This, right here is a smart father. Got his daughter into car audio and now he can fill all "lay down" space in the vehicle with speakers. Hat's off to you!
You’re a cool dad, my dad tutted and disapproved his way through to helping me install my first system and still complains about sounds systems in my car 20 years later. He still asks to listen to the system whenever I make changes though, I treasure those times with my Old Man... :)
That’s just the common denominator with fathers. I still remember the build I did for my father. He made me learn by myself the first time (through CZcams) then magically told me he did this too smh. Appreciate him though
@@dinozaurpickupline4221 I approve upon my daughter constantly. I need her to know there's 1 man in her life that will always support & help with all the crazy shit she does & wild ideas she has. when she gets in my suv, first thing she says is "can u play the stereo loud?" I can guarantee I'll be helping her with her system builds & upgrades
I’m not sure a ported box makes it much louder, but it does sound very different. Sealed boxes sound more “bumpy” while ported sounds more “boomy” to me.
@@TheLILWITEFITZ yes a difference of better or worse I don't know and I guess to try it would let me know. Good shout. I just wonder if it will be a waste of time. The boxes to buy are 100 to 200 or I could try make it for like 50. "If in doubt check it out" 😉
I remember this subwoofer. I was running two sealed Massive CW 12's at the time. My best friend pulls up from the stereo shop and we go for a cruise around the block. A single Punch Power 15 in a huge Obcon ported box... the difference blew my mind! Fast forward 15ish years, I still think of that single sub setup.
@@VincentsVideoVisions A single CT Sounds Strato 12 off a Cerwin Vega Stroker S91000.1D, and in my family car a VVX 10 off an Infinity K1000. Swapping a Wolfram AG12 this week. Not sure which car will end up with the AG yet, most like mine
I love those old Rockfords... I'm running an old school Rockford Fosgate power 500.1bd on one Cerwin vega stroker 12 at 1ohm. They dont recommend running them 1ohm but it slams very well for one sub in a small vented enclosure. I hope my little girl takes to bass the way yours has... Props to ya man. Any way a man can bond with his kids is a win. Just a plus getting to do it with something you enjoy. Congrats to ur daughter for the 1st place finish....
This was a great vid. I just told my adult son..who is getting his first system..that he needs a sealed box...BECAUSE they hit harder. I was just proven wrong. Ive believed for years, that sealed hits harder. I had 2 old Kicker 15s in a sealed box and I used to set off Car alarms..and THAT was my guage. They sat in the back of a Sport Explorer and had plenty of airspace to expand. Thanks for the vid. Cheers from N SEATTLE
The power line amps are as good or better than old school But I miss my old school RF shredder design. The punch and prime definitely not as good as old school
@@jaydee2620 yeah my buddy got a punch p3 and that thing was weak. i had one of those old cheap sony's that looked kinda like a hexagon just sitting around so we through it in there to make sure it wasn't the amp that was the weakest link.. man that sony blew that thing away. ended up trading him for the fosgate being i wasn't using the sony anyway. now i'm stuck with it.
Love your videos!! Great for Brianna!!! .... With larger area ports the db gain over sealed does get higher.. Eventually it does go 3 db louder... In fact sometimes more 4 to 5 db... But always prove it with a meter!!! Nobody argues with a good meter!!
She's quite the basshead, just started her own channel - czcams.com/channels/TKrYsApDlmKB3v5tG7__3w.html?pbjreload=10 - She took 1st in Rookie at the Team Deadly Hertz show, you can see her meter run here - czcams.com/video/2O4SeJzHci4/video.html She is currently a 151.5, her latest competition was the Frozen SPL show - czcams.com/video/ChR0gRUubCc/video.html Thanks for watching and commenting! Please like & Subscribe!!!! - Meter used was an SSA APM1 Meter. The enclosure has separate chambers, 2.5cf each after displacements, with the port flares it is tuned to 35hz
Steve Young im running a prime 500 2ohm to a single p2 12 2 ohm in a p box single ported. It does good for 1.8 cf box but i want a lil more out of it ! Any help would be appreciated . Was thinkn bout goin to a p3 but i dont think the 500 prime can push it? Ty
A lot of people now days don't appreciate how loud the oldschool stuff can get. I'm kinda sad that Rockford is no longer USA made :( Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@E4EonEbay were the old school subs and amps really that loud tho? my dad always tells me that the systems back then were really loud but then i went to an audio shop w him and he told one of the newer younger guys how it used to get loud and the dude started sayin that its better now n u can pay half the price for double the output but idk i didnt live thru the 80’s and 90’s when bass was really common, anyways im jus trynna ask if the old school stuff was as loud as they are today
@@Nico-jk4sb Yes they were. The main brands like Rockford, JL, Cerwin Vega, xtant, Us amps, ppi, Zapco, eclipse, Alpine, and of course Kicker we're the shit and very expensive.
I'm sorry, don't know if anyone has said it or not yet but brother your daughter is cuuute! That is just awesome that you got her into bass AND competing even, doesn't get no better than that right there!!!
@@E4EonEbay niiiiice, what is she running for equipment now? I have two skar Sk3500's strapped on a set of Dave Leib upgraded sundown x12's and I'm right around same score as her but I'm tuned crazy low for subsonic suicide...
