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Gas pedal, thumb rest, thumb ledge, it has many names but does it have many practical uses? Find out if your Sig P320, p365, Glock, Walther, CZ, etc needs one of these gizmos to shoot better in today's video!
For my CZcams manual reviewer: I am a certified instructor and range safety officer. This was safely filmed at a private range. This is an unmodified semi-automatic pistol handled by a professional. For the love of god I'm following your rules. There is no content in here that disqualifies the video as being safe for all advertisers and you know it.
#concealedcarry #glock #edc
You know... you just taught me something about my grip that no one else has ever made so obvious to me. Thank You!
What can I say? I’m here to serve 😂👍
Thanks for the analysis! I think the holster compatibility would make 90% of us not even consider it
If a subscriber didn’t send this to me, I wouldn’t even have it for that exact reason. 👍
Right!? I ain't going to dremel anymore out of my tier 1 lol
@@dakine808shooter Exactly 😂👍
The holsters offered on the manufacturer’s website are solid holsters with a lot of options and colors
@@glassmw9823 Fair enough. I was speaking more to the people (including myself) who have already invested in expensive holsters (T1C, Trex, Tenicor, Phlster, QVO, LAS, TXC, etc.) who would have to get a new one to accommodate the ledge.
I threw one on my p365 macro, that in addition to a real porting job, made all the difference in the world for me, I honestly thought that the p365 just wasn't for me, way too snappy, hard to shoot quickly. But the ledge did so much, that it made p365 my new favorite carry piece. I even shoot it in competition from time to time 😂
TLDR: Great for small guns, meh for large guns.
Great points in your video, 👌
If they can convince tier 1 Concealed to have a thumb ledge option in their customization, then they would make a lot of money.
That is very true 👍
DJ Shipley runs one.
As usual another well balanced and fair review. And you make a valid point-that a good holster is much more valuable to EDC than having the pro ledge and being forced to buy a specific off brand holster or modify ing the good one you already have.
Glad you enjoyed the review! 😎👍 I definitely agree!
That's not how it works. You realize new guns with completely new designs are made every year right? Guess what? They make hostlers for them. So if a thumb ledge is effective, hostlers will be made. It's either good or not. I feel like there is a huge gap to be filled in the pistol market pertaining to grip/handle. It's like people have just settled for it works, knowing how inferior the pistol grip is to rifles or anything you can truly get two hands on effectively. I think the thumb rest/ledge/gas pedal is the first step in to actually getting the secondary hand actually in the fight. It should and will be built into future pistols. I think this review would of gone better if he actually tried to use it instead of thinking his previous grip was as good as it gets. Its not like 4 eyes is Jerry Miculek, he can definitely learn some new things to get better. We all need additional skills.
This why I tell my younger bro now a days not to fight or get anything with anyone in the streets these days… if you see this nerdy dude around you would never in a million years know he is packing a decked out pistol and knows how to shoot. Everyone has a gun on then these days in this country, don’t underestimate anybody.
Great advice 👍
With the Glocks you can create a ledge by cutting into the frame. The accelerator cuts are 100 percent worth it. The thumb ledge can save bad trigger pulls if your pushing in and down with your thumb.
I fully support ledges and accelerator cuts 👍 I enjoy having options.
I really like the DPM guide rod. Theyre great for high pressure rounds.
Agreed 👍
That G48 looks absolutely ridiculous now, I love it. 🤣 I can't say I ever considered buying one of these ledges, and still don't plan to, but the info is insightful and valuable. And the memes are on point, as always.
I’m not even kidding, this G48 has become one of my favorites. You simply can’t miss with it, it’s hilarious 😂 Glad you enjoyed the memes 👍
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I've had the same pro ledge attachment on my 365 (XL/Macro, whatever you want to call it at this point lol) and I've found the exact same type of usefulness as you do, 0%. The bit in the video about over-driving with your support hand is something that I find myself doing now, too, but I can't tell if it's purely the ledge or not. The only difference in my experience with it on a Sig and you on the 48 is that the rail actually does rip skin off the base of my thumb. The Wilson Combat XL grip I have is likely smaller than your 48, but my thumb rests at the end up the ledge and the small bit towards the backend (nearest the grip) is what rubs my hand until I've gotten blisters because of it. Nice video, keep up the great work!
Thanks for sharing your experience 👍 Glad you enjoyed the vid!
I appreciate the honesty on this channel
Always! 😎👍 Glad you enjoyed!
