“Hello, ladies. Look at the Jedi, now back to me. Now back to the Jedi, now back to me. Now back to the Jedi, NOW back to ME… Suddenly I’m naked in a pool and you find yourself wondering, ‘Maybe the dark side ISN’T so bad’…”
@@fightingfalcon777 'Look up. Look down. Where are you? You're on a rocky archipelago that's labeled as "Unknown Planet" despite looking quite similar to Ach-to.'
I'm thinking that Qimir was rejected by the Sith AND the Jedi, and he forms the Knights of Ren. It isn't a coincidence we keep hearing Kylo's theme with him.
Were the Knights of Ren even around? I though Kylo was the founder of the Knights of Ren and the Knights of Ren as seen on screen were not bad ass enough to be forgotten or discarded Sith. In fact they were barely an inconvenience.
That is an interesting catch with Vernestra. Qimir also asked Sol if he remembers him. To which Sol answered, “I feel something familiar.” And Qimir said that he once was a Jedi and the Mesters under Vernestra believe that who Sol claims was Mae must have been trained by a Jedi. And he brings up the sensory deprivation helmets that hound Jedi use to sharpen their connection to the Force by letting it guide they lightsaber moves to block training lasers. What if Qimir was one of Vernestra’s old pupils? While the other Jedi are starting question whether Sol is using Osha’s trauma of what happened 16 years earlier to go on a killing spree, since it left him messed up too like Torbin and Kelnacca. BUT, Vernestra now suspects Qimir because sometimes Force users leave traces of their presence behind when emotions run high just as we heard echos of the skirmish. And maybe she recognized a bit of the style too. She probably isn’t thinking Sith, she has no reason too. Just that her wayward former Padawan had fallen to the Darkside and decides to start a path to vengeance.
I think they’re going to merge Bal’demnic and Ahch-To, it’s gonna be the same place…the first Jedi Temple would also be sacred to the Sith, because they splintered off from the Jedi even their roots come from this place and the location is lost to the Jedi Order. Luke finds it later and hides himself in the force, he has a red Kyber Crystal hanging on his wall, it’s in the outer rim, it looks identical…in my opinion, everything lines up to Bal’demnic and Ahch-To being the same exact place.
This would be interesting and i thought it was Ahch-To too until i saw those little elephant-birds. The ahch-to bird/puffin things were very distinct, and one of the only things people remembered positively about that movie. To me, showing that the birds are different, that's the one thing they did to show that it's not the same place, that they just look very similar
@@cloudmaster182Yeah but look at the morphology of the newly introduced creatures compared to the blue milk cow things from the sequels. Very similar snout and other features. Doesn't necessarily mean anything but it could be an allusion.
@@SaltyViper Could be also other animals from the same planet or the same system, sharing the same specific features. It's like going through DNA of any animal on our Earth. We find similarities and differences, less or more in the relation to how far their tree branches go. Like we humans and gorillas are old cousins.
A good analogy I read about the sith problem was this: The Vikings dissapeared 1000 years ago, so when someone commits a murder nobody is gonna assume its a viking, unless someone survives and directly says a Viking is responsible. Likewise the sith dissapeared long ago so unless there is a direct witness, which Qimir tried to avoid, nobody is going to assume the sith are back because a fallen jedi is a much more likely explanation.
A better analogy might me a druid. A long lost religious order that nobody believes to have survived and so if some catholic priest was murdered nobody would suspect a druid did it and even if there was some evidence of druid-like practice they would rather assume it is some larper over the idea that the druid religion survived intact all of this time.
@@MultiSpeedMetal Definitely not. If a Catholic priest is murdered, the most likely explanation is a fallen priest. Black robes in mass and all that. "This is his *BLOOD*"
Would it be so hard for Disney just to make a series about a Jedi cataloguing species on planets? No empire, no sith, just a space monk Steve Irwin. Edit: it doesn’t have to be a full series, it could be like how visions had its episode length.
@@Planag7 its sad because years ago his channel was quite good at covering comics, films etc.. now he just make outrage content and whine about everything. Dont get me wrong theres plenty to criticise Disney for, but there are WAYS to do it that dont make you look like whinny weirdo making outrage content
@@brunohommerding3416 He still has some good criticisms about the actual substance of Disney Star Wars overall, but he's a fucking hypocrite because he talks all the time about how there are real problems to talk about and not to give any weight to the "-ists and -phobes" as he puts it, but then he refuses to stop those people from platforming themselves off his content or sometimes even platforms them himself. He's a shithead
People are saying vernastra or whatever her name is qimirs ex master. Sith wise. Which would be very interesting. But knowing that the showrunner is very familiar with Kotor/high republic lore, i have a feeling his old master is tenebrous. But the markings on his back look similar to how a lightsaber wip could hit someones back. I can see her being his former jedi master before he turned to the sith and then left them. But either way i can see her covering up what happened to also cover her ass
Yeah they are setting it up the motivation for covering it up by having the scene about politicians being anti-Jedi. Since some politicians wants to do some anti-Jedi legislation or whatever it is, it's terrible timing to reveal that many Jedi was killed by a force wielder. They also setup in episode 4 that the Jedi High Council are obligated to share things with the senate, so Vernestra will likely not share it with them.
One of my biggest issues with the show so far is that it struggles to stick the landings on episodes endings. Last week's was by far its best, but this week's episode felt like it needed an extra beat before cutting to credits. As it was, it would have worked better as the end of a much longer episode or even the season as a whole. As for why Sol doesn't check in with the Jedi, I honestly feel like too many people view character actions through the lens of being 100% logical at all times, as if every character is a Vulcan from Star Trek. Sol's entire team, including his Padawan, was just murdered. His past was called into question by The Stranger, and you can see the turmoil he's going through. He's clearly not thinking straight. People in emotional turmoil don't always do the logical thing, it's what makes characters flawed. This is my two cents on it, people may not agree, but that's my take.
Sol failing to check in has nothing to do with logic. It's expecting basic common sense from a character who's supposed to be a trained professional. Not only that but we spend an entire episode watching Sol try to fix a painfully contrived failure only for him to have a sudden change of heart just as help is about to arrive. He hadn't received any new information so why would he do this? The sad thing is that I'm not convinced we'll ever get a justification for his irrational decision-making.
@@maweitao I notice something with every Star Wars show Disney produced so far (excluding Andor and The Clone Wars). Everything goes alright or amazing within the show but once it comes to create an ending, it's not done justice as it should. Like with The Ahsoka, Jedi should freaking cut arms, legs and heads of these troopers and witch magic should make them connect back and continue fighting. If Thrawn is so smart, he should destroy doors so they cannot use them to their advantage. Maybe I am missing sth here
It was quite horrific when the Jedi find their dead. Particularly Jecki, staring almost right down at the audience. A great piece of direction. The Acolyte doesn't pull it's punches like most other Star Wars media.
It’s the dialogue writing, cheap look/feeling, and acting that is really holding this show back. I mean the origins of the modern Sith and Jedi corruptions and cover ups could’ve made an extremely interesting show. Like wtf is happening
I thiik the akwerd dialogue of mae is on purpose she is confused and grew up completely seperate from the rest of the galaxy and is figuring out things I think its intentinal and conveys this well. All the characters who are supposed to be normal like Sol, sith, and the other jedi are fine
@@kimmund3204I think they shouldn't have did twins that look alike and should have just gotten 2 different actors to play twins I don't think she has the experience to pull of trying to play 2 different characters like try to act like a different person it's hard
The show really seemed to round into its full form in this episode. Ep 5 was a real banger, but the plot threads are starting to form a full picture now
It would have been a stronger season layout if the writers had kept alluding to different perspectives on the origin story, avoided devoting ep3 to one pov flashback, and used a single episode later in the season for a rashomon flashback covering both twins' pov's on the past events.