Dope... I wstched that vid when you did the comparison a while back... Nice that you passed it down to your " 15yr" old daughter... Sheeesh all the creepers come out pisses me off... Much love n respect to your love of bass and your family homie...
Steve Young im always wayching anything car audio homie... I apreciate you posting and making it fun and all ypur tests and knowledge is really great and super awaome dogg thank ypu
It’s awesome that you gave that system to your daughter and encourage car audio. All I ever heard from my parents My parents was “Waste of money” and “Turn that shit down” lol
I'll never go ported, sealed sounds so much better. Its tighter, punchier, more accurate bass and it has a far better general response across frequencies vs a ported box that sounds baggy and is tuned to sound loud on a very narrow frequency band
Put them in a professional ported box that's set for 32-35 Hz. Guarantee it's slaps way harder... Sealed is for old heads, new school ports are where it's at. We can make one 12, sound like two 15s these days. Your set up it's dope regardless.
What I've noticed is that, to gain 3db or more from the subs in a ported enclosure. You need an enclosure that's ridiculously large. As in like 2x larger. I prefer sealed honestly. My 12s are in a sealed enclosure.
This agrees with the iron law that of course more space makes more Bass. I've always loved triple or quadruple sealed setups because you can fit twice the drivers in the same amount of air space while maintaining a tighter more accurate sound that has more impact. I'm actually headed out to the garage right now to start building my sealed enclosure for three 12-in stereo integrity SQL 12s. They are the best deal out there by a mile if you want ultra high performance xbl2 motor sealed subwoofer setups. Ported can move a lot of air sure but you're never going to get that blur your eyeballs Hammer to the chest at a concert perfect drums feeling out of them.
@@XX-121 if you run enough power on sealed it's still loud but has that concentrated impact and clarity and transient ability that ported doesn't it's worth running twice the power to a sealed setup
In most instances a given drivers optimal ported volume is much larger than it’s optimal sealed volume. That’s why there’s usually a much larger dB difference between the two enclosure types.
I ran that setup for the majority of my rookie season with NADBL, those oldschool subs helped carry me to an undefeated rookie season. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Nice video! I love that old school Fosgate setup too, and it's awesome that you've passed it on. Seems like the best part about a hobby is passing it on to your children :)
All three of my kids are into audio, its a great feeling, if we don't pass out hobbies and interests on to our kids they will fade. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I actually felt my sealed box hits harder than my recently installed ported box. But mainly I see the gains going to a ported enclosure is air cooling and venting the heat out of the woofer which will give you more life out of your electronics! I’ll never buy a sealed box ever again
You've probably gone on to a different setup by now, but I wonder what your air speed is in those ports. They might be compressing your output. Also, porting increases the volume at a specific frequency, so it's not necessarily 'supposed' to be +3dB everywhere in the range. Your port tuning and your listening area's tuning are two very different things.
I have had so many systems but easily my favorite was back when I had a pair of Fosgate DVC 12's in a sealed box running off a MTX Black Gold amp. I just haven't been able to find a sub with the same force factor. I went to 4 12" JL audio 12w3 running off twice the power. It was loud but nothing even close to the beating the 2 Fosgate DVC 12's would give you. I wish Rockford Fosgate would release a classic series of car audio where the legends that made the company would be available. I would buy multiple systems just to have backups of everything.
I just turned 46 this week and I have a 22 year old daughter named Brianna and I installed her system myself like I have done for my trucks for the last 30 years.
That's awesome man! We gotta keep our children involved in the hobby of car audio so the passion can carry on to future generations. Thanks for watching and commenting!
How old are you bro!!!!!!???? Rob??? Cause shes 15 i think she just turned it and your sick asfuck... If i was steve ill beat the shit out of ypu in fact if i knew where ypu was at id still beat the shit out of you... Dick face...
I’m hoping my kids will love this also give us more to do together… I’m hitting 110 with just a random set up. None name brand system with Pioneer radio touchscreen
Nice video reminds me of back in 1998 when I was running 4 punch power DVC 15 with 2 punch power 1000s in a 1987 merkur xr4ti competing in spl competition as a privateer going up against all the car audio shops good stuff man
But what sounds better? I had a sealed box with two Rockford Fosgate punch 12s and a 700watt Rockford amp and it was some of the tightest and cleanest bass and would put out 144db without any stress.
She is running a Punch X crossover which gives a decent bump in RCA signal voltage. I run a Rockford PA1 preamp in my jeep and can get above 8v clean signal to my amps. Definitely makes a difference having strong signal and a lower noise floor. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Actually it's know that doubling power gains about 3 db on average. You can double the amount of speakers and get about the same 3db with that as well. Takes about 3 db for someone to notice a difference in "loudness"
@@davidmarles9409 show me a video where someone is doing 160+db where they simply double their power and gain 3db... do you ever attend serious audio competitions?
@@E4EonEbay I absolutely do and have gone to comps since the early 90's and you know as well as I do that's not what I meant. Once you have achieved the max power your speakers can take this obviously isn't true. Also there is way more to car audio spl than in a building where this holds much more true because a car obviously deflects and panel flex affects max spl....I know what I am talking about and this video wasn't referring to anything like you are saying. Also I listen to real music not test tones and most of us like an even volume through all the bass frequencies not just a specific frequency for spl. I prefer quality over loud.
I’ve moved my boxes around my trunk just to see if the box is facing your back you get different thump or set up as close to the rear as you can speakers facing the rear.