Picked this up for my carry p365 and ordered up my holster from mckinatec and can’t wait for it! I plan to get their sidecar version to go along with my t1c holster! I enjoyed having it on my p365 though, didn’t think to try it on others lok
I think you would enjoy the antimatter wing for the tlr7 sub in the G48. Its much larger but folds
It definitely has my attention 👍
Hey Brett,
Just found your channel and want to say thanks for making such awesome videos. I can’t stand most gun channels these days because they are filled with tactical Tim’s. Yours is very insightful and down to earth.
We also have similar taste and I am feeling a mutual love for Metal Gear (It can’t be!). I currently carry a Staccato CS but your videos of the XC make me regret selling mine so much. Also, greet videos for the T1C Axis and their EDC-S belt. You’re spot on. The Axis is hands down the best appendix holster you can buy and the EDC-S review was spot on. I put that belt on and wondered where it had been all my life.
Thanks again for the great videos. Great channel and great information. Hope your popularity grows and grows.
Hey! I’m glad you’ve been enjoying the channel! 👍
Definitely sounds like we have similar taste! I try to make my channel (…just like one of my Japanese animes!) From Metal Gear to Staccatos to T1C, you know what’s up! 😎
The channel seems to be growing a lot this year, so I’m looking forward to what the future holds! If you ever want to b.s. about nerdy stuff or guns you can always hit me up on Insta DMs or Patreon (or just pop into the comments on my videos) It’s always nice finding someone with crossover interests 🤙
I just shelled out over $200 (taxes/shipped) for Odin Armory's sentinal folding + spring loaded 2011 slide release replacement thumb rest for my Bul Armory SAS2 EDC. I feel dirty paying that, but it immensely saves headaches with holsters. He makes 1 for the p320 as well, but ni other models sadly. He should really expand his compatibilites (and drop his price lol)
I custom made my own kydex holster to run my Canik MC9 + tandemkross rail mounted thumb ledge. It was a fun project, but not something your average fellow CCW'er is going to do
I got one on my Macro. And it took 3 minutes with dremil to make it fit in my werkz holster… I actually love shooting with it. Great reference point to create my grip faster. 🤙🏽for 32.00$ you can’t beat it.
Very nice! I’m glad you were able to do surgery on your holster and make it work 👍
M6? May need your help lol
@@ZTallant90 I have the m6 holster 🤷🏽♂️
You are the man love that you told them it didn’t help you at all that’s how I feel about that kind of stuff but who knows maybe it does help some one
You know me, I keep it real 🤷♂️👍
You're the first person I've seen online with the same EDC set up as me. Big 48 mos
Nice! I love the G48 longboi 😂👍
I just don’t install a wml and place my offhand fore finger on the front of my trigger guard to mitigate muzzle rise in a forward thumbs grip while locking my wrists. It’s actually really effective keeping the gun flat while shooting strings and faster getting back on target after each shot. The Euro team CZ competitive shooters use this technique.
Nothing wrong with that 😎👍 Many talented shooters grip their guns that way to great effect!
I just thrown on a couple stirps of talon grip pros on the front dust cover and call it a day. Same function, but can still use holster. Don't use WML since my 43X/48 is non-MOS. I use WML for 'DUTY' sidearms (G19 and above). My XMacro has a WML (BALDR-Mini GL), but that's night stand or if I know I"m going into the Badlands....
Haha! Right on! 😎👍
Quickly becoming my fav YT channel
Right on, glad you’re enjoying! 😎👍
Not my Jam, but I Love 1911 Pistols. I do own 12 Glocks, but that are almost all completely stock. Stay Safe Mr.
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You know how kids are these days with their plastic guns and techno-trinkets 😂 But, Glocks are definitely good to go in their stock configurations 😎
I think it's mostly to help with recoil and it would be hard for you to see a performance difference with that compensator on there. It would be interesting to see if you would see a difference without that.
I use weapon lights as a thumb ledge. I've literally bought a light just to use it as a thumb ledge.
2 birds, 1 stone 👍
I did that and it's great recoil management. Plus you get the lights on "automatically".
But I find it hard to not over do it and induce other errors.
I have never seen that on a pew lol... interesting. But then the holster search would be forever 🤣😅😂
Interesting for sure… but I’m not willing to play that holster game 😅
Dude basically said the thumb ledge didn’t help because i didn’t use it.
When did I say I didn’t use it? 🤔 I literally tried it with my thumb on the ledge and with my normal grip and saw zero difference on target or timer.
I’m glad I never jumped on the craze. Never did see the need.
Agreed 👍 You weren’t missing out on much. 🤷♂️😅
QVO tactical makes great holsters with this ledge
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Great point on holster compatibility. Seems like a good training tool.
