Can we use a Pentium 4 with Windows 10?
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- Testing if Windows 10 runs on an old Pentium 4?
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Overnight video encoding of ripped DVDs. Those were the days...
I still rip DVDs and BDs every once in a while.
@@solarstrike33 I'm sure its much faster than it used to be.
Now use Windows 4 with Pentium 10
amazing
Intel Pentium Core-Coffee Lake-series on Windows 1.04? Or you mean Windows NT 3.1?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions
@s. arslan *well be serious*
@s. arslan his username
The 4th at her windows I think was Windows 95 just regretting you
Due to Hyperthreading, it isn´t that bad for daily usage...except of video editing.
Phil, I love your videos. They always are very entertaining.
Thanks! I don't build a full PC often, but this one I really enjoyed.
Its like a celeron but different lol
The Saucy Goblin Shark - Celeron was purposely sold as a gimped weaker processor. Completely different.
LeoInterVir I was more talking about modern celerons with only two threads at the same clock speed. Sorry if i wasnt clear. Yata yata different ipc and different lithography i know. Whatever. Still the "experience" like a skylake celeron but different
Just use Proxy Feature in kdenlive and youre Fine! ESPECIALLY AT LINUX!
Love that SSD swap drive
But what model is it?
I think it's an Icy dock flexidock.
Yea, that's the most interesting part of the video lol
ICY DOCK MB522SP-B
Great video Phil! I love how many angles you look at retro computing with a variety of hardware and all the win distros.
Props on the use of Power Director. I still use it for 4k editing and I rarely find I need anything more. Did you try using GPU accelerated rentering when producing video? I'd be interested to know if that improves the times
Been using PD since version 10 I think :D I agree, it does everything I need and I can't be bothered learning a new package. I never use GPU rendering, even on my main rigg, so that's why it didn't cross my mind to be honest. It likely renders faster, but the editing itself was just not usable.
PhilsComputerLab there is GPU acceleration help on the time line too and you can change the resolution of the preview window. Butttttt I use a Ryzen 1700 with 32gb of DDR4 and a GTX 1080 so I would probably rage quit that machine trying to video edit no matter what the settings were :)
This is by far the best and only video that really tests out how a P4 handles normal daily tasks and mild gaming in 2017 along with a cheap GPU.
Great job!
Thanks :D
Really Not bad! This is the latest most powerful Pentium 4 CPU. CederMill (=Improved over the Prescott). Still about 12 yers old :)
Phil, I assure you that the CPU is holding back the GTX 660 on Metro Last Light. The GTX 660 can run that game just fine at 1080P with high graphics. But you need a C2D @3GHz (Minimum!), or preferebly an i5-750 to run that game fine.
Great video :)
No. 3.8Ghz 775 models are the fastest. I have one.
@@WellBeSerious12 the 3.8 ghz one is a prescott and not a cedar mill. i would still take the 3.6 ghz cedar mill since its a lot cooler and more energy efficient. it also can overclock a lot better, like 4.5 ghz+ isnt a problem with cedar mill.
Great video! Those old games brought back so many memories!
I just love watching your content phil, Since day uno lol..but really you have a great voice over voice, im entertained, i love how your game benches are "Live" and watching you play and get caught up in the game itself while benching lol, i get lost in the nostalgia !!! love it , cant wait till you create more media to share
GonZo Thank you so much!
Thanks for showing the world that old hardware can still be used for a lot of daily tasks !
That was very interesting to watch. And it makes you aware of how far we have come to.
thanks for making these kind of vids!
Surprising how well it works. A couple years ago I tried a Pentium 4 630 on Windows 10 and whilst it worked the experience definitely wasn't great. It performed much better when I installed Lubuntu, performance wise it was near flawless.
I'm super surprised. Even having a toasty but faster Prescott Pentium 4, I really didn't think you'd be able to get everything to work on Windows 10, general performance wise, you know.
Great stuff.
Thats amazing! I´m impressed how smooth the pentium 4 performs in daily tasks :)
Here we have the 660 with 2 MB Vram
IKR
"small mistake" lol Now this is pointless, no it's dumb. Test a Pentium 4 as a daily driver? Oh that looks interesting. Starts watching... 8 GB ram plus a 2 GB GPU. OK then lol. Now, that's kinda cheating and turns the all thing from interesting to meh.
