Update: I did not get the Adios or Pro and the Speed with insoles got me injured. So after more research ditched the insoles and focused on the shoe. Went with the Nike Zoom Fly 4 and had the best long run of my life, even though I'm not in BQ shape at the moment. Heavy but the new upper updates make it the (almost) perfect stability marathon shoe, especially if you use VaporFly for shorter distances. Everyone is hating on this shoe so I'm spreading the gospel to get more stability users to consider this as an option for long distance racing.
Such a great topic idea for those who can't just run in anything. Also liking the two heads instead of three sometimes, makes it flow a little better and must be easier for you guys too.
Great discussion! I appreciate you making that video. There are not a lot of racing shoes available if you pronate or have flat feet. The only shoes I'm comfortable with are the Adidas Adizero Pro and the Adizero Adios Pros V1/V2. Both are stable enough for me to run. All the other shoes out there are bother my ankles.
@@jaymueller2418 I know your pain. I’ve dealt with Post Tib injuries for years. There’s not much you can do until it heals. Pick up a nice massage gun and work your calf. KT tape helps too. In the meantime, I would opt for a good stability shoe. As for the trainers, the Boston 10s, Zoomfly 4s & 5s work for me.
to be honest, as a GREAT supinator, adidas adizero adios pro 2 is really stable for me. my leg need to alittle more collapse in the inside and it feel a little soft to so it not whacking my leg after HM kilometer. it will be the first marathon supershoes for me too
Great discussion, I am considering the adizero pro as I really don’t like high stacks, I find they exaggerate the effect of road camber. Just concerned the cushioning might not quite be enough for the full marathon.
Bought the Carbon X, Rocket X and Endorphin Speed...then ran my first marathon yesterday in my daily trainer the Asics Glideride 🤔😁 went past a fair few supershoes in the end!
Personally for Marathon running I'm going to try out the Saucony Tempus, and either the Evoride 3 or Noosa Tri 14, alongside the Alphafly which I find surprising stable for my needs.
@@marceloago9862 any thoughts on the edge+ ? i have been using the asics evoride 2 and i feel the closest shoe with the exception with the higher drop (8 vs 5 )is the edge+.
@@peterkirktenor hi peter. i too have been using the evoride and noosa which are practically identical. i previously came from arahi 3/4 and the kayano lite 2. Would you still say the nike is a good contender? my quick review of the edge+ is that it is similar to the evoride and noosa in terms of characteristics. thoughts?
Great discussion, I got the Adios Pro 2 and it worked well for the marathon with my pronation and knees. I like training faster runs with the Nike Tempo Next %, any experience with the Alphafly?
Great topic. Thanks. Medical type of question. Why do I run faster and ENJOY running when the road is going up (moderate incline). ALL my injuries have been running down hill which I hate.. I always prefer the way up. Like it is good for my knees etc.. I am senior citizen and run for fun (jogging?) about 50km per week. 🙏🏻
Hello I'm a truck driver and somewhat overweight trying to start walking some and my shins and hips start bothering me after 20 minutes or so what shoes would you suggest for someone with low to no arch
Being a slower runner and heavy runner, which has goal of 5:38/km maraton pace I have experienced Vaporfly being to soft and unstable. I experience Adios Pro 2 being better, firmer heal (a positive). But a little over to supination. But my main question is 40 mm being too high when being in these slower paces. I am considering trying a shoe like Takumi Sen 8 which is firmer, and just 33 mm (But maybe more in my size 46 size). I have all my PBs in shoes 33 mm or lower.
This discussion was focused on the fastest marathon shoes for those with stability needs. For many though, it is very true that these shoes will be solid choices to help get you from point A to point of B of a marathon. We wanted to tackle a question that we got often about specifically shoes for racing faster times though.
What if we have moderate to severe? I have had a lot of sprains throughout my life and my I tend to roll my ankle just walking and sometimes even just standing.
Not a fun response, but whichever is more comfortable to you as they both can handle it. There’s the more traditional 29 post and more guided 30. The 30 is less intrusive which may be good if post have been a problem for you long term.
I forgot: why not the alphafly for stability Agree with comment below: adios pro is a terrible choice for first timer. Terrible (non) upper. I really respect you guys but adios pro 2?