I have enjoyed the whole series, I see the writing has been weak... but the last two episodes are trending upward in terms of quality. My complaints are short episodes, and the rapid pace of the villain unmasks. I dont think Qimir should have been unmasked until the end of the season.
Qimir is giving the exact same argument that every sith has given about why the dark side is better to follow than the light side. I'm disappointed that the writers couldn't come up with anything more interesting or convincing. It's ridiculous that Osha could even remotely buy into anything he's saying after what she's seen him do.
Seconds before that my wife was like "Is that the planet Luke went to in the sequels" I'm like "I think so" and then immediately the show goes "No it's not, idiots!" and we both laughed.
When I heard Qimir's non-explanations about his past, being older than he looks, and having been a Jedi a a LONG time ago, I began wondering if he might in fact be a reimagining of aspects of EU character Set Harth, one-time apprentice to Darth Zannah, who fled the final confrontation with Darth Bane stealing the secrets of Essence Transferal that were thought lost with Bane's Death. This would track with his not quite having the vibe of a rule of Two Sith but still being around at this point. And could make for quite the twist when one of the actual current two Sith shows up.
Your comment that it's an 8 hour movie got me thinking: the problem is that they're trying to treat it like an 8 hour movie AND a show at the same time. It lacks the flow of a movie, which I have difficulty thinking of a single show that managed to pull off the movie feel across an entire season. Maybe 24? It would be an interesting cinematic experiment to actually make an 8 hour film then chop it into hour(ish) long pieces.
I told you for severel weeks that the Jedi has encountered fallen/dark Jedi often enough to go clue hunting for those rather than assuming its a Sith. Its part of what make the Sith be able to work in the dark for all that time. So its does not really matter if there is a Sith or not since they will basicly fold themselves to belive its a Fallen Jedi. J.
Osha has clearly always had an underlying attraction to the darkside as seen by how she treated that butterfly bug in episode three. She then condemns mae for using the force to trap and harm the bug. In episode 4, osha is again clearly shown to be attracted to the bugs which were corrupting the forest. To me, it seems the bugs feed on the Darkside or are Darkside aligned. Osha also discovers the bugs are attracted to light sources. In episode 6, Vernestra is attacked by one of the bugs but unlike in episode 4, there is no light source that would have attracted the bug as Vernestra activates her lightsaber AFTER the bug starts its attack run. This tells me that Vernestra is giving off Darkside vibes which the padawan accompanying her can't sense. Let's not forget that in legends continuity, purple lightsabers are associated with those who come close and can touch the darkside without fully succumbing to it
Or he's doing a Palpatine and is hiding under an illusion. You heard it here first, folks: Manny Jacinto's ripped body is just a cover for a shrivelled old palpy.
This entire show is just withholding information from the audience. It's so boring and lame. No mystery, no intrigue, just people holding information back until... later... 🤦🏼♂️
Gotta let them love what they love. . . Till they come to their senses and don't. I thought I loved The Force Awakens until I 'Awakened' after the Last Jedi released. Let this train wreck complete and maybe he and some of them will realize all of this content is a middle finger to George Lucas and the true Star Wars. That Star Wars is never coming back. They're content in loving this style of writing, 'spaceships and lazer swords'. Its our duty to just stop caring about this Disney garbage.
Genuinely how do you like this show for the amount of terrible dialogue, scenes, writing. What even is the mystery? It’s like if Sol said “what’s in this lunchbox?” You’d all be like “ooooh wow! So great!” Like literally nothing is happenin, character motivations are changing so much. This girl just lost her sister for 17 years and finds out the dark side used who trained her alongside seeing him kill tons of Jedi. Then checks him out 💀, doesn’t bother killing him because of the plot.
I might binge on all eight episodes together when it's done. The serialized format is nice to keep the mystery alive, but otherwise this is very obviously a four-hour movie split into 30 minute segments.
Like I’ve said before, it’s really nice to hear a take that isn’t blindly scathing. There are other creators on this platform that are clearly too offended by the comments and opinions of the showrunner to actually watch this “lore breaking” show. They’re more concerned about spinning a profitable narrative. As this series has gone on, it’s become more and more apparent to me that the people behind it know what they’re doing, and I had very low expectations for the show. I give more credence to Eck’s critique of the cinematography than some theorist complaining about Ki-Adi Mundi’s age.
Yeah I have to agree. As far as lore and tone it’s much better than kenobi was. I like the part where the green Jedi master said that hyperspace was unsettling. In legends it can actually be a very terrifying place to end up, and I think this was a callback to that. But as far as the show as a whole, I think that if all the episodes were released at one time instead of weekly it wouldn’t have allowed for so many people to complain about things that were clearly part of the plot progression (like Osha’s unreliable memory of Brendok.)
I rewatched the episode this morning and noticed a couple of things: 1, Osha asks Qimir what it is he wants, and he responds: "The power of two." To me, this implies he is not an apprentice, and is operating independently under the guise that the Sith are in fact extinct. He has educated himself on the Sith and their teachings, but has had no contact with a Sith lord at this point. 2: Mae didn't kill her "family". She wouldn't be so mad at the Jedi for her own over-reaction. The one scene in Ep. 3, all of the (assumed) Nightsisters were lumped into a pile just about, insinuating that they were masacred, not just victims of a fire. This is likely what is weighing on Sol's mind. He is clearly working through some conflicting emotions. 3: I'd like to buy off on the Venestra/Qimir Master/Padawan theory, but I think it might actually be a deliberate misdirect. There is definitely a connection, but I'm just trying to put it together. What struck me as odd was the intentional comment her padawan made about her reluctance for hyperspace travel and her response being: "It's... unsettling." She is clearly disturbed by this entire chain of events. While not upfront about it, she appears rather shaken, and is doing a good job to just push things forward faster than they should be. Whether this is being done intentionally, or just poor acting/directing, really dictates the substance.
Mysterious Sith: "I am... Darth Plagueis!!" Eck: "Pleggis" Sith: "...No, Plagueis! Like a plague upon the Jedi!!" Eck: "Pleggis" Sith: "Look, stop that will you?" Eck: "PLEGGIS"
My current theory is that Vernestra Rwoh was Qimir's master. She has a hyperspace vision of him turning to the dark side and tries to kill him, which leads him to turn.
My take is that that scar on his back is definitely from Vernestra's lightsaber. I'm thinking he was a former Padawan of hers, Sol was either the Padawan before or immediately after, which is why he said Qimir seems familiar. I also suspect that they weren't originally on May and Oshas home world for them. I think they were tracking Qimir and stumbled upon the girls, who Qimir was eyeing up for Acolytes and Sol trying to be a good Jedi went out of his way to recruit them knowing full well they were too old.
I can see Qimir being Sol's son, that he was given to Venestra as a pupil and when she found out Sol had a connection to his child she got rid of the child... or at least thats what I think they where hinting at.
