Gunpla is doomed
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Regarding the plastics, I am still jealous that Japan had gunpla nubs and runner disposal... I really hope that will spread out into other countries
Same
If you can sculpt you can alway repurpose it. Grab some lacquer thinner and a glass container with a non plastic lid. Cut up some runners and put it in the jar. After a few days you have a putty like consistency. Paint after sculpting.
Dunno if they'll accept any runners, but passed a Warhammer/GW store the other day and they had a bin for runners and paint pots.
You can always make sprue and nubs into sprue goo
Long sprues plus some heat make decent stands for models.
I don’t think plastic will ever be banned, plastic as a whole is way to useful. The problem is single use plastics like plastic bags or bottles. I think a more reasonable law would be a ban of single use plastics because a lot of those can’t be recycled and they just end up going to a landfill.
I doubt gunpla is a huge problem in this regard because the figures are not disposable, and I know Japan had some model runner recycling bins. Maybe Gundam distributors world wide can have a model kit runner recycling bins in their stores and some sort of incentive can be given for members of the hobbies to actively recycle them. Maybe a store discount or some points that can be redeemed on a Bandai website for certain rewards and products. I’m sure Bandai doesn’t want to stop model kit production, so I’m sure they’ll seek alternatives if legislation is passed in this regard.
At least in the US, a lot of national parks have banned or are on the way to banning single use plastics.
Fun fact: most gunpla are made of PS/ABS(poly styrene, and acetylene butyl styrene) The latter of which is the single most recyclable material on earth. It’s easier to make into new products than metal or paper. It’s also naturally anti-microbial because the cells are so small.
This issue isn't consumer single use plastic, but manufacturing single use plastic.
The single use plastic band is the biggest b******* ever.
Because water bottles are exempt from it somehow.
Nonsense laws
Yah, plastics aren't going away. It's a byproduct of oil production and may be reduced, but it's not going away.
I hate Limex, they're really fragile. It took a bad dinosaur model kit before Bandai decided to go with plannosaurus
How fragile? Thongli like?
I still think plastic will be produced in the future, we need it for all kind of things (in medicine, pharma, food storage..). The main Co2 source is from energy generation, not plastic parts.
@@koweedate very brittle
That's why Limex is not suitable for joints 🗿
@@alfianfahmi5430 try and build the big trex kit. Oooof
Even with all the hobbyists in the world using plastics, that barely makes up 1% of all plastic waste worldwide. Hobbyists aren't the issue when it comes to excessive plastic waste, a big part of the problem is lack of proper waste management in many areas of the world that leads to it becoming pollution. Also, there are bioplasics currently in the works and already available on the open market, and scientists and market forces will make the switch on their own when the technology becomes viable enough to the point where it is cheaper to make it than conventional plastics on their own, probably rolled out fully a decade or so before politicians catch up and litigate the issue to hell.
Thanks for saying this! Consumers aren't the problem 99% of the time, just like how pollution isn't a population problem
It's not likely at all doomed. The science of plastics and plastic alternatives is rocking. The US has such an absurd abundance of corn we are doing a lot with making corn into fuels, and plastic products. By the time countries are actually banning plastics in a meaningful way the corn alternatives will likely solve that issue before it's even begun.
Was going to say the same since. Nerds in the US have been trying to turn corn into plastic for about 2 decades now and have made some serious progress. On top of all of that the whole plastic debacle is pointed at disposable plastic, which Gunpla is not.
It's corn! It's got the juice.
I don't see plastic ever going away too versatile, can be quality, easier, and cheaper to make than mostly other materials. They will probably develop so that all plastic is recyclable and dissolvable quickly.
