CHEMICAL FREE POOL, safe, no salt? Little maintenance, not a gimmick it works!
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2023
- A chemical free or no salt pool seems almost impossible, I have been running mine for months with no issues through the heat of summer with a different type of treatment system. #pool #pooltreatment #chemicalfreepool #abovegroundpool
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UPDATE! 1 Year later and I couldn't be happier, pool stays clear and all I have to do is run my pool robot cleaner. I did just swap out the copper cartridge for the first time at $99. Looks like once a year is all I'll have to do on a changeout. I still don't run chemicals, but you should keep an eye on your PH and TDS as that benefits the system working. I still highly recommend this system, it's so easy to use.
How many gallons of water is in your pool?
@@ElectronicLab.4:08 16,000
Thanks for the great video. I’m a water chemist and we have been using silver and copper ionization in the industrial market for 20 years. It certainly works for the nations biggest hospitals. The aeration from the fountain should actually lower your pH slightly, not raise it, by producing a small amount of carbonic acid. But the biggest benefit is the buffering capacity of the carbonic acid cycle vs solely typical hydrochloric acid cycle with no intermediate ion. You’re also using a robot regularly which contributes to your crystal clear water by scrubbing up and filtering the organics before algae has a change to bloom.
Don’t discount the importance of balanced pH though, aeration and boric acid will certainly help maintain pH, but it’s imperative people check and balance their pH with muratic acid or in very rare cases soda ash. The eye stinging some people get from pools is usually not associated with chlorine but high pH.
Thank you for the information
I once tested my drinking water from a local municipality with a test strip. It had so much Chlorine it was unsafe to swim in but ok to drink! .
Wow that's wild!
No tap water is safe to drink
Thank you for putting out this video! I have been using this exact same Power Ionizer unit for 15 years on my 24' above ground pool here in coastal South Carolina and I confirm everything he says is true about it. Maintenance is nil for me other than vacuuming but I have a lot of trees and similar storms in this area but I will be looking into that robotic vac cleaner for sure! I also do not winterize or cover my pool and it stays crystal clear year round.
They absolutely work!
I used something similar in my hot tub and it worked well.
Great information and video.
Wish I could thumbs up twice....this is a topic most people dont know but NEED. Thank you for being informed and sharing that info. I like your style dude!
Much ❤ from TX
Thank you for watching! Glad it was helpful.
I have heard about them but figured it was a gimmick.
Thanks for the review.
Next spring we will be putting up our above ground pool.
Got the pool and the sand filter.
It sure sounds like a gimmick, but it's been working great.
I can see why we all love these videos, THEY ARE GOOD ! Keep them coming sir !
Thank you for watching and the support
100% man ! @@TKCL
This heat has been no joke this summer. Glad the system has been working fantastic for you. Chemical balance for pools can be a major challenge due to several factors.
I am so happy to not be using chemicals
Hi, Andrew! It’s good to see you. I enjoy the pool videos. You have helped many people to learn how to build and maintain their pool. See you later in the livestream. Notification reminder is set.
Awesome, thank you!
Outstanding video. Great information. Thanks.
Thank you for watching
I'm sure most people that want pools don't get one due to all the maintenance. Thanks for making it easier! Catch you on the live tonight and looking forward to it!! 7PM EST!
See you then
Hi Andrew, very interesting video. Always good to know. Your pool is crystal clear. 👍👍❤️❤️🇨🇦
Thank you for watching
I’m just learning to use collidal silver and I use borax when closing and it never needs anything to reopen just a day of pump running . So glad so many help teach others to use no chemicals , thank you
We struggled with the pool we had a few years back. Our local pool supplier kept saying to add all these chemicals and we were always adding, testing etc. I never heard of the copper unit. This makes me want to grab a new pool and start again! Thanks!
There's no way I don't want a pool if I had to do all that chemical back and forth mess.
Your pool looks so inviting :-) thanks for sharing. God bless.:)
We've been in it a lot!
Great video as always! I, too, am using that same ionization system here in Eastern NC. Full sun was constantly burning off my chlorine even with a good dose of stabilizer. I switched 2 years ago now with good results.
Great to hear!
That is good to hear. I didn't know about this thing but now I want one and I also live in eastern NC
Only thing i see about this is the copper system might not be able to be used by everyone. There is a medical condition called wilsons disease it is rare though
Thanks for the info Andrew. Now I want to go swimming
Just got out of the pool 😉
Sounds like great news for pool owners, nice that you shared the experience.
