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Orenda 14 in the Sabre6
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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2013
- You've seen this engine running in our test cell, but today we get to be there when it is put through its paces in the application it was designed for; mounted inside the fabulous Canadair Sabre6. A Canadian license-buit version of the North American F86 Sabre.
It was a big thrill for me to stand on the wing of this fighter jet while Randy started and ran the engine. I hope you all enjoy watching this as much as I did capturing it for you!
My favorite aircraft. I assisted in the commissioning of an ORENDA OTC 1000 Kw standby generator package at RCAF Greenwood 1964. I was the factory reps. helper as no one else from the power plant would help. Learned a lot. 14 years with the RCAF and 23 years with SOLAR Turbines of San Diego, Calf.
My videos about an Orenda portable electric power plant might interest you.
One retired : czcams.com/video/dhV8cMQ__pw/video.html
One working: czcams.com/video/UwBdpTT79Ts/video.html
Just WOW.What a stunning looking aircraft. Thank you very very much Sir. Some fantastic looking machinery in that hangar as well.
I'm halfway through A&P school here in the states and you have my dream job!! Thanks for the content.
What an absolutely gorgeous airplane! I'm sure the momentary heart-attack from the smoke generator is far overshadowed by the sense of pride you surely felt from seeing the engine you rebuilt in its rightful home. I hope you get to see it fly; if you do, please don't forget to video it for us!
gorgeous plane!
Hi, this is good explanation regarding this issue. Like a heavy duty equipment technician, felt worry about oil problems while to starting big diesels. If somthing goes wrong, it will be a lot of money to fix. I will need to watch some of your videos and get the lessons! Thanks for giving the explanation in a fast manner. Thank you again, and keep doing this great job.
The fuel, oil and hydraulic tanks were all filled. Each of those fillers has a "scupper" built around it, with a drain line attached that leads to a tiny port to the exterior of the aircraft. These prevent any small spills of fluid from accumulating inside the aircraft. As you'll see in an upcoming video, this aircraft was put together earlier this day. You're always going to get some small drips after that.
Thanks Agent JZ. The F-86, all versions, were my favorite of the early jet fighters and I think one of the most beautiful fighters of all time.
must have been awesome feeling it "come alive" while on the wing knowing you helped build the engine.. thanks for sharing,,,
must have passed this by, wow' what a show. Thanks so much.
it makes sense for the man who overhauled the engine
on it's installation and testing
what a job, I know the ORENDA J47 so well know
thank you sir
Awesome video! Can't believe someone would dislike this. Looks just like the same sabre i see in all my airshows from year to year.
Nice to see someone following proper procedure and tapping the panel and not the instruments.
I recently saw a video of someone who tapped an instrument in his Cessna, which ended up costing him $5000
There are two ball-joints, on either side of the engine about halfway back, and there is one top mount near the front. The two midframe mounts handle all the thrust, and the front mount positions the engine in pitch.
The heavy 'umph' of that start up is beautiful. Another awesome video man!
Big deal, I rebuilt the carb on My snowblower (I pick up the new snowblower tomorrow) ! Such a great video, awesome level 100 ! Nice work all !!
Thank you. As part of looking up the Sabre6, I have found that there is one in an aviation museum near me. I've not been there before so that's for tomorrow or when the temperature drops to a better level for this human's comfort. (Midland Air Museum, UK)
God those Sabres are pretty.
Rainhill1829
They look just so cool.., lol 50 year old and they still look “Buck Rogers”👍 very sexy
Wow, what a beautifully polished aircraft.
What a beauty she is!!
I just copied the title into the YT search bar, and it's right there... That's a fantastic video. Cool to see the plane in action!
When i die I want heaven to be like that hangar!!!!!!
What an amazing place. Great Video JayZ thanks again. Next time you are in OZ will buy you a beer for this one!!!
man that tow bot must have some torque. awesome video Jay.
wings+cockpit on a engine = superdamnfast jetplane .
thanks for the great video!
Holy Cow that Sabre is Beautiful!!
