You're welcome. Unfortunately, I think the secret is starting to get out. I was back there in 2019, and in the six years between then and when this video was made I noticed some marked deterioration. I didn't see any new graffiti, but there was trash, and a lot of new "social trails." In this age of the internet and social media, I'm not sure how we protect remote sites like this one.
In the name Sinagua, the G is silent, as in the Spanish word for water, Agua= pronounced Ah'wah. Thus, Sinagua is pronounced Seen ah'wah. It was the name given by the Spanish for the people without water: the name contained the word for water.
Actually in the word "agua" the g is not silent at all. Ask as many Latinos from as many different Spanish speaking countries as you need to for confirmation.
You should check out the second video in the series: "Searching for Ancient Ruins near Sedona, Arizona." Let me know if that's the one you are talking about.
@@ArizonaRuins The past several years all the idiots have been creating their own pictographs all around the ancient ones, kind of ruined the positive energy there...
I didn't see 'Bubba,' but it may be there. There is fair amount of graffiti there, some of it quite old. For example, at 4:30 you can see the name 'Purtymun' in the upper right. The Purtymuns were an historic Oak Creek family, who circa 1896, built a trail that still bears their name from Oak Creek Canyon up to the Mogollon Rim. You can find their names carved into ruins and rocks all over the Sedona area.
ArizonaRuins How do we know that some of those weren't made by a disrespectful modern visitor with a stick of white chalk? Or the crude charcoal drawings over the top of the older, defacing historic evidence? I find it hard to believe that older civilizations would have drawn over the top of previous and more ancient pictographs. With the size of the rock wall being what it is, I believe they would have chosen another spot, rather than draw over the top of them. That sounds more like a disrespectful modern arrogant fool's action.
Well, there certainly is some modern graffiti there, as you can see from the video. I suppose it's possible someone would go to the trouble of faking some pictographs, but that seems unlikely. The only way to tell for sure would be by testing the age of the pigments using, for example, carbon-14 dating or some other cosmogenic dating technique. As far as I know, no one has done that for this site. As for ancient peoples being more respectful of each other's art, I don't think we can make that conclusion. There's no reason to think the prehistory around there was any less chaotic than in, say, Europe during the middle ages. Different groups came and went all the time, and may have had a poor opinion of--or great antipathy toward--those they replaced. Thanks for taking the time to write though. I'm working on more videos to post shortly.
Thanks for your reply. I'm glad you'll have new videos soon; I noticed you only had 2. I did post this one to my large Arizona playlist; I would have rather posted the other, but it had some foul language that I didn't want in my family-friendly playlist. I've been including only quality and clean pieces for the viewing pleasure of those that love Arizona or that want to learn more about this amazing region. I know that you were surprised when you looked down to see the cliff-dwelling, but in the future, thanks for remembering the word " Wow", as opposed to those words not appropriate for children's ears. I'm sure there will be many that will truly enjoy your interesting videos.
@@ArizonaRuins - Pictographs are very hard to fake - the original artists used powdered minerals for colors and binders like animal fat and plant oils. Modern jackasses with chalk and charcoal would make images that have zero patina and wash right off. Not saying it can't be done, but assholes and vandals tend to be both dumb and lazy...
@@ArizonaRuins - As for indigenous people putting images on top of older images - it's been done all through time and all over the world. The ancients didn't necessarily think as we do - putting your image over another needn't be disrespectful at all - it might be a way showing deep respect, in fact, a form of communicating with those long gone, or a way of drawing power from older images - since most places where there are images were thought to be places of power to begin with...
Not sure what you're getting at. "Red Rock Secret Mountain Wilderness" is the official USDA Forest Service name for the area. You can find it on a map. I don't reveal the exact location because well-publicized sites tend to get destroyed fairly quickly by vandalism , looting and graffiti. Plus, sleuthing out where they are is half the fun!
Really do love these videos.
Great stories and scenery. Thanks!
Thank you for not disclosing the location! It’s beautiful and remains so without tourists ✊✨❤️
You're welcome. Unfortunately, I think the secret is starting to get out. I was back there in 2019, and in the six years between then and when this video was made I noticed some marked deterioration. I didn't see any new graffiti, but there was trash, and a lot of new "social trails." In this age of the internet and social media, I'm not sure how we protect remote sites like this one.
Been there, beautiful site. Plan on spending the day if you find it.
thanks for taking me along
I love the this video wow amazing......would love to visit Sinagua.
It was like I was there. Thanks guys.
Thank you forshering. with gretings from Denmark👌☕💞
Thanks for sharing, nice vid
Great Video guys
I m glad they are well hidden.👍
Looks like a nice mix of pictographs and petroglyphs
Great explorers!
Indiana ?