Yes ! I Have A P4 PC Have This FEATURES Equals Your PC!
it is about the p4, you could upgrade the old pcs to this state, lel
Xd, I heard that too, and i was like: Whaaaaa???
Hey Phil, i once used a P4 PC and Windows XP for my daily driver until i got my current PC together. it ran rather nicely, even tho it just had an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro in it.
Someone's watching Grimm, I see!
Well, I tell you, it's a great series and I hope you also have fun with it!
Very nice man
That game in the intro was Xenon one of the first games I ever played on the acorn Archimedes A5000
That slot loading drive is really cool honestly.
Interesting project. These computers can still do a lot today. Well, your P4 was on the higher end for sure. I just resurrected my old P4 based Fujitsu Siemens Celeron. I like it´s design. And I´m still surprised I got the HD to work again and boot XP, I thought it was ruined completely.
For now I´m thinking about how to use the tower and maybe updating it. It doesn´t need to have a Celeron for example.
very good i like to try that Phil
I really like the P4 too, for some reason! Then again, I have an FX 9590. I guess I like 'em hot.
Then you will love the new 10900k!
9590 is a monster 👹 and will last you many more years.
I gave a friend a PC with an Opteron 146 a while back. As far as I know, it's still sitting under his kitchen table, collecting dust. Makes me want to throw Windows 7 on it to see what it can do.
What a beast that sucker was in 2009, ran it myself for a long time. Upgraded from Athlon 3500+ and the extra 512k of L2 cache made SUCH a difference. Overclocked nicely as well, had it up to 2.8ghz. No special HSF, just zip-tied an extra 80mm fan to the side of the stock unit. Although it helped that the Opterons came with the copper-based dual heatpipe unit.
Damn, what would I pair it with for a GPU? I feel like, in the interest of nostalgia, I'll go with the Nvidia card I had back in the day, a 6800 GS. I had in in AGP flavor back then, running on my Northwood core P4 at a whopping 2.2ghz and 1GB RDRAM! YES, I RAN RDRAM! And a Geforce 4 Ti4400! God that takes me back, the bios splash screen that read P4 TITAN.
And when I slotted that 6800 GS in there, oh man that machine came to life, hitting solid 60fps in CS:S. Those were the days...
So I would recreate that, my favorite CPU with my favorite GPU, and play HL2.
I just recently started messing with a similar system from E-Machines socket 775 with an Intel P4 3.2 ghz with 2 megs of cache onboard with hyperthreading. I'm currently running a Samsung 120 850 evo, 4 gigs of ddr2 800 (max with only to memory slots) Nvidia GTX 550ti graphics. Windows 7 64 bit ultimate atm. Thinking about upgrading to Windows 10. I use it mostly for media consumption of You Tube videos and web searches. Plays 720p videos smoothly. Thanks for the enlightening video on this topic.
The oldest one I still have up and going with Windows 10 is an E4500. It works pretty nicely with an SSD for what it is. I did just build a Ryzen 7 1700 system for a friend doing video creation and that thing is a beast!
Hey Phil, you could get audio working in DOS. First: to get music (FM synth), you need a Yamaha YMF7x4, a CMI-8338, or any other FM/Adlib compatible PCI card. That's fairly doable and most games use just FM. But if you also want 8-bit and 16-bit audio, you must use the SB Live! SB0100 alongside. I tested this setup. With patience you can get almost every game working. It's a little tricky with the IRQs overlapping and configurations, but doable still! The other problems you will have are related to the RAM size (you can use xmsdsk to reduce it), and probably others... It's a nice adventure, I recommend it to you.
I wonder if they would work on my ivy bridge core i5 PC which still has 2 pci slots ^^
MFV - MAGNUM FACIT VERITAS I'd love to see a full demo of this if it's truly compatible and functional with readily available parts. Sounds promising...
What motherboard did you use for your tests? This one has Intel 965 chipset.