BTW, I as checking some crafts stuff on eBay and ran into a VEVOR things, you were right they have anything:))) Too bad they don't ship here:(((
Bummer they can't deliver to you.
Awesome content. Thanks for sharing. Love the channel. 🤠
Thank you for watching
Thank you so much for the video and being so informative. We have been replacing all toxic chemicals in our house, and I have really been bothered by the thought of our grandkids continuing to spend the summer swimming in chemicals. I have a couple of questions. We just took our winter cover off today. (Southern West Virginia) Our water is green. 😅 Do we need to get it clear before we start using this system. Also, we used Baquacil last summer. Will that matter to this system, if any of that is still remaining in the water? Thanks so much.
Good day. I like the placement of th the flag in the frame.
Hello and thanks for watching.
Have a dolphin pool cleaner that is six years old I thought it broke so I purchased another one about two years ago but then I found out I just needed a power supply so now I have two. They are very expensive but they are built like tanks 👍 FYI mine stays in the pool and runs everyday but I am surrounded by trees..
Get what you pay for when it comes to that kind of stuff
Hey brother look into peroxide for any maintenance or blooms if they do occur over chlorine. as it reacts you just get more oxygen in your water. I used to use that for my hottub and man its was nice over the other stuff.
Thanks, I'll have to look into it.
I wonder if this would work for my in ground pool? Research time, thanks for the info!
No reason it shouldn't, you probably have less water to treat than me.
Prestine Blue is a good option for temporary pools or those that don't want to replumb the pool.
That’s awesome! I appreciate the video. I’m going to get one but I’m still going to shock occasionally to break down body oils and sunblock. The acid is just to control PH so peoples eyes don’t burn and help your equipment last longer.
I think that would be a good idea.
Using a similar system, same results! ionizes are amazing! I run 1 3in chlorine tablet a week.
I love this system
Interesting... 🙂
Wow I have never heard of the Ionizer that's 1/3 the the price of my salt gen. I have the cartridge filter, sand is the way to go for sure. If I missed a past one on what you have sorry and thanks for the new one and as always great information.
Thank you for watching
I have used a solar ionizer for three years with no problem. I also use Boric Acid which levels the PH in my Phoenix Pool. I created a floating fountain using a Rule 1100GPH bilge pump to cool the water and aerate it.
How much boric acid and when? Do you use any other chemicals?
@@xq8152 I use 25 lbs for 10,000 gallons. I only add it once. For maintenance, I add a little less than 5 bls every two years due to backwashing. Boric Acid does not evaporate. I buy it from Duda Energy. The water feels softer, and it sparkles. I use less chlorine and less acid. I do not use other chemicals. The ionizer also adds a slight amount of copper, so it acts as a germicide. Before that, I was always having algae blooms.
Thanks for this video! We have above ground pool and have recently been having algae. Will be ordering one of these soon!!
Please let me know how it works out for you. Mine has made owning a pool so simple.
@@TKCL Oops...ours won't be exactly like yours. We have above ground pool, but it's not like y'all's. One of the cheaper ones. We did order a copper ionizer, but not the model you reviewed. Still, I'm hoping it helps!
@@user-sr4st9fp7tDid it help?
I use a dolphin it’s great!
So informative! Many Thanks for sharing your experienced wisdom with me! You mention a fountain that cools your pool off. Could you share that link with me here? I can't seem to find it 😱
Here is the video with links in the description.
Andrew, i had a 24' diameter pool for 12 years with the copper ionizer & it was the easiest pool i have ever taking care of. The only negative that i had with mine, was after the first year the copper stained the liner at the water level line, it was not bad but for sure is not a deal breaker.
Thank you for the long term feedback.
I came here looking for a solution to that problem. I have what looks like a black bathtub ring .
I have to say I would not own a pool without this though.
I just saw a video of this down side of this system.
Nice to know, shade sails should make a cool video 👍
Don't want to ruin my view, we love swimming at night and looking at the stars.
The nice thing too about not having to use chlorine is inhaling the fumes. I had that lap pen to me years ago went to open the container of chlorine tablets and got a lung full of fumes! Thought I was going to choke to death. That’s probably why I have breathing issues even now.
It's a nasty chemical, that's for sure.
I run my pump 24/7. Inground 20x40’. Have to buy a salt cell every 3-5 years. This might be worth checking out.
Oh wow I'd go broke if I ran mine 24/7. Sounds like you need a solar pool pump, at least it can save you a pile of money during the daytime. Feel the need to run your other pool pump you could valve into and run it at night time.
