Nikon Zf Review by Ken Rockwell
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- Nikon Zf Review by Ken Rockwell
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Believe the hype, the camera is awesome. Ken just doesn’t like this kind of camera lol
Love the pictures, hate the ergonomics. Thanks!
@KenRockwellTV
I have the apsc zfc...totally agree, ergonomic nightmare
@@KenRockwellTV the grip ergonomics are completely atrocious yes, but having dials be able to control ISO and shutter speed is super handy. I almost never have to go to menus anymore! Love your stuff Ken thanks for the years of product info! 🫶
the camera is a good first step, can definitely be improved
I agree Clan! Oh one easy improvement is to: get a grip for it, the smallrig one makes it way more comfy to use. But yes holding it with no grip is not nice haha
The remote trigger on the shutter might be fake, but the reason the screw hole was kept was to still use a custom soft button, which Nikon even used to sell for the Df.
What's the use other than jewelry though?
Yawn! Thanks!
@@RoastBeefSandwichthats part of the design and target user of the camera. Ive heard stories of people buying Leica to take photos of it, not to take photos with it. Im not saying its at that level, but yeah design over efficiency is part of this camera.
You can customize the ZF to completely bypass the top dials. I control ISO and shutter speed using the i button menu and never had to use the retro-style dials on top. I am neutral to retro style but I upgraded from Z6 to ZF because of the improved autofocus system: 1 AI tracking of people, pets, cars, planes; 2. new 3D tracking. 3. Autofocus sensitivity under low light (-10EV vs -4EV) and 4. image stabilization (8EV vs. 5EV). ZF uses Expeed 7 processor, which is ~10x faster than Expeed 6 in Z6/Z6II. My only gripe about ZF is that it's difficult to get the SD card out once you put on the smallrig grip. I have to use a USB cable to import photos to my PC. Nikon Wireless Transfer app didn't work for me.
Of course, but sad thing is that once bypassed, the functions we need on the top aren’t there. Thanks.
Thanks for the review, although I'm confused about your complaints. Simply put, I think this camera is not for you. It seems that you don't need a retro-style camera at all. Changing the shutter speed dial doesn't make any sense, unless again, what you need is a different camera altogether.
The shutter speed dial to me is crucial. When doing street photography, with a flick of the mode selector I'm in manual mode, with the shutter speed dial already set on a lower shutter so I can get the motion trail I need (and, in case, rapidly adjust it thanks to that very dial). With another flick, I'm back right on to the higher shutter speed for a most common shooting experience.
The Zf is mainly aimed at street photographer, hence not only the style, but also the dials. There are also other factor that goes into the customization of the body which add a lot to the street shooter needs.
All in all, I don't think your review this time around was particularly fair (and I generally like your reviews).
Just my 2 c.
Exactly, as a full-time shooter I need a camera that gets out of my way, not one that stands between me and my image. I don't care how nice are the materials; all I care about is how to the pictures look (the Zf is great, but only if they're in focus) and how fast I can get my shot under unpredictable and rapidly evolving conditions (not great). THANKS!
@@KenRockwellTV Totally, I understand that, it depends on what type of photography you do. Personally, as a street photographer, the Zf does exactly that, it doesn't get in my way at all, but chances are, if I were to shoot different genres maybe things would be different. It's like trying to ride a rally with an EV car, different products for different needs.
Been waiting for this review, Ken. Best body currently for manual focus lenses. Eye tracking with manual focus lenses is amazing.
Thanks, but for AI-s lenses I still prefer any FX DSLR.
Unfortunately there will be no more DSLR soon. Except maybe Pentax.
I own the Zf and love it, but I wanted the top dials experience. I own a Z5 and D750 as well. I honestly never use the U modes on my Z5 but I can see the value. For me this camera reminds me of when I first started with a Nikon N2000 film camera. I enjoy setting up the camera via the top dials in M mode and have the rear LCD flipped so it’s not present most of the time. This isn’t the most efficient way to use a camera in 2024 but I do enjoy it and also use manual lenses still. People also still drive a handful of cars with a manual transmission for that experience or use record players, this is in the same vein for me.
For auto ISO users, I use M and set auto on and max to 200. The camera will prioritize low ISO so the dial then becomes an max ISO range adjustment. For example set dial to 800 and you have 100-800 set, with it prioritizing the lowest usable iso. This works great for me. This works in M/S but A/P will have it as min iso so be aware if those are modes you use often. It has a plethora of ways to address certain settings if you take the time to learn.
That said the front and rear thumb/finger dials and grip will never be as optimized as the other Z bodies due to its replication of a film era camera. But those bodies won’t tempt you to pick it up off the shelf and use it like the Zf can.
Ken thanks for years of reviews and keeping it real for what people actually need in a practical sense for good photography. I love the Zf personally but can’t disagree with any of your review from a practical sense, especially from a professionals viewpoint. But I think this camera was targeted right at the non-professional guy like me.
Everyone who wants expeed 7 in a Z6 frame be patient it’ll be here soon. The ergonomics will probably drive you nuts with the ZF if you don’t like the dials experience.