I used a few P4s (775 and 478) and some socket 462 mobos too. At the moment I remember these: P4M800-M7A Ver. 7.0 (VIA P4M800 / VT8237), P5SD2-VM (SiS672 / SiS968), Abit NF7s (NVIDIA nForce2), M7VKQ.PRO (SiS 740 / 962L), A7V8X-MX SE (VIA KM400). I always got the FM working with the YMF 724, and most of the times sound blaster sound with the SB Live too, but not always. For instance, KQ-5 works fine (adlib+sounds) but KQ-6 only music (adlib). I use the YMF724 for music since it has the authentic OPL chip, and the SB16 sound is emulated by the SB Live. I mute the SB Live's FM emulation in the mixer, and connect its line-out to the YMF 724 line-in.
Cool video, many older systems could still be running if people updated them to SSD's. We find that unless doing specific tasks we're not really waiting for the processor but waiting for disks to get the info into RAM.
I added an SSD to my P4 (2.4ghz, 4GB of RAM, Nvidia GT 610). There are limits to what a P4 can do, even with upgrades: 720p Netflix and 720p Flash on some major sites, is a stuttering mess. Why: the streams have Digital Rights Management (DRM) encryption and you need a stronger CPU to decrypt it. The GT 610 won't help with the DRM. 480p Netflix/Flash was maxing out my P4's capacity. 720p/1080p CZcams isn't a problem because (1)no DRM to bog down the CPU, (2)force YT to stream h.264 avc video that benefits from GPU acceleration on your video card [h264ify extension on Chrome). Many give up on the P4, because YT defaults to VP9 codec on Chrome, and they lack a GPU that accelerates VP9.
I did something similar with a single core Athlon 4000+. I was only using a 560 GTX and 4GB of RAM, but it ran Win10 fine. I also was quite surprised that Netflix and CZcams ran just fine at 1080p. People don't give these older processors enough credit, I tell ya!
I'm glad you love intel's cpu Pentium processor that you experimented on.
I had the pentium 4 in my first pc build, a fine processor!
This is quite amazing actually, to be even able to install the newest Windows OS to a computer with a 12 year old CPU! It's even more amazing how well it runs. I wish this could be possible in the Mac world, but of course no. Apple is using desperate measures to keep people dumping their old computers.
Janne Väätäinen when (before even) Windows 10 first came out one website actually installed it on a 2003 Mesh PC with an Athlon 64. It actually ran well until they experimentally tried lower amounts of RAM which of course slowed it down a lot. Unfortnately another website misunderstood that when referring to the article, thinking that it ran that badly WITH the higher amount of RAM, smh...
Torilla tavataan
RWL2012 Shows just how well the A64s have held up!
dosdude1 patcher
glad to see good old games.
The SoundBlaster Live does wonders in the Socket 775 Motherboard running in pure DOS
had an AMD 64 3000+ Venice OCed to 2.6 back in the day, and I always oogled the Cedar Mill P4s. Even though my CPU did well, the Cedar Mill P4s were the first chips that could reliably OC to 4Ghz.
Wow gpu helps a lot!! I have got 3500 on 3d mark 2001...with intel gam3100
got 13000 in 3Dmark06 with a 8800 GT around 8 years ago. But that was with a E8400 @ 3.6 GHz, even the graphics score was higher.
Cool video
Few days ago I finished to build Pentium 4 PC for retro and for record floppy games for Atari 1040STfm.(After watch your clip "10 reasons for P4 as retro machine"
I have nice setup:
Pentium 4 3GHz Nortwood 512kB Cache
ASRock P4i65G
2GB ADATA DDR 400 (2x1GB Dual)
Powercolor Radeon x1950Pro 512MB with Accelero Cooler out of box
500W Akyga Psu
500GB Segate HDD
Radeon x1950Pro is my card from 2006 and its still very powerfull GPU for DX9 games
Mainboard with cpu and ram cost me about 10$ (40PLN),other parts I have already.
Its very nice and cheap machine for older games.
I'm waiting for some Radeon X series testing and of course any new videos from you :)
Greetings from Poland :)
Nice! For an AGP system that's a beast for sure. The X series cards are cool for sure I will do something here :D
CAN we? I do, albeit with WinXP. It struggles with HTML5 (thanks for forcing that, CZcams, this is why I now use a 3rd party interface) but otherwise does just fine.