This question might have been asked and answered already in the comment thread but..Would you say in a music listening scenario instead of a db scenario, the sealed gives a better ,tighter, accurate bass response and is worth the loss of 1 plus some change db?? Thanks if you feel like answering! 👍🙏
Since nobody answered I will I absolutely know that the flatter response and better transient response of sealed makes it far superior for me but then again I'm a 46 year old musician that's been a lot of time on a metronome. Also the earthquake reproduction characteristic of sealed where it literally displaces a section of air in your vehicle that is heaven and a ported does not do this it just fans around a whole bunch of air from the port and sub. It never has that instant earthquake shock type impact to it and I like that.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm assuming if the ported side were tuned low enough it could be quite interesting to see. I did do a video showing the excursion side by side playing 20hz - czcams.com/video/gMjPjDh4bK4/video.html
Tuning with a port gains dB at the tuning frequency. The port tune should be at the most efficient frequency for the speaker box design for just boom or after roll off to gain bass extention in a flat out put design
I got nostalgic watching this. Last time I saw 2 Punch Power DVC 15s I installed them in a navigator, custom box with mirrors inside using Aeroports pushed by an Orion HCCA 250. It was humping!
We used to get a lot of db gain on isobaric 3 chamber, all ported, 2 drivers. 30 years ago. I preferred conventional boxes for sound quality..these days if you put 2000 watts to a 10" maybe you won't miss the conventional feel?
I had a similar situation with my triple audiobahn alum10q's. Friend if mine has 3 as well. Mine are sealed and his is ported and we can not find any major differences between the outputs. The difference is that he rebuilt his with dual 4ohm coils and I am using all stock from the shelf subs. I assume that is because AFAIK these are supposed to be in a sealed setup from per manufacture specs. His setup is approximately 2db louder but they sound identical according to the crowd :D
I think it depends on your preference I notice a ported box sounds very good in my Tahoe but in a car it sounds like a lot of rattling but sealed boxes sounds good in my car and Tahoe just not as much bass outside so I feel it depends on the vehicle and enclosed trunk or not and a open space trunk I feel ported sounds better in trucks and seal sound better in cars
he did this with equal size boxes the numbers wont change much or any if he removed the port. to get a bigger number from the ported box you would have to go bigger which is a whole different animal but for apples to apples this is a great video ..i have 9 15s i plan to use in a build and i want to go sealed just for the space savings all the subs inverted
I know most subs require a larger enclosure when going ported however according to the manual the optimal recommended enclosure size for both sealed or ported for these drivers is 2.5cf. Thanks for watching
Right, but with a ported box the bass travels farther and a closed box people will hear the bass hit harder closer to you. A ported box people will hear the bass farther away from you because it travels
In my concern, i prefer a sealed box, large as you can. Because i'm a dj and club's conceptor, i'm also a music lover. But a lot of peoples love the sound of ported enclosures. I don't discuss that, And build a lot of ported for them. So, my point is about the phase of the port.. You could'nt make a real waves with a mécanical off-phase output in this configuration.. I prefer compansate the roll off by more power and good equalisation, who let clean lower band make me smiling.
Thanks for watching and commenting! I should do a video using the meter to illustrate the gains from doubling power, I would want to clamp the amps or use an SMD Amm1 to show a power read out to confirm the power is doubled, would make a cool video.
I feel like every young persons first setup, “including myself” had a somewhat old school system. Gotta appreciate the old equipment. If a girl came up to me and said she was doing 145+ with some punches I woulda called BS 😂
Excursion wise yes, you can see the difference here - czcams.com/video/gMjPjDh4bK4/video.html but not on the meter I think it would drastically lower the score. Thanks for watching and commenting!
1st, if that vehicle is in 50mph front end collision, that box is going to hit the back of your daughter's head at 50mph. That red strap around the PVC is not going to hold it in place. 2nd, your sealed volume is larger than your ported volume because the ports are now part of your volume. 3rd, ported should always be louder then sealed at the resonant frequency. A ported box is optimized for a specific frequency at the expense of others.
You are correct in that there will be roughly 100 cubic inches for a cylinder 4x8 or 0.058 cubic feet added to the sealed volume per side so 2.558 cf sealed vs 2.5 cf ported would technically be more accurate. However I honestly don't feel that 0.058cf (less than 1% , 0.232% to be exact) difference in enclosure volume would have altered the outcome enough to mention. Thanks for watching and commenting! (PS, her rear seatbacks fold and lock upright and she drives with rear seat belts latched in an X. The strap so it doesn't move left or right under normal driving, if seatbelts can hold back two 200lbs people I'm sure they will hold the box from coming through the rear seats...)
@@E4EonEbay Fair enough, your math checks out. I stand corrected. Regarding the speaker box, though, I am genuinely concerned. A 60mph head on collision (say, someone texting crosses the median) can generate enormous forces. It's not uncommon for 50 to 100 Gs to develop. Would your straps wrapped around that PVC pipe hold up a box weight 5,000 or 10,000 pounds or more? Maybe, but I would sleep better with the straps running through a few eye bolts on the sides 😉.
3 dB is the theoretical max at the tuning frequency of the port where the back and front waves are perfectly in phase. Obviously people expecting 3 dB across the spectrum will be disappointed! But ported is still a good bet when well tuned. Even for SQ, with a blindfold and optimal tuning, and especially in a car, almost no one could tell the difference (except the ported would be louder and therefore better).