@@gerogyzurkov2259 Pretty much heading that way already
As someone that plays “Airsoft” a lot of our ammo is literally compressed “cornpla” which is biodegradable fun
plastic will never be outlawed or banned.. ever. If anything, science will catch up as it always has on how to use it better, more efficiently, or how to get rid of waste safely for reuse. It will never cease.
agree. plastic is way too efficient and practical. we're thinking backwards. instead of trying to replace or reinvent plastic, our science should focus on how to safely deal with plastic waste
Bandai needs to expand on it's plastic recylcing campaign where they have bins for throwing the runners in and they use it to make ecopla
We already have commercially available plant based resins.
Yes and no... Plastic is a byproduct of oil, so it's kinda limited to oil stocks tbf.
@@dominicpizzey1515 .... thinking plastic is still oil based lol. just like the dumbasses that are making laws that they have no fucking idea what they are talking about..
Where Games Workshop is concerned, the stock allocation issue isn't to do with plastic, but rather scummy sales tactics. Instead of producing enough kits to sell on launch of each product, they under produce on purpose to force a false narrative of being too popular and selling out. This is in the hopes that it brings people back when "stocks return", plus it's also to force the limited allocation of independent retailers to cause buyers to think about buying gw direct.
Also, it seems that ever since the "fan content ban", a number of war hammer fans have started to jump ship to the likes of Gunpla, or Tamiya, leading to EVEN LESS sales for GW.
3D printers are the bain of GW. If they weren't so crappy no one woukd bother printing so they doom themselves.
@@duelgundam hah, funny you should mention that lol... I've been doing gunpla myself and honestly, it's been some of the best model making experiences I've ever had.
Plastic ban in Japan would be incredibly hard. Japan and Korea use so much foil packaging for their everyday meals and snacks. It's horrendous how small the amount of food is in these sometimes
I got one at work that was about four thin slices of potato that was in a airtight foil package. This needs to go!
It would be hard, but if you make companies have to cover the cost of disposal and recycling, they'll probably start looking for an alternative pretty quickly.
@@thuranz2773 No, that would just kill businesses silly. We need an alternative first. Then you can punish those that refuse to change.
@@fen4554 Plus you have to consider that Japan recycles a ton of the plastic that they use and recycle it.... there are other countries that dont recycle and throw it everywhere so ^^
The problem isnt the production country its the consumer country, they could always move the production into a country with lax enviromental laws, but if they ban the final product sale that could be a problem. I dont see any chance of a plastic toy and hobby ban in the US ever.. at least not in my lifetime (next 40-50 years) but EU is very possible.
Places are moving away from disposable plastic. Models aren't intended to be disposed of.
Well runners are, thats why alot more plastic recycling boxes are popping up in hobby shops
That wont stop the government to target plastics heavy companies
@@raellaneta6832 such nonsense....
Bandai will keep doing what it wants
@@kingpatatochip3357 That just means people need to be more creative with what's left over. I use runners to make stands and pins for broken parts that don't need metal pin rigidity. Takes some effort, but it's better than tossing it.
@@kivulifenrirwaiting for someone to come up with a consumer filament extrusion system. I have a few 3d printers and would love to be able to shred and repurpose runners. Being able to print action stands using the leftovers would be fantastic.
Just realised in the future some gunpla youtuber reviewing an old kit gonna say how strange our old plastic was.
Limex could be a bad idea for the long-term. The material seems to be that it could degrade faster than the regular ABS/Polystyrene plastic.
That's kind of the point - the fact that plastic doesn't break down over time is why many countries are trying to move past it. Among the many other products they don't want to waste away in a landfill, they don't want the toys and long unused products of long dead people taking longer to rot and break down than the people themselves did.
@@Madara8989 Never thought Of it that way. While we are alive we just want stuff like this that last forever for some reason
@@mikloridden8276 it sounds like its all gonna be more about the experience of building it rather than the end product, which is an interesting trade-off.
@@Madara8989 What like water, Oxsgen,Steel and gold? people throw those away all the time and they don't die and never will.
That's the dilemma: metarial that degrades slowly is preferable to customers but bad for environment, while faster one won't pollute the environment for too long but also won't stay on your shelf for too long.