Azlin Rell. I know many havnt read the high republic, he was around 100 years before Vern, used the dark side to extend his life, etc. He came back for some reasons aftwr the path of the open hand had turned into Marchion Ros Nihil. The nameless were a threat to all users of the force, i actually would bet that tenebrous and plaugius if they were alive during this time (its actually within a few decades of when plaugius would have been picked up by his master after basically being produced like a prized dog) and i cant imagine the sith being down with something so dangerous lurking around. and thwre are many ways this could still tie into those novels. Im really enjoying this and kinda hoping they dont make them conflict. Id love for them to be able to reintergrate the plaugius novel, as long as Dave filloni doesnt have anything to do with it. Hes the mastwr of destroying characters as a cheap trick to stroke his own ego
Been looking into some things and theres a thing called the doctrine of the dyad, and i mean its about twins and is a predecessor of the rule or two could this be an old sith cult trying to inact the doctrine of the dyad (i think the ultimate purpose of the dyad to transcend or something?) just wondering what you think of it? sorry if i missed some other comments or videos about this let me know if i have.
That sure was six characters split into 3 pairs talking about things that have already happened in the series for the whole episode. Episode 6 of The Mandalorian was when Din is roped into the Republic prison ship heist with Mayfeld, the pacing of this one is just, agonizing sometimes in comparison man!
This obsession that one line is wild. The Jedi simply could’ve meant the sith havnt been a threat for this time. They obviously knew the sith weren’t extinct
7:15 "The Sith, long lost enemy, gone for a thousand years." Imagine hearing in 2024 that Italy had been raided by the Sea-Peoples. Sure, the Sea-Peoples actually existed once upon a time, but nobody's heard from them since the Bronze Age so.... maybe the light saber they saw was more orangish.
I dunno, at this point I'm starting to get annoyed at the show already, because I feel like it wastes time deliberately. All these details that they throw in are basically meaningless without greater context, and the show constantly yanking that context out, seemingly determined to wait until last possible moment to reveal it. At this point I don't even believe that next episode would be a flashback. The show said this episode would be a flashback, and it did everything to stop master Sol from talking. Maybe a pipe falls on him in the opening and stops him from explaining, since this ship seems to be allergic to elaboration, malfunctioning as soon as Sol opens his mouth. And considering how literal and heavy-handed the show was with its "foreshadowing", at this point Master Sol might as well BE the other Sith in question.
Surrounding cast is great, but I'm still waiting for either twin to make me care about them at all. Still no defining purpose, direction, eseence of character, etc. Mae is angry and scared but that's it, she doesn't even have a solid direction for those emotions. Osha is just indecisive nothingness, she started out as a character whose goal was freedom from a shackled childhood and a desire for independence in the galaxy, but is now just... nothing. They gotta fix that (along with the whole "movie that isn't a movie" thing) if this is gonna be a "good show". But tbh its already too late if we only get 8eps and the main characters are still like that
this is somewhat unrelated, but you know... you helped me realize something about Mae. Freedom is something that is of great importance to her, since the beginning. And what was Qimir's stated goal, the reason he killed the jedi? To ensure his own freedom... his freedom to live and practice the force how he wants and freedom to feel the emotions he wants to feel. That's what's going to convince Osha to join his side.
Also they find out this Jedi team is all but wiped out and they send a rescue team that is less than half of the original team’s numbers. Why the hell would you go into an obvious dangerous combat situation with less warriors?
Vernestra Rhoe in the High Republic books is certainly a different character as here in the Acolyte. Vernestra became a jedi very early. She is loyal to the jedi...she isn't a shady character. Why can't they create their own character?
Definitely a better episode, but I did find it a little silly no one check on the wookie who they knew lived there and the line" they were all killed by a lightsaber" but one had a snapped kneck. Still not as bad as cutting your hair with a lightsaber 'when you have knives' and then no noticed the smell of burnt hair, that smell lingers. I get it though was meant for dramatic effect. But the two best story arcs are Sol and what he knows, and what's the go with the sith.
@@worldsheaviestjamband93 hAvE u EveR W... shut up I'm talking viewer retention, since it's quite apparent the viewer base has already abandoned this project. I'm going to watch it because I've loved Star Wars for over 3 decades... but good luck keeping and maintaining said fandom after the absolute dumpster fire that was episodes 1-4. 5 was redeeming, but did absolutely nothing for the story. Heaven forbid someone critiques, right?
Too true. I held out hope for this series but it only really got interesting in episode 5 and on which is not great. Overall, the series itself has been largely boring and it's struggling to get to the point it's trying to make. This series could've been like a third or a quarter as long and still hit the plot points it has served so far. I feel like there's not enough meat to the story and the characters to care. And this is all coming from someone who was optimistic about the series before it began.
@@bumblethis3682 100% agree. They even had something going on with Jecki and Yord and just completely ended it. I'm not complaining about the deaths as I wasn't a fan of their characters and it was humorous to me, but they built them up as if they were important and they were just absolute cannon fodder in the end; Yord ended up a sack of potatoes after that neck snap. The awesome 30-minute episode (read: fight) made it interesting; but I don't know where they were going with it. lol Biggest kudos goes definitely goes to Sol's character development and backstory. They did do a good job on wanting you to know more on what happened that night on Brendok. I want to know if the Jedi are willing to sweep this under the rug. I want to know if said Jedi have such a scandal it was enough to put the Republic on such a high alert that the Jedi are chastised.
I think Sol is protecting Mae to get to Osha and Qimir faster than the other Jedi. I think it's clearly implied that Qimir was in fact whipped, probably for prying into Sith stuff and questioning the order at the least. Probably outcast and marked as punishment.
I love your channel so much Eck and you've given me some absolute amazing perspectives on Star Wars media as a whole. I say that first so you know I respect you and everything you do, but... This show hurts to even think about. It just isn't for me. I won't shame anyone who still watches it or genuinely enjoys it because thats wrong. However, this show is just bad. It is. I will never like it, I won't hate it, but I'll never like it. I appreciate your videos on The Acolyte and especially everything else. Your opinion is valued by me. I think it's important to always get both sides, and your videos/input help me to not hate this show. But I will never like it.
yea this show is bad. Some of these comments make me feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I don't understand why the jedi are so heavily featured in a show that is suposed to be about the sith. Cannot help but feel like a script was written then re-written to shoehorn in the twins and every nonsensical decision made is the justify the shoehorn. Qimir is the clear star. The only watchable scenes are the ones he's in. The actor playing Sol is also really good. Everything else in this show is kinda garbage. It also seems like it was written to be a movie and just broken down into 8 parts. I'm very interested to know what, exactly, people are enjoying who say they like the show.
@@nathanroyster1324I like the show cuz the jedi being holier than thou is boring to me. I want to see the jedi corrupt, to see the bureaucrats take over the acolyte should be called the high republic or smth cuz I don't think we need to focus on the sith (I am also pretty anti cult I didn't like the watch and I want to see the erosion of the jedi)
@@Vihaan-hl3lp but the entire point to the jedi is they are the opposite of the sith. Why not just feature the sith? Turning the jedi evil is pointless
@@nathanroyster1324 they aren't "evil" just incompetent and if you leave an organisation of basically gods unchecked with unlimited power and no checks in place they will become lazy and corrupt
@@nathanroyster1324 In the clone wars Ventress is shown to have a backstory where she used to be a jedi and turned into a sith assasin. In the prequels you see Anakin become Darth Vader. Jedi becoming evil is a staple of star wars.
Still enjoying it. The only issue of course is episode length. Episode 4 and 5 should've been one episode for sure. We should be further along in the story by now, if not done. Excited to see how they resolve this for canon. One possibility that I know would upset a lot of people is that they don't outright resolve the conflict with Mundi's line from Phantom Menace by the end of the season and choose to explain it in supplementary material. Or we're getting a second season still.
I think Qimir is Sol's father, long lived because of the dark side. That's why he is eager to take Sol's apprentice the way the jedi took Sol. Either that of he is using a force glamour at all times except when he's wearing the helmet and he's one of the sith lords.
