Single Espresso Baskets - What's the Deal? | Real Chris Baca
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- You asked about single espresso baskets - here’s a quick rundown. - Real Chris Baca
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That's funny. What's the deal? In Italy, 60 millions people believe that the single shot is the only shot and never heard of a double shot. And it's 7 gr by the way to pull out 25 ml
I feel there is a relation with tamping. Italians don't tamp hard, so the tapered baskets work relatively well. Foreign baristas were thought that they have to tamp with inusitate amounts of pressure, hence only baskets above 20 grams work well.
@@bsauceking HAHA what on Earth, are you silly?
A double shot is about 40 ml extracted front ~18 gm ground coffee..Can you imagine how much caffeine you d ve at a time. Single dose helps me take coffee 3 times a day safely American way , toxic! The problem is that, in coffee and as in politics, they think they are always doing good thing.
I've been a barista for almost 2 years now, all your video explains my doubts during work that no one else seems to care. This one and the grinder screen especially. 👍
Unpopular opinion: Single baskets are great! I love having perfect tasting espresso (with the right technique), more times a day and without increasing my caffeine intake to insane levels.
Do you get your extraction in 25-30 sec or you get it in half that time?
@@80goalusually 30 to 35 seconds (for a 1:2 ratio of 11.5 gram in, 23 gram out). I think 25 seconds is normally too short.
Same. I am also a flower of an Italian school of thought when it comes to espresso.
3-4 singles and 1 double per day...keeps the doctors away ;)
@@80goal I am in 25-28 secs bracket with singles. They need a little more tamping force than doubles and the puck needs few more seconds to expand during preinfusion.
agreed, I am using 11.5g average for around 20/25s according to beans. I like it that was since it's allowing me to drink 2 in a day :)
Hey man just wanted to say that I watch every one of your videos and love the content you put out. Keep it up man!!!
Hey, I have had this problem with 1 shot Basket for 6 months. you made me understand the world. Love Love from Thailand.
Honestly great videos. So informative! 👏🏼👏🏼
Love those Commandante packages in the background :)
With Londinium lever machine, I'm using successfully VST 7g /15g baskets for single/double, filled with [in: 7g - out: 16g] and [in:14g - out: 30g].
I use single IMS basket and get super consistency all the time, using full size 58mm tamper, on Silvia and also on Rocket R58 machines, with great results.
Hey dude, which IMS basket to get and where from?
Super interesting!
have you used the single basket on the oracle touch? cuase im am using and found out the sweet spot cuse the extraction was off sometimes! and by the way i ordered the answer from you coffee shop and like it a lot! looking foward to try the other ones on my oracle touch! cheers!!!
My machine came with one single and one double portafilter, which I assumed was normal. To combat the slant and ledge, we literally ground off the sharp corners of a tamp to perfectly fit our basket. It really does work, but I tend to instead fill the basket a tiny bit more, above the ledge and use my regular tamp a little more gently. I know those both sound terrible, but it actually brews very nicely with no channeling.
my single spouted is great for my blind basket, 1/1 would back flush again
I really dislike the current direction that espresso is heading, and predict that--in 3-4 years time--we will be thinking about how to extract espresso differently. Much like how we spent years making shitty pour-overs, until extraction data forced either better technique or abandonment in favor of batch brew, I think that we'll all become exhausted by 20-22g doses of coffee into all our espresso drinks (not a perfect comparison). It's gross, and I'm really tired of it. Maybe I'm an old fogey (I am an old fogey), but I miss the days of being able to order a trad capp with a single espresso in it. Or a macchiato that doesn't have to be served in a gibraltar. Yeah, sure: we're abandoning Italian/Euro tradition in favor of a distinctly American style of making espresso and espresso-based drinks, and I dig that. I think, though, that we are losing a pleasant drinking experience in favor of EXTREME FUCKING AWESOME INTENSITY DON'T YOU DIG IT BRO ISN'T IT INSAAAAAAANE??!! Gonna go change my diaper and polish my walkin' cane now.
I feel what you said completely. I am tired of watching coffee video, 'cause now its all about "Yeah lets put also triple shots" . I mean WTF?
Luckily I am Italian and here tradition still rules. I do not even call single shot single, I call them a cup of espresso. That's it.