My brother in christ they are literally opening a new plastic factory real soon
I think I remember someone mentioning that Bandai used to let you send in used runners in exchange for an ecopla kit. I think it was limited to Japan only but that is a brilliant idea to keep recycling plastic that all of us in the hobby accumulate in large quantities. Especially as a collective
I was thinking the same thing. Bandai should open this up worldwide, so that people can send in their broken old Gunpla plastic for recycling, so that it can be molten & reused.
"Whelp, that just broke forever" Man, we've all felt that pain.
Well with limestone gunpla, makes you wonder *weather* it’ll stand the test of time
No
I guess the point for it was to not stand the test of time lol
"Whoops. That's fuckin' broken forever." - MGK, 2023.
Since when do corporations care about the earth or people?
they'll advertise alternatives to plastic if there's hype and profit to be made. The environment, yes, they don't care, but indirectly, it will be good for the planet if consumer demand pushes them to adapt.
They don't. It's your typical virtue signaling
Because it's a pride month? 😅
“Plastic is being banned”
*Transformers shaking in their boots*
Oh no, the figures have to be made out of full diecast
The way the ball joint broke off the arm, I hope that Limex isn’t the future of Gunpla! I’ve built this kit, and it’s super fragile. Thankfully mine is in one piece, but even the manual says display and don’t move it 💀
This video came out as soon as Gundam breaker mobile shutdown completely. I hope this isn’t a sign that our hobby is dying
Nah pretty sure GB M shutdowns because it becamos boring, dumb gacha rate too. Imo only Mihoyo did gacha right lol
@@ry0usama511 yup, Bandai Namco ruined their own game. 😢
@@ameeruliskandar993 I loved the game but I have to agree with this
@@echo3568 i'm still upset it shut down
@@Viper-jr4sp same. It might not have been perfect but it was enough
You can papercraft gundam but the end result are kinda bad because they're just folded paper. Not so good with curve surfaces.
People will just 3d print their own kits if the prices get too high.
paper crafting gundam is not that good. it looks ugly af.
You’re gonna need lotsa tape
If it's limex or nothing I guess I'm staying with nothing. It breaks way too easy. So I'd rather just stop doing plastic model kits all together but I don't think they are gonna go that route for us. Hopefully
There are other plastic alternatives that have proven way more durable. If you've ever built a lego set with foliage pieces, you've experienced one of the nicer plastic alternatives. It's just as durable as the old stuff they used to use for those kinds of parts, but are wholly renewable.
@@ToxicAtom
Yup, if Lego can do it any company can.
i'd definitely recommend anyone interested in this kit to pick one and only one way to display.
I put gunpla-kun together and tried to put it in the runner display, only to snap the arm's ball joint just like Mecha here.
For fixed figuration, this limex might work but not for gunpla that is meant to be display in many changeable pose. Imagine putting together an MG kit and only to break one of its joints after just doing a few pose...
My moral standards are only as high as my wallet can afford. Keep the good quality plastic molds coming!
Yippie clickbait and fear mongering yippie
I built the Limex Triceratops... Texture is cool, but that's all I can say about it. FAR too fragile. Actually infuriating to build with. I had to glue/epoxy the whole thing because it KEPT BREAKING.
"Oops... that's fuckin' broken forever." 😂
kinda funny how the spruces from my gunplas and warhammer models have more plastic in them than the actual model, and you just throw it away
if you live in Japan, you can turn them in for recycling- it's a shame that there's no efficient way for them to do that outside of Japan.
@@LordofCicadas yea it's just as difficult to return spruces to japan as it is difficult to purchase gunpla; if i want a specific gunpla i have to wait 6 weeks for online stores to have it available. i guess the majority of gunpla fans are in japan or in asia
I feel like if they do use this type of material it should be for static posed figure models if anything.