Qimir could have been Vernestra's padawan. During a fight, she may have accidentally hit him, and thought he was dead, and had to flee. 🤷🏻♂️ She has to recon the deaths, and showed her saber, so there could be a connection there. I prefer ep 5 the most. The sheer brutality of it. Then followed up by 6 as it shows Qimir is just at peace and matter of fact about the situation.
My theory is that Qimir was a Jedi and Vernestra was his master. He was seduced to the dark side by Sol and after some training Sol sent Qimir to kill Vernestra as his first test, but he was still relatively young, maybe 15/16. Vernestra defeated him thinking she’d kill him, hence the back scar. Then something happens with Sol where Vernestra erases his memories like what happened with Revan. I think Qimir wants Sol to remember so he can then fight and kill him because he feels Sol puts kids in the line of battle. So he blames Sol for what happened to him and even though he killed Jekie, he blames Sol. Alternatively maybe Sol and Qimir are brothers, there’s a few avenues this could take, the same as I mentioned or maybe Qimir was a baby when Sol joined the Jedi, but Sol can’t remember having a brother. Growing up, Qimir lived under Sol’s shadow, the son chosen by the Jedi at just 4, but then Qimir is taken on when he’s a little older and later rejected, perhaps even by Sol and he never told Sol he was his brother which pushed him to the dark side.
Qimir and Sol are easily the best thing about this series, do hope it is building up to a Plagueis reveal showing him find Palpatine at the end or something....
I'd watch episode 6 again just to double check the dialog and see if there wasn't something else I missed. In particular the Qimir mentions the helmet provides sensory deprivation, but I wasn't sure if that had anything to do with the cortosis or if it just didn't have usable eye openings (which is didn't). If you remember, Obi-won stuck a helmet on Luke with the blast shield down to make him use the force instead of his eyes.
My theory is Qmir was Ventestra jedi apprentice and Venestra had to fight it him at one point, thinking he was dead she never thought he would emerge untill she learned about the recent events and thats why she went to investigate personally. Still not quite sure how everything will be a cover up though. Many jedi have died, my only theeoy on that is Sol will be blamed for all their deaths and then die himself
"Interesting" is a good descriptor of where this show is now for me. It's still not great but it's getting interested. I'm curious to see if Sol is gonna turn away from the order.
Is it just me, or does the lightsabers and whip looks bigger in one shot, then others. I also noticed this in the last episode.... Their hands seems to only be able to grip a bit over half of the hilts for some of the persons....lol.
Qimir's helmet might not be his helmet. Not counting out she's about to be face to face with the original Sith to wear it. We know from the comics that putting on a Sith's mask is dangerous.
we've only got 8 episodes, and at least 2 of the 6 episodes have been nothing but lead ups to the next episodes...yeah this could probably be a two hour movie with virtually no loss of content.
As someone who's generally liked the series and has defended it somewhat, this episode kind of pissed me off. I thought the directing was great and the story has compelling moments but then... the episode just ended. It wasn't even like a cliff hanger, it was like the episode just ended early.
The "fallen Jedi" hypothesis they make after discovering the bodies makes absolutely no sense. Sol is a master but he's certainly not powerful enough to take on seven armed Jedi and come on top.
Think of it like this... Qimir did best them all and then at the end technically Sol bested him and would have killed Qimir had Osha not stopped him. So theoretically Sol was more than capable of beating a group of jedi knights especially since he has the rank of master.
they explicitly state in the episode that "Sol was the only one in the group who could have the power to do this", so yeah, I think he's strong enough, especially if he were to turn to the dark side with all the emotional baggage he has.
More importantly, why? Why would they automatically suspect Sol. Especially if he was the one who reached out. If he was a fallen Jedi wouldn't he just leave? Why clue the other jedi into the fact that he killed his entire team?
I don’t like how it took 4+ episodes to get decent. I do start to think this may be how Yoda finds out about the rule of 2. And one of the Jedi in this episode is definitely the old master of Swole Sith over here.
5:11 could their be a connection between the shape of his scars/wounds (like a Y shape) and the shape of the fold (Y shape) of her Jedi outer rob? 5:48
Qimir showed Osha his cortosis vein.
is that what the kids are calling it now? ;)
😅Brilliant
Do you mean the vain on his PENIS? 🤔
This is too good
Qimir looking like he's in an Old Spice commercial.
“Hello, ladies. Look at the Jedi, now back to me. Now back to the Jedi, now back to me. Now back to the Jedi, NOW back to ME… Suddenly I’m naked in a pool and you find yourself wondering, ‘Maybe the dark side ISN’T so bad’…”
@@fightingfalcon777
'Look up. Look down. Where are you? You're on a rocky archipelago that's labeled as "Unknown Planet" despite looking quite similar to Ach-to.'
😂
I got an oldspice add on this video lol
Old Spice? I want New Spice!
Sol and Qimir have been carrying this series so hard
I agree
100%
Only reason we all still watching
I kind of like it when the primary protagonist and the primary antagonist are the best parts. Maybe that's just me.
nah they're all woke dei hires
The best way to gain Osha's trust is to let her hold your lightsaber
"Feels nice doesn't it?"
Why does this sound like a euphemism?
It is absolutely true in its literal interpretation, but it sounds wrong just the same.
so true. terrible writing right? not even sol's acting makes the woke propaganda bearable to watch
@@f-86zoomer37 he means it in another way 💀💀💀
@f-86zoomer37 - What's woke about any of it? Lack of explicitly straight white males? Lesbian witches? 🤔
I'm thinking that Qimir was rejected by the Sith AND the Jedi, and he forms the Knights of Ren. It isn't a coincidence we keep hearing Kylo's theme with him.
I like the idea of the knights of Ren being sith rejects.
Were the Knights of Ren even around? I though Kylo was the founder of the Knights of Ren and the Knights of Ren as seen on screen were not bad ass enough to be forgotten or discarded Sith. In fact they were barely an inconvenience.
The Knights that are mentioned and then killed mostly off screen/flashbacks? They were the coolest.
He's no Knight of Ren
@@christopherpoet458 in fact, they were founded in the Old Republic era, so they were definitely around.
Sith Master: “Somehow, Qimir survived”
Pappatine: “Write that down. WRITE THAT DOWN!” 📝
Surviving by being off-screen is a high level sith ability
I'd rewatch for Lee Jung-jae, his performance is honestly captivating beyond words.
His acting has been top notch this whole season already, but he really stepped it up to another level in episode 6!
How bout one word:
“BORTLES!”
"squad wiped" 💀
I was surprised that Disney actually introduced nudity to Star Wars. But then again, sex was introduced in Andor
Ah well and than theres those species in star wars i forget what they are called but they are focused on sex
@@davidordaz5251 Twi’Leks?
@@davidordaz5251twi'leks?
@@davidordaz5251Zeltrons. The pink skinned humanoids on the pleasure planet Zeltros. That’s probably what you’re thinking of.
@@davidordaz5251Do you mean the Zeltrons? The magenta humanoids?
That is an interesting catch with Vernestra. Qimir also asked Sol if he remembers him. To which Sol answered, “I feel something familiar.” And Qimir said that he once was a Jedi and the Mesters under Vernestra believe that who Sol claims was Mae must have been trained by a Jedi. And he brings up the sensory deprivation helmets that hound Jedi use to sharpen their connection to the Force by letting it guide they lightsaber moves to block training lasers.
