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a streamer doesnt have DIRECT accountability but there is no buffer between them and their consumer. if their consumers do not enjoy their product then they "lose their job". realisitcally streaming is more like owning a business than it is working for one
Not only that but theyre comparing their shitty 9 to 5 with not just "a twitch streamer" but a VERY successful twitch streamer. So it would be like comparing the cashier at 7/11 to the owner of ihop or some shit
W take I agree
Streaming is like the scaling champs while normal jobs are the strong early, weak late champs. Normal jobs like working on a 7/11 have strong early because it's just your average chores. Then ones problem starts coming up (can be both personal or business side), it becomes harder because you cant just take a break or something. And it's constantly like that. Streaming, you dont even get paid the first part of it. Then it takes a while for you to get monetized and you'd have to maintain that no matter the state of your mental otherwise you just fall behind. But ones you get fed, you could literally just do about anything you want. But some jobs are the champs that are just weak at every state of the game. That's when you just dodge. Or ff to next life.
@@DoomX0 yeah but people stream part time as a hobby until they can go full time, a business owner or even employee doesn't have that fallback.
@@catlas2849 Not true, you can absolutely run a business part time. Hell you can even work a job part time. In fact most people do when theyre young but instead of streaming their time is occupied by school.
If being a twitch streamer consists of entertaining people and getting bullied, then I am already 50% there.
Thanks for your wisdom!
time to create your twitch
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This comment is banger.
Which 50 we talking bout here monkaS
Lets just say that I aint fun at parties.
@@mrbear7526 SADGE
I could watch you until i literally die of either happiness or starvation.
Why not both?
How do you die of happiness?
@@yougotitwrongiknowit700 i'm pretty sure starvation doesn't work that way tho
gj man you really showed those iron players who's boss !!!!
Mad?
cope my dude
agree
I agree with your take in terms of like, it doesn't take much skill to do most 9 - 5 jobs therefore it isn't "hard", but I'd say the hard part is how mentally draining it is, having to do the same thing everyday under a boss that probably doesn't give a shit about you, usually without any hope of a promotion or change, meanwhile streamers have a good amount of freedom regarding what they want to do that day on stream, they have the opportunity to grow their stream in the future, and worse case scenario they get to play a game they are at least somewhat passionate about.
In terms of comparing it to types of streamers, in my opinion being a huge streamer is pretty easy people will usually watch you do anything just because you are you, I agree that being a small streamer has its difficulties though.
well like he said big streamers = free af but if ur not part of the 0.1% of twitch its the biggest grind of ur life and possibly as mentally draining as certain low quality jobs
I think it depends on person though. I wouldnt mind doing a job where i just do mundane tasks for 6 hours then go home and do it again for the next 4 days as long as my co-workers aren't dickheads.
@@shinobuu__ 6h?
@@StefHMika thats not including the parts where you arent working (lunch and stuff)
You guys can’t even fucking imagine how many people work from 8 or 9 AM until like 10 PM, as a cook my working day was 15 hours and this shit was horrible in every kind of way. And these guys are comparing a 9 to 5 job to a streamer “job”, it makes me cringe to even call it a Job. I know that I kinda sound boomer but that’s a reality and not everybody has a boring job and such a tiring 8 hours work day ;( It can be even worse
There are other things that come with being the cashier at 7-11 though, rude customers, possibly getting robbed if you're at one in a shit area, also unloading trucks and shipments that come in.
just as there is baggage that comes with streaming, like rude customers, possibly getting robbed/harrassed ( by "fans") if you're in a shit area,
@@greasyshoe the thing is, is online and you can just block them or ban them, in real life that doesn't happen you gotta eat shit to keep your job
@@greasyshoe but even small streamers would ban rude/harassing viewers, since most likely the majority of the viewers doesn't want to see that sort of stuff.
I get your point that there are things streamers must take care of, but you phrase it in a really weird way.
none of those things are HARD tho lmao, its not hard to deal w customers and unload trucks its just annoying
@@RohanKumar-ft6he The hard part is not the single actions, but to do it consistently, while not really being rewarded.
Btw being nice to rude customers and keeping cool throughout the entire day sounds really hard.