The way Mecha G. puts Gunpla kun on the table at the intro is like Samora crawling out from a well.
Imagine Bandai making a separate Runner Display with a stand and you can clip dismantled HG kits etc in a displayable runner frame
there are of course caveats and buts and certain conditions for its use but, isnt there currently like 2 or 3 plastic waste islands floating around in the ocean right now? i mean i know that its not only plastic but a crapton of other types of trash but still, push comes to shove and theres a ban/scarcity of plastic, cant there be a project to try and salvage as much usable plastic as possible from said trash islands? i feel like the limestone infusion is a nice detail but not a permantent solution as it also relies on another finite resource
I'm curious if Limex can be glued with regular plastic glue, that melts plastic to weld parts together.
I'll 3D print before I get that limestone stuff
why?
Plastic will be banned:
*still continues with the plastic packaging*
Limex seems to fiddly in its current state to become a true replacement for Gunpla plastic. I do think it has great potential though as sprue material. If they can manage to do the multi-injection with the regular plastic parts but limex sprues, that will greatly reduce the wasted plastic in a build.
How about instead of banning plastic for everything just ban it for certain things and just leave plastic to be used by the gunpla industry
I’m terms of priority gunpla would be on the low side. Medical technology that needs certain parts to be plastic would probably take precedent.
the gunpla industry
@@CJWproductions sorry about that auto correct
@@Doc51499 that too I didn’t realize that at the time, but other than those two properties plastic can pretty much go the way of the dodo
@@lordskull372 what autocorrect
And this right here is why I hate the "recyclable" plastic as an option.
Kinda regret not getting this guy in our Japan trip last week. 😅
Nah, that's still far off into the future if it ever happens. Just because something is labeled as "environment-friendly" doesn't mean that it really is. There's just a LOT of factors to consider. It'll probably be at a more costly price though due to the "green" tax imposed on it.
Minorly related yet unrelated, just got into Gunpla and am building my first kit!, I don’t mind whatever form it takes even if it’s like 3D printing, as long as the cool designs are around to interact and build with lol
Could you clip the beam part off, drill a small hole and clip down and insert a beam effect part?
I have yet to build it but a while ago pbandai had an eco rx made from egg shells.....could be a neat alternate for plastic.
So, hobbyists that build things out of plastic then keep it and even when a lot of them hoarde random plastics to recycle into new things are gonna start to see changes while companies that use multiple plastic parts inside other plastic parts inside plastic bags for a single product will just keep doing it? I doubt it. This plastic outcry is getting ridiculous when things that require to be of plastic by design are being changed for paper, multiple big and even small companies keep throwing plastics into the ocean to cut disposal expenses and refuse to rework actual wasteful packaging and suffer absolutely no consequences. Japan itself is pretty into the idea of packaging things individually then putting them inside other 2 or 3 packages, if it happens it is beyond idiotic to cut on long lasting and rarely disposable products. I dislike microplastics in my blood just as much as the next guy, but it feels like regulators are trying to shoot seagulls on populated beach while keeping a blinfold on.
As long as LEGO is still plastic, Gundam should be exempt from environmental cultist’s claw 😂
Can you put that head of gunpla kun to haropla mobileharo if it fits? or does it needs a polycap joint that is used by haropla.
Guy who moved out of Japan because he was afraid of an alarm now things plastic will be banned. Sure buddy. Whatever you say.
Looking at the thumbnail, it didn't register that you had Gunpla-kun's head on the granddaddy. lol
I got one of these from hlj and if limex is the future im out all of my parts fell off the runners there is no way to fix those stress marks unless you paint it and that the material feels really weird to work with
Similar to the plastic that Huiyan kits are using, looks really close.
Well, that was bleak- still, a pretty nice kit!!
The hand models hands look super manly.
Since the backpack adapter is the oposite of usual, could you put gunpla kun on the grandaddy's back like a baby carrier?