Don't know how this popped up in my youtube sidebar but good video Steve. Hopefully we have shows again next year and I can see you and the family around the scene. As always if there's anything I have that would help you guys I'd let you borrow whatever.
I know this is an old video and also not your goal, but it would be really cool to see a real world frequency response curve on ported vs sealed on this setup
Personally, I run subs in sealed boxes. I do not want them subs moving more than they were intended to. (I like hearing the artist that hit the bad drum with their foot... and know... that was a real person kicking a lever to hit a bad drum. Ported boxes loss the effects of reproductions of tfhe real thing. So... test the real stuff.... or the loud stuff... where do I go? The gain on ported doesnt matter to me.
This, right here is a smart father. Got his daughter into car audio and now he can fill all "lay down" space in the vehicle with speakers. Hat's off to you!
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Kinda silly
I just watch her sit on the subs
You’re a cool dad, my dad tutted and disapproved his way through to helping me install my first system and still complains about sounds systems in my car 20 years later. He still asks to listen to the system whenever I make changes though, I treasure those times with my Old Man... :)
hahaha
fathers never approve upon daughters
& their silence is approval typically
I hope he's rocking solid
Bless you & you dad;)
miss my old man. He would listen to mine also
Same with my old man brother, hates when I spend money on it but loves hearing it once I’m done 😂😂😂
That’s just the common denominator with fathers. I still remember the build I did for my father. He made me learn by myself the first time (through CZcams) then magically told me he did this too smh. Appreciate him though
@@dinozaurpickupline4221 I approve upon my daughter constantly. I need her to know there's 1 man in her life that will always support & help with all the crazy shit she does & wild ideas she has. when she gets in my suv, first thing she says is "can u play the stereo loud?" I can guarantee I'll be helping her with her system builds & upgrades
This is all I was looking for. For like an hour. Thank you!!
What exactly were you looking for?
Yeah me too
I’m not sure a ported box makes it much louder, but it does sound very different. Sealed boxes sound more “bumpy” while ported sounds more “boomy” to me.
I have 15 inch sub sealed but it does not rumble in the chest pls any advice
@@Michalslanskycz What sub and amp are you running and what enclosure and I can do my best to help
I got sealed and wonder if I should go ported. I don't know what bumpy or boomy implies.
@@DJBLESSDyou would definitely notice a difference in the sound and you’ll probably realize exactly what I mean lol. Give it a try
@@TheLILWITEFITZ yes a difference of better or worse I don't know and I guess to try it would let me know. Good shout. I just wonder if it will be a waste of time. The boxes to buy are 100 to 200 or I could try make it for like 50. "If in doubt check it out" 😉
I remember this subwoofer. I was running two sealed Massive CW 12's at the time. My best friend pulls up from the stereo shop and we go for a cruise around the block. A single Punch Power 15 in a huge Obcon ported box... the difference blew my mind! Fast forward 15ish years, I still think of that single sub setup.
that just makes me think of what you run today?
@@VincentsVideoVisions A single CT Sounds Strato 12 off a Cerwin Vega Stroker S91000.1D, and in my family car a VVX 10 off an Infinity K1000. Swapping a Wolfram AG12 this week. Not sure which car will end up with the AG yet, most like mine
I love those old Rockfords... I'm running an old school Rockford Fosgate power 500.1bd on one Cerwin vega stroker 12 at 1ohm. They dont recommend running them 1ohm but it slams very well for one sub in a small vented enclosure. I hope my little girl takes to bass the way yours has... Props to ya man. Any way a man can bond with his kids is a win. Just a plus getting to do it with something you enjoy. Congrats to ur daughter for the 1st place finish....
This was a great vid. I just told my adult son..who is getting his first system..that he needs a sealed box...BECAUSE they hit harder. I was just proven wrong.
Ive believed for years, that sealed hits harder. I had 2 old Kicker 15s in a sealed box and I used to set off Car alarms..and THAT was my guage. They sat in the back of a Sport Explorer and had plenty of airspace to expand.
Thanks for the vid.
Cheers from N SEATTLE
MAN!!! I miss that old Fosgate. Those amps were insane, and the subs XLC HX2 HE2 power dvc..... USAC..... good times 😁😁
Solid equipment for sure, it makes me sad that RF stuff is no longer made in Temple AZ USA... thanks for watching and commenting!
The power line amps are as good or better than old school But I miss my old school RF shredder design. The punch and prime definitely not as good as old school
I still got 2 12´s Hx2 and nothing compares to them... not even Orion Subs :(
@@jaydee2620 yeah my buddy got a punch p3 and that thing was weak. i had one of those old cheap sony's that looked kinda like a hexagon just sitting around so we through it in there to make sure it wasn't the amp that was the weakest link.. man that sony blew that thing away. ended up trading him for the fosgate being i wasn't using the sony anyway. now i'm stuck with it.
Love your videos!! Great for Brianna!!! .... With larger area ports the db gain over sealed does get higher.. Eventually it does go 3 db louder... In fact sometimes more 4 to 5 db... But always prove it with a meter!!! Nobody argues with a good meter!!