Amazing how we are full circle on engine start systems. We went from electric starter to Air Carts, APU/ JFS(Jet Fuel Starters) and now the F-119 uses an electric starter.
Oh, and the Tow Bot....how cool is that!
Great video, Jay. Loved getting to hear that engine spool up, without an air start-cart competing with its sound. Also, loved getting to see that Saber with a lot of her panels still off; neat to see the insides of a classic like that. That airplane is absolutely drop-dead gorgeous. They have done a fantastic job restoring her; she literally looks factory-new.
Like your great vids, they are great to watch about how the parts that make these great birds soar go together. Know it has to be really satisfying to see that beautiful aircraft, holding your great work, looks as good as it runs now!
Holy cow! There's some sexy equipment in that shed...
What a great video! I'll be walking 'round with a big grin on my face all day!
Thanks for sharing this! Seems like a nice place they have there.
I happened to love that tiny remote tow truck
Jay, I'd really like to thank you for all this wonderful content! I've just upgraded my monitor to a 40 inch 1080p TV and this was the first video I watched on it. I was totally blown away (no pun intended!).
Thanks again,
Rich.
The very next video I posted was a slideshow showing the installation of the engine in the Sabre.
I've got lots more videos of jet stuff, too...
Yes, and also keep in mind that oil flow cools the bearings, but we measure oil pressure. It's very low viscosity oil, and it is flowing even before the gauge can sense any pressure. The lube system is a high-flow, low-resistance system. See my video on Lube Systems.
Found finally the slideshow. Thanks! Just like I thought it would go in. The same kind of method we have to use sometimes in our job (paper machine service).
The engine is cooled by the air flowing through it. It moves the air with the compressor. The aircraft zooming through the sky helps the airflow a bit, but not by as much as you may think. Static full power runs are no problem at all.
The tires did scrape forward about 4 ft, leaving dark skidmarks on the runway.
The engine makes about 7,000lbs thrust.
Thanks for your reply. With that insight, I viewed the film again, this time with more attention to percent_RPM gage, and I see that the engine was still very slow. Thank you so much for your contributions, allowing the curious among us to learn much that might otherwise go undiscovered :)
I love the Sabre! all my life I have wanted to fly one! this plane and the F-94C......
OMG that's beauty Sabre !!!
Eres un chingon señor. Thank for your videos
Thanks Jay! I always love to learn this stuff :)
Why not?... I'll tell you why not. There is no provision for bypassing the oil pump with an external pump, so to do what you suggest requires removing the engine from the aircraft, and then removing all the rigid steel lines from the oil pump, and reconnecting them to an external pump. This requires about a full day of work.
Most of all, the engine is designed to start exactly as shown. All roller bearings which need oil more for cooling than for lubrication.
It was kind of creepy to see how high those EGT’s got during spool up. But once it got up to speed and power was applied I was quite surprised to see egt’s in the 400’s. I guess it’s a real good demonstration of how gas turbines are air cooled. Most people would think those egt’s are hot. But you would proly loose you mind if you seen one of our high HP 13b based engines. We use Inconel 625 for the exhaust manifolds because everything else just melts at 1800-2000*F. God i hate welding thoes
Dry oil lines when transported. A short start to prime the lines before the main event. Jay filled us in on it on one of the other test runs on a freshly overhauled engine.
She's a beaut!!!!!
Talk about "Airplane Porn". JayZ, fantastic up close video of such a beautiful bird! Congrats on the engine work.
thats one loud but beautiful aircraft
I just listened to it, and I think what that was... was this:
The low rumble may be caused by the engine burning fuel in some, but not all of the six cans. The rumble stops for a few seconds, starts again, stops, and then restarts but slowly fades away as the rpm rises.
Keep in mind that at starting rpm the engine is barely running.
I think the rumble returns as cans go out, and eventually fades as airflow rises and flames stabilize.
Love the F-86 and CL-13a :D
Also, because of the way the bearing sumps are sealed, if one was to pump lube oil through the system without the engine turning...for a minute or two... you would be pumping about a gallon or so of oil into the gas path. Then, after the full day required to reattach the regular oil pump and reinstall the engine in the aircraft, this oil would catch fire.