Very fine video - quality camera work, good pace, great images. Thanks!
In the name Sinagua, the G is silent, as in the Spanish word for water, Agua= pronounced Ah'wah. Thus, Sinagua is pronounced Seen ah'wah. It was the name given by the Spanish for the people without water: the name contained the word for water.
Actually in the word "agua" the g is not silent at all. Ask as many Latinos from as many different Spanish speaking countries as you need to for confirmation.
That's cool
GREAT MUDFOSSILS TOO
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Been there many times. Just up the main valley there is a nice cliff dwelling up on the left side...
You should check out the second video in the series: "Searching for Ancient Ruins near Sedona, Arizona." Let me know if that's the one you are talking about.
What trail is this at I live near Sedona love our native history here in Arizona.
@@alanfelix527 Time after time...these people posting these vids will tempt you with interesting content...and never reveal where they were....
@@ArizonaRuins The past several years all the idiots have been creating their own pictographs all around the ancient ones, kind of ruined the positive energy there...
Am a local, thanks for not giving directions to this site.
...easily worked up from an internet search...kinda sad really...
Great Video Thank you . Hey did I see the word Bubba when you first got there ? The first views when you started getting close ?
I didn't see 'Bubba,' but it may be there. There is fair amount of graffiti there, some of it quite old. For example, at 4:30 you can see the name 'Purtymun' in the upper right. The Purtymuns were an historic Oak Creek family, who circa 1896, built a trail that still bears their name from Oak Creek Canyon up to the Mogollon Rim. You can find their names carved into ruins and rocks all over the Sedona area.
Great info The Arizona Ruins Team know Things ! Thanks again
That kinda looks like hippy stoner art. Drum circle anyone?
Looks like an area where Walter White would set up his meth lab
Thanks for that truly brilliant comment...
ArizonaRuins How do we know that some of those weren't made by a disrespectful modern visitor with a stick of white chalk? Or the crude charcoal drawings over the top of the older, defacing historic evidence? I find it hard to believe that older civilizations would have drawn over the top of previous and more ancient pictographs. With the size of the rock wall being what it is, I believe they would have chosen another spot, rather than draw over the top of them. That sounds more like a disrespectful modern arrogant fool's action.
Well, there certainly is some modern graffiti there, as you can see from the video. I suppose it's possible someone would go to the trouble of faking some pictographs, but that seems unlikely. The only way to tell for sure would be by testing the age of the pigments using, for example, carbon-14 dating or some other cosmogenic dating technique. As far as I know, no one has done that for this site. As for ancient peoples being more respectful of each other's art, I don't think we can make that conclusion. There's no reason to think the prehistory around there was any less chaotic than in, say, Europe during the middle ages. Different groups came and went all the time, and may have had a poor opinion of--or great antipathy toward--those they replaced. Thanks for taking the time to write though. I'm working on more videos to post shortly.
Thanks for your reply. I'm glad you'll have new videos soon; I noticed you only had 2. I did post this one to my large Arizona playlist; I would have rather posted the other, but it had some foul language that I didn't want in my family-friendly playlist. I've been including only quality and clean pieces for the viewing pleasure of those that love Arizona or that want to learn more about this amazing region. I know that you were surprised when you looked down to see the cliff-dwelling, but in the future, thanks for remembering the word " Wow", as opposed to those words not appropriate for children's ears. I'm sure there will be many that will truly enjoy your interesting videos.
@@ArizonaRuins - Pictographs are very hard to fake - the original artists used powdered minerals for colors and binders like animal fat and plant oils. Modern jackasses with chalk and charcoal would make images that have zero patina and wash right off. Not saying it can't be done, but assholes and vandals tend to be both dumb and lazy...
@@ArizonaRuins - As for indigenous people putting images on top of older images - it's been done all through time and all over the world. The ancients didn't necessarily think as we do - putting your image over another needn't be disrespectful at all - it might be a way showing deep respect, in fact, a form of communicating with those long gone, or a way of drawing power from older images - since most places where there are images were thought to be places of power to begin with...
RED ROCK "SECRET MOUNTAIN"... there ya go for anyone who wants to know but hates losers who try to keep places to themselves
Not sure what you're getting at. "Red Rock Secret Mountain Wilderness" is the official USDA Forest Service name for the area. You can find it on a map. I don't reveal the exact location because well-publicized sites tend to get destroyed fairly quickly by vandalism , looting and graffiti. Plus, sleuthing out where they are is half the fun!
@@ArizonaRuins dude its on the az national forest site lmao... that's sluething?? i could find it right now online hahaha
My pal made those 9 years ago to fool the tourists... lol for real no joke.
Lol well maybe it be super awesome in 1000 years
LOL ;) Possibly
Shit bag for marking up anything on those walls if you did