The problem with his original argument was that he didn't consider that there are hard jobs 100x more difficult than any streaming career could ever possibly be but he is also right when he says that streaming is not as easy as people think it is, for most people
I mean his original statements isn't wrong, the point is most 9-5 jobs are a lot easier, there is very few I'd say is harder like Lawyers, Doctors and Engineers but those are a very small in overall jobs, most 9-5 jobs anyone can do it's just boring, which isn't wrong, meanwhile not just anyone can be a successful streamer
Most 9-5 jobs are just people do normal boring tasks like cleaning/stacking/cashier. So hes right that most of the time they think boring = hard.
thing is that most 9-5 jobs cant suddenly explode out of nowhere if people just become bored of you, streaming can
Being challenger is also more difficult than 100x some normal jobs. If ur talking being just a streamer without being challenger than yeah sure. but being a pro in any game /high elo streamer actually needs so much effort, dedication and skill that most people def dont have. Just like some jobs of course
@@NovaTheVERmin Depends on the streamer. Some can do whatever the fuck they want to on stream and pull massive views. Those jobs you listed are nothing compared to what people do in less fortunate countries
This is genuinely an interesting debate.
I think something you didn't cover that much was the fact that, when you reach your level of growth (being average 5k+ viewers), you are simply reaping the rewards.
You said yourself you've grinded for years streaming until you blew up from external factors and obviously your own factors too. After you've hit the jackpot you can reap the rewards, but before that there's a lot of commitment and hope that what you're doing is going to work.
I myself plan on attempting full-time, (as it is my dream job to make videos and stream since i was 11 years old), but right now until i take a gap year, i have school and other dependancies to rely on before i can even attempt it, so i use the free time i have, where i also have to do homework, workout and more, in an attempt to build a community for when i can try go full-time.
But in no way is streaming significantly hard nor significantly easy, it just takes effort to get to the point of it being easy.
Hopefully you end up succeeding in your goal, wishing you good luck
@@polarninja238 appreciate it :)
Good luck man, just always have a back up in place if you don't succeed as being jobless is not a good place to be at especially with living expenses on a significant rise ( at least in my country )
@@oliver3699 exactly the reason I've not quit school.
The thing with streaming is that the difficulty in a lot of ways comes from talent or luck. There are probably 1000s of people who've put in double the effort rat has, and have little to no monetary gain because there's no reason to watch them
At my old job ($9/hr) I had to unload an entire truck, which could hold anywhere to 2k-4k pieces on it, by myself into a conveyor belt and push it down for others to unbox and organize and if there was any furniture, carpets (5x7ft - 12x13 ft),or taller than human mirrors I had to unbox/build them myself after I was done or during unloading the truck, depending on how fast people were unboxing. I also had be the person who would come up to bring any pieces of furniture (couches/dressers/tv consoles) and carpets (holy fuck those can get heavy) to the registers and then to the car, only ever getting help for loading into the car. Depending on how many people we had I also had to break down and put cardboard from all the unboxing and put it in the trash compactor, and if that didn’t work they would have me climb up the dumpster every once in a while, since I was the smallest/most agile one (I was 110-ish lbs btw) and step on the cardboard to compress it down, along with any splintered wood or broken glass that might be there. Keep in mind this is all stuff that happens in one day that I have to bounce between.
Other occasional duties would be getting on the registers if backed up, organizing shit in isles, sweeping the store at the end of the day, and… scooping diarrhea out of a urinal with 3 garbage bags over my hand into another garbage bag on the floor because no one else wants to clean it up and the managers didn’t want to call the proper cleaning people to deal with it.
Side effects include waking up every morning with a headache and sharp pains in all your knuckles that won’t go away unless I pressed them against my forearm. Also knee pain that I still feel.
If you find this in the sea of comments, congrats, hope you enjoyed my story of pain. :,^)
Our favourite Rat streamer winning more gold medals at the paralympics
Its literally all about how you define «hard work» yourself. For me physically draining work is hard, sitting comfortably in ur office chair at home isnt physically hard. But it sure is more mentally hard. Its a weird topic imo and people will never agree. Pointless to argue.
The final iron to challenger before he passed away. RIP Mr Earl
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The only thing that triggered me in thi video is that we didnt learn ahris age, is he a kindergardener or not. Fuck the job debate that's what's important
1 - You have to interact with real people, you can't just ban someone you don't like, mute your mic or turn off your camera
2 - You have to get out of your home to go to work
Right now i am a developer and don't have to do any of those two things, but this is not my first job, and i just cant imagine going back to being obligated to do this every single fucking day anymore.
But that does not make it hard!? Is it annoying? YES, is it exhausting? YES, but is it hard? NO. I feel that you dont want to ever do that ever again, been there done that, but it doesnt make the job hard, the job just sucks. Hard job implies that not anybody can do it, or that you have to have some kind of knowledge or skill to do the job.