I own the ZF and love it, too! But I customized it so I use i button/menu and main dial to control ISO and shutter speed, completely bypassing the retro dials. You can use ZF as a modern camera just as a Z6 without any problems.
Thanks for all the information!!!
Eye af tracking with manual lenses, I like it alot.
What? Thanks!
That was indeed a nice feature if you manual focus. Unfortunately all my lenses are autofocus and ZF locks onto a subject's eye instantaneously.
@@turingcs2001 i use old nikon ais glas as well and this feature helps alot (assign button to zoom in and check focus accuracy)
@@KenRockwellTV It's a wonderful feature! I can focus on anything from any distance with disarming ease. The Zf is a great camera!
I mostly felt this way, about the ergonomics, when I first got the camera, but after some use I find it’s not bad.
Thanks!
I've always seen your written reviews without realizing you had a CZcams channel but I gotta say I love your direct/no bullshit review style hahah.
Exactly!!! I'm all about my NO BS policy! I follow the golden rule: shoot videos how I'd like to watch them: direct and to the point. Thanks!
I always appreciate your thoughts Ken. My one question for you is do you think we will see build quality, as far as the metal and brass being used on the zf, ever coming back? I can see the negative on being heavier, but I really miss that feel of the camera. I love the x-t5, but it just doesn't feel like it is going to hold up as well. Maybe that is a me problem where I need to wrap my mind around the fact that heavy doesn't always mean more durable, but there is something I like about the feel of the zf.
No, not in Nikon. Stick with LEICA or Nikon 35mm pro cameras if you want metal. Thanks!
@@KenRockwellTV if Leica was in the cards, I'd love to try them out. Maybe one day. The only thing I have found close to the zf was the x-pro3 and the titanium finishes. Man I loved that camera but the issues with the back screen really put me off. I loved the screen too but that sub lcd failing so often just didn't provide the confidence I needed. Fingers crossed for an x-pro4 one day with that new battery. Thanks for your response and have a great week.
Hi Ken, I really enjoyed this review. I appreciate your reviews. Thanks Ken 😊
Thanks!
I find the AF way better than Z6. Please explain your views.
Yes, I came from Z6 and upgraded to ZF. 3D tracking and eye autofocus significantly faster. Also big improvement on autofocus sensitivity under low light. Not to mention the new AI features: it now recognizes pets, cars and planes. Overall a major upgrade from Z6.
It is waaaay better than the Z6, but still misses way too often. My views come fro actual shooting and not from any published specifications, reviews or manufacturer claims.
@@KenRockwellTV I use 3d tracking. Once the focus locks (which is almost always instantaneous), it sticks and never misses, be it for photos or for video.
I dont understand when these reviewers complain about the new Nikon AF, I do think it's still a tiny bit behind Canon and Sony but it depends on the situation where sometimes it will even bear them.
My Wife who uses a Canon and my friend who uses a Sony praised the AF on my Zf when they used it.
What I am observing is a lot of these reviewers are like "oh why doesn't this work the same way my Sony/Canon does".
I feel shutter through body when shooting with mechanic shutter.
Pixel shift don't work on Zf with flash or radio trigger (studio).
Auto ISO is not controlled with dials
Size still bigger that FM
Not ergonomic to use with big lenses (like 50mm 1.2)
Nikon has a limited selection of lenses for the ZF mount.
Old sensor from Z6 (2018 year)
Thanks!
Do you reckon it's better to go for Nikon Z6 II for just regular Photography when you're shooting Nature, Night, or even Street Photography handheld?
No, I prefer Canon. If you have to use Nikon, then yes, the Z6 II is the same insides with an easier to use body. The Zf is designed to look retro at the expense of utility. I prefer the Canon EOS R6 II. Thanks!
Ken's observations are logical, to the point and very useful to photographers at all levels. Thank you, Ken!
Thank YOU!!!
Ken love your reviews no bias and very honest .
Thank you!!!!!
No bias?
I will stick with my Df for the time being then. Thanks for another honest review!
Enjoy!
If I want to get the Nikon 28-400mm, is it too big for everyday use on a Zf? Do people use the dedicated shutter and ISO dials on the Zf or just get it for the look and end up just use the front and rear dials more which means the Z6III will make more sense with the better grip and even better EVF even let say you just want to use a small lens on it? Also what camera and lenses you carry or you just use phone while travel and everyday hangout and situations?
I shoot for fun, art, contest and gig if possible tho I haven't done yet, my plan is to get that lens with Zf ith the 28-400mm and a Sony Xperia 1 VI phone (26,24,48,85-170, 2X macro) to be always with me waterproof and macro camera, down the line I might get the 14-30 and Voigtländer 50mm F1 if I want to maximize what I can get from wider shots and also when I need boleh which is rare time but that manual lens and aesthetic of the lens is nice! And I love Yellow colour, hope Nikon will make a Yellow colour Zf like they did with the new colour entries on the Zf! 💛
The Z 28-400 is a reasonably sized lens. I prefer the Z6 to the Zf for actual shooting, and I prefer ruth Canon system (R6 II) even more. Thanks!
As always, spot on. I shoot Nikon and have constant problems with dust on the sensor. Lack of sensor cover seems like a small problem but its a constant source of annoyance, esp. since the viewinder has potato resolution of ~720p so you wont see the dust specks until you are back home in front of your computer.
