Mike Adams’ Closing Argument In Abortion Debate
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Frank often talks about the children being slaughtered on the altar of Molech in ancient times....not much has changed, people slaughter their children on the altar of convenience today.
Didn't your God killed boys with bears just for mocking a prophet? Yahweh probably killed way more than any one lady can who did an abortion
@Papa Smurf No God defiently did that, it was because the prophet cursed the boys which caused the bears to attack in the name of the lord. Even apologist and christian leaders believe God caused this for their sin
@Papa Smurf Actually I can judge him, I can confidently say I have better moral values than your God that reflects humanism and humans can adapt to and live in society compared to the primitive Yahweh
During this time. The boys were from Bethel, the religious center of idolatry, in the northern kingdom(split on the death of Solomon). They were mocking Elisha, Elijah, and YAHWEH for speaking against their immorality and idolatry. Not merely teasing for baldness, but disrespectful to God's message and who God is.
I believe it is "modern day" child sacrifice. It's literally sacrificing someone else's life for themselves.
*The fact we have to actually educate people that it's WRONG to kill babies is mind boggling!*
@Electric Spark one, a zygote isn't a person any more than a seed is a tree. Two, do you support forcing women to give birth against their will?
@@alanbaraka9800 Does the zygote grow into a tree or a human?
@@alanbaraka9800 If you don't wanna give birth, DON'T CREATE A LIFE!!!!
@TwwwJ JwwwT "So, if this isn't a person Alan what exactly is it, a monkey???" Does your kidney have unique DNA? Yup. Yet I don't see you claiming that is a person. There is a difference between being of the human species and being a person. Just as there is a difference between being of the species of a tree and being a tree. A seed isn't a tree just as a zygote isn't a person. DNA speaks of species not the stage of development of that organism in that species. "And as for women who don't want to give birth against their will, put a leash on your lusts and behave like a lady....". Ah, so you dictate how women can behave? Equality at its best. And what about cases of rape?
@Electric Spark "Does the zygote grow into a tree or a human?" A zygote grows into a person. A seed grows into a tree. But one isn't the other is it? That's the point. Do you think a seed is a tree? Where may I ask is the trunk on a seed?
I agree with this speaker. Very good point.
It was a good point to speak of equality and yet by denying women the option of abortion you force them to give birth against their will which isn't equality? Seriously?
@@alanbaraka9800 so r u saying the baby should die in order for the mother to have sex again and get pregnant?
its NOT THE WOMAN'S BODY/CHOICE since she carries the child who has a body of its own !!!!
@BB2K 7 so then it’s Ok for someone to kill their 2 year old if it’s not convenient for them because they depend on them to survive?
I would like to watch the entire debate. Can someone give me the link?
It is titled The Abortion Debate Dr. Willie Parker vs Dr. Mike Adams on the Summit Ministries channel
@@SaraJeanne7 thnks pal
@@SaraJeanne7 Move this to the main comments.
@@SaraJeanne7 God Bless
God rest your soul Mike, the world needs more people like you.
Full debate is on CZcams. It is titled "The Abortion Debate Dr. Willie Parker vs Dr. Mike Adams" on the Summit Ministries channel
TY
Many thanks
A Clump of Cells, a Parasite, an Invader, an Inconvenient Problem, a Tape Worn, a Zombie, a Leach.....for some, Pre-Born Babies are no longer considered anticipated blessings, but are more often described as *Enemies of War and Terrorists...*
It's so horrendous what they're doing to babies that they need to dehumanize them to justify it.
When the pregnancy is unwantend, then no... it is not an anticipated blessing.
With regards to abortion what people ignore... is the right of a woman to decide what happens to HER body. The problem with this, is the fetus resides in HER body. As the woman has bodily autonomy, if she doesnt want a fetus growing in there, then it does violate her rights, when it does grow inside her body, This is not rocket science.
@@STREEEEEET No. Dehumanisation is not necessary. In the first 24 weeks the fetus is in a somewhat parasitic state. this describes the state the fetus is in. It doesnt describe the species as it clearly is human.
@@WilliamsWorldView " _The fetus resides in her body_ "
I guarantee you i'd be on your side if that little bastard had crawl inside her womb when she was sleeping.
@TwwwJ JwwwT Why? That too falls under "bodily autonomy"
@Cross Examined
He presented his whole argument without mentioning God or the Bible at all. That is intellectual genius.
SteadFast nEasy
Ben Shapiro does a really good job of arguing the pro-life position without using religion as well.