Thanks for making this video. I've been trying different shoes to replace the Nike Lunarglide which gave me my fastest Marathon. Tried Vaporfly with insoles but legs hurt after a fast 16 miles and had a fast half with Zoom Fly 3 with Curex insoles. I also had fast marathons/half in the former Structure's. But would like to race without an insole in a super shoe and neither the FLY's are an option. Wondering if super shoes are not for a #bigbonedflatfootedrunner and was curious about going back to a trainer. My next Marathon attempt is going to be in the Speed 1 with insoles but I might have to try the Adidas or Pro 2 for a non-insole super shoe.
Oh, my elite girlfriend is doing the Pro 2's at Chicago as a fun marathon tommorrow... I should follow up with her. But she runs in all shoes (except Kayano Lite) in professional orthotics.
@@chandraramamoorthy871for myself the 40-70miles (60-110km) is the max break in time to get a feel what a EVA & TPU midsole will be like for its remaining life
Could you do a similar video now that the Endorphin Pro 3 and Adios Pro 3 are released? I pronate in the Vaporfly and Novablast v1/v2, but not so much in the Sky. Curious whether Adidas or Saucony are now the best options with stability for pronators.
Update: I did not get the Adios or Pro and the Speed with insoles got me injured. So after more research ditched the insoles and focused on the shoe. Went with the Nike Zoom Fly 4 and had the best long run of my life, even though I'm not in BQ shape at the moment. Heavy but the new upper updates make it the (almost) perfect stability marathon shoe, especially if you use VaporFly for shorter distances. Everyone is hating on this shoe so I'm spreading the gospel to get more stability users to consider this as an option for long distance racing.
Mild overpronator- the Carbon X2 have worked well for me in halfs and a full
Such a great topic idea for those who can't just run in anything. Also liking the two heads instead of three sometimes, makes it flow a little better and must be easier for you guys too.
Great to listen to you as always, hear clever things beyond the trends that washes all over the net.
Adios pro 2? Really? He is right I have to disagree :D The most unstable shoe I ever had. And I have Novablast v1 to compare.
Novablast more stable than adios pro 2??
Great discussion! I appreciate you making that video. There are not a lot of racing shoes available if you pronate or have flat feet. The only shoes I'm comfortable with are the Adidas Adizero Pro and the Adizero Adios Pros V1/V2. Both are stable enough for me to run. All the other shoes out there are bother my ankles.
Have you tried any of their trainers, as well? I’m recovering from posterior tibial tendon injury and will likely transition to stability shoes.
@@jaymueller2418 I know your pain. I’ve dealt with Post Tib injuries for years. There’s not much you can do until it heals. Pick up a nice massage gun and work your calf. KT tape helps too.
In the meantime, I would opt for a good stability shoe. As for the trainers, the Boston 10s, Zoomfly 4s & 5s work for me.
to be honest, as a GREAT supinator, adidas adizero adios pro 2 is really stable for me. my leg need to alittle more collapse in the inside and it feel a little soft to so it not whacking my leg after HM kilometer. it will be the first marathon supershoes for me too
Great discussion, I am considering the adizero pro as I really don’t like high stacks, I find they exaggerate the effect of road camber. Just concerned the cushioning might not quite be enough for the full marathon.
I don't know if you're in the US, but these have been popping up at Marshalls for $40. It would be worth a shot at that price.
@@caseypetty4721 I am in the UK, but that is good info and I hope someone else gets a bargain pair on the back of it. Thanks.
Bought the Carbon X, Rocket X and Endorphin Speed...then ran my first marathon yesterday in my daily trainer the Asics Glideride 🤔😁 went past a fair few supershoes in the end!
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Hi I know it was some months ago, but now what do you think? Is Glideride (now the 3) still the best option? Maybe metaspeed edge+?
Personally for Marathon running I'm going to try out the Saucony Tempus, and either the Evoride 3 or Noosa Tri 14, alongside the Alphafly which I find surprising stable for my needs.
@@marceloago9862 any thoughts on the edge+ ? i have been using the asics evoride 2 and i feel the closest shoe with the exception with the higher drop (8 vs 5 )is the edge+.