This was an emergency box flung together from whatever salvage was handy, but it proved absolutely stable and reliable and wound up as the daily driver:
* Micro-Star MS-6580 (Intel i845PE) dated 2002
* Intel P4 3.08GHz (Northwood) with hyperthreading, beta eval CPU from 2003
* 2GB DDR PC3200 (maxed out, unfortunately)
* NVidia GForce 5200FX (128mb) -- found on the floor at the recycle yard
The main dragdown on this box is the ancient hard drive (Seagate 40GB IDE with over 80,000 hours on it!) But I'm about to replace that, probably with a nice WD 250GB, tho now that you mention it, an SSD would probably do wonders for performance. Just got a nifty gadget that lets you use an SD card as an IDE drive, so I might try that. No native SATA ports, tho I added a SATA adapter card for the data HD.
I have a couple of quads that do the heavy lifting, but this one works just fine for everyday stuff.
I have a similar box that's used for pure DOS, because it's that modern oddity, a P4 with ISA slots and therefore the sound card works in DOS. Did you know you can now get an i7 with ISA slots??!
h.264ify = op
I enjoyed the video. However, I expected to see a more mainstream P4.
Personally, I still own a s.478 Northwood @ 2.6 GHz with HT, but I am stuck with 1GB DDR 400 Ram (very costly to move to 2 GB), AGP slot with a GF 6600. 16 months ago I still used it as a main desktop machine, but a failed Flash update ruined my XP and I haven't bothered to reinstall it since.
I used to play Heroes 3 on it, as the game crashed a lot on my Win 7 laptops. Aslo did some moderate web browsing, but CZcams videos ran at 360p.
I actually had an idea to mount a 120 GB SSD (despite SATA 1 limitations), but last winter SSD prices skyrocketed.
Phil's system is a far cry from mine and if I had the LGA775 socket, I would be hunting for the best Core 2 Duo/Quad I could lay my hands on and would now be using it for my everyday taks (not to mention the 8 gigs of RAM and the mighty 660 - it would get me covered for more games that I could ever find the time to play).
I just benchmarked my Pentium 4 system (Northwood 3.06Ghz) plus Radeon HD 4670 - used default benchmarks, 3D Mark 03 24541, 3D Mark 05 6582. The motherboard has drivers for both Windows 98 and Windows XP and because it has a Sound Blaster 16 in the ISA slot it's also great for DOS gaming (disable caches in Bios)
Very cool
2:40 "It has 2 megabytes of video memory" Really? I want to uy it for my retro dell build
2:31
LOL 2 GB of course :D
Late Pentium 4 (Prescott Core and later) supports 64bit instructions.
Yep, Intel licensed AMD's x64 architecture.
2 MEEEGGAAA POWWWEERRR!!!!!
Phil you are cheating a little bit here ;)
P4 3.6GHz S775 is not really a classic Pentium 4. With this socket you can use a Core 2 Duo which is much more powerful. The C2D CPUs are really cheap, around 1-5€ for a standard model. If you use a "real" P4 with S478 and DDR1 things look a little bit different. These machines are way to slow for todays internet, even the higher clocked models with HT. If you go below 2.6GHz without HT the P4 becomes slow as a snail.
And the main question is: Why should anyone use Win 10 at all? :D
That's for another video :D
Well it's named Pentium 4, so I don't see a problem.
Also : You can't run Windows 10 x64 on anything much older than that.
Still waiting for P4 s478 review ;p
I gave my old P4 3.0 Socket 478, 1GB DDR 400mhz, Radeon 5770 system to my mom almost a decade ago. She was able to run it on Windows 7 but it did struggle a fair bit after a few months of program installs and regular internet use. Never tried Windows 10 on it but I'm fairly certain that even if it did install, it wouldn't have been usable. Her current system is another hand me down from me, an AMD Athlon II based AM2 system with 2GB of DDR2 and the same Radeon 5770 and it still can barely handle Windows 10, especially since the Creators update. This video was definitely a best case scenario for using Windows 10 on a P4. The 8GB of RAM and modern video card really helped it a lot.
FireShorts Wow her new system is actually pretty decent. You can run lots of games at 720p with the 5770.
Nice video, as ever.