@@ThomB50 I've noticed that too.
@@ThomB50 I've never seen Ben Shapiro be correct on anything
@Saint Michael Pray for Us That doesnt make Ben Shapiro correct on anything
@@WilliamsWorldView
You apparently have a very narrow view of the world, William.
Can it be stated any better than that? Such clarity. An undeniable, simplistic truth.
Indeed. Although people are "happier" lying to themselves these days it seems.
@Norman Labelle an undeniable truth? What he said was silly. If you take away the option of abortion you by default force women to give birth against their will. That's not equality. Especially with rape victims.
@Sean Fallo and how are people lying to themselves?
Alan Baraka it’s human nature..... there is no “against their will” they have a womb for a reason. Women have what it takes to make a baby for a reason.
You aren’t force against your will to use the restroom. YOU HAVE TO.
There is no “I don’t want to”
You have to. Most importantly when there is lives stake.
@@tan1591 You've got muscles and a skeletal system for a reason. I suppose you cannot be forced to engage in manual labor against your will either. Slavery must be voluntary and, therefore, cannot possibly be considered slavery.
incredible speech, I got goose bumps... abortion is murder. Jesus is Lord.
do you want to tell me that the Bible allows abortion ??? please explain ...
Once Adam was not in the womb but was created, then it is clear that once he had to be breathed life. But different in the offspring ... The heart of a baby starts from the 7 week to scarf. Still no life?
2. Moses 21.
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give LIFE FOR LIFE.
I advise you not to misinterpret God's Word or turn it over as it suits you. You have no idea how much the Lord Jesus Christ loves you. I hope that you will recognize him because the world (satan) has nothing good with you or anyone. repent ....
@Marin Raphael one, the bible supports abortion. Two, can you demonstrate your god to exist for those rules to matter?
Alan Baraka if there is no absolute truth then why do you even care? God is real, you know God exist but you suppress truth because of the wrongdoing you love. But you can be free in Christ.
Amazing closing argument. God bless Mr. Mike Adams
What an amazing definition of both why abortion is wrong and why all people are equal! I salute you sir and your simple yet profound definition of life. If this doesn't change people's minds on abortion and the sanctity of life nothing will.
By your own words you prove how important ALL life is. No one has the right to end an infants life. Let alone anyone else's.
Issue is that when you give precisely equal rights to fetus and mother, you come to conclusion that abortion should be legal.
You can use emotions all you want, but simple logic leads to pro-choise.
I had to close one of my eyes just to block Parker out of my sight. I can't even look at the man.
R.I.P. Dr. Mike S. Adams :'(
Wow. Just wow.
Where is the link to the entire debate?
In for this
Yes please!
Yes, link please!
@@kathyj6727 it's right there
Whoever doctor Parker is got buried with this closing argument.
Hardly. He speaks of equality and yet by taking away the option of abortion you by default force women to give birth against their will. I don't see how turning women into birthing slaves is equality.
I think if a woman is forced to have a baby, then that woman has to be compensated with reimbursement of the high cost of raising a child.
@Shawn Lee or you could just establish laws that prevent women from being turned into birthing slaves in the first place. Imagine how women around the world would feel by being given a check every month and attached to it is a note saying sorry about how we treated you as property and forced you to give birth against your will and saddled you with a kid to take care of for the rest of your life. That would be horrible. Then imagine how the kids of those women would feel knowing they only exist because their mothers were treated as inferior tools by men. That's awful. Hence why I debate those who are against abortion to see what their exact opinions are.
@@alanbaraka9800 But if u kill the baby then u take away the babies equality. What if there is someone who threatens mu equality, do I have the right to kill them to get my way? No, idk whether u are Christian or atheist or what but the Bible tells us that we should live with what God has given us. If that means we are slaves then we are slaves to the glory of God. Also no one is turning women into birthing slaves, if they don't want to get pregnant then they know how to prevent that lol. But even if they were does that give them the right to kill the innocent? Should I kill u bc u threaten my "equality." Abortion is murder, science supports it, the Bible supports it, there is no denying that.
@@shawnlee664 I believe there should absolutely be help FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT. I think the church should support the poor and we should adopt children whose parents(or parent) cannot raise them. Regardless even if we didn't do any of this that doesn't make murder right.
Wow that was powerful ✊🏻
Every person who is pro infanticide should be required to watch an abortion taking place, the result of that abortion and the result of a baby born alive being abandoned to die. If after that they still think it is a woman’s right to kill her child for convenience, then I may be more inclined to “respect” their point of view.
