Kunal Shah in conversation with Shreyas Doshi | CRED curious
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- Shreyas Doshi (formerly product lead at Stripe, Twitter, Google, Yahoo) sits down with Kunal Shah to share ideas about what makes talent world-class.
Branding himself an ‘accidental writer’, Shreyas’ journey has transitioned into consulting with companies, coaching professionals and writing about his insights on social media.
With shared curiosities about managing a product, the two delve into second order thinking, natural talent versus hard work, elevating quality, and the traits and patterns that make a good product thinker.
After all, when innate judgment is countered with metrics, product thinking becomes both an art and a science.
Chapters:
00:00 - Session opening
02:58 - An overview of Shreyas’ journey
07:40 - Saturation point of social media validation
13:50 - Four factors of success
15:33 - Shreyas’ view on what makes a great product manager
24:02 - Kunal’s view on what it takes to be world-class
29:35 - Measuring product decisions with data
35:56 - Question and answer session
36:02 - Can a project manager transition to product manager with hard work?
40:08 - Non-intuitive traits in product thinkers
47:00 - Shreyas’ experience of consulting with Indian companies
49:37 - Concrete accelerants to get better as a product leader
1:01:03 - Audience questions
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Its really nice to hear how the entire conversation was down to the basics! Keeping it simple and iterating constantly was something that could be taken away.
Dazzling everyone with simplifying complex concept - way to go Kunal. ❤
Love too see Mahendra Singh dhoni on cred curious .....
feels so good when peeps talk on the same or above the bandwidth of how you think.
Incredible conversation! Kunal Shah and Shreyas Doshi really hit the nail on the head when it comes to managing a product. Their discussion on second-order thinking, the balance between natural talent and hard work, elevating quality and the traits of a good product thinker was truly insightful. Thank you for sharing this video, it has left me with so much food for thought.
Great conversation .Loved the mindset Shreyas Doshi caries . So many lessons.
truth bombs ☺️
11:27 if it feels good it's not good for you
22:04 natural talent
26:17 alpha doesn't come from common knowledge
29:29 compunding nature of knowledge
40:10 resumes as prisons
44:15 curiosity, performance arts, strategy games, brain processing power, shamelessness
52:30 liabilities to non liabilities
53:40 embrace your learning style
55:55 love for the craft
56:36 thinking about your craft in free time
57:38 learning machines
1:01:35 want son to identify his calling by pursuing joy
1:10:11 employee having a founder mindset
1:12:19 difference between happy and happier
This is the exact video I was looking for. Very high quality discussion. Thanks a lot.
The problem is if say things what Shreyas has just spoken in PM interviews, you'll not be selected 90% of the times.
Points: you don't have to be worldclass. Being good at something would also do the job. Being great would put you in the top 5%. So hardwork & passion works 👍
Also don't chase for happier if you are happy
This is must for product managers
Wow, that's truly an astonishing and captivating conversation! I'm deeply moved and it has sparked new thoughts and questions. Especially about the power of things that are beyond explanation. Kudos to the entire team at Cred!
I loved the analogy of RRR with A/B testing.. Kunal was in super form !
Loved it! Keep them coming.
Unfortunately I haven't got a chance to be around skillful people, There is no regret, I am watching this super episodes from #Cred curious. Thanks Kunal !!
Hey!! You guys are doing great work. Can a college student someone like me attend CRED curious podcast live ? If yes, what's the process of registering it??
what products Shreyas launched during his career ? not questioning, trying to find out. anyone has any idea ?
- as always kunal sir you are awesome, i know you don't read comments but admiring you, I do for myself that if something good do's in India, then it feel's my reasponsibilty to prasie them, don't know why but I do
- and 2nd thing i would like to see Vala Afsar on one of these chairs
- just curious to know him
Pushing the algorithm ❤️
There’s a little bit of power flex/ struggle that I notice in this conversation. The body language of both is set up to show how I’m the more powerful one on the stage..
😂
1:09:00 I can relate so much. I am used to thinking the same way.
Hey Kunal can you talk more about instinct navigation? The topic that you mentioned in traits section, like how does one convince that you have this gravelling instinct and it should be executed upon, or best yet how to sell yourself as a person who has a great instinct, because 1. How can you prove that? 2. Why should someone take that risk with you ( lets say as an employee or as a job interviewer )
Reminded me of the book "BLINK" by Malcolm Gladwell
That was a really average conversation tbh. The analogy of measuring a product KPI vs measuring how you are as a partner has so many logical fallacies. You SHOULD measure everything in the product world where the data is ‘available’ , the decision can be data informed or data driven, but it always has to be coupled with domain knowledge and intuition. Data guides your decisions, doesn’t override it.
47:10
You find more people in india who are yes-men, they need instructions to work. I saw many threads on reddit where people when asked to comment about indian employees, many complained about the same thing. They do whatever the boss says diligently without questioning even if there was a mistake. They continue doing the things without taking the initiative and correcting the mistake.
Hence I think we need more people who manage employees hence more product managers.
Am I the only one who felt there is just too much awkwardness in the whole Convo? I like the way Kunal asks, seeing Shreyas coming up with a counter and his slow approach of answering questions nobody asked is bit of weird.
What we have to do, to be a part of this interview
This is Pure Gold 🪙
Dear editors. Your intro / outro music volume is much more than the main audio. users on earphones or headphones tune up the volume to max for vocals and the loud music all of a sudden just hurts.