You go to a bar or to a restaurant and ask for an espresso, or a cappuccino or whatever. You don't need to think about "would that be a single double triple or what?". It's single. that's it. Not even talking about the amount of caffeine and acidity you put in your body with 50mls of coffee each morning. But you know, Americans are like that. Something is perfect? It would be better if it was twice everything.
Not gonna work in Italy :)
LOLed at this. Recently bought a machine that came with a 21gm basket as the standard. The "single" was 18gms. I had to replace both with a 15gm I dose 14.5gm into. That's as small as a straight walled VST gets. I share your old fogey outrage.
I so feel this. I brew exclusively with 12g of coffee for every other method. Doesn't matter what the ratio is, for higher ratios of coffee:water, I just have smaller brews - but the coffee dose, always stays at 12g whether I'm brewing pour-over, french press, aeropress, whatever. Meanwhile I can't brew less than 16g in my double basket, and really the sweet spot is 17-19g. I wish someone made 12-13g double-baskets for my machine, because that'd be perfect.
I'm 100% agreeing. American espresso culture seems so needlessly complicated. Just fill a single basket with some freshly ground coffee powder until it looks decently filled, pull a shot and see if it tastes good. It's pretty intuitive actually, but Americans feel the need to pull out precision scales and refractometers.
@@katakis1 except you end up with bitter/sour shot and differently every time. Sorry but scales rock and I am european
Never had success with a single basket until I got a Decent Espresso machine. I just started using a single basket for my standard americano. The single basket is from ECM and looks like a normal single basket.
I fill the PF with 11g at a flow rate of 1.5s and it seems just fine. No breakout! I'll try 10g next. Grinding is all done with Ceado E6P.
Had the Decent about 3 weeks and making espresso has never been so easy. It's quite shocking and repeatable shot after shot.
I would love to see a video on how to tamp for single baskets. I'm huge on never wasting coffee, so i would really like to use this at some point but i have yet to find a a decent tamping technique that works well consistently.
i've always used a single at home and found that spending a little time making the tamp feel even around the edges with my fingers helps a lot and remember that you don't need much pressure at all.
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Hey, so what do you do when you are at home and want to make one single shot? From your video I gather you do not use single baskets. So take the double basket and throw away the second Espresso?
what do you think about pressurized single basket?
Love your videos and find them helpful! Had a question: if a single shot requires a different basket, what are the super automatic machines doing when you select a single shot? Thanks!
Super-automatic machines don't work this way. Most likely they create a taller puck inside some kind of chamber inside. But I'm just speculating here.
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Hey Chris, First off thanks for making another video explaining the ins and outs of whats happening with our extractions. I have a question... if i had
22g filter... whats would be the least amount of coffee i could put in it? Does it have to be as close to 22 as possible. I noticed in your video about the Pullman baskets you spoke about having more headroom... i assume this is to allow the coffee to swell more? Would more space in a 22g say dosed with 18g allow the water to pass through the coffee quicker than it would in a smaller basket.. 18g? What are your thoughts? Thanks, Jake
Haha nice one, my wife always wants a single so I split a double and throw the other in the fridge for the next day, those single baskets scare me, never pulled a decent shot. Ever!
In our shop we are using IMS single basket and taste of the espresso is somewhere else than from double but not everyone understands it and want double even when the price is 0,5€ higher for more complex taste, we hate it and customers don't care
I’ve found that using a slightly convex tamper with my single basket allows me to get almost the exact same extraction as my double basket that I use a flat tamper with. It all comes down to having a level coffee bed before you tamp the single.
Funny I do the same. I use 2 tampers, one with US slight convex curve in 58mm for single basket, flat 58.5 for the double.
well i use 12 grams on 1 shot basket 27 secs i dunno if it s normal or not but it s working
Nice, always wondered about that. Now I can throw it away :D
On the same note of baskets, there are IMS and VST precision baskets with 18g, 20g, 22g options and I'm not sure what that means when I want to dose. Do these account for headroom in the basket?