@@yakub_59 If your idea of a 'hard job' was true, then people here are arguing completely different things. But it's wrong, they're not speaking of specialised jobs, but hard jobs.
That's why 'construction work' was mentioned, it's a very common job, and a lot of the time, you don't need a degree for this sort of thing, or at least a highly regarded degree.
But again it depends my dude.
If you were an extrovert having a job where you don't interact with other people irl would be exhausting.
your vids have made the past couple days not so shitty thank you mr earl
Must be hard to play LOL all day and drive a mclaren 💀💀💀
U havent even watched the video have you, if you have then ur just delusional
Rat say his job is easy, but I think he forgot that he only reached that bcs he plays better than 99,9% of the player base. If he was a random twich player nobody would have watched him as much as people do now. Rn his job is easy, but it is easy because he has insane skills he learned beforehand and being that good IS extremely dificult
no he didnt forget he talked about it in the video
I mean there are people safing life’s as nurses and they still earn less. Social inequality is the biggest problem to humanity.
Also he built a reputation based on his toxicity, it might have helped too
@@cybercipher5770 But the thing is pretty much anyone can sit down for a few years and study to be a nurse. Not everyone can do what rat is doing. He's in the top 0.001% and thats why he earns a lot. Nurses are easily replaceable while rat isn't.
@@cybercipher5770 and the chances of becoming a streamer THIS successful are lower than becoming a nurse. you could argue that riot earns way more than a surgeon but doesnt necessarily save lives.
Streaming is more likely mentally draining while normal 9-5 can actually both be physically and mentally hard but i legit feel streaming stress can make one psychologically unstable like what happened with reckful and his depression ,guess all depends on what you do at the end of the day
Todays games in smurf q were absolutely insane cant wait to see some of them on the channel
I have worked as a cashier for about 12 month and I played 12 hours league in a row and both things are equal hard. Like what in the fk do u think u are doing u legit just shove a object over a scan and say with card or cash. That's legit it most cashiers don't even say have a nice day and that not hard too. People just can't accept that their job isn't hard I was getting 9.5€ per hours and that had a reason.
Nice to see my fav streamer hit his peak again, keep it up Anthon
Always a good time watching Mr. Earl
I have to agree with him on some points. I personally work at a restaurant both as Team leader and in another branch as hybrid cook/server. Not only does that shit drain you out because as well as streamers you HAVE to be nice with your guests, you also have to watch so many things at once that your body at some point gives up if you don't get enough breaks.
If any 7/11 or Walmart employee tries to tell me their job is harder than mine i can only laugh. But the same goes for streamers. Streaming isn't hard as in heavily exhausting. It's the mental factor behind it.
Tfw PhD student. Probably spend around 60 hours a week studying, reading + lab work. And then I gotta do teaching too
Did anyone see what message it was that convinced Rat to change his mind? I know he said 1 person in particular turned him around
My girlfriend left me, the only joy im getting at the moment is Anton uploads, ty Anton ❤
sorry to hear g. hope u have brighter days
Coming up with ideas to be entertaining as a small streamer, and convince people to give you money is definitely a challenge. I honestly don't think comparing the difficulty of a low-level job that doesn't require a professional degree (I.E: Bachelor of Science/Law/MD/etc.) and being a streamer is that fair of a comparison. One job is more like being your own boss and running your own business, it's like running a cafe, you need to give people a reason to give you money, whereas the other job, you're just being paid to do something someone else told you to do. One is definitely more mind numbing than the other.
If we were to compare being a streamer to something like an entrepreneur, then I think it's more comparable. Both are trying to find a way to convince other people to give them money, both require money-worthy ideas, the difference being, as a streamer, the effort required is much less on your end, as there are frankly not that many things you can do on a stream compared to the possibilities that an entrepreneur has to think up to convince investors and the like to fund their idea. Not just that, entrepreneurs (I would imagine) generally have some kind of degree they graduated with, meaning they had to at least put in the work to get it. Starting out as a streamer, you either worked a minimum wage mind numbing job to finally be able to afford a computer (which is not difficult, just boring as fuck and takes a bloody long time), or you're leeching off your parents like most people.
7-11 isn’t hard… gets robbed at fucking gun point
I literally don’t care about any other argument, I’m 21 and have to get back surgery because of me “easy” 9-5 job, if I want to be able to walk properly ever again, streaming isn’t even in the conversation as hard
when a streamer talks about real jobs u just know you gonna hear takes not even a boomer could have come up with
It's more reasonable to assume ratirl has knowledge of a "real" job than to assume some normie chatter knows the first thing about actually being a streamer
Bro I've worked as a cashier and its more difficult to find matching socks in the morning than that job.
cope buddy being a cashier is the most brainless shit on the planet
Which scales harder AD or AP Twitch?