Thanks for the observation!
Hi Ken. You loved the ZFC but hate the ZF yet the ZF is seems to be basically just a full frame ZFC (or am I wrong) with a slightly more robust body ( Z6 rehoused). What gives my overly learned friend? Btw I have the ZFC with the awesome 16-50 kit lens and the 24mm 1.7 prime with smallrig grip and love it. Just curious.
Very different. When you actually shoot for hours every day, small ergonomic differences become huge - like a pebble in your riding boot. The ZFc handles great and has a tiny little lens, while the Zf just gets in the way. Thanks!
@@KenRockwellTV Thanks very much for the reply. I'm not a pro so I love those smaller lenses. That all makes sense. Love your reviews, they are so comprehensive.
so… if you compare it with a nikon DF, I mean in functionality and ISO?
Df is ten years older. Df is much better for use with non-AI, AI, and AI-s lenses while the Zf is much clumsier with them, while the Zf of course works also with the newest Z lenses which the Df does not. Full Df review at www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/df.htm see also kenrockwell.com/nikon/z/zf.htm, whereto can see sample high ISO images for each. as a much newer camera the Zf is much better at foolishly high ISOs, but if you're shootign at ISO 204,800 you're doing something wrong. Thanks!
I'm renting one right now to evaluate if I want one for travelling for low light days. I'm tempted but the ergonomics as Ken points out aren't great. I prefer using my Fuji X-T5. The image quality is good so while I think I will pass on buying one, I may still rent one for my trip.
Enjoy! Ask if you have any questions. Thanks.
Honest and on point! Thx
Thank you!
Totally agree with Ken’s description of this ZF’s ergonomic issues. When it was first announced i was all set to buy this camera. But then i had the chance to actually hold and operate it at a dealer’s promotional event. While it feels very solid (actually, heavy!), it is so uncomfortable to hold and operate. Really do try to hold one of these before you buy one.
Exactly! Try it and you’ll see. Thanks.
Been looking forward to your video review on this - web review was great and had loads of good info.
I ended up getting a Zfc after looking at your review of it (among other reviews, of course) - couldn't justify the cost of a Zf since I'm barely dipping my toes into photography (Your site has been a fantastic help with that, very much appreciated!)
Myself, I like the shutter speed dial as it kind of helps me more easily visualize and learn the conditions that different shutter speeds, ISO, etc need to be adjusted towards & I also just enjoy the process of figuring it out.
I actually use it with some Series E lenses & a Mitakon Zhongyi Turbo Mark II adapter that touts to negate the crop factor, which seems to work well to my untrained eye - I do not use my FTZ adapter with manual lenses for the exact reasons you described - that's reserved for the couple of DX lenses that I've picked up from thrift & pawn shops.
Thanks!
This is a Great Camera! I'm using it professionally since oct'23 and no regret at all! Architecture images that I made with this camera are excellent as well as corporate portraits. AF is perfect for people and all the buttons are customizable. You can't go wrong with this camera! ( just buy a Smallrig grip, to improve the camera ergonomics ).
Thanks!
I really like KR's reviews for saying what he doesn't like. Often reviews say everything is marvellous. I like my Nikon ZF despite all the criticisms which I agree with. Have been using Sony a7riv and find myself drifting back to Nikon. I like trying my Nikon lenses on ZF with adaptor. I am trying to think of a better Z lens which is small.
I use the Z 24-200 or Z 28-400 www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/z/24-200mm.htm or www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/z/28-400mm.htm
so the Df might still be the best option to use the old Nikon AI (and even Pre-AI) on digital body? 🤔🤔
Exactly! Only one like it. Full review at www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/df.htm
@@KenRockwellTV Thanks Ken! I was told Df is terrible at auto focuing, but it won't be an issue if only use manual focusing lenses. Perhaps that's why Nikon put the D610 auto focusing system to save cost and assuming the majority of the users would stay with manual lenses anyways.
Not sure why you would use those lenses, but modern S lenses from Nikon are spectacular.
@@turingcs2001 yes, but too large and don't match the styling of the Zf
@@turingcs2001 well.. they are cheap and they are fun to use..
Thanks!
You’re very welcome.
It is a z6ii sensor but the processor and AF is all z8/z9
And it works just like the Z6 II. Thanks!
@@KenRockwellTV No it doesn't. The auto focus capability is very different.
@@kaihsiangjuthis dude isn't to be trusted reviewing camera which are not Canon. He is way to in love with canon to give a honest review
Hi Ken, I found your channel after reading the article explaining LV & EV on your website. I think if you did a good video explaining that concept, it would easily become one of the most viewed photography videos on CZcams. It’s the single most impactful basic lesson on photography that I’ve learned. Thanks
Thanks!
Zf is a gateway to nikon for me. So far I used fujifilm and considered going leica or gfx to get better quality. ZF is great middle ground. Compact, great AF and quality. I hope they will keep working on ZF line, bring more lenses and improve design without loosing vintage vibe. Thanks for review!
I find nothing better than the image I get from Nikon. It's all about color and how they look; Fuji and LEICA lack the precise colors I demand in my work. Thanks!
