is a Tomato a Fruit?

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  • čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
  • There's been a lot of discourse, surrounding what a fruit is. Many people prefer to use a strict scientific definition, but that's not ANYTHING compared to the number of people who wan't to use something they THINK is a scientific definition but actually isn't anything. But this channel was founded on the premise that people wouldn't be wrong as often if they sought out information on subjects they were arguing about. Here's my take on whether a tomato is a fruit, not just Botanically, but Semantically.
    0:00 Introduction
    0:39 The point of defining things
    1:54 Standard Definition of a Fruit
    2:11 Seeds and the Anatomy of a Flower
    3:14 Is a Juniper Berry a Fruit?
    3:40 Ovaries
    4:23 Is a Strawberry a Fruit?
    4:51 Fleshy and Dry fruits
    5:22 Is a Strawberry a Nut?
    5:59 Berries and Drupes
    6:28 Is a Coconut a Nut?
    7:01 Is an Almond a Fruit?
    7:37 Absurdity of "Scientific" Definitions
    7:54 Wisdom and Intelligence

Komentáře • 46

  • @cienciandre
    @cienciandre Před 2 měsíci +24

    I hate this argument so much. If we're going to go by the botanical definition of "fruit", we'll have to accept that cucumbers and pumpkins are fruits while apples, strawberries and pineapples aren't. What is socially accepted as a "fruit" is just parts of plants, usually sweet, that we vaguely agree to call a fruit, so anything can or cannot be a fruit as long we agree about it. So basically it depends on what the general opinion is, which is OBVIOUS for anything which is defined by common sense, like the social definition of a fruit. Haven't watched the video yet but I'm tired of anyone trying to formally define something that by definition depends on common sense

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +17

      I was confused until I read that you havent watched it- yeah, you basically agreed with me wholeheartedly on every point

    • @tonydai782
      @tonydai782 Před 2 měsíci +2

      How’d you like the video?

    • @abhiramn474
      @abhiramn474 Před 2 měsíci

      The inside of the apple has the fruit so you might as well call the entire apple colloquially as fruits.
      I have no qualms of calling a strawberry as NOT a fruit.

    • @cienciandre
      @cienciandre Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@abhiramn474 That's right, YOU have no qualms. Your qualms are personal to you, and that's exactly my point: a definition that relies on people's personal opinions cannot be formalized.

    • @modmaker7617
      @modmaker7617 Před měsícem

      What's "common sense" to you might not be "common sense" to another person.

  • @valentinaaugustina
    @valentinaaugustina Před 2 měsíci +25

    all my friends call me a fruit

  • @abhiramn474
    @abhiramn474 Před 2 měsíci +8

    This also means that I can say “I am depressed” to mean I am very sad, even though I don’t have clinical depression as depressed in general means “low spirit” well before the concept of clinical depression was conceived.

  • @pacocafe
    @pacocafe Před 2 měsíci +5

    In portuguese we distinguish between the botanical and culinary meanings with the gender sufixes, so:
    fruta = fruit (cooking)
    fruto = fruit (biology)
    And people still say that tomato is a fruta

  • @ZephLodwick
    @ZephLodwick Před 2 měsíci +2

    Criminally underrated channel. Clever, pithy, and fun.

  • @erykroch8599
    @erykroch8599 Před 2 měsíci +8

    Znormalizuj głośnoś, bo muszę podgłaśniać, i potem cokolwiek innego wezmę to dostaję zawału
    Swoją drogą kocham twój kanał

  • @rimostle
    @rimostle Před měsícem +1

    That last line was so impactful. Wise words brother🙏🙏🍅

  • @soggycardboardbox
    @soggycardboardbox Před 2 měsíci +3

    Fast paced, smart, and funni content. Gonna be proud to be in the sub-1k club when you inevitably blow up.

  • @MrSilki2
    @MrSilki2 Před 2 měsíci +2

    when somebody tells me tomato is fruit, i tell them define me what is a tree then

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Anything made of wood and larger than 10 feet in any dimension. Next question

    • @bennyk384
      @bennyk384 Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​@zzineohp what's your favourite tree? Mine's the Trojan Horse

    • @metube7332
      @metube7332 Před měsícem

      ​@@zzineohp ∫ 1/cabin dcabin 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

  • @recurse
    @recurse Před 2 měsíci

    Also, you're a delight, your channel was such a great find!