That is not the issue, the main problem is that our society has convinced them that an unborn baby is not a human being until it is out of the womb. People that are pro choice think of it as growing a extra kidney, and therefor they see the unborn as part of there own body relieving them of the moral obligation. Just like the Nazi's were convinced the ones they killed were sub human, our society has placed it in many lost people that unborn babys are sub human. We must convince them like this man is trying to do that is untrue, and the unborn are completely human and should have a choice.
I know it sounds crazy to think a mother could actually think that but if you have ever talked to anyone before that have had this procedure, vs a few weeks after it is heartbreaking to see what was in there mind. The religion of sex is full of deadly poison.
God bless
You'd be startled to find out just how many people would stick true to their view after all of that though. I wouldn't be surprised if the statistic turned out to be that 50% of the time you are not witnessing an ignorant fool being pro-choice, but a person genuinely evil at heart and with nothing but apathy for their fellow man when it comes time to put your money where your mouth is in being pro-choice.
Pro-lifers should also be required to understand why she had the abortion. I think putting it into context is being honest. I’m just saying that the best truth we can determine comes from the most amount of perspective we can grasp from both pro-life and choice.
Every person who is pro forced birth should be forced to hold a gun to a woman’s head and make her give birth against her will themselves instead of hiding behind the government. If after that they still think it is their right to force a woman to give birth against her will, then I may be more inclined to “respect” their point of view.
"The abortion debate" what a strange title! The things he says are common sense. unfortunately common sense is so uncommon😢.
Jasond Peralta true
@@gabecoomer1286 the bible is true. wickedness abounds in this end days.
Amen
@@jasond4484
Although "wickedness" is at an all time low per capita relative to any other part of human history.
Bible thumping sells a fantasy world of today being the worst it's ever been.
This idea couldn't be further from the truth.
You do know this right?
Guess a colloquial common sense is uncommon.
@TwwwJ JwwwT
To expand -
Healthcare, welfare, humane prison conditions, an absence of cruel and unusual punishment, you're not worried about a rival tribe taking your women and cutting off your head, diseases have been eradicated, meals are not scarce, entertainment is prevalent in all households, superb hygiene etc. How long we could make this list..
This is not globally true, but it never has been.
Per capita.
The world is catching up though; ones that endorse individualism anyway.
May find places in Africa etc. that are still as cruel.
Either way, Bible thumpers paint this modern world as immoral and condemned - While this modern world has completely redefined what it means to be human; surely there has never been such a great time to be one.
*Wooooowwww what a speech!* 👏👏👏👏
Dam, that was incredible powerful.
earlwin franklin that’s what she said
Nice Mr. Mike Adams, well said.
This needs a third option. I'm pro-life, but even I would argue that abortion should still be something doctors can do under special circumstances. Circumstances like pregnancy complications where continuing the pregnancy could kill the mother. This is what I would call medical necessity. Who would call a woman that has a miscarriage a murderer? That's pretty much what abortion is, an artificially induced miscarriage. Some of these questions are more nuance than black and white. I value life because we are all created in God's image and to abort a baby is to damage the image of God. Every baby deserve the opportunity to live, which is a good reason to be pro-life. Amen!
I agree with you , it was a black and white issue for me,
It’s not any more ,
I think there are circumstances where a termination is ok.
It should be avoided if at all possible , but sometimes it might be the right thing to do.
Is the full debate available? I would love to watch it. Thanks and God bless.
it is, but you probably already found it.
@@AndersErichsen-rr7vs yeah I did lol
His opponent looks like he probably thinks rent is too d*** high
I have yet to hear a logical consistent argument for abortion
The woman has bodily autonomy. She gets to decide how she utilizes her body and she is the one who can indicate when her body is being violated. Which is basically what happens when a fetus grows inside her body and takes oxigen and nutrients against her will and alters her body in an irreversable way. If the womand doesnt consent to it, then her body is being violated and she can have the fetus removed, legally, within the first 24 weeks. (which usually is within the first 13 weeks)
Michael Ramos maternal mortality? Do you give birth if you’re gonna die?
@TwwwJ JwwwT I'm quite sure he's referring to pregnancies that are prior to 24 weeks.
TwwwJ JwwwT not all countries have access to those medical needs. They are preventable but it’s simply not the case depending where you live.
TwwwJ JwwwT they don’t and as a result statistics have shown mortality rates because of this. Abortion is a viable option.
Sad to hear mike passed away
Anyone have the link to the full video?