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Personally, the first time i shot a handgun with one installed ( an customers agency custom in 2015) I noticed a big difference, im all for it.
But i think its gonna have to be a factory option.
If I could find a holster it would be a definite go for me.
Yep, if one of my favorite holster makers accommodated this… I’d be inclined to keep it on there.
"Pretty dope" as the kids are saying nowadays. Liked.
😂👍 Radical!
I think the ledge works great on smaller guns like the 365 xl. I use it in a mckinatec holster
Nice 👍
We need to see a vid on that 48!!
Just have a few more product reviews to knock out, then the G48 vid is coming! 👍
Thumb ledge on a p365 is pretty nice
A thumb ledge on any gun is pretty nice 👍
lol dint sub till i saw you shoot. i tripped. then realized i had the speed at 1.5.. still pretty fast at 1.0 tho- subd
Welcome to the channel 😎👍
Helps alot with larger rounds like 45
I bought it and the screw that mounts the ledge and light broke off from the pressure of me pushing down on constantly . Not a bad product but just something else that could break
Thanks for sharing your experience, good to know!
Good review. I have watched a few reviews of the Pro Ledge, however, all have failed to mention the material it is made of, including the Tactical Development web site. My guess is that it is polymer, but, unless someone tells me, I could assume it is made from a piece of aluminum. If polymer, it would afford me the opportunity to quite possibly modify it a little. Polymer or aluminum?
It is polymer 😎👍
Thumb ledges? Buddy, I take offense to that. Be respectful and call them by their proper name: tactical thumb stools.
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I can do the dicken drill with a P365 in 5 seconds, and only with this ledge. I designed a version that works with any holster and I can now do the dicken drill in 4.5 seconds with that, although it is an XL grip.
I think that you would have a different experience with it on a P365, and if you slightly altered your grip forward. I grip it almost like a carbine, with my offhand index finger wrapping around the light and I am squeezing/torquing that hand.
I bet you could do the Dicken drill in the same time without it.
@@NightwoodGuns I can’t. I have learned to shoot well enough with a traditional modern grip, but my performance is not as good. You are almost assuredly a better shooter than me - what is your dicken drill time? I have never seen anyone do faster than 5 seconds, and I am doing it with a P365 - only because of the ledge.
Glad I came across your comment. After getting a P365, ledge, and TLR-7 sub, I also found myself changing from a traditional grip to the carbine-like grip you described, with support hand more forward and index finger wrapped around the underside of the light.
My support thumb still slips off the ledge after each shot though. Did you ever experience this issue early on?
@@meflowerI dremelled mine to have more of a ledge - I didn’t have any slippage after that. That said, I did design the Antimatter Wing, which is so large that you can’t slip off it at all. That and it works in standard holsters, because it disappears automatically when holstering it.
I have a Black Steel on my G48 and an Antimatter on my P. Love them but that's just me...
No offense, but you are incredibly skilled. How does it help beginners?
Mass Effect bro.
Shepard… 🐢
Great stuff as always Brett, keep it up!!
Glad you enjoyed, thanks! 😎👍
Good info and delivery
I’m glad you enjoyed 👍
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Hey Brett, I’d like to see a comparison of Glock 19 and Glock 45 and their roles. I’m still debating on one of the two.
I went with the 45 and prefer it because it can flex into a duty role as well as concealed. The 19 isn’t remarkably easier to conceal imo. If it is for edc I would recommend something around the shield plus size. I aiwb the 45 everyday with a tlr1 and I definitely have to have specific t shirts that let me conceal it.
Thanks for the video suggestion! I might just do that. If you are between the G19 and the G45 it will boil down to your body size/type and your intent with the pistol. If it’s concealed carry: it depends on whether or not your body type/wardrobe/carry position can hide the G45 grip length. Other than that, the grip selection is personal preference. People with bigger hands typically prefer the G45. But I might do a full video on the subject 👍
Would like to see a gas pedal for my Tanfoglio Stock Master!!!
That would be awesome 👍
Respectfully, not agreed! this is not a luxury or cool-factor upgrade, in fact it's a major improvement for many pistols/Users. Please be wise about some of the pointless hateful comments here. Also don't rush to buy it. you have to research and understand the purpose and usage of it first. This is not a user independent part like compensators. This highly depends to the user ergonomics; meaning no body can decide it for you. Understand and keep in mind these factors: your hand size, skin condition in stress (sweaty, greasy, ...), pistol size, location and angle of the thumb-rest, even the usage (EDC, Tactical, competition) etc. Then you can find the proper thumb rest and practice with it if it applicable for you/pistol. I have it on ALL my EDCs, cost me a lot but worth every penny.