So this would be a good idea if was a piston engine, but it's not.
verry nice video , superb plans ( with wrong markings) now we realy need to restore a cf100 to flying condition
Love this iTowBot ;)
realomon One of our neigbours has one, obviously a mush weaker one, for his camper. The first time I saw him using it, I just saw him standig there staring at the Camper, which was moving without anyone pushing it so I suspected him to be a Jedi using the Force... because that was what it locked like. I totaly overlooked that little vacuumcleaner sized tow-bot.
What a beautiful song.... Not really, but the plane sure is :D
Great to see the end product in a aircraft....
The Queen of the Sabre's. Could out fly any other Sabre model. Last of the true gunfighters. The Crusader guys might argue but so what , gives them something to get cheesed off about. lol
Just picture her with 20 millies and winders.
can´t wait to see it flying
The F15 has a big air brake right behind the cockpit. I think they are on all fighters, but they look a bit different from what you expect.
Did he not know that the man filming was AgentJayZ when he pulled
the Sabre canopy so you could no longer film cockpit instruments startup, was great BTW
and it was your who had overhauled his Canadair ORENDA 14 Turbo Jet
typed at 14:45 section
AgentJayZ is a Jet tech artist will carry on with video
best place to film from when lucky too
There is no way to externally drive the oil pump. The only way to move oil is to run the engine.
As you'll see in my Lube System video... this is normal and not a concern. There are no journal bearings anywhere in the engine.
I am totally jealous. But I mean absolutely zero disrespect. These guys are clearly at the top of their field. The towbot comment was just (bad) humor. Towbots are great for moving in crowded hangers. Less accidents than pushing by hand. Speed brake actuators are ONE of the most typical things to leak on fighters. I didn't say their work is typical to leak. I'm a crusty old crew chief that has had his share of JP4 and hydraulic fluid showers who definitley was not spoiled. Sorry for that.
What I find both scary and awesome is that the shafts and bearings you showed in some other videos all have to withstand the whole range of g-forces the plane is designed for. The same holds for the fuel and lubrication systems. Are there any limitations on how long the engine can work in (e.g.) negative gs?
This one? A minute or so. Negative Gs are not useful, and are never sustained, except in air shows.
Some parts go 1600, but the major is at 800. Which is pretty good, considering the first generation engines lasted about 6 to 10. This is a second gen turbojet, design work started during WW2, I think.
Just recently found your channel and am making my way through the vids. There was a comment below (which I cannot reply to) about the change in sound at 3:40 and 3:45. Watching the EGT and RPM gauges, I think the pilot may be "feathering" the fuel valve to prevent a hot start. The EGT climbs to just at (or even slightly above) redline at the the 3:40 mark. When the sound changes, the RPM stops increasing and the EGT drops. The same thing happens at 3:45, although the RPM is higher than before. Almost like a "human FADEC," eh?
Wonderfull airplane ! Will you make videos when they testfly this baby ? Would be awesome ! :)
Just really set in for me that this thing is really just a cockpit on top of an engine
It's a competitive world... Everything counts in large amounts...
Uh... yes.
Can't tell if that's jealousy or genuine disrespect, but could you tone it down a little?
The guys working on these planes are total professionals and extended me every courtesy one could ever want.
I won't let anybody take a swipe at their operation.
Lucky you!
I wouldn't know that kind of thing. Check out revgro's comment for footage. This plane never left the ground while I was there visiting it.
An old fighter with a modern Garmin GTN 750... i have seen it all now :P
Another good one, dude! It does seem neat to see one of your works functioning in its application. Yes, thanks to that organization for their hospitality, making this possible! Maybe they could take you for a pants-pissing ride in the plane, with your Orenda providing the power causing you to piss! Don't forget your cameras, one for looking outside the A/C & one looking at your face! Thanks again!
Darren
PS: I never thought much of 'Come on Eileen' either! Did it have a double meaning?
I also believe that...
They are air brakes. As far as I know they are used to increase drag and decelerate while in flight.