Very well said!
Summit Camp changed my life
its wrong inhuman en WORSE its a sin !!!!!
en 1 day we shall ALL give account to LORD GOD YHWH
If a grown person was demanding of you the same level of physical sacrifice that pregnancy entails, you could absolutely put a stop to it, even if doing so killed them. Nobody would ever tolerate such an infringement of personal liberty; not even in defense of life. Strange that they make an exception when pregnancy is involved.
I guess you've never heard of the welfare state. If what you said is true, we literally be scraping the bodies of the poor off the highways and byways in dump truck loads.
.
Fortunately, what you said isn't true as evidenced by the massive amount of social programs we have enacted at taxpayer expense, as well as the billions of dollars donated annually to food, housing, and other private charities and relief organizations.
@@sidwhiting665 There's a difference between monetary taxation and 'physical taxation'. If the two were in the same category, then we'd expect to see mandatory organ donation, and financial incentives toward bone marrow and blood donation, but we don't.
Also, the welfare state we have is costly enough as it is, and abortion bans would certainly expand it. I'd much rather save money by funding birth control and sex-ed.
Where is the rest of the debate very interesting
This is always going to be an issue we will never agree on. Abortion is never an easy discussion and shouldn't be treated as such an easy topic. However it should be discussed by humans as a human issue and not adding a god no one can prove exists into the subject.
If Chistians only argument at the end of the day is well it's wrong because god, you have zero argument on the issue.
mike malave dude, they can’t think without their god. You’re asking too much.
@@Godlimate lol ya I know
Coming from the coward that degrades women in attempt to insult instead of making an actual argument. Don't care for your opinion on anything cause you have shown the type of person you are and you should continue to be ashamed of yourself and beg women to forgive you.
that's not the only argument actually. Pro life is literally pro science but people like you just don't want to listen.
I adopted some NONVIABLE tissue...he MIRACULOUSLY changed from non-human to human in his birth-mother's birth canal! Amazing...on one side of the womb...nonhuman. on the other...human. He turned into a handsome, smart, wonderful human! It is so amazing how they PRETEND that the life of a preborn baby is not life. They PRETEND that the baby is not a baby. They PRETEND the mother's life is more important than the baby's life.
And we put our murderous stamp of approval through a few BIASED supreme court justices Roe vs. Wade who listened to lies about what a human is and isn't. Our STUPIDITY as a nation is ASTOUNDING. We believe DNA popped ACCIDENTALLY into existence for no reason and swear it constitutes life.... and then we believe that a human having every single piece of DNA CODE needed for life...is not a life on one side of a birth canal??? Seriously??? THAT is SUPPOSED to be "good" SCIENCE??? What Idiots!!!
Halleujah 🙏
where can I see the full debate?
this is awesome!!
Mic drop!!!
RIP my friend
Wow! What an awesome responce! March on Christian soldier.....
Excellent.
if that mic wasnt attached to the podium... it woulda got dropped. 😯
This man was murdered. God will seek vengeance
This may be confusing, but the context of the following is a reply to a comment which proved objectively that a brain does not consist of YOU, which is your mind/consciousness, until a certain point of development, during which abortion supposedly is OK: I hope you see this- Despite when sentience is present, no matter whether the forming child is conscious or not, the baby isn't an exception to life. Whether it be that the earthly father of the baby was a rapist, or if the circumstances of the mother were, "Inconvenient", the baby is a manifestation of a life accountable to God. In other words, God chose to bring forth the life of the baby. The Bible says that you are beautifully and wonderfully made. A statistic I once heard said something along the lines of, the chances of YOU being born are the same as that of every single person on earth rolling a dice with 300 give or take sides, and every single person landing on the same number. We are NOT a necessity to God. The reason He chose to bring us into this world involuntarily was so that we could experience and enjoy his wonderful existence, holiness, love, I could go on and on. He brought us into this life to glorify him, to proclaim his name, and fulfill scriptures. God ordained the existence of every single human there ever was, and when the mother aborts that child, no matter if the baby is unconscious cells or not, they are dismissing a life that THEY have no more rights than. "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" (Jeremiah 1:5). I think the only way this problem could ever be solved is that if people looked past their subjective morals to that which is just and righteous, in the truth of God's LAW. Hitler's morals were subjective no more than anybody else's. Morals can be only justified if God is our eternal creator, for God IS good and holy, which those adjectives in themselves mean to be morally just. I hope this may have cleared things up.
