Douglas Murray hits out at Mary Beard and the BBC over ‘Civilisation’ warning
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- Author Douglas Murray has hit out at Dame Mary Beard and the BBC for their warnings about Kenneth Clark’s iconic ‘Civilisation’ documentary series.
Originally broadcast in 1969, the series observes the rise of Western civilisation and drew a large audience when it first aired.
The BBC is broadcasting the series for the first time in over a decade, however, it has been given a warning note for reflecting the “standards and attitudes” of its time.
The BBC also released a video where Mary Beard critiqued the series, calling it a “European story” told by Mr Clark.
“As I pointed out in The Telegraph, such an un-insightful and such a banal accusation itself,” Mr Murry told Sky News host Rita Panahi.
“Of course, somebody from Britain or Europe is likely, first of all, to look at the world through the eyes that they have.
“I mean it would be very strange if Kenneth Clarke had done a series called Civilisation which was centred on looking at Chinese culture through the eyes of a Korean.”
It's not stupid - it's a deliberate policy to destroy all the positive contributions our country has made
you said exactly what I was thinking. Do we need any more evidence of their intentions?
It really does seem so . Only a naive fool would now think otherwise .
How else to justify its total transformation into something very different? Soon only a small minority will know or care about the English speaking civilisation our ancestors fought to preserve in the last century.
Its an old KGB psyops from the days of Lenin and Stalin to undermine a powerful enemy ie Democracy ? Ie Assymetric warefare as proposed by Sun Tzu 2500 years ago ? Douglas always is great to hear is knowledgable observations
@@Olivia-io9sb funny
Gilbert & Sullivan long ago nailed these people in the Mikado: "The idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone, all centuries but this, and every country but his own."
It’s simply an opera about fun…silliness…mocking the powerful…and the fundamental absurdity of life..
@@CatsandJP So does it contain those lines or not?
@@moodyb2 It certainly does!! And needs to be quoted more often, especially to the BBC - when they ban Kipling's Mandalay or attempt to ban (again) Rule Brittania from the Proms.
@@moodyb2You do know what…”description” means…because that is exactly what G&S describe it as.
Very true , these people must have been irritating for a long long time
The BBC is no longer fit for any purpose
never was fit. You now see it
@@summerman2it was good in the seventies when I was growing up. They’d bend over backwards to get different views on, and comedies didn’t give a shit about anything. Now all these old shows are edited or given a warning
Sign of the times. Lamentably.
Some of its investigative journalism - heard on Radio 4 - is very good. However, its treatment of Brexit and the result of the Referendum was particularly reprehensible. It has also followed political orders re every aspect of Covid, in other words lies.
time to defund the BBC, make it subscription only
I'm keen on Roman history, but I wouldn't count Mary Beard as a reliable authority. She's a historicist with an agenda trying to impose a modern viewpoint on the past, she's highly selective with facts. She distorts and misleads rather than enlightens. That's why the BBC love her.
Spot on
A racist as well...............
Not why they love her ..... why they employ her.
@@jax9349 Yes. She is a useful tool for them. But she does their ugly work with the approval of her own conscience, so she is accountable as well.
Got that feeling reading SPQR even though I knew little about Roman history. Not sure I know more now.
TRIGGER WARNING: Western Civilisation is superb and this might cause offence.
Envy/jealousy often causes "offence " .
Oh my god, that's transphobic hate speech or something.
@burting...etc, also "trigger warning, Mary Beard may resemble a withered old hag" , so brace yourselves! Harsh, I know, but fair. Just saying.
Well Said!!
@@paulmorgancollings7833and the elephant in the room is that she has made a career on Roman (ie European) history
If anything needs a 'Trigger Warning' it is the insufferably sneery Mary Beard!
Totally agree . A leftie from "Central Casting " if ever there was . She looks the part , she talks the part . She is the part .
So, no actual arguments about why she is wrong; just the ad hominem? Says much more about you than it does about her.
If anything needs a 'Trigger Warning' it is the insufferably sneery Douglas Murray!