The user most probably has a variable speed pump, which can potentially consume less power running 24 hours vs a single speed pump running for 8 hours per day. @TKCL
If you use the trouble free pool method, maintenance is super light even with chemicals. We use chlorine, borax (water softener), and baking soda. Our 20x40 in ground (48k gallons) requires about 2 gallons of chlorine per week in the really hot months when we have a lot of rain and almost zero through the winter. Chlorine pucks are bad for pools if you use too many. They add stabilizer which increases your cyanuric acid levels and renders your chlorine useless. I toss a puck in a couple times a summer just to maintain a little CYA, but not much since it doesn't go down. We use a frog in our hot tub. We don't have to balance it at all. We just replace the cartridge once every 3 months and it stays perfectly balanced. No chlorine smell either.
My two children are allergic to chlorine(salt water pools have a smaller amount) in pools and have hive breakouts or rashes the color of a severe sunburn. This would be a safer/better option for them.
ionizing, aireation and ozone are the way to go.
I would like to see if there’s a pool cooler other than the fountain
There is, I'll be building one eventually 😉
2 questions, 1. Have you tried one gallon of Clorox instead of the tablets weekly. Up here in Alabama we are just about in the same temperature zones and one gallon offsets the hi price of chlorine. I have checked my water since march without any problems. I do love my Ionizer!
2. How far down did you bury your pool and what did you back fill the sides with? Thanks Mike Clark Also like the videos.
Never tried clorox. We buried about 20 inches at the deepest part and back filled with a clay/sand mixture we have here.
Hi Andrew 👋. I have the same copper system in my pool works amazing, but i decided to try salt water just to see. What i have noticed is a funny smell in our hair after using the pool. Have you guys had anything like that happen? Thank you and we love you guys, great content
Zero smell just using the ionizer. We are in the pool almost every single day.
May I ask why you chose ionizer of salt chlorine generator. I'm trying to decide which to buy for my pool
Don't want any harsh salt in my pool or chlorine. None of it is good for equipment or your skin.
I've been debating this but have read that the copper can turn light hair green similar to chlorine . Me and one of our kids have light blonde hair lol.
My friend that's had one of these for 5 years has very light blonde hair herself. She's had zero issues. What you want to do is test every so often and make sure you keep the copper at required levels.
Can you do a video on the install of this or at least give a basic idea how to install it? I love the videos by the way
Click the pool series Playlists on the channel, I showed my plumbing installation.
You still need to balance your ph or the water will pull the base or acid from your equipment water wants to be balance and it will attack your pool to do so. Other than that the copper is a sanitizer that will clean the water 8:54
Dang that's a good pool cleaner... But my old pool was sent up for saltwater and after 5 years of splashing and use the metal side supports started rusting out 🫣🫣
Yep, another reason I wanted to avoid salt.
I have seen they have solar copper ionizers and was working if you have heard anything about them or have any opinions on them?
I've looked at them myself, reviews seem decent. I hadn't planned on running one because mine is working so well. Too much copper can cause staining issues.
What do you think of the floating pool ionizers for a small pool above ground of course
Have not tried those yet.
I was wondering how often you run your filter after the initial start up? I also saw on their web site that they say to use a packet of shock every week or two. Also a quart bottle of clarifier every two weeks. Do you do that or is it ok to just run the filter alone?
I run the filter and ionizer about 8-9 hours a day during summer. I've added nothing else, I'd for try not adding the other stuff unless you see you need it.
I have the Power Ionizer on my 30’x54” above ground that we purchased in March of 2023, when we purchased it from the pool store they told us these are not completely self sufficient and it takes the place of the chlorine tablets but we still have to put 2 pounds of shock in our pool weekly and on the initial fill we had to put 2 40 pound bags of salt said it gives the copper and silver something to bind to to create the sanitizer. We run the ionizer 24/7 and usually run it on 4, we opened our pool in April for the 2024 season and have fought it for the last 4 weeks to keep it clear even using chlorinated shock it only stays clear 3-5 days. 2023 we rotated every other week with chlorinated and in-chlorinated shock and never had any issues.
Wish i had seen this before buying the salt qater generator. Im already struggling with it
1 year later and my pool is super easy to maintain.
Andrew, Another great video catch ya later on the live.
That is a great set up yo have for your lazy man's pool. Using science instead of chemicals. I am curious how does the sunscreen and stuff like that get filtered out of the pool? Have you thought about building an outdoor shower and adding an outdoor bathroom? Guest wouldn't drip water through your house when the urge hits them. That would help keep the pee out of your pool too!
Yes I do have plans for those in the future. We try to limit how much sun screen we use. So far no issues seen.