@@peterkirktenor hi peter. i too have been using the evoride and noosa which are practically identical. i previously came from arahi 3/4 and the kayano lite 2. Would you still say the nike is a good contender? my quick review of the edge+ is that it is similar to the evoride and noosa in terms of characteristics. thoughts?
Great discussion, I got the Adios Pro 2 and it worked well for the marathon with my pronation and knees. I like training faster runs with the Nike Tempo Next %, any experience with the Alphafly?
Great topic. Thanks. Medical type of question. Why do I run faster and ENJOY running when the road is going up (moderate incline). ALL my injuries have been running down hill which I hate.. I always prefer the way up. Like it is good for my knees etc.. I am senior citizen and run for fun (jogging?) about 50km per week. 🙏🏻
We may do a podcast talking about this!
@@DoctorsofRunning DO IT!!!
THANK YOU!!!
Hello I'm a truck driver and somewhat overweight trying to start walking some and my shins and hips start bothering me after 20 minutes or so what shoes would you suggest for someone with low to no arch
Being a slower runner and heavy runner, which has goal of 5:38/km maraton pace I have experienced Vaporfly being to soft and unstable. I experience Adios Pro 2 being better, firmer heal (a positive). But a little over to supination. But my main question is 40 mm being too high when being in these slower paces. I am considering trying a shoe like Takumi Sen 8 which is firmer, and just 33 mm (But maybe more in my size 46 size). I have all my PBs in shoes 33 mm or lower.
Whats the Pro 3 like in regards to stability?
I need that colourway so bad!
I have an odd situation re: stability that supination is my enemy I actually try to over probate slightly.
Very very interesting topic 👍
Wondering why Brooks Glycerine GTS 20 and Asics Gel Kayano 29 is not under discussion. Can you pls share your view?
This discussion was focused on the fastest marathon shoes for those with stability needs. For many though, it is very true that these shoes will be solid choices to help get you from point A to point of B of a marathon. We wanted to tackle a question that we got often about specifically shoes for racing faster times though.
What if we have moderate to severe? I have had a lot of sprains throughout my life and my I tend to roll my ankle just walking and sometimes even just standing.
Would you recommend Asics Kayano 29 or 30 for Marathon distance? I've flat over pronated feet. Thank you
Not a fun response, but whichever is more comfortable to you as they both can handle it. There’s the more traditional 29 post and more guided 30. The 30 is less intrusive which may be good if post have been a problem for you long term.
@@DoctorsofRunning thank you! Getting fitted today 😊
I forgot: why not the alphafly for stability Agree with comment below: adios pro is a terrible choice for first timer. Terrible (non) upper. I really respect you guys but adios pro 2?
Thanks for making this video. I've been trying different shoes to replace the Nike Lunarglide which gave me my fastest Marathon. Tried Vaporfly with insoles but legs hurt after a fast 16 miles and had a fast half with Zoom Fly 3 with Curex insoles. I also had fast marathons/half in the former Structure's. But would like to race without an insole in a super shoe and neither the FLY's are an option. Wondering if super shoes are not for a #bigbonedflatfootedrunner and was curious about going back to a trainer. My next Marathon attempt is going to be in the Speed 1 with insoles but I might have to try the Adidas or Pro 2 for a non-insole super shoe.
Oh, my elite girlfriend is doing the Pro 2's at Chicago as a fun marathon tommorrow... I should follow up with her. But she runs in all shoes (except Kayano Lite) in professional orthotics.
How many miles would you put on shoe before wearing it on race day?
Most nylon/PEBA based shoes can be raced straight out of the box. With EVA or TPU midsoles depends what sort of ride you like.
I am trying a couple of new shoes and wondered how many long runs I could do on them to figure out duscomfort at 18,20 miles
@@chandraramamoorthy871for myself the 40-70miles (60-110km) is the max break in time to get a feel what a EVA & TPU midsole will be like for its remaining life
Could you do a similar video now that the Endorphin Pro 3 and Adios Pro 3 are released? I pronate in the Vaporfly and Novablast v1/v2, but not so much in the Sky. Curious whether Adidas or Saucony are now the best options with stability for pronators.
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@@DoctorsofRunning awesome thanks!