Biodegradable materials are great for disposable objects, but not for models. As collectables models are supposed to last forever.
No they're not. They'll become brittle over time.
Whether it's LIMEX or something else, I think a decent alternative will be found. The things I'm more concerned about are will we be able to use solvents to melt the new alternatives...
literally just finished building mine XD, time to see what i missed 👀👀
I am not at all worried about plastic disappearing as a material.
It's too useful.
Rather, i think biodegradable plastics such as PLA will start to become the norm, and older oil based plastics like ABS will start being phased out.
Could lead to some new challenges when working with such materials.
What i find absurd about this is that plastic models and model kits dont even use that much plastic compared to other industries (and they certainly dont fill up as many landfills)
it's not only Bandai factory, it's also us, sprues are the biggest problem, if you have 10 kits, that's around 100+ sprues of garbage, now imagine everyone in this hobby trowing away all those plastic bags and sprues... are you getting the picture?
Im working for a massive industry, with a lot of stuff relying on cleanroom grade materials. The amount of double layer, single use plastic packaging and bubblewrap is absolutely insane. That's a worldwide thing for anything medical or technology related. A bunch of nerds throwing sprues in the bin pales in comparison.
There is a bit of madness in there too though, that at least where i live, coloured plastic is classed as unrecyclable by default. Even though model quality polystyrene is super easy to shred into pellets for new injection molding.
Recycling regulations and laws leave a lot to be desired.
In that part of the industry is still so much progress to be made, but as long as "throw away, buy new" (even/especially on a massive scale) is cheaper than the recycling cycle, nothing will change.
For a scale model, warhammer figure or gundam, I often wonder why the parts arent already stamped out of the big runner frames with just the nubs and numberlabel left attached. That way, 90% of the plastic waste wouldn't even have to leave the factory of origin. It would already be sorted by colour in the production line, ready to be fed back into the molds.
Lego is slowly changing from plastic to paper bags to ship the parts in. Gundams could use this tactic too. Parts sorted per bodypart for easy building.
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@@ironelemental9367they shouLd stamped parts out. But they are lazy as f8ck also.
@@joaoduarte4552 I don't think you realize just how much plastic waste goes through industry. You could take all the sprues that this hobby has ever generated, melt it down, and you wouldn't have half of what one large petroleum company would waste in a day. It's kinda like power. People in the 80s thought light bulbs were the problem. Today we think it's A/C. But that's all a drop in the bucket compared to the power usage of industry. And that's the behavior that we can't easily stop.
Can't wait to see the other kun.
Imagine you're Char Aznable, and you hear that the Zeon forces are getting absolutely demolished by a federation mobile suit, so you decide to face this federation MS, and you see that. That. You see. That thing. 10/10
Hope its not doomed. Because I'm looking forward to buy my first legit Bandai Master Grade
Go for it
Not sure with Gunpla but I think Games Workshop may have another material they use to work with that can make models. I think it’s called “metal”
Thing is that metal minis are even more expensive than plastic minis, and people are already complaining that GW overcharges for their stuff
"Thats f'ing broken forever" the words of pain
maybe with 3d printing and plastic recycling becoming more common, we could see a marrying of gunpla and 3d printing technology!!!!!!!!!!
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Did you know that the first plastic humans ever made was biodegradable
Thank you Mecha for reviewing this for us, it looks like Zaku cannon fodder too me
To anyone who got Gunpla-kun, how does the Limex hold up with minimal play on the kit? My friend got me one but I think I'll hold on to it for now.
It’s extremely brittle. You can’t really move home around much at all. The shoulder joint broke on mine so I jus leave him in the little runner display now
@@MechaGaikotsu aww man that's sad. Bandai should refine Limex or maybe move away from it if kits don't hold up.
We will be long dead befoe any ban on plastic products were to happen but I'm sure Bandai will use this as an excuse to raise prices even more and maybe in the future go 'if you want plastic that will be P Bandai'
Don’t you dare give them ideas
I'll already died if they do that
That display stand is clever.