What if Qimir was one of Vernestra’s old pupils? While the other Jedi are starting question whether Sol is using Osha’s trauma of what happened 16 years earlier to go on a killing spree, since it left him messed up too like Torbin and Kelnacca. BUT, Vernestra now suspects Qimir because sometimes Force users leave traces of their presence behind when emotions run high just as we heard echos of the skirmish. And maybe she recognized a bit of the style too. She probably isn’t thinking Sith, she has no reason too. Just that her wayward former Padawan had fallen to the Darkside and decides to start a path to vengeance.
I think they’re going to merge Bal’demnic and Ahch-To, it’s gonna be the same place…the first Jedi Temple would also be sacred to the Sith, because they splintered off from the Jedi even their roots come from this place and the location is lost to the Jedi Order.
Luke finds it later and hides himself in the force, he has a red Kyber Crystal hanging on his wall, it’s in the outer rim, it looks identical…in my opinion, everything lines up to Bal’demnic and Ahch-To being the same exact place.
This would be interesting and i thought it was Ahch-To too until i saw those little elephant-birds. The ahch-to bird/puffin things were very distinct, and one of the only things people remembered positively about that movie. To me, showing that the birds are different, that's the one thing they did to show that it's not the same place, that they just look very similar
@@cloudmaster182Yeah but look at the morphology of the newly introduced creatures compared to the blue milk cow things from the sequels. Very similar snout and other features. Doesn't necessarily mean anything but it could be an allusion.
Not to mention the weird sith butthole cave Rey enters to find out who her parents are. That planet, like Dagobah has some dark side energy behind it
@FatGuyInSpace - "sith butthole cave" 😂
@@SaltyViper Could be also other animals from the same planet or the same system, sharing the same specific features.
It's like going through DNA of any animal on our Earth. We find similarities and differences, less or more in the relation to how far their tree branches go. Like we humans and gorillas are old cousins.
A good analogy I read about the sith problem was this: The Vikings dissapeared 1000 years ago, so when someone commits a murder nobody is gonna assume its a viking, unless someone survives and directly says a Viking is responsible. Likewise the sith dissapeared long ago so unless there is a direct witness, which Qimir tried to avoid, nobody is going to assume the sith are back because a fallen jedi is a much more likely explanation.
Also legends had many dark jedi and sith attacks that were covered up so it's not that hard to believe
A better analogy might me a druid. A long lost religious order that nobody believes to have survived and so if some catholic priest was murdered nobody would suspect a druid did it and even if there was some evidence of druid-like practice they would rather assume it is some larper over the idea that the druid religion survived intact all of this time.
@@MultiSpeedMetal Definitely not. If a Catholic priest is murdered, the most likely explanation is a fallen priest. Black robes in mass and all that. "This is his *BLOOD*"
Would it be so hard for Disney just to make a series about a Jedi cataloguing species on planets? No empire, no sith, just a space monk Steve Irwin.
Edit: it doesn’t have to be a full series, it could be like how visions had its episode length.
Star Wars theory constantly crying and there isn't a lightsaber every 30 seconds
@@Planag7 its sad because years ago his channel was quite good at covering comics, films etc.. now he just make outrage content and whine about everything. Dont get me wrong theres plenty to criticise Disney for, but there are WAYS to do it that dont make you look like whinny weirdo making outrage content
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@@brunohommerding3416 He still has some good criticisms about the actual substance of Disney Star Wars overall, but he's a fucking hypocrite because he talks all the time about how there are real problems to talk about and not to give any weight to the "-ists and -phobes" as he puts it, but then he refuses to stop those people from platforming themselves off his content or sometimes even platforms them himself. He's a shithead
People are saying vernastra or whatever her name is qimirs ex master. Sith wise. Which would be very interesting. But knowing that the showrunner is very familiar with Kotor/high republic lore, i have a feeling his old master is tenebrous. But the markings on his back look similar to how a lightsaber wip could hit someones back.
I can see her being his former jedi master before he turned to the sith and then left them.
But either way i can see her covering up what happened to also cover her ass
Yeah they are setting it up the motivation for covering it up by having the scene about politicians being anti-Jedi. Since some politicians wants to do some anti-Jedi legislation or whatever it is, it's terrible timing to reveal that many Jedi was killed by a force wielder. They also setup in episode 4 that the Jedi High Council are obligated to share things with the senate, so Vernestra will likely not share it with them.
It was okay. Took 6 episodes for the show to be where it should have been by at least the third episode
The acolyte, the movie. . . Is what should have happened
One of my biggest issues with the show so far is that it struggles to stick the landings on episodes endings. Last week's was by far its best, but this week's episode felt like it needed an extra beat before cutting to credits. As it was, it would have worked better as the end of a much longer episode or even the season as a whole.
As for why Sol doesn't check in with the Jedi, I honestly feel like too many people view character actions through the lens of being 100% logical at all times, as if every character is a Vulcan from Star Trek. Sol's entire team, including his Padawan, was just murdered. His past was called into question by The Stranger, and you can see the turmoil he's going through. He's clearly not thinking straight. People in emotional turmoil don't always do the logical thing, it's what makes characters flawed. This is my two cents on it, people may not agree, but that's my take.
Sol failing to check in has nothing to do with logic. It's expecting basic common sense from a character who's supposed to be a trained professional. Not only that but we spend an entire episode watching Sol try to fix a painfully contrived failure only for him to have a sudden change of heart just as help is about to arrive. He hadn't received any new information so why would he do this? The sad thing is that I'm not convinced we'll ever get a justification for his irrational decision-making.
@@maweitao Uhm he's flirting with leaving the order? I'm fairly certain that's where this is going.
@@maweitao I notice something with every Star Wars show Disney produced so far (excluding Andor and The Clone Wars). Everything goes alright or amazing within the show but once it comes to create an ending, it's not done justice as it should.
Like with The Ahsoka, Jedi should freaking cut arms, legs and heads of these troopers and witch magic should make them connect back and continue fighting. If Thrawn is so smart, he should destroy doors so they cannot use them to their advantage. Maybe I am missing sth here
Thank you for being levelheaded and a great review unlike hating
It was quite horrific when the Jedi find their dead. Particularly Jecki, staring almost right down at the audience. A great piece of direction. The Acolyte doesn't pull it's punches like most other Star Wars media.
It’s the dialogue writing, cheap look/feeling, and acting that is really holding this show back. I mean the origins of the modern Sith and Jedi corruptions and cover ups could’ve made an extremely interesting show. Like wtf is happening
I thiik the akwerd dialogue of mae is on purpose she is confused and grew up completely seperate from the rest of the galaxy and is figuring out things I think its intentinal and conveys this well. All the characters who are supposed to be normal like Sol, sith, and the other jedi are fine
@@kimmund3204I think they shouldn't have did twins that look alike and should have just gotten 2 different actors to play twins I don't think she has the experience to pull of trying to play 2 different characters like try to act like a different person it's hard
It's shakespeare
@@kimmund3204 Nah the dialogue and its delivery are so amateurish it hurts. It’s so fucking bad
Ever watched the Prequels? This is nothing new for Star Wars
The show really seemed to round into its full form in this episode. Ep 5 was a real banger, but the plot threads are starting to form a full picture now
It would have been a stronger season layout if the writers had kept alluding to different perspectives on the origin story, avoided devoting ep3 to one pov flashback, and used a single episode later in the season for a rashomon flashback covering both twins' pov's on the past events.
I have enjoyed the whole series, I see the writing has been weak... but the last two episodes are trending upward in terms of quality. My complaints are short episodes, and the rapid pace of the villain unmasks. I dont think Qimir should have been unmasked until the end of the season.
Qimir is giving the exact same argument that every sith has given about why the dark side is better to follow than the light side. I'm disappointed that the writers couldn't come up with anything more interesting or convincing. It's ridiculous that Osha could even remotely buy into anything he's saying after what she's seen him do.