Got one have algae problem any ideas what to do ionzer is set on 3.
I never run mine below 5 or 6. You need to set it to 8 and run your pump around the clock for a few days. Use the provided test strips and go back to a lower setting only after you see copper residual on the test strips. Make sure you are cleaning your filters or back flushing. I then run my filter 1 hour a day per 10 degrees. 90 degree temperature, run for 9 hours a day with the ionizer running during that time.
Does this ionizer not leave any metals in the water? Or is everyone using products to pull the metal out?
There is a small risidual, you use copper test strips to keep it in range.
Does this work with a cartridge filter system instead of a sand filter? Thanks for the info.
It certainly should, as the filter systems only there to remove particles.
We’ve used an ionizer for two years on our 30’ pool with cartridge filter , excellent results.
Hello. So im wondering how i can lower my copper levels on my pool i have an intex 12x30 and put the ionizer you have . Now my copper levels are at 2 ppm. At what levels do you keep your pool? And how often do you run the ionizer? I have sand filter pump and I'm trying to not add any chemicals to my pool. Is it save to swimm in the pool with this much copper? I will really appreciate it your opinions since you have this ionizer and you seem to know alot.
There is adjustments on the front of the machine, up and down arrows. I typically run mine on 5 or 6. If your levels are high, go to a lower setting and monitor with the test strips. I never monitor mine to be honest, a setting of 5 or 6 running for roughly 9 hours a day is perfect for our 30ft pool. Being round we have a lot more water than you, so your results will vary.
I have flexible hoses connecting pump to pool. How would I connect this ionizer to my system?
You will need to go to a pool store and see if you can get fittings to convert the flexible hoses to PVC or fittings to adapt the ionizer.
You have a beautiful property. What general area are you in?
Thank you, we are in north Florida.
Andrew you have a submarine in your pool😂. Is that a vacuum or skimmer?
Robotic vacuum
So you don't use shock or anything at all? Just the ionizer?
Correct! Occasionally if we've had a lot of people in the pool or kids, I'll hit it with some chlorine to make me feel better.
When you hook up the ionizer is there anything special that you have to do or add?
Company does recommend weekly shock and additives, I have not added those. But I would always suggest following the manufactures recommendations.
@@TKCL thanks! Wish me luck. I'm hooking mine up this evening
Keep in mind that you have to build copper levels in your pool. So run it around the clock for a few days until you get a reading on your test strips. Took 3 days for mine to keep the water clear, no issues since.
Did you ask your friend how long the copper cartridge will last?
Manufacturer says replace yearly, they are $83 on Amazon. My friend just replaced hers after 5 years 😳
Great video! My salt cell just quit for the second time and I'm going to try this route. Does anyone know if there's any problem with the salt that's already in my water? I'm really hoping I don't have to drain and refill... Thanks!
Actually people add salt to pools with these to get the TDS up for them to work well. I don't know if there is a point where you can have too much though.
That's great news! I already ordered the unit through your Amazon link. I'll do some research and update how it goes. I can't believe this system/method has been around for years and It's not more common. Thanks again for sharing your experience!
@@stemtosternms4438 it's not talked about or pushed because pool places love to sell you chemicals over and over. Make sure you run your pump around the clock the first couple of days and monitor the copper levels. Once established you can run as normal.
Will the copper level in the pool be high? Kids gulping water or just absorbing it don’t want any OD type stuff happening. Wondering.
Can't be worse than all those chemicals. You use copper test strips to keep levels in check and adjust the ionizer accordingly. The only problems I've heard of with high copper levels is hair and waterline staining.
@@TKCL oh didn’t see that there is a copper test strip. I only see half of anything I watch because one of my young’ins walks in talking.
Thanks for the reply.
@@TKCL Our granddaughters' beautiful blonde hair all turned green last summer when we were using a copper ionizer. I don't know what to do. We loved how it worked otherwise, but their moms were pretty upset about their daughters' hair.
Hi read some reviews let us know in a year how it's working
I will, but when our good friend has been running hers for over 5 years now, that's the best review I could ask for. Just had two more viewers say they have been running these for 2 years and 12 years respectively.
I have had mine about 14 years. Best thing since sliced bread 😊
I am not finding the link for the copper thing 😊
It's in the drop down menu below the video, here you go amzn.to/3quUewB
I have the exact same setup including the Dolphin and have had the same experience. It was sort of funny running across your video. Very ironic
Nice, someone else who knows it isn't a gimmick.
@@TKCL Not a gimmick at all. I was experimenting because of the cost of chlorine, and I'm telling you, my pool is crystal clear, no odors, and stays algae free.