Western civilisation has lifted so many people out of poverty around the world, did Islam, Africa or cannibals in the jungles etc do that.
Right. So much so that a man can marry a man and they teach your children that a man can fall pregnant & if you're a boy, you can be a girl if you want.... The kind of Western civilisation you are talking about has been dead for decades. Very sadly.
Its taken centuries to lift those people out of poverty. It's taken China 70 years to lift over a billion out of theirs. Now THAT is impressive.
Exceptionalism & hubris in the extreme
Thats a very narrow point-of-view.
Europe was fortunate in being spared the ravages of the Mongols in the 13th century by the death of the great Khan. The Islamic golden age was ended by the same scourge, and being honest, has never really recovered. China went from being an outward looking culture at the start of the Ming, with ships sailing as far west as Africa a century before the Portuguese entered the Indian Ocean, to an inward looking culture because of the conservative Confucian bureaucracy. It would take the best part of seven centuries to reawaken. I think it was Napoleon who called the country 'a sleeping giant' which would make the world tremble when it awoke. It wasn't some mystical European superiority which gave us the world of today so much as the rest of the old world fell into decay at a crucial point in history.
Reparations, - I got mugged by 10 black men when I was very young aged 11, does that mean every single black man and woman in the world OWE ME, for this cowardly attack,..??
No, no, collective guilt only applies to white people, collective oppression applies to blacks. Oprah Winfrey is oppressed, donchaknow.
None of em have a pot to pee in
Yes.
There were 5 black lads in my area growing up. In my year of over 100 white lads, every single one of them had been attacked by a black lad.
That 5 lads attacks so many whilst being oppressed says a lot.
My Chinese coworkers are thrilled that this is happening as they see China getting stronger. I want to say send them back to China but would be the one arrested by liberals for being racist. It’s making me sick how left wing institutions are destroying western civilisation while Chinese people cheer them on
The incredible thing is that, in my lifetime, in the eyes of the UK government, I went from being an average, law-abiding citizen to a potential extremist.
Bang on. Insanity reigns.
You & I haven't changed, the government has. It's been totally captured. Normal British values are now the threat. Governments now see their own native population as their greatest threat and will act accordingly. We're through the looking-glass.
Well done
As Thomas Stowell has said, even those countries colonised by Europeans, after independence, have generally benefitted from what was left behind.
*Sowell
Dinesh D'Souza made a similar point in one of his books, looking specifically at India, where they have a parliamentary government, good trains, and speak English, giving them a significant advantage over other countries.
He is a great scholar and deep thinker. A very wise man.
@@anonygentBoth great men.
@@anonygent - maybe, but Indians hate to be told that. They just hate it.
I do social rental maintenance work for a North London council.
It's spot the Englishman.
The lack of pride, intelligence, and entrepreneurial spirit is demoralising.
I can see how Europeans, particularly Anglosphere shaped the world.
Intelligence and originality.
I work on the railway and in some areas of it, the same can be said.
Haha - me too in the recent past. And I'd frequently get treated like a servant in the flats i went into by tenants whose English was usually pretty poor and who 1) pay hardly anything for in rent and 2) rarely seem to have 'regular' paye-type jobs.
You need to learn history and travel further than your own backyard.
@davymyboy7966 I've travelled the world mate but being on holiday isn't a reflection of a working environment. Also my job takes me all over the south of England and its the same wherever I go.
@davymyboy7966 What the hell has history got to do with someone's lived experienc? You are fumbling through an argument rather than giving a coherent rebuttal.
The Tories are about to pay dearly for their lack of stewardship of our civilisation over the past 14 years. 😜
Yes. Vote Labour. 😂
How…? By going on to much better/higher paid jobs whilst watching a bunch of communists and racial self interest groups (aka:”the Labour Party”) run the country completely into the ground..?
Hopefully not,why walk backwards
Ha ha ha. Not one of them will pay the ultimate price. It's just the other side's turn to bat.