When you consent to have sex with or without protection, you automatically consent to pregnancy or at the very least, consent to the possibility of pregnancy. Babies are made by having sex so by having sex, a baby is a possible outcome. So again by agreeing to sex you should also be required to pay the price of sex. Let's look at another example and see if you could get out of it... I have a car, I choose to go beyond the speed limit but I'm using protection in the form of a radar detector. I get pulled over for speeding. Should I be able to tell the police I never consented to your ticket? Look, I even used protection! Of course not, you will have to take responsibility for your actions. You could use Std's as another example. Can you tell herpes you don't consent to it? Even though you used protection? After years of talking to pro abortionist I've finally realized how they think, they understand it's is indeed a life, but they just don't care.
Unless of course you are raped , or molested .
What about a married couple , who’s wife might die if she has the child
It’s not cut and dried ,
It’s a bit more nuanced than that
When do you believe an agg becomes a human
Post the entire debate, I think I will see that the pro choice debater has a much better arguments. The only reason religious Christians really resist abortions so much has nothing to do with morality but with religion.
I use secular reasoning as well, not just religious
@@moejohnson2132 It's kind of contradicting itself. I mean if you thing that a the concept of an all mighty god who is full of grace and wisdom and is the source of the concept of morality which not only Christians or believers hold, as even Frank Turek have said many times, and so as a Christian you most likely also believe that the concept of a god who create billions of people only so the can live a little and then spend eternity in torment since they have "chosen" to do so is morality at its best. If eternal suffering is good, how can abortion be bad ? I would really like to see how you answer this.
@@AmirBasson eternal suffering isn't good. I hope people don't choose eternal suffering but nonetheless most do
Nobody choose eternal suffering. Choosing mean you know the consequences or the optional consequences of your actions. It is like saying that if someone is killed or gets crippled by a drunk driver it is his fault and thus he deserved to be die or be crippled for the rest of his life since he chose to drive at a given road.. Are you really that dumb ? God did not have to create hell in first place.
Is there any circumstance where you pro life people would support a woman in having an abortion ?
Does anyone worry about the1000s of foetus that miscarry everyday ... due to gods design ?
Does anyone notice that we live in a fallen world?
NR Ramirez
What makes you think that ?
Mick Q look at all the evil in the world, God’s design is perfect but he took that away, because of sin, we have to pay the consequences.
NR Ramirez
Yes , there is suffering in the world
There is also lots of kindness and good
Mick Q bad people brings forth bad fruit, which brings suffering.
This man just committed suicide.
What a ghastly human being this man is.
Which one?
This was a silly comment on his part. He speaks of equality and yet by taking away the option of abortion you by default force women to give birth against their will. This is even more pronounced with rape victims. Minute though the number of rape victims may be it is still a relevant factor. I don't quite see how forcing women, rape or otherwise to give birth against their will is equality.
So for all who think that god is against killing babies:
1. God designed women to flush up to 80% of fertilized eggs...moment of conception...into the garbage.
2. God commanded the murder of children and babies
3. God shouldn't have to "see" if Abraham would be loyal because god is supposed to be all knowing. It was a cruel and heartless thing to do to command a father to kill his child
4. The bible never mentions abortion
5. God killed MANY children and babies...all Egyptian firstborn...just because Ramses was stubborn. God killed babies because Ramses wouldn't let the Israelites go.
First
that’s what she said.
I can do all things
The first shall be last.
Bors de Ganys Just havin some fun. Chill bro. 🙏
Well then he alrighty lost his argument, a fetus and embryos is not a human being. They are fundamentally two difference things that's why we called them difference. I can understand concerns over late term abortion but before viability you guys are essentially trying to save goo
What is the purpose of an abortion?
If you look up the definition of both fetus and embryo, they're both defined as unborn babies/offsprings. They're just at different stages of development. Still human.
@@REDvellvett You are exactly right! Thank you!
After conception it is a human being with its own distinct DNA. It is not the mother's or the father's. It is developing and will continue until he or she dies. Hopefully of old age. Just because it is in his or her beginning stages of life does not make him or her any less human and worthy of respect than anyone else. Unless you believe in evolution then its the survival of the fittest and who cares? But if you believe that we are all made in the image of God, like the word of God tells us, then abortion is nothing less than murder.
That's identical to referencing an infant, toddler, prepubescent youth, adolescent, and elderly. They are fundamentally five "difference [sic] things that's why we called them difference [sic]". You have just proven that you have the intellect of an aphid. Your comment is living proof of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.