I think the appropriate comparison is between streamers and salesmen. In that case salesmen have it much harder mentally and physically.
typical point of view of someone who hasn't worked a single day of their life, props to you ratirl
Totally agree
typical point of view of someone who hasn't ever been a small streamer. He isn't wrong a typical 9-5 like cashiers job is not HARD it might be boring etc but its not difficult to do.
I work at a supermarket, carrying 20 kg boxes all day and its piss easy tbh. I agree with him. Its boring af but its not hard at all
Different things are difficult to different people
For small streamers its probably the social aspect of being entertaining at all times, the strict schedule and the high risk inherent to streaming, for most 9-5 jobs its usually low income and gratification, boredom and having to deal with humanities lowest individuals (some of which are probably your bosses)
No you cant compare it directly, no that doesnt mean its stupid to compare them. At least as long as nobody is trying to win a competition on whose life is more shit
There are some jobs where it isn't that hard its just the stress that comes with it. However, I drill for a living and i do the somewhat easy things. The bigger and harder stuff takes a huge toll physically and mentally. I have the advantage of staying at home year round, there are some guys that work 60-80 weeks and only come home 2-3 months of the year.
OKEYYY AND NOW WE REWATCH IT
Streaming should be defined as a job that is difficult to get to the point where you can call it an easy job
tell me you`ve never been a cashier without telling me you`ve never been a cashier
tell me you've never worked a real job and played league for 10 years
I work nights 10pm - 06:30 am 5 days a week as a terminal worker, during winter i do believe it’s more exhausting, harder hm perhaps not, i guess it depends...
im not saying rat is a child groomer. but i am saying he didnt answer the question o_0
But jobs dont get much worse than working as a cashier no? Its legit one of the most mind numbing things to do,the only jobs that I consider to be worse are doctor(largely because of the sleep schedule).Ofc that being a construction worker or a coal miner is harder than being a streamer lol.Ive worked at a bank during my 3rd year of college and I can say that it was legit the easiest fucking thing to do,my summer jobs when I was 16/17 were much harder than that and I was just chilling in the sun.
Amazing video rat!
Think a big thing is that you can't go autopilot as a small streamer
In Latin America a work from 7-11 its hard because with the salary of 1 month you can't even eat good xd
Im always dieing a little when I hear people crying about 9-5 jobs beeing hard. I work construction 6-6 currently and 7-5 in winter.
Sure the pay is pretty good and I enjoy the work but theres no way Ill be able to handle it physically for my entire working life.
Cheeky rat video b4 bed 🥰
4:25 at least the Ezreal tried to save you 😂
If you work construction . Aw thx watching this at work while we eat
the bad aspect of being a big streamer (getting bullied / forced to entertain people) is miniscule compared to the good aspect (working on your own schedule, no performance pressure, high income, etc.)
it's always the suffering olympics
but guys, I've been around for a bit, and there's always opportunities out there. I personally took a smaller pay for a more relaxed job that is mindless and has downtime to play around. But my happiness is 10/10 because i'm not stressed, I'm not feeling like I'm killing myself everyday to pay the bills, and it makes you more relaxed with money because it feels like it comes easy.
people really exaggerate the difficulty of a typical 9-5 job lol
Those kinds of job become hard and incredibly taxing when you are expected/forced by circumstance to do overtime, so it becomes more than 9-5. Those kinds of 'office' jobs are the soul-crushing ones. A typical 9-5 where once you finish you forget about work until the next day is not soul crushing lol
Streamers make their own schedules, earn more income, can ban people they dislike, typically don't have someone over them and are usually doing things that they enjoy. I know your argument is "well 9-5's aren't necessareily harder just more mentally taxing" but that in and of itself is why 9-5's ARE harder. Mental and work culture is a big part of jobs. One job could have a lighter work load but if work place is toxic, terrible co workers, terrible boss and awful customers. The other has a bit heavier work load but a more encouraging team, your coworkers are awesome, your boss is willing to work with you and customers aren't as big of a pain that option is 200x better.
I can acknowledge streaming isn't easy, entertaining people for hours isn't a cakewalk. But successful streamers are in spots that so many people dream of being in.