It's a false dichotomy and everyone falls for it every time.
Politics is theatre for ugly people.
Enjoy voting all the same if it makes you feel special. 😅
They are both globalists. 😢
BBC has to appease the 2,000,000 + muslim viewers.
Appeasement should stop.
You only have to look at Beard to know why she would hate the world she lives in.
@paulgreen9618 Most likely patriarchy didn't work out for her! LOL
What's that supposed to mean?
@@Humanity101-zp4sq Try Smug, supercilious snob. 😁
@@Humanity101-zp4sqI know exactly what he means. It’s not hard to work out.
@@useruseruseruseruser790 So elucidate then, or are you chicken?
For years they have put a warning before Steptoe And Son, why!
eg Steptoe and Son 1965- 'im entitled not to like who i like, and I don't like wxgs- Albert.
Because it's funny, and that's not allowed.
I have always been taken aback by people and their dotty views, Mary Beard isn't one of them, She is Just an old Lady who spews out unintelligible nonsense at all times, Why she was put forward by the BBC as a voice that is listened to, says everything about the BBC, They have run out of intelligent Men and Women To Narrate on their behalf. Numbtys.
Agree . Useful idiots used to promote anti-western/anti British agendas .
It’s insidious propaganda ! Really worrying - akin to book burning in the 30s !
Or book banning in 2020's
It is no doubt a serious concern.
@heathclark318, which books have been banned in this decade? Please list a few.
@@mancyank564 Alexander Duskins books were just removed... That just happened.
@heathclark564, please who is Alexander Duskin or Duskins? I've looked for information on him but can't find anything.
The question is, who is pushing to minimize british / christian culture - we need names
its time to make things public - no more hiding behind the brand BBC.
I have CS Lewis, Tolkein and Douglas Murray on my bookshelves. I only need Clark's 'Civilisation' to complete the submersive set!
It's left-wing hatred.
& envy . I honestly think much of the hatred comes from envy.
@@mjones4083 True. But they are winning. And I don't want to live in Africa.
From MB’s safe, comfortable, unassailable, well-paid Cambridge position ( although I think she’s retired now)
I'd say left wing self hatred.
I'm dismissing anything from Mary Beard on even her specialty Rome. One can only imagine how much her red painted glasses affect her "thoughts" on ancient rome.
She would not have lasted a day in ancient Rome!
Surprising that the BBC didn't get David Olusoga to do his usual hatchet job on this fabulous series. He's their favourite pet usually.
Quite the exceptional liar and distortionist. BBC perfection by all accounts.
He mentions Mary Beard ‘framing’ the programme through a far left lens, basically telling the viewer what to think while watching. I saw the same in communist China. When showing Western TV shows a commentator would appear during the commercial break and tell us the ‘correct’ opinions and viewpoints to follow while watching. Both BBC and CCTV are state sponsored broadcasters whose aim is to shape public opinion, not reflect it.
Well said!
I have nothing to do that is the BBC. It and what it stands for is over, so say the common sense majority population!
Here, here!
It's not the first civilization that has done this. Other's have died out that's it. This is a sign if anything
@nandans2506 I disagree. This is an unprecedented top down manufacturing of outcomes.
Shouldn't the same trigger warning be applied to the remould of 'Civilisation' by the BBC....created by people reflecting the “standards and attitudes” of their time.
By all means criticise mistakes and failures of the past, but ignoring everything unquestionably positive is just lying to people.
Simpler, cancel your licence
If it wasn't for this country and Europe more widely the world would be a starving hell hole were life expectancy would be less than 40 years of age.
Europe first UK only in the last 300 years nothing much before that
@@rob5197 - I’ll take leading the world for 300 years any day. Prior to 1700 Europe was no more advanced than Britain and probably had more wars and strife than Britain.
Clarke's series is an absolute gem! Mary Beard is an inane dolt!
And one delicious irony is that Kenneth Clark was a Labour voter. He wanted to share beautiful things with as many people as possible
Watched this and immediately purchased Civilisation by Kenneth Clark.