The only difference I see, is that I made a fountain from PVC, but is essentially the same.
I was going to make my own fountain, but for $30 this was worth a try.
I do have a question when the ionizer. I looked up the brand manufacturer and they suggest using their their weekly shock and additives. Is this necessary or just running the unit said efficient enough? I am putting up a 24ft pool and all of this is new....
@brentoncochran80 I'd always go with their recommendations. With that said I have not done that and my pool is nice and clear. I think I will occasionally add liquid chlorine after heavy usage or pool parties to make me feel better about any fecal bacteria.
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Did you have to add any special chemicals at all when you first installed this kit?
I did not, but I had heard people recommend adding salt to the pool at the very beginning I'm not sure why.
The pool store where we purchased ours said you have to add salt because the copper and silver ions have to have something to bind to in the water to be able to create sanitizer, we had to add 80 pounds for our 30’x54” above ground pool.
Do you cover the pool?
No I don't
How is it sanitized?
Copper and silver are natural sanitizers
I have a few questions that maybe you could answer. If you used a tablet dispenser, how is it that you don't have any chemicals? Don't tablet have stabilizer? Did you completely disregard the setup instructions on the ionizer as well as the maintenance instructions? If so, this seems to be a problem as the copper effectiveness is dependent on balanced water chemistry. How are you killing fecal bacteria as copper doesnt kill it? How are you oxidizing bather waste? Copper has a much much lower rate of disinfection compared to chlorine, how are you handling that? I really want to get away from chemicals, but don't see how this will do that reliably? I read the amazon reviews for the linked product and most are still using chlorine regularly. Please help.
I am trusting 5 years of my friends experience. She does not add chemicals (chlorine) unless she has a bunch of kids over and has a big party, that's rare. All she has done for 5 years ran a copper ionizer. If you have heavy sunblock usage and potential spoiling of the pool from large activities or gatherings, I'd highly recommend you keep liquid chlorine on hand to hit the pool with after those occasions. I might do the same myself to make me feel a little better. With all that said, the ionizer by itself is keeping my pool algae free and clear during one of the hottest summers on record.
@@TKCL Thanks for the reply. I think you said it best, the ionizer is keeping the algae at bay and the water is clear. My issue and concern is sanitation as the copper is 50 to 100 times slower than chlorine at killing bacteria. Clear water doesn't equal safe water.
Again years of people I know using it and I've heard of no ill effects. If the concern is there, liquid chlorine is your friend.
Enjoy the American flag blowing in the wind behind you. nice video, sent it to my brother-in-law
I love having that flag
Where did you purchase that pool??
Pool warehouse online.
Awesome thanks!! i love your setup!!
Whats the size? How deep is it? Im looking at poolwarehouse
Dimensions? Also did u buy the sand filter from there? I would love to try that setup and also with the ionizer system
It's a 27 ft pool called The Deep Dubai, it's 54 in deep. I did buy the sand filter from them in the package deal. The ionizer I bought off of amazon, links are in this video's description.
Save sum cash hack You can just put copper fittings like 1/2 " copper tees in your leaf basket .
I watched the video on Amazon for this product that he put link to its not chemical free, there's a bunch of other chemicals it says to use. Granted they may be healthier than chlorine but there still chemicals. I'm confused as they contradict each other.
I use ZERO chemicals and my pool is still crystal clear a year later.
You didn't mention anything about having to add a conditioner and salt!
I don't add those things
Had my for 10 years enjoy it maybe 1 year remove the being of this year. just saying
Just be careful, copper is really hard on catfish. ;)
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Copper and silver are kryptonite to water bacteria. Lol
Apparently so
Is your pool salt free?
Yes, no salt or chemicals.
@@TKCL Thanks for the reply!! I think I’m going to give it a shot!!! I love your content!!
Thank you for watching
One last question, I am currently using a salt water system with my pool now, do you know if I can still use this itonizer with salt water?
Thanks.
@ncl420 that I don't know, you will need to contact the manufacturer.
Yes but it will turn blonde hair green so have fun!
A year later and no green hair. You adjust copper levels to avoid that.
@@TKCL well you will see I had it 5 years ago copper pools are mineral rich and blond hair especially colored hair will absorb the minerals
I have NOT seen this in mine or my friends 6 year old copper ionized pool. You apparently didn't check copper levels or adjust it.
"120 on heat index" .. FYI, "heat index" is NOT a temperature .. it is a made up term and an arbitrary "real feel" number that doesn't even make any sense. Just letting you know.
I know what it is