Yeah this was a good episode
Those twins however are not very good characters and do seem to be a bit stale, imo
I enjoyed it
@@Miresgaldir the twins are the worst part in the show
@@bigshaq6634 the show should be about Qimir and Sol. The twins as an idea are cool, but the execution is just so boring
Eating the eyecandy are we
When the subtitle “unknown planet” came up i laughed out loud
Same!
Yeah, like thanks for the information! 😅 Another mystery the show refuses to explain.
Me too that actually cracked me up. Osha looking around lost then "unknown planet" hahah
Seconds before that my wife was like "Is that the planet Luke went to in the sequels" I'm like "I think so" and then immediately the show goes "No it's not, idiots!" and we both laughed.
Me too, but I'm wondering if the planet names like this were added later in the edits because test audiences thought it was the same planet.
When I heard Qimir's non-explanations about his past, being older than he looks, and having been a Jedi a a LONG time ago, I began wondering if he might in fact be a reimagining of aspects of EU character Set Harth, one-time apprentice to Darth Zannah, who fled the final confrontation with Darth Bane stealing the secrets of Essence Transferal that were thought lost with Bane's Death. This would track with his not quite having the vibe of a rule of Two Sith but still being around at this point. And could make for quite the twist when one of the actual current two Sith shows up.
I find it funny how they would hear an entire jedi team wiped out and only send 4 jedi.
"Maybe if your into Qmir, but probably not." Eck have you not seen how much thirst is surrounding Qmir.
Your comment that it's an 8 hour movie got me thinking: the problem is that they're trying to treat it like an 8 hour movie AND a show at the same time. It lacks the flow of a movie, which I have difficulty thinking of a single show that managed to pull off the movie feel across an entire season. Maybe 24? It would be an interesting cinematic experiment to actually make an 8 hour film then chop it into hour(ish) long pieces.
I told you for severel weeks that the Jedi has encountered fallen/dark Jedi often enough to go clue hunting for those rather than assuming its a Sith. Its part of what make the Sith be able to work in the dark for all that time. So its does not really matter if there is a Sith or not since they will basicly fold themselves to belive its a Fallen Jedi. J.
“Hold my lightsaber”. Um bro, how about some coffee first? 😂
Osha has clearly always had an underlying attraction to the darkside as seen by how she treated that butterfly bug in episode three. She then condemns mae for using the force to trap and harm the bug.
In episode 4, osha is again clearly shown to be attracted to the bugs which were corrupting the forest. To me, it seems the bugs feed on the Darkside or are Darkside aligned. Osha also discovers the bugs are attracted to light sources.
In episode 6, Vernestra is attacked by one of the bugs but unlike in episode 4, there is no light source that would have attracted the bug as Vernestra activates her lightsaber AFTER the bug starts its attack run. This tells me that Vernestra is giving off Darkside vibes which the padawan accompanying her can't sense. Let's not forget that in legends continuity, purple lightsabers are associated with those who come close and can touch the darkside without fully succumbing to it
The reactions to this episode are wild. Some people are calling it their favourite and others easily the worst.
Qimir does not restrain Osha, while Sol restrains Mae. Show is going out of its way to make the Jedi look bad and the Sith look good.
If Plaguies appears in this show (With the same traits and personality of the book) this series will be redeemed.
Qimir doesn’t look like a different species. I’m assuming it wasn’t that long ago that he was near the Jedi.
Or he's doing a Palpatine and is hiding under an illusion. You heard it here first, folks: Manny Jacinto's ripped body is just a cover for a shrivelled old palpy.
Very good episode for set up, restarting the story after that wild action of last episode.
if it wasn’t for episode 3 I’d have a much higher opinion of this show I think. This episode made me actually interested in what’s going on.
How is this your favorite episode? NOTHING HAPPENS
This entire show is just withholding information from the audience. It's so boring and lame. No mystery, no intrigue, just people holding information back until... later... 🤦🏼♂️
Gotta let them love what they love. . . Till they come to their senses and don't. I thought I loved The Force Awakens until I 'Awakened' after the Last Jedi released. Let this train wreck complete and maybe he and some of them will realize all of this content is a middle finger to George Lucas and the true Star Wars. That Star Wars is never coming back. They're content in loving this style of writing, 'spaceships and lazer swords'. Its our duty to just stop caring about this Disney garbage.
Genuinely how do you like this show for the amount of terrible dialogue, scenes, writing. What even is the mystery? It’s like if Sol said “what’s in this lunchbox?” You’d all be like “ooooh wow! So great!” Like literally nothing is happenin, character motivations are changing so much. This girl just lost her sister for 17 years and finds out the dark side used who trained her alongside seeing him kill tons of Jedi. Then checks him out 💀, doesn’t bother killing him because of the plot.
I might binge on all eight episodes together when it's done. The serialized format is nice to keep the mystery alive, but otherwise this is very obviously a four-hour movie split into 30 minute segments.
I came here just to ask what software did you use for your famed battle break downs
Like I’ve said before, it’s really nice to hear a take that isn’t blindly scathing. There are other creators on this platform that are clearly too offended by the comments and opinions of the showrunner to actually watch this “lore breaking” show. They’re more concerned about spinning a profitable narrative. As this series has gone on, it’s become more and more apparent to me that the people behind it know what they’re doing, and I had very low expectations for the show. I give more credence to Eck’s critique of the cinematography than some theorist complaining about Ki-Adi Mundi’s age.
Yeah I have to agree. As far as lore and tone it’s much better than kenobi was. I like the part where the green Jedi master said that hyperspace was unsettling. In legends it can actually be a very terrifying place to end up, and I think this was a callback to that.
But as far as the show as a whole, I think that if all the episodes were released at one time instead of weekly it wouldn’t have allowed for so many people to complain about things that were clearly part of the plot progression (like Osha’s unreliable memory of Brendok.)
I rewatched the episode this morning and noticed a couple of things: 1, Osha asks Qimir what it is he wants, and he responds: "The power of two." To me, this implies he is not an apprentice, and is operating independently under the guise that the Sith are in fact extinct. He has educated himself on the Sith and their teachings, but has had no contact with a Sith lord at this point.
2: Mae didn't kill her "family". She wouldn't be so mad at the Jedi for her own over-reaction. The one scene in Ep. 3, all of the (assumed) Nightsisters were lumped into a pile just about, insinuating that they were masacred, not just victims of a fire. This is likely what is weighing on Sol's mind. He is clearly working through some conflicting emotions.
3: I'd like to buy off on the Venestra/Qimir Master/Padawan theory, but I think it might actually be a deliberate misdirect. There is definitely a connection, but I'm just trying to put it together. What struck me as odd was the intentional comment her padawan made about her reluctance for hyperspace travel and her response being: "It's... unsettling." She is clearly disturbed by this entire chain of events. While not upfront about it, she appears rather shaken, and is doing a good job to just push things forward faster than they should be. Whether this is being done intentionally, or just poor acting/directing, really dictates the substance.
Problem with Bal'demic is that respirators are required to be on that planet.
Mysterious Sith: "I am... Darth Plagueis!!"
Eck: "Pleggis"
Sith: "...No, Plagueis! Like a plague upon the Jedi!!"
Eck: "Pleggis"
Sith: "Look, stop that will you?"
Eck: "PLEGGIS"
My current theory is that Vernestra Rwoh was Qimir's master. She has a hyperspace vision of him turning to the dark side and tries to kill him, which leads him to turn.
3:13 is that image concept art from the 2003 show?