Gunpla and lego will probably be the last plastic companies on earth. Lego is the single largest toy manufacturer on earth, and Bandai has plastic that is even better than lego. Bandai’s plastic is the best on earth. They have a distribution system that is vast enough to create full size Gundam prototypes and they are on track to have a fully functional walking piloted Gundam by 2050. I don’t know a single person that treats gunpla as “disposable” and even the runners are reused by modelers like me. You have to get in line and wait more than a year to get a perfect grade nowadays and I treat them like an event. Some people travel, some people go to concerts, me? I sit down with a perfect grade and block out the world. It’s the only peace and solace I have left. You can believe that I’m going to take fantastic care of them until I die. These aren’t models to me, they’re effigies. Kotobukiya makes some excellent models, but they’ll never be as good or as incredible as perfect grade bandai. There’s even talk of something above perfect grade. Perfect grade + with full metal endo skeletons and diverse lighting systems.
next we are gonna get dirt gunpla
I feel like things like packaging are more likely to be hit, since that's where the vast majority of plastic waste comes from. Of course, more countries need to make polystyrene recycling widely available. Why it isn't I have no idea.
We can only assume that Limex will be better developed for Gunpla later. But in the mean time I think we're safe in regards to Bandai using the normal plastics for the main Gundams.
@xxnike0629xx But suiton, you'll gonna have no problems with these stuffs ...
@xxnike0629xx because all you care about are the BOXES and the BOX fort you have LUL
Dont the scientist already discoverd plastic eating larvae? There is a video about it in youtube
0:16 I need this sound.
I don't think its gonna change anytime soon its still in a experimental stage and they will probably have to listen to a lot of feedback about it but overall like i said its not gonna happen anytime soon could be a 10 20 30 years
can the head merged with SDCS??
what is that green stuff outside of the window...? Graphics seem off.
Gunpla-kun isn't real, he can't hurt you
Gunpla-kun:
main issue rn is runners and nubs, kits could be produced without these thus removing the plastic waste from the kits
many people miss understand about plastic, all plastic is recyclable the problem is it cost more to recycle a plastic than making new one, many company like bandai will see it as costly so they just molding a new one because it's way cheaper
At the very least, GunPla will remain on given how dedicated Bandai is to researching new ways to reduce plastic waste from their products (even going so far as to have kits made from recycled runners).
I always have thought that all the runners that I have left over. From my kits it would be neat if they could melt them down and make new kits in turn recycle the runners and then like every 2 lb or 3 lb of runners get a free high grade
Me through most of the video: huh, this is pretty neat, maybe this limex stuff really is the future.
13:32 - NOPE!
speaking of Eco-Pla previously we have an Entry Grade RX-78-2 who's plastics are made out of recycled eggshells, YES you heard that right freaking eggshells! 🥚
I have boxes of runners im trying to get recycled in NA. Anyone know anyone taking runners?
Loved that opening and when build that kun
Dang that title
Based gunpla kun
To be honest I would actually cut the dake runners thinking they are for the stand😅
I build the T-Rex limex. The mix of plastic and limestone is too brittle and require extra care no play with it for limex models , it takes oil paint and Acrilic very well.
13:31 Aw hell naw 💀 I’m already breaking regular Gunplas, but this Limex stuff looks like it would disintegrate if you looked at it the wrong way
Hey if you can give us updates if it broke, so we can see if it can stand the test of time.
bandai made a egg shell entry grade rx78
This is why we can't have anything nice 😢😢😢
I can’t see this being the thing that kills plastic gunpla. The biggest focus lately has been waste plastic. The only change in gunpla I see in the foreseeable future is the plastic bags the runners come packaged in.
It looks like a Gundam Funko Pop
they could also stop wrapping every single runner in plastic...
Bandai, i just want more SDCS kits.