P4D would be a little better, and the more better, as if it's used with WinXP or Win7( Pro or Ultimate) as base OS. Otherwise you should try to "decrapify" Win10Pro, but for "raw perfomance" it would affect little in every cases as Win10 stress the cpu by itself (more than WinXP or Win7 - they have no security built in and more). Cheers, M
What a pc case that able to change disk drives so easily!
nice i have p4 to and its great to see this hardware still rockin in 2017 and i sow quake in there why did you past that one couse i like quake 4
I ran out of time. I'll test it next time, promise!
thanks mate.
I know Quake 4 may not be as good as the first three, but it's still pretty decent.
That harddrive thingy must be so nice for backups.
Yea I like my drive bays :D
I remember using this cpu in the drafting computers at my college. It was rather quick at the time but then again it was 2006 lol
The PC Speaker sounds quite nice :)
I'm impressed with what the Pentium 4 HT can do. The GPU seems to really help. CZcams really hogs system resources, too, so the fact that it is working well impresses me. It also seems like Windows 10's hardware optimisation works really well. Facebook is also a resource hog. It's impressive that Pentium 4 is holding up.
Good vídeo! I have a retro WinXP build using na ASUS Rampage Formula motherboard, a P4 632 3.8 GHz, 4 GB 1066 MHz DDR2 Corsair Dominator RAM, a hardware (using the external dongle) Crossfire of ATI Radeon X1950XTX, a Seagate 2TB SSHD and a Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro.
Running games like Far Cry, FEAR and Crysis in Ultra settings at 1600x1200 is butter smooth! It also functions as a backup PC, it still holds up to browsing the web, just not watching 1080p content on CZcams, 720p reproduces nice.
Nice!
P4 670 3.8 GHz I mean.
I've kept my Athlon 2800+ (Barton) quite a long time. I only had an AGP port, no PCIe, but I've played Mass Effect 1, 2, the first S.T.A.L.K.E.R and several games you wouldn't expect to run an old CPU like this one, especially on high settings. How? AMD released an AGP version of the Radeon HD3850. This card was an absolute beast, arguably the fastest AGP GPU ever released (it's faster than the HD4670 and all later AGP cards are based on weaker GPUs). It also works great with any 3.0Ghz+ Pentium 4. They might not be easy to find these days but these cards were the holy grail for older machines owners who still wanted to play modern games.
Wouldn’t the CPU be doing some heavy bottlenecking with the card?
wow i did not expect that. pentium 4 is a beast
i would love 2 have it as an Windows XP retro build but Windows 10 did ok but it be great 2 play old games with it tho
Thank you for the video, informative as usual. Can we hope a pentium D test in the like of this one ?
For sure :D
Yes, thanks a lot, i love those noisy fuc$$rs ;)
Thanks Phil, my grandfather was giving me AM2+ and a Socket 478 motherboard. Wonder what would happen if I used the single core...
you can still keep retro and get a core 2 quad q6600 , that gtx 660 is being wasted with that pentium 4 , i will admit i'm surprised it is doing as well as it is.
Interesting vid! I'm sure you could strip out some bloaty Win 10 features to get a bit more snappiness out of it too.
Is there a tool that does this for you?
Not that I'm aware of! Doing a bit of a Google there looks to be a few tutorials floating around. One website I used to use back in the day was Tweakhound.com. Very awesome guide for stripping down unnecessary Windows Services on all major versions of Windows. I used do that a lot back in the XP days but now I have the money for a decent computer and too lazy :B
Love your work btw!
i do like the front panle ssd slots, wish they had one for the 3.5's but there to bulky
Having SSE2 is probably the key thing. Modern software won't run without it, because compilers these days use SSE2 instead of x87 for floating-point operations.
Having a decent GPU also surely helps given how much modern software can utilise hardware-acceleration for non-game stuff.
Well 10 wont even work without SSE2
Sapphire Destiny It can’t run without PAE or the NX bit either.
Runs better than modern Pentium laptops...
No.
it seems to me Win10 really needs SSDs, its IO scheduler seems awful, so those laptops using super slow spinning-disks hurts them a lot.
@@kiaas No its just the fact Windows 10 is a bit more heavy and those old HDD's cant keep up. Just install the latest MACOS on a slower HDD and tell me how slow it is.