She's quite the basshead, just started her own channel - czcams.com/channels/TKrYsApDlmKB3v5tG7__3w.html?pbjreload=10 - She took 1st in Rookie at the Team Deadly Hertz show, you can see her meter run here - czcams.com/video/2O4SeJzHci4/video.html She is currently a 151.5, her latest competition was the Frozen SPL show - czcams.com/video/ChR0gRUubCc/video.html Thanks for watching and commenting! Please like & Subscribe!!!! - Meter used was an SSA APM1 Meter. The enclosure has separate chambers, 2.5cf each after displacements, with the port flares it is tuned to 35hz
Steve Young im running a prime 500 2ohm to a single p2 12 2 ohm in a p box single ported. It does good for 1.8 cf box but i want a lil more out of it ! Any help would be appreciated . Was thinkn bout goin to a p3 but i dont think the 500 prime can push it? Ty
I hit a 157.5 at an SPL comp back in 2001 running 3 JL 12’s and a punch 800A2
Short and sweet. Great video. And no swearing. Which is why I subscribed.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching and commenting!
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Love the Old School car audio. I own a lot of old school gear, NIB (new in box)
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Wow, those DVC's are still gettin it!! Really miss That RF line from back in the day.
A lot of people now days don't appreciate how loud the oldschool stuff can get. I'm kinda sad that Rockford is no longer USA made :( Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@E4EonEbay were the old school subs and amps really that loud tho? my dad always tells me that the systems back then were really loud but then i went to an audio shop w him and he told one of the newer younger guys how it used to get loud and the dude started sayin that its better now n u can pay half the price for double the output but idk i didnt live thru the 80’s and 90’s when bass was really common, anyways im jus trynna ask if the old school stuff was as loud as they are today
I had those 15's and amps back in 1999. In a ford escort.
@@Nico-jk4sb Yes they were. The main brands like Rockford, JL, Cerwin Vega, xtant, Us amps, ppi, Zapco, eclipse, Alpine, and of course Kicker we're the shit and very expensive.
Two of those punch power DVC 12s in a sealed box & a crossfire 1000 D in the trunk of a 87 cougar was one of my all time favorite setups
I'm sorry, don't know if anyone has said it or not yet but brother your daughter is cuuute! That is just awesome that you got her into bass AND competing even, doesn't get no better than that right there!!!
She has since switched up her equipment and is doing a 151.5 sealed at the comps. Thanks for watching!
@@E4EonEbay niiiiice, what is she running for equipment now? I have two skar Sk3500's strapped on a set of Dave Leib upgraded sundown x12's and I'm right around same score as her but I'm tuned crazy low for subsonic suicide...
@@E4EonEbay I been wanting to buy some larger subs tho, I can't decide if I wanna grab & run 1 nsv4 15 now and another later or grab a set of zv5's...
@@kevinAuman1 she is currently running two Sundown zv3 15s on a Team Cactus 5k
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RF 15"'s & amps look serious!! Love the original Punch stuff hit so hard back then.
I'm glad to see this setup still exist I remember seeing a demo on here years ago I don't remember whose channel it was
Man I love those old 1100@2 amps. A ton of clean raw power and very underrated
Those 1100a2 amps helped carry me to an undefeated rookie season competing in NADBL, they are beasts for sure! Thanks for watching and commenting
Most fosgate amps are under rated... i got a p325.1 running four dvc 12s and it beats for 300 watts
The old school Rockford stuff sounds great! This what I used to rock back in the 90s, but I still have some of it.
These subs take me back to a better time In my life
@Paige Miller Me too, use to run eight Rockford 15s.
What is ur profile pic
@ Dre Swag, it’s a 85 c10, with a 2 tone paint scheme I designed on my computer.
I had an S10 blazer with 4 XLC 12’s getting pushed with 2 Punch 200ix DSM amps.
Back to comp days think it was a 155.5 out of single 15 idk my boss back then was a crackhead
Dope... I wstched that vid when you did the comparison a while back... Nice that you passed it down to your " 15yr" old daughter...
Sheeesh all the creepers come out pisses me off... Much love n respect to your love of bass and your family homie...
Much appreciated, its expected to run into some creeps on the net. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Steve Young im always wayching anything car audio homie... I apreciate you posting and making it fun and all ypur tests and knowledge is really great and super awaome dogg thank ypu
It’s awesome that you gave that system to your daughter and encourage car audio. All I ever heard from my parents My parents was “Waste of money” and “Turn that shit down” lol
You got audiophiles and pedophiles. ...lol
I'll never go ported, sealed sounds so much better.
Its tighter, punchier, more accurate bass and it has a far better general response across frequencies vs a ported box that sounds baggy and is tuned to sound loud on a very narrow frequency band
Still running sealed? But I agree the sound quality is something else wit a sealed enclosure.
Put them in a professional ported box that's set for 32-35 Hz. Guarantee it's slaps way harder... Sealed is for old heads, new school ports are where it's at. We can make one 12, sound like two 15s these days. Your set up it's dope regardless.
Awesome old school setup, i had some of the fosgate stuff in the late 90’s, was awesome!!
What I've noticed is that, to gain 3db or more from the subs in a ported enclosure. You need an enclosure that's ridiculously large. As in like 2x larger.
I prefer sealed honestly. My 12s are in a sealed enclosure.
Small sealed box for cars, large ported box for home theater 👍
Yes, they're usually 2x as large😂
This agrees with the iron law that of course more space makes more Bass.