  • @Jamesdaveson
    @Jamesdaveson Před 2 měsíci +1

    Nix v. Hedden, yep, thats was a real court case

  • @ecsciguy79
    @ecsciguy79 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Look, there are two definitions of fruit, the botanical definition and the culinary definition. Accept that. When someone asks if tomato is a fruit, say: botanically, yes. Culinarily, no. Nobody will argue with you.

  • @recurse
    @recurse Před 2 měsíci

    People struggle with crisp versus fuzzy categories and how a single word can simultaneously be both 😊

  • @I_Love_Learning
    @I_Love_Learning Před 2 měsíci +2

    0:57 Is this an error, or do I not understand? You used cringed as the verb example, but the word we were examining is cringe.

    • @AnonYmous-jp3qd
      @AnonYmous-jp3qd Před 2 měsíci +2

      Verbs can do this thing called 'conjugation' where they change their form depending on stuff. For instance, verbs can form what's known as the 'past tense', where most of them get the ending -d or -ed to mark it. Conjugated forms of verbs are not considered to be separate words from their dictionary forms (lemmas), so 'cringed', the past tense of 'cringe', is just a different form of the word 'cringe' and not in itself a different word.

    • @I_Love_Learning
      @I_Love_Learning Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@AnonYmous-jp3qd Ah, that is my problem. I understand conjugation (though I consider conjugated forms to be separate words, and I didn't know others didn't), but I was thinking of -ed as forming possessional adjectives, and forgot about everything else it does. But thank you for taking time out of your day to describe conjugation!

  • @atbing2425
    @atbing2425 Před 2 měsíci

    You should also check out the philosophy of language.
    You know, philosophers like Ludwig Wittgenstein.

  • @wezzuh2482
    @wezzuh2482 Před měsícem

    If it belongs in a fruit salad its a fruit, regardless of botanical definitions.

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před měsícem

      Yeah but the botanical definitions are still cool

    • @wezzuh2482
      @wezzuh2482 Před měsícem

      @@zzineohp absolutely

  • @pelegsap
    @pelegsap Před 2 měsíci

    Sure, but is hydrocodeine an opioid or an opiate? 🤔

  • @fluffyribbit1881
    @fluffyribbit1881 Před 2 měsíci

    This is hilarious.

  • @modmaker7617
    @modmaker7617 Před měsícem

    Fruits and vegetables are dumb categories.
    I either go with what people around me say or with this simple distinction I learned in school;
    Fruits are sweet and juicy with seeds.
    Vegetables are by contrast the opposite; hard and dry without any seeds.
    So by my personal definition, a tomato is a fruit but by colloquial usage of these two categories they might as well be vegetables because they're both pointless anyways.

  • @lilemont9302
    @lilemont9302 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Tomatoes are tasty.

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +7

      I call tomatoes fruits, not because of some false botanist, but because I am enlightened by my own palate

    • @lilemont9302
      @lilemont9302 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@zzineohpI see that you come up with aphorisms in your free time!

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@lilemont9302 when i'm not eating raw tomatoes

  • @abhiramn474
    @abhiramn474 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Depends on the model. Remember that models can be wrong but still useful.
    Tomatoes aren’t vegetables, but culinarily speaking they function like a botanical vegetable, so we call it a vegetable.

  • @IllidanS4
    @IllidanS4 Před 5 dny

    Coming from a native language where "fruit" (collective, sweet) and "fruits" (plant parts) are completely different words, this argument is almost incomprehensible and completely banal at the same time. Even in English with, you know... HOMONYMS!
    Tomatoes are not fruit, but they are fruits.

  • @zzineohp
    @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +15

    Uh, wait, so does Descriptivism means that there are no grammar rules to English? Does that mean I could say "me am good" and there would be NOTHING wrong with that? LMAO, you linguists really suck at your job! LOL!

    • @I_Love_Learning
      @I_Love_Learning Před 2 měsíci +6

      thats the whole point of defining things 😭

    • @polyhistorphilomath
      @polyhistorphilomath Před 2 měsíci

      Are you new to English? There are no rules here. Me am good at English.