Me too.
The DVD and the book?
The folio edition of the book is quite something.
Where can I buy it?
@@maggan82 - The Folio Society.
My son working in a Chinese University found Lord Clark's "Civilisation" was swallowed up whole by his students wishing to know as much as possible about European history. He hadn't heard of it but is a complete convert to Clark's erudite love of his subject. A positive, unashamed view of our civilisation's achievements. Mary is just a product of her time, her views are almost late Roman!
I watched Clarke's 'Civilisation'.A truly refreshing and absorbing look at the history of man's philosophical,spiritual and political evolution.
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England
- Shakespeare, Richard II, Act 2, Scene 1.
'The envy of less happier lands' explains a lot, doesn't quite explain the self-loathing though.
The Telegraph said years ago that the middle class left wing think that despising their own culture makes them appear intellectual.
An attitude of our time is that the BBC needs to go away.
Mary Beard, the trained classicist. I'd say pretty much all her work is Euro centric 😂😂😂
She is SO unaware
Woke-centric more like!
Mary Beard has a dislike for marcus aurelius- that says it all . She also needs to sort her teeth out .
As well as her hair and clothes, scruffy old bag!
She also has the hots for Caligula which really does say it all about that wretched woman.
And her hair-- unfortunately ..
And wear a brasier when she is presenting a program….
Marcus Aurelius is one of the great Roman emperors and his reflections on philosophy and just how to live a positive and decent life is still of great relevance today.
Go buy the original dvd now! £14.99 bargain.
I did Clarke’s book in grade 12 Western Civilization class in Canada. Excellent book and documentary series. I suspect JT - son of FC - will have banned this course. I read The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf one summer when I was 14. I became an anti communist and anti facist. I read The Wealth of Nations and Free to Choose that same summer. I read a lot of radical shit as a child and it cemented me as a heterosexual Christian Conservative who loved Western Civilization but recognized its fragility and limitations. The world today is run by people more dangerous than Nazis and Communists - Progressive Neo-Liberals!
I treat Mary Beard rather like the pub drunk, a fool, not to be taken seriously.
I’m a 65 year old British grandma and I’m a proud owner of all Douglas’ books ! 👍🇬🇧 ………arrest me ! 🤣🤣
Compared to Kenneth Clark, Mary Beard is a lightweight. The BBC's lost all its confidence.
I watched a few episodes of this series a while back and although it was a bit dated, obviously, I quite enjoyed it. Just to say, I'm completely sick and tired of all this bo * * * cks now, we're not children and can make up our own minds, surely?
We all watched it back in the day and loved it. Highly educational. Mary who?
I am so glad that Douglas Murray speaks out against the BBC. It seems he is the only sane person in the western world. I listen to him every day and pray nothing happens to him, because there are a bunch of very scary people out there.
The Goon Show, Steptoe ans Son, Tony Hancock, Alf Garnet and many more are all preceded with a trigger warning on BBC Radio 4 Extra
Don't forget Monty Python series and their films. The woke brigade would need to be hospitalised if they watched them!!!!!!😂😂😂
Since I don't pay the TV licence tax any more, I don't watch the Big Brother Channel (BBC), so I have no idea what they are up to, unless articles like this expose it. I'll have to see this 'list' and see what interests me.
Great work as always from both Rita and Douglas.
The BBC's trigger warning that the series expresses attitudes of its time should come with a second BBC trigger warning that its first trigger warning expresses attitudes of its time.
Why are you lemons still paying the tv licence fee. If you just watch netflix or youtube you don't have to pay. Cancel your tv licence today.. defund the bbc.
Agree , I "activated" by deactivating my licence payments last year . Feel so much better , dare I say "cleansed" by now not helping fund anti-British , anti-western broadcasting propaganda .