Working at a gas station is super aids. I've worked at a small grocery store, which is basically the same thing but with less responsibilities and it fucking sucked. Gas station people have to know how to make a shitton of different food as well, and handle gas customers. They may have extra services like mail handling etc as well. The best days working at a gas station are still gonna be worse than any bad streamer days
i love this king nidhogg content keep it up pl
I had a partime asthe guy who puts stuff back in shelfs and as something similar to cashier and even tho I can't compare it to being a streamer bcs I've never streamed but being a streamer is probably twice as hard as normal store job . I've had Karens + shit customers come to the store and it was never as much of a problem as that guy said it is. If anything I was actually having fun :D if I could have music i'd actually consider it full time instead of continuing studying programming:P
Personally I think working like cashier jobs etc is just tedious, and technically making a living off streaming is much harder, because many people can probably just default to the a more stable although minimum wage cashier type job but you cant really default to a stable income with streaming. I do agree I'd much rather be a successful streamer than have to work a 9-5 job though.
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The easy part about being a streamer is that you also get to practice one of your hobbies for hours a day compared to a normal job. The hard part is the grind to get in the position to live off of streaming. In addition I think streaming has a way better difficulty/money earned curve compared to working in a 7/11. 7/11 is easy, but also shit pay and no real growth opportunity. Small time streaming is harder, but gives a bit more money and has the potential to pop off.
Idk about the bit more money tho like a 100-200 viewer streamer doesn't earn as close as the other example
@@guershh I know, but if you take in to account how much more fun it is, I think the ratio is better. With streaming there is also dramatically higher growth potential
@@bigfatdane people burn out and lose interest in the games they play yet often arent allowed to switch games without killing their own stream. Only when you get really popular can you afford to risk things like that
Streaming is like having a own store if u don't go to work u will lose customers and if u do that often u will be bankrupt. Who where these apes in the chat "yOu cAN juSt dEciDe tO not wOrK" in a normal job u can say that ure sick more often than u can not stream probably. Especially in jobs like a cashier etc.
Also the argument that you can "ban anyone you disagree with" holds no weight because if you are known for banning everyone in chat your viewership tanks.
You have to put way more IN to streaming than just showing up to work and putting out the minimum effort as an OVERWHELMING majority of streamers make less than minimum wage every month because of how many subs and such you'd have to get to support 30+ hours a week.
You can tell the guy never had a job like this
I think its easier to get a job then to become a big streamer but i feel like literally being able to stream whatever you want balances out the fact that you might not get alot of viewers. Also being a small streamer isnt a real job you'd have to be doing something on the side for that to be a sustainable source of income, as someone who works for 15$ an hour and has a bad pc if you have enough money for a good enough pc to stream you either had someone buy it for you, or you make enough money already for steaming to be something you do as extra. I will say though if you combine both streaming is probably more mentally taxing but if its one or the other streamer is overall alot easier.
Oh and i forgot to say that in some places minimum wage isn't sustainable either so on top of doing monotonous work you are even being paid enough to live on your own
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The hardest part of working something retail is the fact you have to take some bullshit and allow yourself to be bullied sometimes really which streaming has worse, unless your packing with your retail then it's lifting things and stacking a shelf.
Construction may be physically hard but it's really rewarding because you feel like you're actually contributing to society
I remember when I met Rat in Iron in 2019
2:53 you forget that youre playing in bronze your teammates probably didnt even realize you came to botlane
U guys rock!
Bruh i am happy to watch this
i’m a small streamer and it is so hard to even get the smallest amount of people to watch as i’m gradually just giving up
i can agree with streaming being hard for small streamers but at the same time ur doing something you enjoy, compared to a 9 to 5 job you're most likely not enjoying it and thats why people think streaming is easy , thats my take on it at least.
Found this vid on youtube now it's my vid
not suiciding on 9-5 is the real challenge tbh
Working as a chef is harder than being a streamer.
Being a chef is a profession. Not a basic "go to work, repeat the same task that requires no skills for 8 hours" type of job.
I work 7-7 at a factory making good money now, but I will say the Food industry/customer service where you are face to face with people is by far the hardest fucking job, maybe health workers would be a close 2nd.
