect him as a person and his amazing success in the industry!
Lies, there's an ed sheeran song to suit everyone. Yall are listening to these songs bc they are streamed billions of time
The chorus of Sami Chokri’s song is almost identical in every aspect. I don’t blame him for bringing the claim.
It's so tricky with art. I see illustrators often creating similar work in slightly different styles. And music I have heard similar songs. You have to stupid to copy someone's work (ed is not stupid). Also it scares me that it's so easy to take someone to court.
That's sad. Ed is one of the most prolific songwriters around. Johnny too, even from Snow Patrol days. Such a shame that they feel that way now when they're writing. Ed's correct, it's supposed to bring joy and excitement because you've just CREATED something.
They are musical geniuses.
🤣🤣🤣🤣really!!??
@@Coddinho88 Ya
@@Klocks420 no
@@Coddinho88 Man, I don't even like Ed's music but he's the biggest thing in the pop industry for a reason.
@@Klocks420it’s simple melodies and generic lyrics, how does this make them musical geniuses??
Keeping musical themes alive are just like pros n cons, of something good is in that's just to be unveiled. Good directions.
Johnny looks more affected than Ed, I hope they'll both recover from the toll it took on both of them
He won again
I am known for making jokes. Many, many times I have told a joke and then within a week or two I have heard the same joke on the TV or I've read it on the internet.
I've never thought someone has stolen my joke - I understand ideas come from the "universe".
Half my humour is regurgitating jokes I've heard from others/a twist on jokes I've heard, I'm ripe to get sued into oblivion
@edsheeranI I have seen the video that you posted on CZcams Dealing with a lawsuit recently. I can not thank you enough for addressing the fans first and foremost. I care about you
like that special feeling he got when he came up with galway girl.
It's like people forgot how almost all the songs in the 80s had the same drum sample and keyboard synth patch or how almost most blues / classic rock band had that Chuck Berry Johnny B Goode riff.
Once musicians were inspired by their peers and we as listeners often heard similarities in the music, now they try to sue for a piece of the action.
I'm sorry the songs sound nothing alike. Dude wants Ed's fame. Period.
How pathetic, the other song is nothing like Ed’s, someone is always going to use a similar word or melody, everything gets recycled to a certain point, so pleased Ed won the court battle
Go Ed you tell them dude
this guy's a great interviewer
Articulated well
Kia ora Ed Sheeran!
@ Ed Sheeran I can’t tell you how many times I’ve cried for you because of this case . I know you wouldn’t do anything like this.
Cried? Are you ok?
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@tobyp Yes thank you . I only said that because @edsheeran deserves so much better.
George Harrison had this problem as well. And was even found guilty...then wrote a song about it.
I wrote AND recorded a pretty great song with multiple sections and overdubs with lyrics in 10 to 20 minutes. Great songs just flow.
Let’s hear it
Johnny voice tone like ricky martin's husband jwan Josef they both kinda have the same voice
I don't think Ed Sheeran would deliberately take a part of a song. But listen to Ghostbusters next to I Wanna New Drug. Even before that lawsuit, I was mixing them together, back and forth, for a nine minute mix, what we now call a mash. I don't think Ray Parker Jr did it on purpose, but he because he was watching the clips where IWaND was being used as the background, it invaded his writing of Busters. By too much to deny.
but imagine deliberately using Cohen's chord sequence for Halleluah as your basis, but you credit Cohen. Nothing wrong with that.
I wrote a song in 30 minutes on a train once, it's definitely possible and I'm no Ed Sheeran lol
Thats the battle ?
There will be many more cases like this, because pop music has become so harmonically simple in the last 20 years. It's all basic chord voicings and chord tone melodies. Imagine someone 'accidentally' writing something that sounded like a song by Steely Dan or Paul Simon, or Elvis Costello.
what like Sting writing "Every Breath You Take" and how it sounds remarkabley like "Slip Sliding Away" by Paul Simon....like that??? Yeah "imagine" LOL. Seriously though, the "music was better back then" is utter nonsense no matter who says it and about what era in time. There has always been, and will continue to be, good, bad, simple and complex music in all eras and in all genres.
Bamboozled isn’t a fun feeling.
when people have a lot of money they always preach "it's not about money" but it's always about the money but also because Ed is so popular any other song writer will try and steal from Ed's success.