As poser as it is, I would still take this camera 1000X over the FujiFilm X100VI. That is ultimate poser hipster youngling. This Zf at least has the option to switch lenses and is full frame.
Absolutely! It’s not as good for real shooters as Canon, but way ahead of Fuji. Thanks!
Thanks for the valuable review.
I would prefer a Nikon Df II (support of AI-S and pre-AI lenses) that comes with IBIS, an improved AF (from the D780).
Regarding usability I like knobs and buttons that allow changing a very limited number of settings. The remaining settings can stay in the menu forever.
Thanks!
I don't care about AI-S and pre-AI lenses on mirrorless since MF and TTL metering works perfectly fine stopped down. I do care about having screwdrive AF on Nikon Z. There are many lenses which never got an AF-S or Z incarnation. And many of the super lightweight plastic lenses without VR would benefit from the IBIS on a mirrorless camera.
Thanks Ken , my thoughts exactly.
If Nikon had put the guts of this camera (particularly the auto focus system) in a Z6 like body , I would be a Nikon shooter today .
Maybe the Z6iii will do it for me .
Please stop bashing Thai production . I have visited a number of hitech Thai production facilities , and I personally know several Thai engineers. They are world class . I'm old enough to remember when "Made in Japan" was synonymous with garbage
The Zf has the guts of the Z6 mk II. I still prefer Canon. Thanks!
The Z6 III will likely be similar to the Zf (or so a rep told me) and that would make the most logical sense at this point. It saves Nikon some money on not having to re-invent the wheel entirely, and it gives people a decent upgrade to the existing Z6's.
The only issue I have with the Zf is the shutter release. It's much too sensitive. Quite often I take two pictures instead of one.
Oops! I fix this by setting the frame rate to 3 FPS, otherwise most cameras do this at 5 FPS and higher. Thanks!
@@KenRockwellTV Thank you, but it's set at single frame(!).
I have moved to back to a d500 as it is for price used IMHO the best bird camera if you do not want to spend for a Z9 or 8. As for the ZF I like the retro look and always added a arcaswiss grip plate to my XT fujis and that helps ...have not shot the ZF to see how the AF is ....I am told it has good tracking .....in the end we can get used to anything as I have shot Fuji Nikon Canon Sony and Olympus all have their strengths and weaknesses.
Thanks!
Honest and on point as always. Most reviewers do not have the audacity to say things that you've said in the video.
I’m just honest because 1.) I’m not sponsored by anyone, so paying my expenses myself I can say what I feel, and 2.) with over 50 years of hard daily shooting behind me, I have a pretty good idea of what’s important and what’s not. Thanks!
Thanks Ken! In a moment of weakness, I bought a broken FE for $30 and took a chance that my local repair tech could fix it, cheap. New mirror and repaired shutter release/film advance (must’ve taken a really hard hit) $85 later (including shipping) and I’ve got a nice FE! A Zf? No thanks, I’ll stick with my D700, but it’s great to see what’s new! Have a great day!
Thanks!
Thank you Ken! I knew you'd shoot us the real deal, uniquely qualified to talk about a vintage styled camera.
I think I'll try to track down a Df, lack of IBIS be damned.
Ibis is mostly marketing; it doesn’t add anything unless your lenses are unstabilized. Df only has value for non AI lenses, which are unusual to find today and best ignored. Stick with AI and that opened the door to every FX DSLR, which works great with them. Treat yourself to a new D850 and enjoy www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d850.htm
Another good one! Ken - been following you since 2004! 20 years ! Thank you for everything 🙏🏻
Thank YOU! Send me an email from the contact page on my site anytime I can help. Thanks!!!!!!!
They should have put in a larger grip for full size battery and also have 2 SD slots. While the camera has higher tech inside with Expeed 7, great AF in video, the operation of camera could have been better thought out. Still lots of great features though including the screen. This camera is mostly aimed at the advanced enthusiast and vlogger/content creator, less so for the daily pro image photographer. Z6iii is coming out soon this year to address any issues.
The Z6 II is the better thought-out version of this that you describe. Thanks!
Z6iii will be here soon for the modern ergos guys, for those that love dials the Zf is fantastic.
Wait, which Sony doesn't lock the mirror when you turn it off? And hard disagree on the AF. I've only owned Sonys and this Nikon and it matches them very well
Different models may or may not cover the sensor when off. The best versions give yo that option in a menu. Thanks!
@@KenRockwellTVthe more expensive models
I prefer these ergonomics vs the Canon R3 and Z6ii. Why? Because I don't use the controls that much. Back button focus, aperture on the lens ring, shutter on the front dial, and ISO on auto. I have the dial on top to force the ISO out of auto if I'm not looking at the viewfinder/screen, ditto for the shutter dial. I never change the exposure mode... do you really change modes often? I guess you're a jpg shooter so maybe the in-camera settings matter more to you. RE: the camera specs - what the? It has the same processor as the Z8/Z9, not the Z6/7s. I find it is a big improvement for autofocus and video modes. I don't know, it just seems like a lot of fuss over relatively unimportant details.
Thanks!