Jaay That's what those capacities are designed for, with some slight wiggle room for updosing. So 15g or a bit more in a 15g basket will be optimal for headroom on a machine with a normal gasket and screen.
hey chris, for a cortado at your shop or just maybe in general for most coffee shops keeping up with the trends, do you use/recommend a single shot of espresso taken from your typical double shot, or do you use do a ristretto shot or just your typical double shot as the base for it? And if you are just using a single shot for a cortado using the typical 18-20 gram basket, does that mean you throw out the other half of the shot typically? And I guess you would need a dual spout portafilter and not a naked portafilter for this? I'm guessing you use just a typical double shot unless someone specifies otherwise, but I'm just curious. SCAA/SCA recommends 1 shot I believe for a 6 ounce-ish Cap., so I'd imagine the same would hold for a Cortado via their standards.
The SCAA recommendation is referring to one "double shot". Generally every specialty cafe using milk drinks is pulling a standard double shot, and not changing it per drink. They might decide, given the quite small portion of people ordering straight espresso, to pull their standard shot a bit short to go better with milk, but it is still a double shot.
Hi, this may be a dumb question because I am no expert, but when talking about splitting the shot at 1:57 and how it would taste half of it if the person wants just one shot. Often in coffee bars I see them making drinks where both the spouts pour into one cup. Does this mean it is necessarily a double shot or s single shot that comes through 2 spouts? Thanks
gladiator3543 I think that 99% of the shots pulled from a double spouted portafilter should be double shots, because they use a double shot basket. You can use a single basket in a double spouted portafilter, but I don't see why you would do that. You would end up with a single shot divided into two cups.
Chris, this is why i love your vlogs. I use my single basket simply because i wanted less coffee in my cup but i had no idea about the inter-chageable nature of the double and single. Now..i do have a question about the single basket. When dialing espressos for a double shot basket they tell you first drop should be around 5-7 second mark. Is that the case with single shot baskets? Ive watched alot of naked portafilter single shot and the first drops seem to happen beteen 3-4 and in my experience that is the case also and for a while ivr been asking myself if this is the norm for single baskets or if my technique is faulty. Cheers
frankypc FWIW, some gentle preinfusion is generally pretty critical with singles. I adjust my respective grinds such that I get the first drop from preinfusion at very close to 7 seconds on both 15g doubles and 7.5g singles.
Appreciate it John. I have a gaggia classic so pre-infusion is not an option for me yet until i get probably an auber kit pid. I will keep trying to get closer to that 7sec still then
Yup. What John said!
I have the breville barista express and find single shots easier than double! I use 11 g and get 22 to 26 g in about 20 sec. w pressure needle straight up at 12 or just past that. I prefer singles for my cappuccino and 10 Oz lattes.
Liked before I even watched the video. I hope y’all have a nice day. Greetings from Germany!
I only use the single shot basket on my Breville. Double shots give me the jitters. I use a bottomless portafilter, and it is often difficult to get a steady stream. It is strange that there is so little information/videos out there about single shots.
bitgwa The nice thing about singles is that you can enjoy making and drinking more of them. 🤗
So you're saying my single basket can stay in the drawer. A friend and I have been putting together a menu for our own shop one day and we have been puzzling over how to make drinks with only even numbered shots. A 2 shot regular and a 4 shot large seems to be either kind of big or a little too coffee heavy if we back off the milk.
Will Ruck maybe you should look at a bigger basket (21g or more) instead of 4 shots.
6 and 12 ounce makes balances milkies
Super accurate!! Spot on! Wow!!
Hell yeah dude, great video. The big whiteboard was cool and it's cool to see you're already taking advantage of the new space.
I love the idea of only selling double shots, so when somebody wants a single they have to choose who to gift the other half too :^)
IMS Single doesn't have the same flavour profile as an IMS double in my experience. It also seems that a lot of singles are "old school" Italian slant-sides like the old NS double baskets. I think that the best solution is as you alluded to: machines with a 49mm group; Elektra Micro Casa a Leva, La Pavoni's, Olympia Cremina, Ponte Vecchio ...
yee yeeah!
It seems a very light tamper after fluffing up the grind would be better suited for single baskets?
Why they don’t make a just shallower double basket, like half depth? I’d be the first to buy if it works as easily as the double one
20 grams coffee in = 30 grams espresso out?
I was under the impression 1 oz = ~30g liquid when using a scale.
What am I missing here?