@@silvy7394 I haven't used mac os since 10.6, didn't like the direction 10.7 was taking, moving OS X into the walled garden of ios. the IO scheduler is the problem. Bandwidth usage on the HDD and SSD will be the same for basic stuff, but the io scheduler is now optimized for the short seek times of SSDs, and doesn't do anything to compensate for the longer seek times of HDDs like previous schedulers did. If MacOS is suffering performance issues like that now, it's because apple has been sticking just flash chips in their laptops and ignoring that their desktops exist, because real drives are just to thick for their stupid thin bullshit, and are forgetting hdds exist.
I started back on linux in august, after a few years of not using it, and it's quite usable on both hdds and ssds, they haven't fucked with their scheduler to specifically favor either. ssds of course work better, but they didn't change anything to make hdds worse than they were, unlike windows 10.
@@kiaas Wish thats true but thats just a lot of miss-leading BS.
Only reason why Linux works with HDD's is because its a lighter OS - not having to load much. Even then ive had Ubuntu take more time to boot and load programs than Windows.
Tried Windows 10 (x86) on a P4 640 with 2GB, now maybe it was just fresh OS syndrome, but I'm sure it ran better than it did on XP.
Given the low price of Core 2 Duos though, it's hard to make a case for running a P4 on any board that could do better - some older boards having limits of P4 (not even Pentium D) and others making out at Pentium D - due to chipset & VRM limitations, not just lack of BIOS support.
Mine is the classic 915 chipset, driving an 800FSB using interleaved DDR400 - with a Q965, the way is open to much better for very little money
I lost so much lifetime playing STUNTS... Great game !
Phil, I spent a while attempting to get my sblive working in pure Dos on my intel 865 based p4 last year, no dice of course. However, I had no problems with an Aureal Vortex 2, it just
worked. Considering You can attach a midi device to those it could make a good dos rig.
Yes the motherboard I used has the newer 965 chipset though. I also got the Vortex 2 running on 865 chipset board, it worked well.
Now here's the deal. You can use P4 with 11 even yes you can. As a matter of fact, I am using it. Phil?
Just looked back over this, I tried Windows 10 on my old P4 640, and other than having to swap the GPU as the original X700 produced no display beyond a certain point, I was quite amazed by how smoothly it ran - and this was with dual DDR1 400 - though that is actually balanced with the quad pumped bus of the P4.
Eventually set the machine up for a friend that wanted a basic browser & youtube box - after they'd borrowed my Atom N450 Netbook (which was about half the CPU of the P4). Retrieved my previous HD5670 for other uses, as I was a bit iffy on the power margin, and equipped it with a HD5450 - plenty for youtube.
One other attempt to prop the performance up, having sniped a cracking deal on ebay - turned off the built-in USB Wifi G (with a pre-W10 driver) and replaced it with an N300 PCI card, as I was sure the USB protocol would be adding overhead - oh yes, and it got an SSD, mainly because I had a tenner off on ebay that I didn't have any other use for..
Actually, I might upgrade them to my Core 2 knockabout build when I've finished playing with it, partly as my current system will be demoted to backup by a budget used build, and the Core 2 was originally going to take the role of second best / testing software that may be too old and mess up.
If you can muster together a Core 2 Quad machine, you'll be amazed at the performance! There is a video on the channel, quite recent one, and it surpassed my expectations!
The case had some bits only supported by the original board (nonstandard connections) - the Wifi (but can now do without that) the Bluetooth (guess I can dongle it), and the card reader - and the combined TV/modem card that is a dual PCI master and fits in a colour marked dual master slot - wonder if it would be ok in a standard slot with modem disabled… you may recognise the weirdness as a Medion, with OEM MSI motherboard.
The Core 2 board only has 1 PCI, so I'd have to use a spare USB Wifi dongle or a PCI-E, as I couldn't fit both the TV card and the PCI Wifi (the original board having just had the X16 for graphics and the rest PCI).
PS. Original main system, X4 965, replacement budget build i7-3770 (and I went wild and got a GTX1060 to replace the 750Ti that I was going to carry over)
I'm watching this video on my pet project suped up Dell Dimension 4600.