"You have to entertain people and get bullied every day"
*cries in 12 hours a day 0 viewer streams*
what streaming (and some jobs) do not cover is payed vacation / being sick, if you skip a day of streaming, you miss out on the money.
like what do we constitute as hard?
i think you can generally distinct between 3 categories here:
physically demanding
intellectually demanding
emotionally/psychologically demanding
and i wouldnt really say streaming nor ringing a cash register is ticking the box for the first two while the third one is probably given for both type of jobs it just unfolds in different ways.
its probably very shitty to be self employed (streaming) and having a fluctuating income that fluctuates in such a low range that your basic necessities arent covered. allthough that isnt making the act of streaming itself harder but rather limits the quality of your life itself whereas having a fixed hourly rate gives you a definite budget but you have to put up with the retardation of your boss and the lesser people you encounter as customers which puts a strain on you emotionally.
but besides putting streaming against the bottom of the average ass jobs i think basically every single job is way harder than streaming if we exclude the hourly rate as a factor to determine the "hardness" of a job. from plumbing to electricians to mechanics to nurses to basically everything. its physically and intellectually way more challenging by any metric.
i mean as a streamer you play games, have to be entertaining and on top just a fair portion of luck to be making it.
Working as a cashier sucks so fucking bad, your boss, customer's and your own insecurity are breathing down your neck, one mistake and you get yelled at, because you are handling money. There is a lot of physical Labour involved too, unloading and restocking items is physically taxing af, the only way being a cashier becomes easy is to either, lose all sort of respect for anyone and just go numb whenever at work or be financially stable enough to not care about losing the job if you do mess up
So it's either losing all self respect or losing respect for anyone except yourself.
Hard is a very general term, but you're going to have a difficult time telling me that being a streamer is harder than literally any job. It is videogames, and talking to people. You are doing nothing but playing a video game and talking to people. And the talking to people part is easier than it is in real life. The streamer has banning power and often mods to help with trolls. Does a 7-11 cashier have the ability to poof away a customer whose screaming at them? Do they have a little security team that keeps rude customers away from them? Its not even playing videogames and talking to people, its playing videogames and kind of talking to people you want to talk to.
If you want to define "hard" as how many people could realistically do it as a living, then absolutely being a streamer is harder than being a cashier. But by that logic, being an NBA center is by far the hardest thing on earth, you have to be 6'9+. I don't think most people would say that being a professional basketball player is harder than being an astrophysicist, but there's far more potential astrophysicists than there are 6'9+ people.
I'm sure there's some grass is greener on the other side impacting my view, but I think if you asked people working a 9-5 if they would be a streamer instead if they could make the same or even less money, a vast majority would jump at it in a heartbeat. I like you Mr. Rat, but this is a shit tier take.
no way I’m reading all that wtf
As someone whos worked retail, construction, and IT, streaming is BY FAR more difficult. If it wasnt, why doesnt everyone do it? Not everyone can put out that energy to entertain. Its like saying acting is easier than construction. Not a single chance. So many more pressures, responsibilities, and things to maintain. As a streamer, you need to constantly exert your social energy, which can be incredibly draining.
@@badbadthingss The reason why not everyone does it is because there's far more people that can pick up a bag of concrete or stand in front of a register than there is people who are entertaining enough to be a streamer. There's thousands of people streaming RIGHT NOW with 0-1 viewers. How many people are on an oil rig for free? You know a lot of people who'd work as a cashier for free? I don't.
If you genuinely think being an actor is harder than being a construction worker you're out of your damn mind. People act and stream as a HOBBY. Something they do for FUN. 0 people on earth work a 9-5 because it's fun. Streaming as a job is clearly less fun than streaming as a hobby, but that doesn't mean the act isn't inherently more enjoyable than 99% of what you will do in a 9-5.
Pressures? Responsibilities? Things to maintain? Yeah you're right, honestly the pressures that they feel to not mess up a line are way stronger than the dude whose been given an impossible deadline with the threat of termination at his job. The responsibilities of being an insufferable diva and still having a career that racks in millions because they're famous must really weigh on them. I mean, I don't know how I'd be able to function without my PR team, or my Social Media team, or my Manager, It really must be so hard for them without the amenities they deserve. I don't know what things to maintain means, but given the fact that most actors have people on payroll to take over responsibilities they'd rather not deal with, it seems like nonsense.
Go ask anyone working in construction if they'd rather be an actor and make the same money, then do the same for actors, but with a career in construction. You really think Tom Holland is going to go lay tile? Right.
@@BOBJOEGUYDUDEMANDUDE ive literally was a construction worker for 4+ years............ did shower door installations, siding, roofing, and general carpentry. Tedious work? Yes. Hard? No.
I am friends personally with multiple very large influencers (1mil+ subs) in the CSGO community. They stream, make content, and manage social media pages. From speaking with them, and seeing the effort they put in, I personally, from my own extensive experience with construction and other trades jobs, do not see how they are harder in any way. I think you dont really see what it takes to make it in any form of entertainment. Those people are some of the most motivated and hard-working people I have ever met.