Brewing ratio is up to you. He gave an example with 1:1.5 brewing ratio. Measuring by weight is more consistent because different coffees give different amount of crema(which is hard to measure in volume). You can refer this link for espresso volumes. www.home-barista.com/tips/brewing-ratios-for-espresso-beverages-t2402.html
Chris, thanks for doing a video on one of the most neglected topics in the coffee world. FWIW, I've had a lot more success pulling true singles on a commercial lever machine than on a standard pump, probably because of the very gentle preinfusion as well as the declining pressure profile throughout the shot. I have to believe a Slayer or the like would do a good job, too. The baskets I use are the 7g VST/LM type with the nearly vertical sidewalls -- with which you use a 41mm tamper -- and a grinding funnel designed to deposit the grounds right where they belong. Never could work with IMS or other single baskets with any consistency, for the reasons you cite. All in all, singles are fun little skill to master if you're into the craft of coffee.
so will a 41mm tamper get the middle bit of the vst spot on?
@@cappaslangmurderer Good question, but I've only used the LM. Eyeballing photos of the VST 7g basket, though, I think chances are the tamper I use (in conjunction with a funnel purpose built for singles) will work just fine dosed properly.
Which round Shap or straight shape single basket
Could buy for breville oracle
I always use a single basket on my Breville. Tastes great!
Me too (also Breville/Solis). But when I started making espresso's for visitors (brithday) I really was struck by the difference in flavour. Wondered what it was until I heard from my brother who took a barista class course that it was way harder to pull a good shot from a single basket. Nevertheless i use single basket very often because of the waste of coffee beans :) and i'm dutch
P J I’ve heard that too. But I’m pretty happy with the taste of my single shots. And I’m dutch as well...😂
Can we have a single basket with a straight wall like the double baskedt but just half the height?
Technically this would be half the flow rate, not the same flow rate. It's the same amount of time at half the flow.
This is what I've always wondered. If I do 20g into 40g, in 30 secs for a dbl, should it be 10g into 20g in 30 secs... or 15 secs?
He's saying you want to aim for the same amount of time, so 30sec. I was just saying flow is a measure of mL/sec, I have no opinions on single shots!
rhaikh ok, thank you!
Not underwear😄 lol
I've heard singles can potentially be better than doubles, when done right.
I wonder if it can be pulled off with a Flair.
like
lowkey always hated single espresso baskets. i just split the shots i pour from my double baskets lol
I sometimes wish Chris would calm down and be a little more like James Hoffman.
lewis40001 I start to suspect it might be from the coffee, not sure though
@@jaxro2 hahah maybe that's true. Although James Hoffman drinks coffe too and he is calm as a cucumber.
Me too. Some videos is way too fast to educate.
i like him more than james hoffman
I wouldn't want to choose, better to have both and appreciate both ways
14 gr coffee for ristretto? wtf? are you a bad joke?!
3.17 leaking underwear?
Great video. But what on earth is wrong with a basket that is just shorter than a double basket, why does it have to be truncated?
I've always just used the double shot basket not even knowing it was the double shot basket but the way I have my settings, it pours the amount of a single shot. Oh well, cool.
Why have the ridges / taper at all? Are there brands that simply sell a shallower basket wih straight sides? That would allow a standard size tamper to fit rather than buying all this new equipment. (Not a coffee professional, just really surprised at this seeningly bad design).
because it doesn't matter how "tall" basket is, the coffee will be too shallow in it...
What's the deal with wearing a cap indoors all the time?
This absolutely doesn’t work. 7 grams/same grind is to less coffee to tamp
That's my conclusion also. I even used 8.5 for this specific coffee and couldnt't get it to work.
I too pulled a -shit- shot with the underwear basket, it wasn't pretty.
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Were you running in a park and suddenly decided to take a video or what..?
Single is in!
Splitting double into two cups isn't same as a pulling single. For someone who considers espresso is undersized and bitter coffee, it can make no difference. For someone who has spent time pulling shots and comparing, these are two kind of shots. To simplify, I (and not only one) grind a bit finer for single to get proper volume for same time, and once I reduced pressure for 1bar, channeling isn't an issue with singles anymore. Or maybe particular roast works better. But I don't frequent coffee shops splitting double. If I want small double, I just sip half of it.
7g for single in Italy! That's it, work from there.
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