It''s rocking a socket 478 Prescott 3.4 ghz Pentium 4 with hyper-threading. (sadly this lacks things like EM64T or NX support so I'm stuck with Windows 7 instead of 8 or 10 where these things became required. That's a real pain since my 1.6 gh netbook atom cpu can install windows)
4gb of ram
Win 7 32 bit
Radeon HD 4670 1gb AGP graphics card (perhaps the most powerful AGP card, if not than top 2/3) Sadly it's only Direct X 10.1 so no direct x 11 support.
Can you feel the power?
PhilsComputerLab Cool i love Fate of Atlantis and When you like Xenon 2 you should try Raptor call of the shadows
Waaw that's amazing
Probably. I used a early core 2 duo dell laptop and win10 for over 2 years as my daily at home.
Phil, when you rendered the video, you selected the 120fps profile, not the 60fps profile.
Other than that, great video.
I use windows 7 thin PC for my P4 machine, runs great!
Phil, could you please lower the desktop resolution for small font parts of your videos (CPU-Z in this video, for instance)? On small screens, like on mobile phones, those parts are unreadable. Thanks.
This is something Druaga1 would do
With the addition of Druaga fucking up every half minute.
honestly the only games that would give you trouble on any fast CPU of PIII onward are ones that are Clock cycle sensitive that'd be teh only time you'd NEED Dosbox, if said system still supports PCI (if you go aftre a modern enough system) a Soundblaster 16 PCI or any of the good PCI Era Soundcards that still offered a SB 16 Mode.
What is that hot swap sata disk drive caddy ? Wow never seen that ! Nice
For a web browsing pc, its perfectly fine, even with windows, however i'd still recommend a light linux distro rather than windows for a system like this, or even a modern one that is just going to be web browsing.
A great cheap alternative would be a Pentium e5300 or similar cpu in that series
what about the older 478 pentium 4s? I know they cannot run Windows 10 however they can run Windows 8.1 with a patch installed.
I'm actually getting a pentium 4 laptop next week, and also a celeron, but I don't know the exact model numbers. But the date and time was set to 2002 so it will be interesting to see how they run. I tested them out on the current installation of Windows XP and they ran quite well
Under some circumstances (which are quite unrealistic - 8GB of RAM, modern VGA and SSD) even P4 can be used in 2018. However, Core 2 Duo class systems (which can be upgraded to Quads or even 771 Xeons) are dirt cheap (I bought HP 5800 tower for 25 EUR and Q9505 2.83 GHz for 15 EUR), so it is feasible to build Quad core with little investments.
My spare system is Optiplex 745 tower with Q6700, 4GB RAM, passively cooled GT610 (had to bind heatsink a little to fit protruding capacitors on motherboard) and SSD drive. I love that machine for being practically inaudible, and it handles 1440p CZcams videos flawlessly. If I bought GT1030 for it, I could even play games like Borderlands 2.
Some video editing software works much better on older systems than others. Serif MoviePlus X5 will probably give you better results on the P4. The other option is GPU or dedicated hardware encoding that again could make a P4 a more viable option.
Nice viedeo
I like it and I want more like this and I have ABIT AA8 with Pentium 630 :) Will you make more movies like this ?
It seems well received, so I think I will do similar projects in the future.
I was playing a little with a 631 (3GHz P4) on newer software and I also thought it was not as bad as I expected, single thread performance was almost exactly the same as an E2140 (1.6GHz C2D with 1MB l2), it makes me think that a Pentium D (specially the ones with HT and high clock) would not be all that bad for a daily PC, obviously it doesn't really make sense since C2Ds are so cheap nowadays, but it's kind of fun to see how far it can go.
Yea I will check out the Pentium D for sure.
You should point out that starting with Windows 8.1 there is requirement about NX-bit. Because of that, only latest Pentium 4s can run Windows 8.1 / Windows 10, and Socket 478 platform stops at Windows 8.
Very good Idea, showing how modern OS and apps are supported by GPU.
You have managed to use Win 10 64bit, because You have put the P4 LGA775 with CMPXCHG16B and NX bit support. Older P4 are not supporting such instructions.
You could show on the screen, GPU-z sensors during playing video. There is a line "video engine load". It shows when apps support GPU decoding. It seems You are editing video with PowerDirector without GPGPU support. You could show also, encoding h264 by Handbrake, first using CPU, and after that Nvidia CUDA.