That’s not what he said. Of course people was suing him for money. But Ed cares about honesty/integrity. It could be easier just settled out of court and pay people to go away. They did it once on the attorneys’ advice, but it put their integrity in question, and they can’t change/reverse that decision
once it was done. And that actually encouraged more lawsuits. So that is what he was saying, they will always have to go to court to defend their reputation now. It’s painful but necessary. It’s not about money, not to them.
You have to know the entire history to understand exactly what he was saying.
This has nothing to do with the internet, think back to Vanilla Ice. Where there is a potential viable case people will pursue.
Ed is successful, so is a target. - It's not exactly relevant, though if I was a writer I wouldn't want to draw attention to the possibility of someone as mundane as Ed was potentially copying my work. Ed is the definition of mediocrity - the bland is always the easiest to become popular and doesn't challenge or require any real engagement as a listener.
One question: why?
In fact two: how and why?
Nobody is gonna try suing Ed any more are they?, theyre gonna lose
Ovid Invented Shilajit And He Never Told Anyone How
"There are only 12 notes available" - Ed Sheeran
And yet strangely, this doesn't seem to be a problem for anybody else mate. Sheeran is a serial plagiarist. It's obvious, and he's getting called out for it.
AC/DC basically write the same song over and over again and yet somehow manage to make them all sound different enough from each other. Being original isn't THAT hard Ed. Do better.
And to his apologists (fans): look further. There's a whole world of music out there beyond shitty, music industry approved four chord pop.
Surely the takeaway from this whole saga should be: stop listening to crap. Ed and his plagiarism buddies wouldn't be able to get away with it if you didn't swallow it hook, line and sinker.
Lol ed sheeran is a superstar of course he is gonna be a target anyway the juries found him innocent and he's selling out stadiums with his 4 chord music. Seethe and cope x
@@jumpforjoy6 🤣Ok! I'm not the one listening to second hand music!
@@Polyphemus. uh under your logic you really are
@@jumpforjoy6 Nah, I don't listen to AC/DC either champ. They were just the most generic and repetitive band I could think of to highlight exactly how derivative Sheeran's music is. If AC/DC's showing you up in the originality stakes, things must be grim!
The interviewer looks like John "Johnny Sack" Sacrimoni
Law suite ARE FUN ... ask any money grabbing lawyer . Ed and Johnny are creative and productive ,They produce music for anyone wanting to listen to it ... Sadly lawyers are the most destructive in the process of creativity ... typical of most parasites always looking for another host ... Being creative is an ongoing battle to be at your best .
Sorry chokri who?!
Bad comments section.
Go listen to Mountains O’Things by Tracy Chapman
Funny how the case they won get's all the attention to try and make them look like the good guys. What about all the cases they've sellteld out of court and tried to keep quite?
There's literally 1 and they just talked about it jn this interview that they got the best advice they could at the time but they regret it.
@@jumpforjoy6 yes they did talk about one other case during this interview, but there's actually been several others, which just proves my point in that they've been kept realatively quiet. "No Scrub" by TLC is another one he "borrowed" from. He didn't have to pay a lump sum for that one, but was ordered to add the three writers of "No Scrub" to the credits so they now also receive royalties.
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Go see devlin yh snob
Regarding Ed Sheeran's comment about 8 notes and a few chords, and millions of songs:
The human face is made of about 8 things or so (say 'notes'): such as 2 eyes, 2 ears, a nose and a mouth, and a few other things (say 'chords') like hair and skin type and colour. There are literally billions of human faces.
...and yet, Ed...and yet they are all so vastly very different.
Faces don't have mathematical shapes based on geometry and vibration like music does. This is the dumbest comment I've ever heard check yourself fool.
crazy that a ranga can be so popular..
Why were boybands never taken to court? Many of them made a career simply singing other people's songs?
Because it's not a crime to do a cover version of a song!
The songwriters were credited and those that held the publishing rights to the song (usually the songwriters unless they sold the copyright) were paid. Also they had to get permission to perform the songs.