Three mig kills.. not bad. I'm glad he didn't pop the clutch while you were on the wing. :-)
Hi, is one of the best videos! Was this engine repaired before installed in the aircraft? Why the engine had no oil pressure when starting? When I overhauled engines with oil pan and oil pump, I pressurize the oil system, this prevent from spining dry and may cause damage to bearings and to oil pump itself. What will be the next step to fly this beautiful airplane? Your location reminds me Chino airport in Ca. I'm sure you're enjoying and feel pride for your work! Grat job Keep ding it!!!
First time I've seen A tow bot in action, very cool, not lazy. Must be quite rewarding seen your hard work in action. Yup, bet that first few seconds of smoke freak you out tell you figured out what they were up to. Ha!
on the left side of the cockpit panel, is that some modern display instrumentation that has been put in there ??
aruju01, I realize that this type of plane was flown in battle, but the markings (kills and FU 756) belong to a specific plane flown by Ed Heller. So, my question is, was this the actual plane that Ed Heller flew in battle, or is this a replica that is used for show?
Was that plane originally flown by Ed Heller? If so, are the three red stars, just below the canopy, for 3 North Korean MIG kills? Here's a quote from an online source:
"....In 1952, Ed Heller was in Korea commanding the 16th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron of the 51st Fighter-Interceptor Wing. By Jan. 22 of the next year, he had flown 46 missions, shot down 3.5 MiGs, and been promoted to lieutenant colonel....."
It will be a memory jogger for some no reference checklist items. Probably before take off or before landing..
Will you have the privilege of seeing its 'maiden' flight after this what looks to be a rebuild? If so can you film it and post it here? Love the videos!!!
All this is in British Columbia? What air field is this?
CYXJ - I think..
@@DaveyCrockett001 Texas
... Subject of my next video... the engine goes in in an hour or so...
Hi Agent! How did they make the plane not fly away when running the engine at full speed?
A question please about EGT and starting: I noticed at time 03:40 and 03:45 it sounds like there is a fuel cutoff for a second or so to control temperature. Did this happen, and if so, was it automatic or controlled by the pilot?
She's a beautiful girl, great work there guys.
What are those letters for on the top of the instrument display?
Does the time spent tweaking and running in count against the 'time between overhauls'?
Just a guess, but he seemed to be starting the gyroscope while it was freaking out.
Beautiful Sabre, do they all need a APU in order to start?
i would give almost anything to take that for a spin
I somehow thought that the power is so big that the brakes only are not enough :)
How is the engine changed? You have to practically disassemble the whole fuselage first to get to it right?
+Kilian Seelbach The plane pops in half in 20 minutes. I have a slideshow posted of us putting an engine in. It was this actual plane.
AgentJayZ
Awesome! Where can we find it?
on my channel. It was uploaded right after this one.
Go to my videos, and find this one on the chronological list...
or type in sabre slideshow in the search bar...
or... I'm sure you have ideas.
AgentJayZ
Well I should have been able to guess, but thank you sir!
I can't post a direct link, but if you Google "sabre 6 fu 756" you'll get several links with that plane (and others in the hangar) flying.
you hurt my feelings when you said you hated "Come on Eileen"
Well it just start as my old Triumph 650, by pumping fuel ? ;)
This is an external compressor near the plane ? DO those generation planes need them to start, or is it only used for tests ? SOrry for the dumb question .
The plane does not seem to moven is the engine running only under "idle" ?
+Isaac OLEG Modern big airliners have an on-board APU, which is the same type of engine as in our start cart. It supplies electrical power and compressed air to start the main engines.
FAB
'Long ago when we was Fab'....''Fleeced in the morning light and casualties at dawn...We did it all.''
During the Korean war many Canadian pilots were assigned to USAF fighters
How do you install/mount an engine into such aircraft? As it looks like the whole plane is like an engine plus some panels around it. Do you have to cut the whole thing to get it in?
It has been instructive and very interesting watching all these videos showing us "bumpkins" how the jet engines are constructed and how they work. Thanks for that! And which is plus: in HD quality!!!!
The sabre basically splits in half behind the wing