Also use for the next time right mouse button on a CZcams video, and choose, stats for nerds. It is nice to see what's going on. Because You haven't displayed stats for nerd, I don't know if you were using youtube decoding with mime type VP9 or AVC?
It would be interesting to show the oldest socket (max upgraded) possible Win10 32bit. The CPU must support PAE, NX and SSE2.
The oldest socket would be AMD s754, with 4GB RAM(3,2-3,5GB seen by OS) and the most modern AGP GPU, Radeon HD4650/HD4670 with h264/AVC support up to FHD 60fps. It is also possible use AGP s939 board, as the one of the oldest support by win 10 32bit.
Good tips, thank you! Yes it was running AVC in CZcams.
@kret Your note compressed to actual models :
Intel : 65nm CPU is required for 64-bit Win 10 (Pentium 4 6x1 and Pentium D 9xx series). XD-bit support required for Win 10 x86 (or 32-bit) (so some Prescott's will do), AMD : Athlon64 "rev. F" core minimum requirement for Win 10 x64 (AM2 and newer), and any Athlon 64 with NX-bit support for x86 edition.
You are watching 1080 video downscaled, pretty sure that uses more cpu than watching it native fullscreen.
What I read in the latest Win10 news is the pricing model is changing. Higher end CPUs and 8+GB or RAM will be the highest tier, and cost the most.. I wonder where this CPU would land.
PC Speaker sound in all it's glory!
(Apologies if you have done this) but I'd be interested to see a benchmark on this same hardware between Win98/WinXP/Win7/Win10 given this hardware sit beautifully across all those eras.
It is so refreshing to see someone build an old PC and then show it run OLD GAMES that it can actually RUN. Many people install Crysis 3, Doom 4 or something newer then laugh how weak old PCs or some notebooks are. Best example are all those GPD Win and GPD Pocket video reviews on CZcams. Instead of Skyrim running at 10FPS, show me Oblivion running perfectly fine, instead of Far Cry 4, Doom 4 or Overwatch, show me how it handles Doom 3, Far Cry 1 or UT 2004, etc... I personally used a PC with Athlon64 running at 2GHz, only 1.5 GB or RAM and a HD3650 GPU up to 2014, mostly played older games and some newer indie titles.
I agree. I usually show something that runs really well, something that runs ok, and something that struggles. I also don't like such videos that focus on how bad something is. Everything has its use, just got to find them :)
LowSpecGamer and Phil really need to crossover sometime...
say, i was using a 2006 themed build with a Core 2 duo E6600 and a GT8800 GS with 4GB DDR3 memory, it is really good at older titles like..... all of them almost, at 1080p it was for most games, at or over 60FPS
could you see how it can do with editing and that? would be a nice follow-up video to see.
Nice! Have you tried Minecraft in that PC?
I thought about it, but was too expensive.
i know this is a really old video, but how did you manage to install windows 10? mine sits in the black screen with the blue windows logo for hours and nothing happens?
Is it fair to say that performance would mimic these results after a few months of daily usage?
Considering most people wont keep the windows install as clean as you, wont always know exactly what they are downloading and definitely wont give their PC a clean (software and hardware) when needed.
I would love to see a follow up video in the future to see how this PC is doing. Its really surprised me how well this CPU has hidden its age. Fair play to you sir!
That is a fair point. On most of my machines I don't really install much day to day. My media PC for example has only Netflix and that's about it.
To be honest, if its running this well after the install of windows, I think its down to the user to keep it that way. Its a shame most people do not tend to look after their PC's.
Then again, second hand prices would probably go up if people did :) I love your content. You, LGR and that crazy German guy who built the fallout monitor PC thing (I forget his channel) are my go to's for classic hardware :) Wish you the best with all you do.
I think the main reason this Pentium system runs well with Win10 and videos/CZcams etc vs what the "average" Pentium 4 retro system does, is because this system has 8MB of DDR2 memory... most older Pentium4 systems are LUCKY if they have 4MB, and usually only have 1 or 2... that makes a huge difference doing modern content.
Is the front panel thingie stock to the case or is it an addon piece?
I would like to have such a critter in my main machine.
No joy searching for one.
My GoogleFu fails me.