My take is that that scar on his back is definitely from Vernestra's lightsaber. I'm thinking he was a former Padawan of hers, Sol was either the Padawan before or immediately after, which is why he said Qimir seems familiar.
I also suspect that they weren't originally on May and Oshas home world for them. I think they were tracking Qimir and stumbled upon the girls, who Qimir was eyeing up for Acolytes and Sol trying to be a good Jedi went out of his way to recruit them knowing full well they were too old.
I can see Qimir being Sol's son, that he was given to Venestra as a pupil and when she found out Sol had a connection to his child she got rid of the child... or at least thats what I think they where hinting at.
the scars look like force lightning scars
Azlin Rell. I know many havnt read the high republic, he was around 100 years before Vern, used the dark side to extend his life, etc. He came back for some reasons aftwr the path of the open hand had turned into Marchion Ros Nihil. The nameless were a threat to all users of the force, i actually would bet that tenebrous and plaugius if they were alive during this time (its actually within a few decades of when plaugius would have been picked up by his master after basically being produced like a prized dog) and i cant imagine the sith being down with something so dangerous lurking around. and thwre are many ways this could still tie into those novels. Im really enjoying this and kinda hoping they dont make them conflict. Id love for them to be able to reintergrate the plaugius novel, as long as Dave filloni doesnt have anything to do with it. Hes the mastwr of destroying characters as a cheap trick to stroke his own ego
Been looking into some things and theres a thing called the doctrine of the dyad, and i mean its about twins and is a predecessor of the rule or two could this be an old sith cult trying to inact the doctrine of the dyad (i think the ultimate purpose of the dyad to transcend or something?)
just wondering what you think of it?
sorry if i missed some other comments or videos about this let me know if i have.
That sure was six characters split into 3 pairs talking about things that have already happened in the series for the whole episode.
Episode 6 of The Mandalorian was when Din is roped into the Republic prison ship heist with Mayfeld, the pacing of this one is just, agonizing sometimes in comparison man!
This obsession that one line is wild. The Jedi simply could’ve meant the sith havnt been a threat for this time. They obviously knew the sith weren’t extinct
Aparently this island was shot in Portugal while Achto was shot in Scotland.
7:15 "The Sith, long lost enemy, gone for a thousand years." Imagine hearing in 2024 that Italy had been raided by the Sea-Peoples. Sure, the Sea-Peoples actually existed once upon a time, but nobody's heard from them since the Bronze Age so.... maybe the light saber they saw was more orangish.
I wonder if the whip scene was a red herring. That scar looks like it could have been done with force lightning
I dunno, at this point I'm starting to get annoyed at the show already, because I feel like it wastes time deliberately. All these details that they throw in are basically meaningless without greater context, and the show constantly yanking that context out, seemingly determined to wait until last possible moment to reveal it. At this point I don't even believe that next episode would be a flashback. The show said this episode would be a flashback, and it did everything to stop master Sol from talking. Maybe a pipe falls on him in the opening and stops him from explaining, since this ship seems to be allergic to elaboration, malfunctioning as soon as Sol opens his mouth.
And considering how literal and heavy-handed the show was with its "foreshadowing", at this point Master Sol might as well BE the other Sith in question.
The average life span of a Star wars galactic citizen is 200
Surrounding cast is great, but I'm still waiting for either twin to make me care about them at all. Still no defining purpose, direction, eseence of character, etc.
Mae is angry and scared but that's it, she doesn't even have a solid direction for those emotions. Osha is just indecisive nothingness, she started out as a character whose goal was freedom from a shackled childhood and a desire for independence in the galaxy, but is now just... nothing.
They gotta fix that (along with the whole "movie that isn't a movie" thing) if this is gonna be a "good show". But tbh its already too late if we only get 8eps and the main characters are still like that
Yeah the weakness of the series is the twins they aren’t interesting or well acted.
this is somewhat unrelated, but you know... you helped me realize something about Mae. Freedom is something that is of great importance to her, since the beginning. And what was Qimir's stated goal, the reason he killed the jedi? To ensure his own freedom... his freedom to live and practice the force how he wants and freedom to feel the emotions he wants to feel. That's what's going to convince Osha to join his side.
Also they find out this Jedi team is all but wiped out and they send a rescue team that is less than half of the original team’s numbers. Why the hell would you go into an obvious dangerous combat situation with less warriors?
Unfortunately, the second sith the showrunner keeps teasing might simply be Mae/Osha (whichever is which)
I'm dubious about the prospect of a season two, so they better wrap Qmir's story in full by the end of the season
From what I've seen of Disney's PR they will give it Season2. Media empires learned decades ago that if they make it people will buy it.
Vernestra Rhoe in the High Republic books is certainly a different character as here in the Acolyte. Vernestra became a jedi very early. She is loyal to the jedi...she isn't a shady character. Why can't they create their own character?
Definitely a better episode, but I did find it a little silly no one check on the wookie who they knew lived there and the line" they were all killed by a lightsaber" but one had a snapped kneck. Still not as bad as cutting your hair with a lightsaber 'when you have knives' and then no noticed the smell of burnt hair, that smell lingers. I get it though was meant for dramatic effect.
But the two best story arcs are Sol and what he knows, and what's the go with the sith.
Qmir showed Osha his engorged Cortisis vein!!!
Haven't watched the show but low key looks the tiniest bit like Darth momins helmet
Man, this is how the show should've been. But I feel it's too late. The show shouldn't "start being good" on episode 6 of 8...
It’s too late? Have you ever watched a TV series before?
It’s like judging The Office on the writers strike season one episodes.
@@worldsheaviestjamband93 hAvE u EveR W...
shut up
I'm talking viewer retention, since it's quite apparent the viewer base has already abandoned this project. I'm going to watch it because I've loved Star Wars for over 3 decades... but good luck keeping and maintaining said fandom after the absolute dumpster fire that was episodes 1-4. 5 was redeeming, but did absolutely nothing for the story.
Heaven forbid someone critiques, right?
Too true. I held out hope for this series but it only really got interesting in episode 5 and on which is not great. Overall, the series itself has been largely boring and it's struggling to get to the point it's trying to make. This series could've been like a third or a quarter as long and still hit the plot points it has served so far. I feel like there's not enough meat to the story and the characters to care. And this is all coming from someone who was optimistic about the series before it began.
@@bumblethis3682 100% agree. They even had something going on with Jecki and Yord and just completely ended it. I'm not complaining about the deaths as I wasn't a fan of their characters and it was humorous to me, but they built them up as if they were important and they were just absolute cannon fodder in the end; Yord ended up a sack of potatoes after that neck snap.
The awesome 30-minute episode (read: fight) made it interesting; but I don't know where they were going with it. lol
Biggest kudos goes definitely goes to Sol's character development and backstory. They did do a good job on wanting you to know more on what happened that night on Brendok. I want to know if the Jedi are willing to sweep this under the rug. I want to know if said Jedi have such a scandal it was enough to put the Republic on such a high alert that the Jedi are chastised.
Someone needs to compile these episodes into a single movie
I think Sol is protecting Mae to get to Osha and Qimir faster than the other Jedi. I think it's clearly implied that Qimir was in fact whipped, probably for prying into Sith stuff and questioning the order at the least. Probably outcast and marked as punishment.
Sol cannot hide the truth forever.
I love your channel so much Eck and you've given me some absolute amazing perspectives on Star Wars media as a whole.
I say that first so you know I respect you and everything you do, but... This show hurts to even think about. It just isn't for me. I won't shame anyone who still watches it or genuinely enjoys it because thats wrong. However, this show is just bad. It is. I will never like it, I won't hate it, but I'll never like it.