Yes, I cancelled my TV licence several years ago after my husband and I realised we just hadn't watched any TV in the previous year. We just couldn't stand the biased reporting of news, the propaganda and the lies, even in their dramas. I'm sure the BBC etc have sunk even lower than they had done in those days and we do not miss any of it for a second. To not have to watch the cursed BBC is a liberating experience and contributes to a positive mental health.
I cancelled the TV licence a couple of years ago on principle. I've had to amend my viewing habits slightly but I am just not prepared to fund the anti British and morally bankrupt BBC anymore. It frustrates me that so many people complain bitterly about the BBC, and rail against the TV licence, but aren't prepared to so much as mildly inconvenience themselves in order to change it.
I wonder which esteemed academic, in 30 years time, will be chosen to 'frame' Mary Beard's tv documentaries, and apologise for her early 21st-century prejudices?
Let's stop funding BBC. We talk about it but nothing happens. I am sick of paying for my licence fee for the money to go to an organisation that despises me.
When I was studying A Level Classics, I watched Mary Beard's debate with Boris Johnson over the ancient civilisations of Rome and Greece in which she dismissed all of Greek civilisation as racist. Needless to say, I never read anything she ever wrote despite the fact that my tutor recommended her to me as the greatest Classical scholar.
Oh, so THAT'S why she 'won' the debate!
We had to study her as well, she is the definition of a cherry picker.
Am I still allowed to read Jane Austen and the Bronte sisters masterpieces?
"The unweary, unostentatious and inglorious crusade of England against slavery may probably be regarded as among the three or four perfectly virtuous pages comprised in the history of nations" William Lecky
Mary Beard should show a little humility. I've always thought her scholarship very poor and gave up listening to her ill informed opinions long ago. I got fed up of saying 'no they didn't' . The curse of knowing a subject as well as the presenter and realising they're winging it.
Only the poorly educated on her subject are easily impressed by her. She's the pound land Kenneth Clark!
She’s the stupid persons idea of a scholar. I can’t bear her
BBC won't even repeat the classic Fawlty Towers episode, The Germans. Yet German people loved it. I wonder if they still repeat the Bigot game show from Monty Python - prize for the best thing to call people from belgium.
The non western world should thank us for almost everything......
@nielsvnedsen2028 They are thanking us. By coming to our countries and scream racism. And we are 💩ing our pants groveling.
Yes indeed Thanks for stealing our gold, art treasures and oil and for putting our people in bondage for centuries
I have a signed copy of Clake's Civilization. It is one of my most priced possessions. The Western World, and especially every subsequent Documentary Maker, owes a tremendous debt to Clake's Civilization (1969), Attenborough's Life on Earth (1979) and Sagan's Cosmos (1980). By the way, I own works by every author they mentioned, including Murray, and I am a very peaceful left wing person. Something is very very wrong with the BBC and the British Right Wing but somehow Woke Government.
The BBCs current mandate is to dumb down the populace to be an easily governed flock of sheeple.
So glad you mentioned the other series. Growing up in the States in the 1970s and 80s, I considered the BBC to be the gold standard. Sad to say, that no longer seems to be the case. BTW, I would add three more gems: Bronowski's "The Ascent of Man", "Connections" by J. Burke, and Jonathan Miller's "The Body in Question".
Mary Beard never strikes me as a serious historian . & to me "trigger warnings " mean something worth watching ie grown up, factual and informing .
Mary Beard is an ignorant person's idea of an intellectual. She's a condescending, woke snob.
Presentism. Real problem.
Mary beard .....was never my cup of tea. Very BBC insider.
Maybe they missed the part where the series isn't just called "Civilisation" - the full title is "Civilisation: A Personal View by Kenneth Clark." Ignore those other words at your peril. Carl Sagan's equally famous series isn't just called "Cosmos" but "Cosmos: A Personal Voyage." The key word with both is _"personal"_ - other people's views of civilisation, or indeed the cosmos, will vary.
A marvelous programme. First watched it as a boy in Scotland. After seeing this, I've dusted off the DVDs and will be watching it again, instead of the adulterated new version. That the once rightly respected BBC continues to sink to new lows is truly disappointing.