Less desireable ≠ harder
@@badbadthingss notice how you haven’t countered a single one of my points. You’ve done nothing but try and prove your own credibility and question mine. Frankly, I don’t really give a fuck about your imaginary work experience or imaginary friends. Assuming they did exist, you mean that people working on something they love work harder than people slaving away? Wow. Amazed.
More motivation =/= harder.
I've worked in Construction Call center and high level Networking(IT). Construction is far more difficult and most likely they work more hours than streamers(when I worked for my dad I worked 10-12 hours a day 5-6 days a week depending how tight the contract was. Call center jobs are relatively easy early on before you get the mental drain and when you handle most of the easier calls but as you get more and more experience the job incredibly stressful, I would say Call center jobs are harder than streaming. I am working in networking and moving into programming because how stressful networking can be, I am number 2 and handle a lot of the data centers in my company, being on call and expected to also work a normal 40 hours a week can be really fucking annoying especially if you are out with family or friends it feels like you can never make plans without being interrupted. I would say most jobs that are not min wage are great jobs and 9/10 of them would take the streamer offer for the same amount of money but the problem with streaming comes inconsistent money. I only ever worked one min wage job which was a fast food job and yeah it sucks but nothing in it was 'hard' just degrading and unfulfilling.
While I agree with most points you said I still believe that streaming when you actually pay attention to the chat and try to entertain alot is extremely draining mentally. I streamed for couple weeks for about 30 viewers only but they were active in chat alot. I also worked at call center which took of stock investment at the time. I would say both had pros and cons. (Streaming was actually fun but really tiring mentally, more than the call center.)
I also completely dont understand why people want to bring up such topics to compare which job is harder or easier. If they are unhappy then switch the jobs to ur choice of easier but they probably cant because their personal skill doesnt allow them to do better and more enjoyable so to me anyone whinning about how streaming is easy is just a sore sad jealous loser. (Anyone can launch OBS but good luck getting there to make living out of it.)
@@BabyImSelfish wtf !?!?!?!? actual good take
There is NO WAY people unironically think 9-5 job is harder. I have done quite a lot of them as a side thing to save some for uni and I have had the most retarded NPC colleagues that are seen as qualified for that job. Meanwhile as a streamer (believe it or not) you actually need to have somewhat of a brain to make it work, you gotta constantly innovate yourself, always be in the mood to do it (else people won't get entertained), need a good working ethic, and so much more.
Like I get it people look at the top dogs like Rat who make it look easy but hell nahw 9-5 is NOT harder in basically anyway.
Also 9-5 gives you stability while with streaming it could turn south for you any given moment. Also if you become big with streaming (with facecam) you can get famous which comes with it's own set of problems.
Tbh I would quit 9-5 for streaming any day of the week bcs it's way more fun obv but it would be harder and a lot of people wouldn't even qualify for it
me seing 13 min into the video that there is a pantheon in the game
working shitty jobs is not as hard as streaming. people fail to know the difference between something being hard and something being really shitty.
when i worked bartending/call center stuff i could just fuck around and maybe i got like reprimanded abit or had a customer get annoyed but it was fine lol, streamers have to make people happy or simply cant do it anymore. there is no difficulty in almost any low low level jobs, its just a matter of whether or not you can bear how shitty it is for barely any reward lol
It's not hard to be a streamer, it's hard to force becoming one, when you do not have any talent for it.
wait streaming is hard because get bullied everyday, im already doing that for free at school
but you also have to consider how much you're making for equally "hard" jobs. if you're not making as much as the other for the same amount of work, than it's "harder" because you need to put in more time to earn the same amount.
My only argument is that most streamers don't have good benefits... which in the long run pays for itself.
(Edit, but then again neither to minimal wage workers..)
i hate fucking be stuck iron... its only smurf and bots... when i play on my friends account who is silver i have no problem to win or carry but on iron hell no
ratirl iron streams in a nutshell:
- Enemy is not *that* bad
- Korea
- Chat salty that he is smurfing
- "Im not even looking at my screen"
- Occasionally getting fucked by iron players
If streaming was easier, why aren't all of these people doing it?