@@kenbee7432 Sweet, I’m glad they work well for you 👍
i thought i had an idea with this but it seems that tactical devolpment has already done it
You were beaten to the punch, as they say. Perhaps you could come up with a bolt-on cup holder instead? 😅
good details, thank you very much.
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lol I feel targeted by that scene with oj 😅😂
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Is that a Herrington Arms comp for gen 5s? I have the flush fitting on my 43x MOS and I'm waiting on the new HC95 for my G45. Great company.
Yep! It’s the HC43 and it’s awesome. Especially in conjunction with a DPM system 👍
If you have any skill with your hands, the heat gun modification is easy to do on an existing holster. If you change carry guns like socks and rely on reselling everything maybe its a problem but for everyone else theres no reason to be squeamish.
Definitely doable 👍
Will you be doing any shotgun reviews anytime soon, particularly the one in the background?
The shotgun in the background is a hint of things to come 😉👍
Great review!
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That DPM though!
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@@NightwoodGuns I went off your suggestion on the DPM and combined with other minor modifications it's made my daily carry g45 feel more like a race gun. I'm like you in the way that if I can get that extra little bit of performance out of my gun I'll spend the money. It's not like the g45 has much recoil to begin with but with the afterburner and DPM and some minor trigger work is a hole in hole gun. I liked the set up so much that I built an identical one but put the relatively new eotech EFLX on it but excluded the comp
@@jessee6885 That’s awesome to hear! Yeah, my G45 and G48 are absolute beasts with the comps/triggers/DPM systems. Like you said, it makes them feel like race guns 😂 Those upgrades really do add up and make a difference!
Wonder how much heating it would take well all the holster maker have such good warranty that you could just break it if didnt like just hopefully people wont take advantage of that and do it right .
Valid points. I was struggling to find a take down one for M&p to try out the fad; so I just made one myself.
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fire up the heat gun my boys!!!
The $19 Harbor Freight special! 🔥
Is that a remington marine magnum leaning there?
Good eye! I’ve had it since 2006, so it’s an OG pre-Freedom Group 😎👍
@@NightwoodGuns very nice, man. Heard about the QC shenanigans and went mossberg. Got their 590a1 in marinecote. I gotta say these silvery finishes on 12 ga pumps is badass.
Yep, after Remington was bought out in ‘07 it went downhill big time. You made the right choice, Mossberg is the way to go! 🙌
you been using any aftermarket magazines with the 48?
as well as what is your choice of holster with a compensator on one?
I use OEM mags. And I have used a Summit Holster El Capitan and a Tier 1 Concealed Axis Elite 👍 Both are great but I prefer the Tier 1. Just make sure to request an open bottom to allow a compensator.
An off topic question for NG (and anyone willing to chime in)… what are your thoughts on the Sig P238? I remember you had issues with a 938 long ago. For 380 carry I alternate between a Kahr P380 and a Ruger LCP version 1.5 but I now want an all metal pocket/IWB carry 380 but am hesitant from reading about the varied issues people have experienced.
I had a P238 Equinox before my CZcams days that never functioned properly despite being sent in to Sig twice. That was also probably in 2013, though. So unless things have changed, I don’t recommend it. The only .380s I have are two Prescott, AZ made LCPs that run reliably. I’ve only had bad experiences with the newer Mayodan, NC LCPs. Unfortunately for an all steel pocket .380 the P238 is the only game in town so you might have to roll the dice on it. Unless you can find a used Rohrbaugh R380 in good condition. It seems most modern .380s are bigger, plastic guns (Shield EZ, P365 380, etc)
@@NightwoodGuns, thanks for your input. I think I’ll likely stay away from it. I’d rather not risk getting a lemon.
@@clplusp8762 I agree 👍
Great vids, what watch are you wearing in this?
It’s a Tag Heuer Carrera Calibre 👍
What magazine baseplate are you using?
Milspin 👍
I'll be impressed when our guns come with ottomans, headrests and heated back and neck massagers...
Can’t wait! 🤣👍
What magwell and extended mag
Empire Katana V3 magwell and a Milspin weighted basepad.
Sweet
I just came upon this video and noticed you like scale figures and anime/japanese merch. My man. Two expensive hobbies. Don't tell me you're also into computer hardware too?
Good to find someone else of culture around here 😂👍 And no, luckily I haven’t gotten into computer hardware yet. I’m not sure I could survive another expensive hobby 😭
Hey, i know this is off topic but can you suggest any other good outdoor ranges or areas to shoot in the west valley beside driving north to go to ben averys?