The queen of "smug" goes up against a worthy contender, no clear winner
It has become impossible to be patriotic, or proud of British culture, without being labelled as 'far right' or a gammon.
Mary Beard and Anne Applebaum (recommend her book GULAG written before she went woke) view history through a left lens which diminshes them IMO. Good news is, the original series is free to watch online.
No way is Anne Applebaum "woke"! She has, for example, written an extensive essay against woke cancel culture. I guess you define "woke" as opposition to national populism as embodied in Donald Trump, Jarosław Kaczyński and Victor Orban (and perhaps Vladimir Putin). She is one of many conservatives who oppose both national populism and wokism, just as many leftists have come to oppose these dangerous distortions of reality and human decency.
This is incredible
You would never guess from this discussion that I said in that 10 minute introduction how influential Civilisation had been on me, and that it was this series that in a way launched me on my intellectual career. If you have access to it, do look at what I actually said! I did point out that it was striking that Spain did not figure in the series (I also said that one should not watch these programmes only concerned with the absences, and that Clark himself had wanted to go to Spain)
I’m English 🏴 , British 🇬🇧, I despise the BBC
Coincidentally, I only recently discovered and watched Clark's 1969 series, and agree with Douglas 100% that it's a gold standard. Highly recommend.
Mary Beard on telly - where’s the off button
Or a large paper bag.
Why is Sky News Australia the total opposite to Sky UK?
What a pity BBC used to be a great Organisation
Thanks for sharing this video. 🙏🙏👍👍🏴🏴
"The idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone,
all centuries but this, and every country but his own."
(The Mikado)
if you liked ‘Civilisation’ then also check out "The Ascent of Man" 1973. Also BBC, also commissioned by David Attenborough. Personally thought 'the ascent of man' was way more interesting.
I agree. Both excellent but The Ascent of Man the better of the two.
Kenneth Clarke's wonderful series is currently available on CZcams. I've just been re-watching it over the last few days. It's a feast for the senses as well as a great learning experience. Watch the first episode "By the skin of our teeth" about the fall of great civilisations, and then look around you and wonder: how close are we in the West to Midnight now?
The definitive example of sawing your own legs off to walk tall in the new paradigm.
Who were the "advisors/experts" to the security dept.?
If one owns books on middle eastern art, Persian poetry, a King Tutankhamun coffee table book, and T. E. Lawrence and his 1926 book Seven Pillars of Wisdom, does not equal radicalization.
Owning Chinese pottery, silk, & cookbooks doesn't make you a communist.
Studying art, literature, and history of all cultures is not a gateway to scary radical anything.🤦♀️🤷🏽
Dangerous words, my friend! WE will soon be living in the society described in "Fareinheit 415" and they'll come for those books. . . . 😳
By amazing coincidence, just last week I was chatting with someone and brought up the "Civilization" series I loved to watch on PBS back in the 70's which he also loved to watch. Knowing the political rot that is going on today, I casually mentioned that I'd bet "Civilization" would never be allowed back on the air in this day and age if anyone suggested showing the reruns because it would be deemed too politically incorrect and too pro-Western civilization. Now I just came across this clip. As surely as night turns to day ...
She’s got the same outlook as the pro Palestinian mob
People need to wake up to real, large threats in the world
SO glad I refuse to pay the tv tax [over 6 years now].
Never turned the tv on in that time, not even for blu rays/dvd's/console/vhs etc.
Don't miss it and feel better for it! No ads/propaganda to watch! lol
Verification needed for the B.B.C. I have read a lot of history books and see the reality of civil evidence starting from ajudeo Christian ethic,
English self-deprecation: a virtue or a defect?
A virtue, it helps us avoid worse errors like hubris.
English self-deprecation is usually done with humour and modesty and is a great strength and virtue.... but that is not what is happening here with the BBC...the BBC is full of self- hatred of Britain and its history and has utter contempt for the ordinary British citizen. It is trying to commit cultural suicide and take their viewers with it.