Hmm. Until they find another riff with EITHER the same melodic line OR the same phonics I'll maintain my view that someone in the studio had heard 'Why oh why' and the riff just came out without realising. Despite the claim that this is simply well trodden ground, there are NO cases of riffs even similar - the nearest you'll get is Michael Jackson 'Bad', OR phonics where the nearest you'll get is old McDonald had a farm. The odds of these phonics I oh I oh I oh I oh spontaneously lining up with the same melodic line (doubled notes on rising minor pentatonic) are about the same as winning the lottery twice with two successive tickets. Oh, Sound of silence has the same RHYTHM but that's all it is. I think this is a time for honesty, and Ed needs to apologise. Claims of shortage of possibilities within the minor pentatonic scale don't fly either because we've had HUNDREDS of years of different pieces using the major scale, so why should the minor pentatonic scale run out so quickly.
"There are only so many notes and very few chords used in pop music and coincidences are bound to happen if 60,000 songs are being released a day on Spotify, that is 22 million songs a year, and there are only 12 notes that are available." - Ed Sheeran
@@MrSitemaster2 this is not true. Many songs use the same progression - The sequence in Ludovico Einaudi's I Giorni is used in many many songs, 'Someone to love', Despacito, etc (if you put the radio on I'd bet you'd hear at least one over any 20 min period) and yet there is no issue, so chord progressions aren't a problem generally. Re melody note combinations, we've had the notes of the major scale producing pieces without copyright infringement for the last three centuries, so there shouldn't be an issue with modern popular music using notes of the minor pentatonic scale.
The fact is that the contested song hook is a section of about 9 consecutive notes in a combination no one can find anywhere else. As if this isn't enough to identify plagiarism, the phonics are also identical. Isn't this enough evidence for plagiarism? And if it isn't, then what is? It's not a million miles short of copying a chapter out of a book and putting in intro and epilogue then publishing it as your own.
@@jamescorneliustaylor6997 Well recently: "Blinding Lights" by the Weekend sounds just like "Young Turks" by Rod Stewart.
@@MrSitemaster2 I'm not into pop music generally, but if you use musical material composed by another artist, it's important to acknowledge that you are doing this. Ed has put together a better song than Why oh why, hence the popularity, but in my opinion most pop musicians are more businesspeople than musicians, so I guess they NEED to borrow material. They probably study how much they can get away with as much as what grooves catch the current listener, I don't know. Ed is a good performer though, credit where credit is due.
@@MrSitemaster2 I just checked out blinding lights and Young Turks. The instrumentation is extremely similar, as is some of the chord movement, particularly the Fm - Ab -Cm, and also the feel is similar. However, if you listen to a Mozart piece, then a similar Haydn piece, you'll see a similar profile set of similarities. The line is crossed when a complete melodic fragment is used in the hook, along with the phonics.
Magpie.
It was an obvious lift lol idgaf either way tho
"There are only so many notes and very few chords used in pop music and coincidences are bound to happen if 60,000 songs are being released a day on Spotify, that is 22 million songs a year, and there are only 12 notes that are available." - Ed Sheeran
This statement just shows how limited in his creativity Ed Sheeran really is. I am not saying he is not successful - obviously he is. Ed Sheeran just isn't fresh and unique in his music. He can knock hit songs out in an hour, as he says. A formulaic approach, basing much of his music on the work of others..
Ed steels loads of people music
You willing to consider whatever song he "stole" from you can find probably another 20 songs they "stole" from? And it will all mostly trickle down to scales and 4 chords? Be consistent or stfu
'It took its toll' did it really? Really?? BS He can go and cry into his millions in his million pound mansion.
You sound bitter
@@SterlingBrett your truly saying this court case hurt his feelings? Jog on
@@SterlingBrett he could of waved 300k infront of chokri if he wanted to. And it would of all gone away. Your a muppet
@@SterlingBrett hardly a false allegation.
@@bobbyknox9258 Why should he give some rando 300k of his own money, would you give some rando on the street £30 if say, he insisted the bike you are riding is his and he demands compensation for theft?
Plagurism or not, Ed and Johnny make really terrible music
@@jryan2409 sure, but I believe that these two dudes make zero efforts in the direction of originality
Fool
@@jjjvvv123 it's vacuous garbage, their music. Anyone who says different is clueless
@@TrevorParsnips Go listen to your rap you sociopath
Still beleive Sheeran used their music..
All he does is plagiarise his own rubbish music and the usual sheep think it's good.
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