I've always loved triple or quadruple sealed setups because you can fit twice the drivers in the same amount of air space while maintaining a tighter more accurate sound that has more impact.
I'm actually headed out to the garage right now to start building my sealed enclosure for three 12-in stereo integrity SQL 12s. They are the best deal out there by a mile if you want ultra high performance xbl2 motor sealed subwoofer setups.
Ported can move a lot of air sure but you're never going to get that blur your eyeballs Hammer to the chest at a concert perfect drums feeling out of them.
sealed sounds better and hits lower. if you're going for spl then yeah ported. but i'm into SQ these days.
@@XX-121 if you run enough power on sealed it's still loud but has that concentrated impact and clarity and transient ability that ported doesn't it's worth running twice the power to a sealed setup
That's what I was hitting sealed back in 90's. Soundstream..
In most instances a given drivers optimal ported volume is much larger than it’s optimal sealed volume. That’s why there’s usually a much larger dB difference between the two enclosure types.
I got a big old school sealed box and it sounds amazing
i loved my old rockford subs like those.
They bring back memories for so many people. Thanks for watching and commenting!
So was not expecting he 1st test. Had the sounds up and started the hell out of me
Very interesting. I would like to see the same experiment done with frequency range.
Dad like me.. I also build stereos in the kids cars. Old school Rockford Fosgate too!! Thank you!!
Those are some of the best amps ever made. Very nice!
Old school yeahhh brings back memories
I ran that setup for the majority of my rookie season with NADBL, those oldschool subs helped carry me to an undefeated rookie season. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Nice video! I love that old school Fosgate setup too, and it's awesome that you've passed it on. Seems like the best part about a hobby is passing it on to your children :)
All three of my kids are into audio, its a great feeling, if we don't pass out hobbies and interests on to our kids they will fade. Thanks for watching and commenting!
You are so right, that's why I wanna have kids someday to enjoy loud bass with and keep the hobby going :)
I actually felt my sealed box hits harder than my recently installed ported box. But mainly I see the gains going to a ported enclosure is air cooling and venting the heat out of the woofer which will give you more life out of your electronics! I’ll never buy a sealed box ever again
You've probably gone on to a different setup by now, but I wonder what your air speed is in those ports. They might be compressing your output. Also, porting increases the volume at a specific frequency, so it's not necessarily 'supposed' to be +3dB everywhere in the range. Your port tuning and your listening area's tuning are two very different things.
That's a great score for some legendary gear
Thanks man, it is stuff that was built to last for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Damn keepin or old school. I love olllld fosgate stuff
I have had so many systems but easily my favorite was back when I had a pair of Fosgate DVC 12's in a sealed box running off a MTX Black Gold amp. I just haven't been able to find a sub with the same force factor. I went to 4 12" JL audio 12w3 running off twice the power. It was loud but nothing even close to the beating the 2 Fosgate DVC 12's would give you. I wish Rockford Fosgate would release a classic series of car audio where the legends that made the company would be available. I would buy multiple systems just to have backups of everything.
I just turned 46 this week and I have a 22 year old daughter named Brianna and I installed her system myself like I have done for my trucks for the last 30 years.
That's awesome man! We gotta keep our children involved in the hobby of car audio so the passion can carry on to future generations. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Steve Young agreed 💯%.
Your daughter is cute and the fact that she liked audio is a major plus (dont take it the wrong way) lol
No offense taken, it's always nice to be able to share a hobby with your children
@@davidlodiemyer5698 ahhahaha
(RING RING)...”yeah FBI, this man right here”
How old are you bro!!!!!!???? Rob??? Cause shes 15 i think she just turned it and your sick asfuck... If i was steve ill beat the shit out of ypu in fact if i knew where ypu was at id still beat the shit out of you... Dick face...
Yea you definitely shouldn't take it serious a guy saying someone is cute...not manly lol
I’m hoping my kids will love this also give us more to do together… I’m hitting 110 with just a random set up. None name brand system with Pioneer radio touchscreen
Nice video reminds me of back in 1998 when I was running 4 punch power DVC 15 with 2 punch power 1000s in a 1987 merkur xr4ti competing in spl competition as a privateer going up against all the car audio shops good stuff man
But what sounds better? I had a sealed box with two Rockford Fosgate punch 12s and a 700watt Rockford amp and it was some of the tightest and cleanest bass and would put out 144db without any stress.
That’s a badass set-up all fosgate!
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That’s dedication to music right there!
Thanks for your time on explaining the difference between sealed and ported. Good video
Radio will make a big difference as well. You could easily upgrade that jvc radio and gain more juice for your sounds.
She is running a Punch X crossover which gives a decent bump in RCA signal voltage. I run a Rockford PA1 preamp in my jeep and can get above 8v clean signal to my amps. Definitely makes a difference having strong signal and a lower noise floor. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Yup Pioneer FTW!
to gain 1 db you have to double sound level, so its a huge gain. db works in a logaritmic scale not in a linear one
Actually it's know that doubling power gains about 3 db on average. You can double the amount of speakers and get about the same 3db with that as well. Takes about 3 db for someone to notice a difference in "loudness"
@@davidmarles9409 that therory always sounds good on paper, and may work at lower db levels but that idea goes out the window at high SPL levels.
@@E4EonEbay I'm sorry I have to disagree. There are plenty of videos that prove this is very accurate.