Cowtown Range is the best, but it’s private and even further out than Ben Avery. Other than those, it’s slim pickings. Rio Salado is east of Mesa. So the only other option would be Phoenix Rod and Gun.
"Your thumps don't do shit" - Modern Samurai project
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Have you ever had issues with the EPS Carry fogging up on you?
Nope, but I'm also in AZ with zero humidity. As long as it doesn't fog on the inside it's normal. A little big of anti-fog spray stops normal fogging on red dots.
@@NightwoodGuns that's what im worried about. With the 507k you can wipe both sides, but with the EPS Carry you can only wipe the outside
Practical analysis
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Sonny, your mother is coming for a visit - she wants to surprise you, but I’m giving you a heads up so you can clean up the place: put your Playboy collection away, stash the Peruvian marching partner, get Lola the pole-dancer a motel room for the weekend…..
It’s too short of notice. I can’t possibly hide this many women before she arrives. 😅
@@NightwoodGuns Lucky for you I told Mom you had applied to medical school and got accepted so you are busy this weekend.
You are a true nerd if you had a rubber sleeve on your pencils, lol.😅 Did you also have a plastic pocket protector, essentially a holster for you pencils and pens? J/k 😂
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I want what OJ was having , but ATF would frown on it , they are such party poopers .
Same 🤣 The ATF is the consummate party-pooping government agency.
Do you have a coupon code for TD?
Unfortunately I do not, sorry man
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The pedal is dope.👍
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Can’t even shout the person out lol
Some people don’t want to be shouted out 🤷♂️
Incluso hay una leyenda que el eterno.lo.perdono y le dio un segunda oportunidad para que predicara el mesaje de arrepentí
Iento como testi.onoo de lo que el Hiso pero no quiso sino que peleó con más fuerza siendo derrotado x mijhael y yashua cayendo a la tierra vendisiones
Handguns are made to be shot with one hand. There is also nothing wrong with muzzle rise, accuracy is final and the trick is to get back on target, not stay on target. Handguns do this on their own when the slide cycles. With practice and proper tuning, a semi auto will be back on target as soon as the slide finishes cycling no matter how much muzzle rise there is.
Nothing you said is incorrect. Adding things like comps/ports can make things a little easier, but the thumb ledge is a stretch for me.
@@NightwoodGuns I think it's a great idea but should be kept on a race/competition gun, not a SD. Not that it can't be used for SD, but chances are it won't be and only creates a snag point. Training with it will take away from training one handed which is highly likely for a SD situation to turn out as well as having to fire from an improper stance or from retention. I also only practice 1 handed draws by using my thumb to lift my shirt. If I do have 2 hands available to draw it will be easy enough to do so without training for it.
what are you 12?
That’s creepy of you to ask.
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Hey, gunslinger! Nice unnecessary comp that really doesn’t do anything for you.
Cool doesn’t mean better. Because you can’t make a good product work on your own, without someone else doing the work for you, doesn’t make it wrong.
By the way,most holsters work with this item with no mods. They just work better if you put a little effort in yourself.
This comment reads like the drunken ramblings of an elder with a brain disorder. But, thanks for your input. 😂
@@NightwoodGuns great deflection. Still didn’t answer the allegations.
I apologize that I’m from a generation that is willing to modify to get the most out of a product instead of throwing it away.
Sincerely, completely sober.
@@mikejmardis I honestly didn’t know how to respond, I wasn’t sure what you were trying to say 😂 If you can’t shoot well without the thumb ledge I don’t know what to tell you. I was raised by a generation that taught me “it’s the Indian, not the arrow” No need to modify a holster when it doesn’t have an objective increase on performance 🤷♂️
This video was like a Leslie Neilsen take on a gun part review video. Blah, blah, chill, blah, shoot, yada, yada, yada, yeah, yeah, and more blah...
And the poindexter glasses... For Real, dude?
@@BStott I need them to see… so yeah. For real, d00d 🤙
Please stop using word "Gas Pedal". Gas Pedal® is registered trademark that can only be used by manufacturer. And you obviously dont know the purpose or technique of opposable grip which makes shooting much easier. Lots of misinformation. You should learn what you are talking about first.
It’s like calling a tissue “Kleenex” or a bandage a “Band-aid” It’s just going to happen. Take a chill pill. If you understand more about shooting technique than me, then you should easily be able to clear the Tier 1 Concealed Three-Sevens drill on camera like I did. Upload that video to your channel and I’ll give you a public apology.
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