Having the same sensor as the Z6 doesn't hurt the Zf's autofocus but it does mean the video specs are almost the same as the Z6. For example, 4K60p on the Zf is cropped.
Thanks for this. My experience with it has been positive overall. Had it since release. But it's a 70s-80s styled camera and it's mostly supposed to be used as one. I've been using it with AIS lenses and works perfectly fine. I wouldn't care much about trivia such as the cable release (and yes i tried it too, it doesn't work). The hole is there for those who prefer to add those soft release buttons. And to be honest I'm uncertain of what you'd expect: you're annoyed that something as obsolete as the release cable isn't compatible yet at the same time you'd rather have the shutter dial removed 😂
For me, it's a near perfect replacement of my old FM3A although in terms of weight and size it's, I feel, closer to the Nikon F.
Thanks!
Enjoyed your critical review Ken! Had a few good laughs!😅
Thanks!
Great review Ken as always , apparently Nikon uses the same tiny rear LCD screen from the tiny toy like ZFC on this ZF. It's really like a parts bin camera made to look cool with compromises and still too expensive , probably will be good value when discounted I see value at around $1499 USD as its basically the guts of the old Z6II and bits off the ZFC.
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Incorrect. Zfc screen is 3in. Zf screen is 3.2in. The Zfc screen also has half the resolution.
@@livejames9374 your wrong it is the same screen size from zfc your resolution is bs .
@@destinyangel5 Are you saying Nikons webpage and specifications are wrong? Lmao. Just take the L and allow yourself to learn some correct information.
Per Nikon the ZFc is 3.0 inch 1040k dot
Per Nikon the Zf is 3.2 inch 2100k dot
@@livejames9374 Your eyes can't tell the difference in resolution it's marketing fluff and the actual LCD screen is the same as ZFC the black frame bezel l around the ZF screen is different slightly bigger.
Hey all, is this camera good enough to shoot street style photography, especially during fashion week. Looking to invest in it. Thank you
more than enough
More than enough, but honestly an iPhone is a much better choice for photos on the fly www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-15-pro-max.htm There are too many settings that will demand attention as conditions change that need to be made on the Zf from shot to shot as conditions change, and messing with these will lose photo opportunities. iPhone always get the shot. Thanks!
This cam is my dream cam.
Thanks!
this gentleman is an honest man
Thanks!
What I wouldn't give to have a consistent UI across all modern Nikons!
Thanks, Mark!
I had no idea about the fake threaded cable release! Also, my almost 10 year old D5600 lets you use the rear touch screen to move the focus point too (although the setting is buried in the menus), I've always thought they should include that feature in everything including their pro bodies, it seems like a no-brainer! Either way, thanks again for a great run down!
Excellent; I forgot about that. THANKS!!
@@KenRockwellTV Mine works in the finder too, it's one of the oddball settings called assign touchscreen or something like that. The only reason I know is because I had to re learn how to look through the finder because my nose kept touching the screen andmoving the af point! Once I got over that though, it was a function I used all the time.
@@jackthoreson Thanks! I had forgotten about that - more reasons I'm unimpressed by Nikon's mirrorless offerings. THANKS!!!!!
I wanted to get back into nikon system with this camera but they went with this horrible vlog style LCD screen sadly.
Plenty of other options in Nikon, and I prefer Canon anyway. Look at my fave, the R6 mk II www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/r6-ii.htm
I agree with your critique of the body, You did not even get to the compromised grip and memory card slots.
Got Zf in March. Traded away D750 + 2 lenses I seldom used, and a SONY a6300 and lenses I had for it. Personal use, mostly NYC walking around (+ 14-30 S f/4, 24-70 f/4 S, cheap TTArtiaan f11mm f/2.8 fisheye and for use on DSLR and with FTZii the Voightlander Ultron 40 f/2)
Keeping for now D810, D7200 and D7500 and various FX and DX lenses. So I still don't have a body with joystick.
Thanks!
Hmm. Been looking at this camera for a while. Maybe better to wait for the z6iii? The problem with this and the 6 and 7 is the small size. Only the z8 feels comfortable in my hands. But $4,000? Not comfortable in my wallet.
Move up to Canon. Thats what I did in 2013 and I’m so glad I did. Nikon’s autofocus is ooor compared to Canon or Sony, and Canon’s ergonomics are better as well. Nikon is way behind in Mirrorless. Thanks!
@@KenRockwellTV Ha! Thanks but no thanks. 🙂 I've handled Canon including the R5. Close but no cigar. Still prefer the d500. Maybe I'll pick up the z8 in 4 years when it's more affordable!
@@lsaideOK Cool; that's why there are so many different cameras out there. Thanks!
Well at least it's not a cannon plastic fantastic. This is a great camera and I carry one everywhere I go as an everyday shooter. I could see where others are a little jealous...
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Most of the Zf is plastic, actually. Only the top plate, the ISO/shutter speed/exposure comp dials, the internal frame, and the lens mount are metal.
Funny stuff right there...
I just want a D600 😢
Review at kenrockwell.com/nikon/d600.htm
The more I see reviews of Nikon mirrorless cameras, the more I want to keep my Nikon D500.
It's a shame that Nikon killed serious cameras with APS-C sensors.