@@davidmarles9409 show me a video where someone is doing 160+db where they simply double their power and gain 3db... do you ever attend serious audio competitions?
@@E4EonEbay I absolutely do and have gone to comps since the early 90's and you know as well as I do that's not what I meant. Once you have achieved the max power your speakers can take this obviously isn't true. Also there is way more to car audio spl than in a building where this holds much more true because a car obviously deflects and panel flex affects max spl....I know what I am talking about and this video wasn't referring to anything like you are saying. Also I listen to real music not test tones and most of us like an even volume through all the bass frequencies not just a specific frequency for spl. I prefer quality over loud.
I’ve moved my boxes around my trunk just to see if the box is facing your back you get different thump or set up as close to the rear as you can speakers facing the rear.
This question might have been asked and answered already in the comment thread but..Would you say in a music listening scenario instead of a db scenario, the sealed gives a better ,tighter, accurate bass response and is worth the loss of 1 plus some change db?? Thanks if you feel like answering! 👍🙏
Since nobody answered I will I absolutely know that the flatter response and better transient response of sealed makes it far superior for me but then again I'm a 46 year old musician that's been a lot of time on a metronome.
Also the earthquake reproduction characteristic of sealed where it literally displaces a section of air in your vehicle that is heaven and a ported does not do this it just fans around a whole bunch of air from the port and sub. It never has that instant earthquake shock type impact to it and I like that.
Cool video man thanks! I remember your setup on EXO's channel and even remember thinking, it'd be cool to see numbers. Thanks again!
Your welcome, thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video 👍 and congrats on her win. Definitely love old school equipment !!!!!
Thanks for watching and commenting! The oldschool equipment always brings back memories.
So ported subwoofers are monsters I like your practical
Love that box. Saw it on EXO's channel.
Yeah, it is very recognizable for sure, it's a fun box to play with. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@E4EonEbay keep up the great work Steve. Not only can you build a bad ass box but you were a half descent Quarterback as well 😉! LoL
I'd like to see the dB reading at 20-25hz sealed vs ported. I'm interested to see which will hit harder on the low frequencies. Great video.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm assuming if the ported side were tuned low enough it could be quite interesting to see. I did do a video showing the excursion side by side playing 20hz - czcams.com/video/gMjPjDh4bK4/video.html
If the ported box is Tuned right. It vil be louder at Lower frequencies.
Sealed has almost flat response over Low frequencies. If you have a powerful amp and a subwoofer, go for sealed for hard hitting bass
I miss those old amps so much 😢😢
I got one of those amps a 750w pushing to JL 12's in my wife's mbz. ....
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I still got my autotek and orions amps from 1992
Tuning with a port gains dB at the tuning frequency. The port tune should be at the most efficient frequency for the speaker box design for just boom or after roll off to gain bass extention in a flat out put design
It doesn't matter if u win by a dB or a mile, winning is winning!.. I am a ported box guy can u tell? Lol good video and congrats for the win!
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I got nostalgic watching this. Last time I saw 2 Punch Power DVC 15s I installed them in a navigator, custom box with mirrors inside using Aeroports pushed by an Orion HCCA 250. It was humping!
Humping?
Awesome video! Tuned in for the other tests specially the cone area test 1 15 vs 2 15s
Hopefully I can get one done soon, still crappy weather up this way, snow / rain mix last night. Thanks for watching and commenting!
We used to get a lot of db gain on isobaric 3 chamber, all ported, 2 drivers. 30 years ago. I preferred conventional boxes for sound quality..these days if you put 2000 watts to a 10" maybe you won't miss the conventional feel?
Love those old school fosgates
Beautiful comparison
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Great video ! cool to see a fellow member of Legends of Car Audio.
I had a similar situation with my triple audiobahn alum10q's. Friend if mine has 3 as well. Mine are sealed and his is ported and we can not find any major differences between the outputs. The difference is that he rebuilt his with dual 4ohm coils and I am using all stock from the shelf subs. I assume that is because AFAIK these are supposed to be in a sealed setup from per manufacture specs. His setup is approximately 2db louder but they sound identical according to the crowd :D
I think it depends on your preference I notice a ported box sounds very good in my Tahoe but in a car it sounds like a lot of rattling but sealed boxes sounds good in my car and Tahoe just not as much bass outside so I feel it depends on the vehicle and enclosed trunk or not and a open space trunk I feel ported sounds better in trucks and seal sound better in cars
I can hear the bass response difference in the video. The sealed was a cleaner tone and the port open was like a hum.
These were some of the top speakers back in the Day, and Kickers not so good at that time
he did this with equal size boxes the numbers wont change much or any if he removed the port. to get a bigger number from the ported box you would have to go bigger which is a whole different animal but for apples to apples this is a great video ..i have 9 15s i plan to use in a build and i want to go sealed just for the space savings all the subs inverted
I know most subs require a larger enclosure when going ported however according to the manual the optimal recommended enclosure size for both sealed or ported for these drivers is 2.5cf. Thanks for watching
What about inverted subs? Wgats the difference?
First video I’ve watched of you and I really liked it. Sub!