This FlyingRacoon52 seems like a good player
yes streaming very hard and mentally draining. If I could choose either sitting in my room on my pc 12 hours a day and making millions a year or working minumum wage i would be a streamer and wont bitch about it being hard when being a millionair
If 9 to 5 would be easy and nice streamers would do it. The fact is streamers make allot more money often playing or doing something they normally would do anyway. Thats not the case for most Jobs. The financial freedome streaming gives is also insane. Ofcourse nothing is easy not saying streaming is easy but its still way better than most Jobs.
ye, true. being a streamer is as hard as being a cashier. i mean, working as a cashier is tiring, people asking for a product when u cant just stand up and go for the product, the stinky dudes buying everyday fucking vodka and arguing with people next to them and unpacking deliveries. but still, as a cashier/shop-assistant u are not thinking about how entertain your clients, u dont have to think about other peoples, but i think is the same because u are sitting 8 fxcking hours on the same place and just have to smile to fzcking people even if ur broken inside, and same is as a streamer, u cant just stream while u are being depressed cuz the viewers will feel it etc. etc. idk if this what i said have any sense but i just felt to type iy
lol anyone in the planet can be a cashier, the only difficult part imo is the ppl you have to work with, fking bosses or assistant manager at these jobs can ruin ur day/week/month/whatever if they are pieces of shit
@@lulyhead ye i agree, my bad. I meant, working as a streamer is as hard as working as a cashier, not being, sry
The fact that the argument is framed as "streaming vs REAL JOBS" is all the evidence you need. I don't doubt that some streamers work hard for their success, but none of them would survive a single seasonal shift in retail for minimum wage ESPECIALLY a physically active customer service position. I'm sure some streaming days it can be difficult to be entertaining for an audience when you're not feeling up to it, but that's incomparable to the hell of working all day for chump change and then spending your precious little free time outside of work studying for school or developing other skills so that MAYBE in a year or two you can advance your career further than your shitty entry level position.
It's fine if you're one of the lucky few that can make a ton of money streaming video games, but don't be delusional about it and pretend like what you're doing is much more difficult than the average wagie. How hard is it to be grateful for what you have and accept that you won the lottery without acting like you're deep in the trenches with the rest of us
I'm a small 100 Viewer streamer I don't normally comment on alot of videos but I wanted to kind of give people who don't really understand how hard it is to really "make it" as a streamer. I am medically retired USAF and have done factory work and I would say neither of those have anywhere near the enormous workload that being a smaller streamer has. I think in january i clocked in almost 380 hours and i was working 15-16 hours a day on content trying to make it and i pushed myself so hard i burned out. It makes me really happy that anton can sympathize with the smaller streamers who didn't make it as big as some of the larger streamers. You do not have the opportunity to ever take time off or you will kill your community because you are an entertainer, if people are bored of you or your community they do not care about you and will just move on if you stop streaming for a few days. the amount of people who have left my community this way because I suffer alot from mental health issues from the military/childhood that has been compounded by my inability to succeed as a streamer is genuinely disheartening and really puts an enormous toll on your mental health. Streaming is Extremely difficult. much harder then my time in the service and i got out with 80% disability. we're not talking about the big streamers we're just talking about your average 50-400 viewer streamer. cause even that is the top 1% of twitch but they are the bottom of the barrel in terms of career streamers.
Ty for being you Mr. Rat
How's working as a cashier not harder? I worked as a cashier for 2 years. I'll exclude saying "transit" cause that's just part of why it's harder, also I worked at a hardware store so I had to carry some stuff around but excluding even that. You'd interact with IRL twitch chat level dumbass clients who'd ask for stuff that either doesn't exist or would leave everyone in the entire store scratching their head like "wtf does this guy want?".
Imagine you as a streamer not having the option to either ban me or ignore me, even worse, having to comply with what I ask you. So every time someone in chat asks you to go Yuumi jungle you'd have to comply else you lose money.
Want an example?
"How can I help you?"
"Yeah I need a new blade for my chainsaw."
"Sure thing, what type of chainsaw do you own?"
"A red one."
No disabling chat here btw. Also even 7/11 cashiers would have had the same obligations I had to make sure the registry is in order else suffer some fines a min wage worker can't just shrug off. Then there's dealing with drunks, keeping the place clean and tidy, making sure the various paper you'll be dealing with are in order and trust me it's not just: wake up, go sit on a chair and collect money, go home. I'm no streamer but I doubt streaming is harder than almost any min wage job. I say almost, I had a job working as a game tester... for a mobile game... that had a patch every year... Yeah I could have automated the entire process.
And I won't even mention shitty team mates. Couldn't exactly grief them.
Think about it like this, there is a reason people quit their jobs to stream once they can afford to. Would that make any sense if the job was easier? It's easier to get a job and make money than it is to blow up on a streaming platform, I will say that. It's a lot harder to make money on Twitch/CZcams than it is to find a min wage job, but in no way is streaming harder. Just harder to make money.