Poser camera: I didn’t know that term. Great review. Greetings from Brazil!
Thanks!
???? The Z8 is a better full frame camera and a better d500 all in one body.
@@livejames9374 I was referring to Nikon cameras with APS-C sensors. For now I don't intend to buy any Nikon mirrorless. The Z8 has a very poorly designed LCD mechanism. They should use an LCD with a mechanism similar to this Zf
@@livejames9374 I referred to Nikon APS-C cameras. I don't even want the Z8 for free. The D500 does everything I need and the Z8's LCD screen is a shame. Why didn't they use the same Zf mechanism?
@@livejames9374 Better just depends on what purpose you use it for. Z8 is definitely more expensive
When you want the real review, wait for Ken! Always the best! Thanks Ken.
Oh man, you rule. Thanks!!!
You are most welcome Ken!
Real shame they did not make an adapter for af and afd
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Great review. Finally someone actually talks about the usability of the camera. Everyone else just talks mostly about technical stuff. Tony from Tony & Chelsea Northrup talked about the horrible UX design on Fujifilm X100VI. We actually need more reviews pointing out things like this so camera manufacturers can work on improvement in this area.
Exactly, but remember that I shoot every day for a living, unlike the other ‘reviewers’ you see who spend all their time reading and talking rather than actually shooting. See also www.kenrockwell.com/tech/2-kinds-of-photographers.htm
You close the shutter when changing lenses by removing the battery while the camera is powered on.
Nikon should have a switch or button. When I swap lenses I'm already juggling body / lens1 / lens2. Take out the battery as well? No thank you....
Hacker! Love how you think.
You are a giant !! You made zf look like zfc ora toy
The thing is SO HEAVY though!! But I have tiny T-Rex arms so perhaps I'm not the best judge.....
Agree, it's rather odd sized to resemble a retro slr, and it's also too big to hold in the hand comfortably.
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This is my biggest complain with ZF, I am used to 1hand shooting with fuji x100 but ZF is too heavy on my wrist (just added thumbs rest recently that helps a bit}
Only 100g heavier than Z6 and 200 if you add the grip. Lighter than a DSLR such as D810, but heavier than a Sony. I have no complaint because I use heavy lenses such as 35-150 F2-2.8 and 100-400. Camera body weight actually helps balance lens weight.
Re D40, I meant just as a fun look through history.
Have a great day.
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Honestly, I have a bit of Arthritis in the fingers I could hold a Nikon Z 6 II with 24-70 2.8 s lens with no issue, but the ZF I tried it with the Grip and the 24-70s 2.8 s lens and it was very difficult to hold and the shutter button is awkwardly placed it was difficult for me. This is my opinion and how I felt. I suggest to anyone who wants to buy the ZF to hold the camera first. I am not sure why Nikon could not take the technology inside the ZF and put it into the Z6 2 body to make it the Z6 3. I think Nikon should have released the Z6 3 first or together with the ZF. And, if Nikon wanted to go all out Retro they should have made it a camera for Photo's only no video since they went all out on the ergonomics because you have to buy a grip in addition to the camera to make it more usable, and the grip may or may not work for everyone. This is my own opinion and constructive feedback.
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i hear you ken. many valid points. however i used to shoot medium format. 12 shots per roll. if you cant do it in 12, don't shoot. you're just hoping for a win, not planning for a win. even we used to look down on the 36 shot 35mm boys. now with digital you can bracket the hell out of all shots. you literally cant miss unless you are blind. even then you probably got a good chance.
i find myself these days shooting manual with fixed shutter & fixed aperture and auto iso as the iso on modern cameras is amazing. photography is always about lighting. that does not matter what body you have. recently i was impressed with the throw in the bag at all times fugi XS20 & im looking at the nikon ZF as a 2nd. for me i want durable. less buttons. less distraction. longer firmware updates and OEM support. i also like the organic feel of the classic bodied nikons.
if you want the ultimate in DSP and auto everything. buy an iphone 15 max ultra pro +. will even smooth out the wrinkles on the fly ;)
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the one good thing is that the "Nikon" letters don't lean.
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Yes the pancakes are crappy plastic but they also likely didn't cost as much either. I always find it a bit comical that people poke fun at the plastics on these lenses. Yes they're cheap plastic but the optics and price are decent and I think the price is very appropriate (the SE is a little over priced IMO for the extra retro look, but it costs about $30 more than the plain one and neither have an aperture ring). I'd gladly pay say $399 for one that had a conventional aperture ring.
As to the button locks on the dials... they only lock in the "C" position for ISO and the 1/3-Step position for shutter speed (but otherwise are unlocked in all other positions). I think that little bit was omitted so I'd partially agree with that complaint as it does apply, but only when the dials are at certain positions. But I do agree that it would be nice if the dial was back farther and perhaps the lever for B+W, Photo and Video was moved to the front or perhaps but on the back of the camera since people are not likely going to need to change back and forth that quickly (maybe between color and B+W mode but not video). But there are other ways they could have done this too.
The one feature they SHOULD HAVE included though (that is not retro) would be a focus stick. Even Fuji puts these on their cameras even though they are also going for the sake type of "retro" look and feel. I think it's one exception that most people (even purists) would understand if it was included, and it would be appreciated.