Right, but with a ported box the bass travels farther and a closed box people will hear the bass hit harder closer to you. A ported box people will hear the bass farther away from you because it travels
I use to have these babys in 12s old school nice
Old setup forsure if it ain’t broke don’t fix it ; ) I always replaced my subs when I blew them up havnt gotten to use my w710 as much as I’d like to
It's amazing the durability of the USA made oldschool equipment. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great vid as usual Steve. Interesting to say the least
Steve B. Thanks for watching!
Damnnnnnnn that's tight. Love the old school stuff
Its solid USA made equipment that lasts. I wish RF never stopped making equipment here in the USA. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@E4EonEbay I absolutely get nostalgic for the mid to late 90s audio gear. Thanks for the video
Those old punch subs are awesome
Great example. Can you measure the difference of facing the woofers forward vs backwards and upwards?
Nice job on the test video and on winning 1st place
In my concern, i prefer a sealed box, large as you can. Because i'm a dj and club's conceptor, i'm also a music lover.
But a lot of peoples love the sound of ported enclosures. I don't discuss that, And build a lot of ported for them.
So, my point is about the phase of the port.. You could'nt make a real waves with a mécanical off-phase output in this configuration.. I prefer compansate the roll off by more power and good equalisation, who let clean lower band make me smiling.
Mate. Every 3 DB gain is double the Power. To get 1.5 DB gain is great stuff and half power more for free
Thanks for watching and commenting! I should do a video using the meter to illustrate the gains from doubling power, I would want to clamp the amps or use an SMD Amm1 to show a power read out to confirm the power is doubled, would make a cool video.
Easy man easy on Dem ol subs
@@fuckgoogleandyou8779 they can take it 💪
appculture I thought it was double every 10db.
Awesome Dad.
I feel like every young persons first setup, “including myself” had a somewhat old school system. Gotta appreciate the old equipment. If a girl came up to me and said she was doing 145+ with some punches I woulda called BS 😂
Its amazing to think they can still hang with some of the modern equipment out there. Thanks for watching and commenting!
This is where it started. They is A lot of technology out there but things have the same concept.
Baffles and box depth play a roll too
The e30 in the back
5 speed, Factory hardtop too
Old school Fosgate for the win!
Nice convertible 3 series!
Thanks, 1990 325i, 5 speed, factory hardtop :)
Steve Young
I have a 1986 e28 528e. So I’m quick to see other classic BMW’s.
Old school love it
Have you tried to keep one plug in to see what kinda change that would make
Excursion wise yes, you can see the difference here - czcams.com/video/gMjPjDh4bK4/video.html but not on the meter I think it would drastically lower the score. Thanks for watching and commenting!
1st, if that vehicle is in 50mph front end collision, that box is going to hit the back of your daughter's head at 50mph. That red strap around the PVC is not going to hold it in place.
2nd, your sealed volume is larger than your ported volume because the ports are now part of your volume.
3rd, ported should always be louder then sealed at the resonant frequency. A ported box is optimized for a specific frequency at the expense of others.
You are correct in that there will be roughly 100 cubic inches for a cylinder 4x8 or 0.058 cubic feet added to the sealed volume per side so 2.558 cf sealed vs 2.5 cf ported would technically be more accurate. However I honestly don't feel that 0.058cf (less than 1% , 0.232% to be exact) difference in enclosure volume would have altered the outcome enough to mention. Thanks for watching and commenting! (PS, her rear seatbacks fold and lock upright and she drives with rear seat belts latched in an X. The strap so it doesn't move left or right under normal driving, if seatbelts can hold back two 200lbs people I'm sure they will hold the box from coming through the rear seats...)
@@E4EonEbay Fair enough, your math checks out. I stand corrected.
Regarding the speaker box, though, I am genuinely concerned. A 60mph head on collision (say, someone texting crosses the median) can generate enormous forces. It's not uncommon for 50 to 100 Gs to develop. Would your straps wrapped around that PVC pipe hold up a box weight 5,000 or 10,000 pounds or more? Maybe, but I would sleep better with the straps running through a few eye bolts on the sides 😉.
Think long and hard fellas... when was the last time you heard someone pull up beside you bumpin, and it's a female? She's a diamond in the rough.
Gotta seal one and port the other, i think you would cover more bass frequencies
3 dB is the theoretical max at the tuning frequency of the port where the back and front waves are perfectly in phase. Obviously people expecting 3 dB across the spectrum will be disappointed! But ported is still a good bet when well tuned. Even for SQ, with a blindfold and optimal tuning, and especially in a car, almost no one could tell the difference (except the ported would be louder and therefore better).
Don't know how this popped up in my youtube sidebar but good video Steve. Hopefully we have shows again next year and I can see you and the family around the scene. As always if there's anything I have that would help you guys I'd let you borrow whatever.
Which one sounds better musically?
Ported sounds better outside the vehicle. Sealed sounds better inside the vehicle.
Mine is a huge difference sealed vs ported. For sealed I would need a bigger amp.
Appreciate the knowledge learned some today
I know this is an old video and also not your goal, but it would be really cool to see a real world frequency response curve on ported vs sealed on this setup
Me too, unfortunately the box has been retired, perhaps I will build another and do some more experiments
Personally, I run subs in sealed boxes. I do not want them subs moving more than they were intended to. (I like hearing the artist that hit the bad drum with their foot... and know... that was a real person kicking a lever to hit a bad drum. Ported boxes loss the effects of reproductions of tfhe real thing. So... test the real stuff.... or the loud stuff... where do I go? The gain on ported doesnt matter to me.