I appreciate your videos on The Acolyte and especially everything else. Your opinion is valued by me. I think it's important to always get both sides, and your videos/input help me to not hate this show. But I will never like it.
yea this show is bad. Some of these comments make me feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I don't understand why the jedi are so heavily featured in a show that is suposed to be about the sith. Cannot help but feel like a script was written then re-written to shoehorn in the twins and every nonsensical decision made is the justify the shoehorn. Qimir is the clear star. The only watchable scenes are the ones he's in. The actor playing Sol is also really good. Everything else in this show is kinda garbage. It also seems like it was written to be a movie and just broken down into 8 parts. I'm very interested to know what, exactly, people are enjoying who say they like the show.
@@nathanroyster1324I like the show cuz the jedi being holier than thou is boring to me. I want to see the jedi corrupt, to see the bureaucrats take over the acolyte should be called the high republic or smth cuz I don't think we need to focus on the sith (I am also pretty anti cult I didn't like the watch and I want to see the erosion of the jedi)
@@Vihaan-hl3lp but the entire point to the jedi is they are the opposite of the sith. Why not just feature the sith? Turning the jedi evil is pointless
@@nathanroyster1324 they aren't "evil" just incompetent and if you leave an organisation of basically gods unchecked with unlimited power and no checks in place they will become lazy and corrupt
@@nathanroyster1324 In the clone wars Ventress is shown to have a backstory where she used to be a jedi and turned into a sith assasin. In the prequels you see Anakin become Darth Vader. Jedi becoming evil is a staple of star wars.
Still enjoying it. The only issue of course is episode length. Episode 4 and 5 should've been one episode for sure. We should be further along in the story by now, if not done. Excited to see how they resolve this for canon. One possibility that I know would upset a lot of people is that they don't outright resolve the conflict with Mundi's line from Phantom Menace by the end of the season and choose to explain it in supplementary material. Or we're getting a second season still.
I think Qimir is Sol's father, long lived because of the dark side. That's why he is eager to take Sol's apprentice the way the jedi took Sol. Either that of he is using a force glamour at all times except when he's wearing the helmet and he's one of the sith lords.
Qimir could have been Vernestra's padawan. During a fight, she may have accidentally hit him, and thought he was dead, and had to flee. 🤷🏻♂️ She has to recon the deaths, and showed her saber, so there could be a connection there. I prefer ep 5 the most. The sheer brutality of it. Then followed up by 6 as it shows Qimir is just at peace and matter of fact about the situation.
Could Qimir be Set Harth?
My thought exactly upon seeing the episode, some kind of reimagining of the character concept.
My theory is that Qimir was a Jedi and Vernestra was his master. He was seduced to the dark side by Sol and after some training Sol sent Qimir to kill Vernestra as his first test, but he was still relatively young, maybe 15/16. Vernestra defeated him thinking she’d kill him, hence the back scar. Then something happens with Sol where Vernestra erases his memories like what happened with Revan. I think Qimir wants Sol to remember so he can then fight and kill him because he feels Sol puts kids in the line of battle. So he blames Sol for what happened to him and even though he killed Jekie, he blames Sol.
Alternatively maybe Sol and Qimir are brothers, there’s a few avenues this could take, the same as I mentioned or maybe Qimir was a baby when Sol joined the Jedi, but Sol can’t remember having a brother. Growing up, Qimir lived under Sol’s shadow, the son chosen by the Jedi at just 4, but then Qimir is taken on when he’s a little older and later rejected, perhaps even by Sol and he never told Sol he was his brother which pushed him to the dark side.
Qimir and Sol are easily the best thing about this series, do hope it is building up to a Plagueis reveal showing him find Palpatine at the end or something....
I'd watch episode 6 again just to double check the dialog and see if there wasn't something else I missed. In particular the Qimir mentions the helmet provides sensory deprivation, but I wasn't sure if that had anything to do with the cortosis or if it just didn't have usable eye openings (which is didn't). If you remember, Obi-won stuck a helmet on Luke with the blast shield down to make him use the force instead of his eyes.
My theory is Qmir was Ventestra jedi apprentice and Venestra had to fight it him at one point, thinking he was dead she never thought he would emerge untill she learned about the recent events and thats why she went to investigate personally. Still not quite sure how everything will be a cover up though. Many jedi have died, my only theeoy on that is Sol will be blamed for all their deaths and then die himself
I like tuning in every week to hear your thoughts on the show, despite not watching it. Much love, Eck
thanks eck! i'm thinking the same thing about vernestra because of the twist of her lightwhip hilt and the twist of qimir's hilt to get the shoto
Didn't notice watching the episode but their some kind of large aquatic animal in the shot of the island.
Osha is cringe
the 2 sisters are probably the most boring and bad characters in the show, and they are the protagonists...
I too hate OSHA
This is why i think the acolyte would've wokred better as a one off movie instead of an show
"Interesting" is a good descriptor of where this show is now for me. It's still not great but it's getting interested. I'm curious to see if Sol is gonna turn away from the order.
Is it just me, or does the lightsabers and whip looks bigger in one shot, then others.
I also noticed this in the last episode....
Their hands seems to only be able to grip a bit over half of the hilts for some of the persons....lol.
Qimir's helmet might not be his helmet. Not counting out she's about to be face to face with the original Sith to wear it. We know from the comics that putting on a Sith's mask is dangerous.
we've only got 8 episodes, and at least 2 of the 6 episodes have been nothing but lead ups to the next episodes...yeah this could probably be a two hour movie with virtually no loss of content.
This was a very cool and interesting episode with great subtle details and great dialogue. Haters gonna hate.
Alot of people mad it's a slow episode but you can't have face pace episode all season pacing and story building is needed
It feels like everyone has watched Generation Tech's videos and are changing their tone 😂😂
yesss the intro is back !!!
I’m actually invested in the show now. Complete turn around since EP 5
As someone who's generally liked the series and has defended it somewhat, this episode kind of pissed me off. I thought the directing was great and the story has compelling moments but then... the episode just ended. It wasn't even like a cliff hanger, it was like the episode just ended early.
The spa a way to short should be 45 to an hour and.just.fewer eps overall would help a lot I think.
Showing the light whip could just be call back she has it in high republic books. And that seem made me happy because im fan of high republic
The "fallen Jedi" hypothesis they make after discovering the bodies makes absolutely no sense. Sol is a master but he's certainly not powerful enough to take on seven armed Jedi and come on top.
Think of it like this...
Qimir did best them all and then at the end technically Sol bested him and would have killed Qimir had Osha not stopped him. So theoretically Sol was more than capable of beating a group of jedi knights especially since he has the rank of master.
I mean he’s the one that beat Qimir. He’s clearly stronger than everyone he was with
Could mean sol is more powerful than we thought...
they explicitly state in the episode that "Sol was the only one in the group who could have the power to do this", so yeah, I think he's strong enough, especially if he were to turn to the dark side with all the emotional baggage he has.
More importantly, why? Why would they automatically suspect Sol. Especially if he was the one who reached out. If he was a fallen Jedi wouldn't he just leave? Why clue the other jedi into the fact that he killed his entire team?
The whip and scar was actually show not tell in this show for once
I don’t like how it took 4+ episodes to get decent. I do start to think this may be how Yoda finds out about the rule of 2. And one of the Jedi in this episode is definitely the old master of Swole Sith over here.
5:11 could their be a connection between the shape of his scars/wounds (like a Y shape) and the shape of the fold (Y shape) of her Jedi outer rob? 5:48