The one feature I really do like with the Zf (that I don't think other Z cameras have currently) is the manual focus assist with subject tracking (this is great for when adapting old manual focus lenses).
But as usual, I think Ken does the review just so he can complain about the camera. We know it will never be exactly the same as the old FM cameras and that there will be differences. You may be more suited to use one of the other cameras if you find the layout and setup of the Zf to be a concern.
I will admit the camera has its quirks but I traded in my Z6 II for this and fel it was a worthwhile upgrade. I always enjoyed shooting film here and there but with the cost of film and development, and the rate I shoot, I would have paid about the same price as a Zf in about 2-3 years so for me, while it's not perfect by any means, it is one step closer and a nice comrpomise to give me a somewhat of a film shooting look/feel but without the added expense of film and processing and will cost less in the long run than using film. I still shoot film but much less now that I have the Zf, maybe 1 or 2 rolls a month versus about 4 or 6 a month.
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Nice review.. I guess I have no desires for gear after switching from digital back to film.. it's all about shooting film.. all 'em sony a7r, a93 ,nikon z9, z8 etc... don't intrigue me...
Thanks! For 35mm, try my two favorites: the LEICA M3 from 1954 www.kenrockwell.com/leica/m3.htm (manual focus, film advance and exposure) or the CONTAX G2 (auto focus, advance and exposure) www.kenrockwell.com/contax/g-system.htm. Either of them have optics so sharp that they make SLR lenses look like they're broken by comparison.
It is true this is a cool looking camera but sucks at the handling. So if u wanna look cool then this is the cam for you. For everyone else go get the Z6 ii or the R6 ii. Both handling are lightyear ahead of the Zf. Keep shooting 👍🏽
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Nice to see a real review. Took the ZF to Costa Rica nice photos they looked great. Returned it after I got back for all the reasons you pointed out. Looks cool but did not user experience auto iso is a pain. Got a Canon R5 love the way it just works.
Yes! Canon is soooo much better, but you have to own and shoot both brands every day to make the differences so apparent. No one else seems to have this level of experience AND economic independence (no sponsorship) to be able to say it. Thanks!
@@KenRockwellTVI’d take my Z8 over my R5 everyday of the week. 😮
Ken's not wrong at all. But as a person who uses the camera, it really depends on a kind of 'sparking joy' that a camera like this can do for someone like me. The camera looks and feels good to me, so it makes me want to use it - despite clearly sacrificing a lot of ergonomics. The lack of custom settings that he talks about is a real issue though - and Nikon could do a real solid for owners by putting that in a firmware update. And yes, the threaded shutter release that doesn't work with a cable release is shameful. My Fujifilm XE1 from more than 10 years ago and was a lower-end enthusiast camera even then works flawlessly with old releases from the '70s.
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still stuck on 24mp...a 33-36mp would have made it more appealing, the r8 at least compensates it with an uncropped 4k 60p which probably would have been more challenging with a higher resolution sensor...
See www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm thanks.
Great work as always Ken. Have a great day!
Would be fun for you to do a D40 revisit, showing it will still do a lot.
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I've moved on; D40 was great 20 years ago but it's totally obsolete today. Look at a D3500 or a Canon R50 instead for much better pictures. Thanks!
People don’t like the Fuji 100 V and 100 VI because they look retro. They like them because they take good pictures without going into Photoshop.
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"It's made to look cool rather than work cool" damn
Especially when you compare the ergonomic focus of the original FM with the dial and rewind all being accessible in the same area (as you show), the Zf looks like they took that and then just added a bunch more dials and buttons everywhere else without much thought
also i gotta say, i always appreciate your details on what's metal. metal is the best. ken is my favorite metallurgist. ALL HAIL METAL
i feel i get a good idea of the feel of a product in your reviews that way!
another great vid, your attention to detail is awesome!
Thank you!!!!!
LOL - trashing the dials at the top because they're not modern when the intent of this camera is to provide a retro feel and look. Sure, it's a niche market and not meant for those who want a modern camera feel. I have a Z8, Z6ii, Z7 and a Zf. I absolutely needed the Smallrig grip, but now I'm off to the races with the Zf and I absolutely love it. It's not a Z8....we know that. But I have absolutely no buyers remorse with the Zf even with the Z6iii now out. Image quality is fantastic, I like having a flippy screen option and the eye autofocus actually works great despite what this video says. Auto - ISO? I just reprogram the video record button to ISO and use the command dials which is very little difference than my other Z cameras. The problem with this review is that it doesn't start with Nikon's intention for this camera. Calling it a poser camera is ridiculous and misses the point of the launch entirely......can't believe Ken would make this comment (poser 40mm f2 lens, sure). In my opinion, Nikon nailed it with this camera.....there's very little difference in my workflow and button assignment with the Zf vs the other Z cameras which makes it easy to switch between. The missing joystick is THE biggest issue I have with this camera. Take this review with a grain of salt. This is a great camera. If you have the funds for a Z8, buy that of course. Want the best ergonomics at a lower price, buy a Z6ii or Z7ii. Want a fun camera that performs better than a Z6ii but not at a Z8 level, the Zf is a fantastic choice. It keeps the same great Z6ii dynamic range (better than Z6iii) with better cAF than the Z6ii at a better price than the Z6iii. It's a pretty sweet option. And that's not to mention the quick B&W switch that I love.