@@garysmith1931 we're losing as we speak.
@@amialal4510 Relax, it's a marathon not a sprint, the Roman Empire left it's mark, even to today. Latin and Greek as Languages left their mark, English and the Internet are leaving theirs too.
@@garysmith1931 Do you really think it matters when our world is collapsing before our very eyes?
Mary Beard lost me when she compared a Roman Emperor to Donald Trump - because of his hairstyle as I remember. She's somewhat obsessed, and therefore not a reliable contributor. She sees history via a very narrow set of the values of her time...
I'd be interested to know which Roman Emperor she would compare to Biden.
@@piper081147 I don't know if they had one - the Romans would exit clueless incompetents by a side door (a necessary function of a healthy Republic that seems to have gone amiss in our Age).
I'm old enough to remember when Sir Kenneth Clark's "Civilisation" first came out. I didn't have any means of recording it (there might have been VCR's then but I didn't have one) so it became a ritual to gather in front of the TV every week to watch the next episode. This is the first I've heard of "trigger warnings" about it. That's horrible.
Thanks for the heads up. Ingratitude and rebellion are cheap fashion accessories for the terminally insecure
Douglas Murray is a voice of reason.
I stumbled upon the marvelously restored reissue of the series on CZcams. The text on which it is based was required reading for a European study tour during my second year at college. The tour included many of the sites featured in the video. In Dame Beard's defense, I rather enjoyed her videos on ancient Rome.
I absolutely love Kenneth Clarke and the Civilisation series and cherish my DVD boxset! I mentioned it to my history lecturer as a favourite of mine, and the look of horror on his face said it all. This was 20 years ago, but I think I would be thrown out of university for daring to mention it now.
Instead of pulling down Western culture why don't people celebrate their own? Or is it a question of sour grapes? As for Mary Beard, what an opportunist!
mary beard should be embarrased
Mary Beard . Whose bread I eat,his song I sing ?
I remember the series " civilisation" and thought it was fantastic. Then again I was young. As I got older I soon came to realise that some of it was born out of a British empire centric viewpoint which was the case with most history lessons we received up to the age of sixteen, in my case the 1960's to the 70's. Cecil Rhodes and Clive of India for example. The lack of appreciation of Persian science whilst totally praising Greece is certainly hackneyed. The fact that the muslim world stored Greek science and medicine ,after the collapse of the Roman empire, and therefore helped reintroduce it into the west was given no credit at all. What we have now is a more, all around, picture of history than we used to have and that should be appreciated. As for MURRAY he so often has a little englander attitude when it comes to our history
Brilliantly expressed, Douglas! I look forward to a MARY BEARD series on the Art of China; and its influence on Western Civilisation. Professor Beard is a minor TV 'academic'; who loathes and despises her own culture: except that she accepts the salaries for being a complete PRODUCT of that same Civilisation. What a trite little 'feminist'!
-attack- criticize everything. If it exist, criticize it. If it's popular, criticize it until it's dust. There is no rhyme or reason to it. Just relentless blind senseless criticism, wrapped up in impenetrable jargon and babble and disguised as "compassion" or "fight for justice".
Calm down, Douglas! It's not a big deal. I have the series on DVD and realised that it is a product of it's time. Many people might not realise this, so it helps to clarify it. I don't agree to changing the content of the video, though, but I assume the BBC hasn't changed it. It doesn't offend me, and I agree that it is very good.
Clickbait Doug is at it again. 🙄
I love Kenneth Clark's "Civilization". I also love Mary Beard's books. There's plenty of room for both.
Yeah... I can totally see Muslim countries discouraging and even berating any Tv series about the great cultural contributions of Islam - NOT!
Why are Western leftists so ashamed of the contributions of their country's?! It totally boggles the mind!
The Doctrine of Demons - it's worldwide and going to get worse...
That would be a very short program or filled with fiction.
@@anonygent Well - I agree on most accounts. There are some extremely impressive buildings but that is about the extent of Islamic contribution