Thanks! I say it like it is.
Thanks for the review. I've seen a few from others and no one even mentioned the lack of custom buttons whilst extolling its virtues. You have been way, way, more rounded. It is a nice camera but way too much style over substance at the price, IMO. Others like it that's great................
It’s for people who want a nice camera rather than a tool for someone who has to shoot it every day for a living. Thanks.
The problem is not exactly the lack of custom buttons (it has Fn, DISP, Playback, REC, and AF/AEL) but rather the loss of dedicated buttons (drive mode, AF area/mode, ISO) which force you to sacrifice some of the buttons for common functions.
And Nikon hopes to steal some Fujifilm's marketshare in retro-styled camera, with a full frame sensor (since Fujifilm don't make full frame cameras)
This Zf has its limitations, but it’s far superior to anything from Fuji.
Value for money? Quality of pictures? Quality of video? Handling? All rated 1-5 thank you.
Value 3. Pix quality 5 (but zero when the AF system often misses). Video - haven’t tried. Handling 2
I love the retro styling. But, $2000? I don't love it that much.
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The Fuji XT-1 is the camera the Nikon Df should have been... Wait, there's the Zf now!
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@@KenRockwellTV Oh, just a joke about something often said around 12 years ago :p
After the D4S nikon has kicked out junk they are so far behind they should just pack it in..
But old people who remember 35mm still remember the good old days and keep buying Nikon. I’m all in for Canon in digital. Thanks.
It's actually a terrific camera. Maybe it's just not for you.
Exactly! I'm all about great pictures rather than having a great camera. Thanks!
Sadly Nikon is not alone in abandoning Japan. Fuji is dumping production of even their halo X100VI to China - I was surprised when I saw that on mine. It is what it is.
That’s why I’ve shot Canon ever since 2013. I vote with my dollars. Thanks!
@@KenRockwellTV Honestly if Canon built an X100VI clone in Japan but with usable menus I'd buy it tomorrow and sell this X100VI. I love the camera itself but the menus are maddening. I am figuring it out but it is taking far longer than it should. Maybe I'm just getting old?
lol brutal! careful nikon doesn’t blacklist you like they did Tony and Chelsea 😂
Nikon has always ignored me. What do you mean by “blacklisted?” Thanks!
So if people trash a company and its products, they’re supposed to still be obligated to give them review units, press access etc?
@@KenRockwellTV probably, I also think they are smaller than Sony and Canon so don't have a lot of marketing budget.
@@LiquidTurbo Nikon's never given me anything; I'm completely independent exactly like Consumer Reports. Thanks!
If its not Canon it's crap
Yea, brother. It’s not 1987 anymore.
A lot of manufacturers putting out great kit right now, but you go on and limit yourself...
Unless you're a pro, or a Gear Head....... I see it useless to spend a lot of money on this stuff. Ive had my inexpensive D5600 for years now that's still going after 200 clicks on it. It was my backup camera in the day when I shot for a living. Now, the perfect travel camera. Im sorry, but this is a gimmick device. When I want something old, I will reach for my F100, or any other film camera, and shoot film. As a child of the film age, I really appreciate the older stuff, not the newer cameras that look old. Pointless device. Sorry, but my opinion. Id rather have money for travel instead.
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I’ll stick to my D750.
For use with older lenses, DSLRs are much better choices. Thanks!
If Nikon came out with full frame, ibis, 40mp in a body with size and weight same as the Z50, it would be perfect. I need something like that for hiking. Nikon are you listening??? 😵
Thanks. I prefer the Canon EOS R8 for that www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/r8.htm , and prefer APS-C R10 even more www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/r10.htm
It's simply not possible to have full frame and IBIS in a Z50 body, unless you give up something like the screen (which saves 6-7mm or so). If you open up a Zf, there isn't much space inside.
Looks likes a Hard Pass
I don’t like it. I’m pretty clear that I prefer the EOS R6 Mk II www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/r6-ii.htm, but we all have our own preferences. As a daily shooter Im strongly looking for a camera that gets out of my way and lets me get my pictures with a minimum of fiddling. Thanks!
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Please, make camera better than talk. Don’t thank me for popularizing this video😊
OK then.
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Nikon's design choices are baffling. I have no use for this camera whatsoever. This looks painful to use.
It’s even more painful to use! Thanks.
The fake cable release threading was enough to tell me that Nikon wasn't really serious with this camera and was just trying to pay lip service to the nostalgic crowd.
Agreed! Poser cam, like a LEICA. Thanks!
fuji even in their cheap x-e4 has these threads if you like those
@@Keckegenkai I know, I have an X100VI now that is threaded for a traditional cable release. I love the old style cable release. On other cameras I actually usually use the smartphone app, all the proprietary cable release connectors are silly.
@@RoastBeefSandwich you can have a triple safety against unwanted vibrations; cable release, timer and ibis (in the x100vi alteast)
@@KenRockwellTVthe only poser is you