InCREDulous
Always insightful ❤️✌️
Anyone who made any notes of key points please share it!
Where this is happening?? I want to attend
I want to attend these, in person, very badly @cred !!
I literally live 200m away from CRED office in Indiranagar 😐
Paras chopra is in audience, bring him next time for a talk
How can we attend this session ?
Is it just me or everyone can exactly relates to sheryash about the thoughts he exactly has....I mean thats how I feel and trying to make it as the most lazy ass guy to make it in life with day trading because I need money to hire good people
How to attend these events?
57:04 (pre-context)
57:37 Truth bomb about work-life balance
Kunal please start a manufacturing company that manufactures say solar cells , with a value creation of 1 billion dollars instead of companies with a valuation of 1 billion dollars. Then I'm gonna respect you
He doesn't need your respect.
Firstly do something then advice
@@Anishk21 not doing anything is still better than burning VC money, on a worthless company that was bought for leesser than sold.
@@vaishakh3 XD
@@vaishakh3 cope xD
to the person who is editing, please adjust the volume of music and the individual's music to the same level. i got an ear pain when entering and exiting the video
Dude, how do I attend these sessions in person?!
how to attend cred curious?
It always learning episode. kunal shah you are great brings us knowledge thanks all you doo for usss
IMO, Second order thinking comes well to those who care a lot about consequences.
@shreyas Doshi, at one point you mentioned that one should contentiously look out for the craft, and should be working on that if they want to achieve it and on the other hand you said the hardwork isn't going to help you. Can you shed some more light, how is it possible? I mean a person can't work on his craft without hardwork. My definition of hardwork is to put in more efforts than the usual one.
Akshat Shrivastava ji nazar nahi aa rahe comment section me.
Gold Stuff
This is to update to all people using cred, to stop using the same app. Its a scam. It talks about been a credit card payment portal. We had an instance where we paid credit card amount through cred and it didn’t get credited to the credit card and the money is lost. Cred is not taking any responsibility for it and it was a big cc bill which cred just ate up.
Kunal brother 👑
Kunal Shah should come to shark tank( at least in third season) he will prove to be more interesting than doglapan
I don't agree with the luck or natural gift or working hard as factors to be a great PM - i believe its level of awareness, the kind of people you're exposed to and the level of involvement in what you do.
Interesting takeways:
- think about your self differentiator when you climb higher in ur career
- Convert your liabilities to non liabilities
- Identify your learning style - be it reading or applying in real life
- Look answers for yourself and not for others
Am curious on the healthy PM ratio - possible to get insights on how different 1:3 PMs vs 1:8 PMs? + and - side of each ratio? why this difference exists in the 1st place?
Who is he?
Sir please make a video in Hindi 🙏
What is pm…..?
so what was meant to say, if its born talent should i stop trying new things that iam interested in but maybe they dont align with my intelligence ?
Aren't those chairs wierd?
They are..
Same like the CRED app. Visually stunning, practically foolish & gimmicky.
@@vigneshmoorthy6047 Kunal Shah seemed pretty comfortable in that. Eg 1:07:02
@@vigneshmoorthy6047 i think you are not his target customer.
kunal your videos right now might have low viewership but gradually people are going to have a shift in a decade ..when social media would be an outdated concept
...right now its new hence no one is realising how bad it is for our lives...
Kunal Lord 🛐
Why??
He is an excellent Entrepreneur
That's it
That is the thing ye bhadwe bhagwan bana lete hai, bhai cred ko profitable hone de fir bana lena bhagwan xd
@@Md_sadiq_Md 100% Agreed
@@kyachannelhey5895 bcoz he gave us so many insights about how the world works
What it takes to be there listening live
Anybody have an update
@@hariprasadd4523 they always share the form on linked in for external audiences just follow on linked in or have a few folks from CRED in your linkedin network easy
"Grit"
Video no.81
16:06 is he paras chopra?
What stupid conversation, if Shreyas has so great natural talent, he might as well start a company and build the next Facebook!
can we please wear shoes?
please bring Anand Gandhi back
Shreya is often in the apple pie position
10:00 This fucking thing happens to me daily on WhatsApp... Such a suckeed up human being I fuckin am... Though I hate this irrational madness deep down I still can't avoid it
Ye talk thodi high level wali thi…….. anyone else also felt same ?
- no, it all basic
- the world around you look like complex but it actually simple
- you should work for the sake of joy, becomes curioser and curiosser day by day whatever you are doing........
- life your life by exploring every opportunity you have to explore,.just simple
By high level I meant it was deep.
Can anyone from you help me please I'm stuck at a minor problem in my life
Actually I'm feeling bored and unproductive at my 1st year of college, I don't have any interest in college, or studies so feeling kind of depressed from few months (DU,Bcom)
Only fore CRED users
Which world cup is he talking about?
may be foodball
32:30
Why is he so angry? 😂 Classic dad material for Russell Peters - 53:45 😊
Shreyas is cringy and so difficult to listen to. Kunal is brilliant as usual :)
In microwave measurements are relative and that's why we use S parameters 😂
Kunal sir I request you to go to Sandeep Maheshwari Show. We will get a lot of learnings from your the conversation
Kunal Bhai baniyo ka naam mat Dubao profit pe dhyaan de do
Amazon became Amazon because they measure everything and take data based decisions across the entire organisation, not sure what these blokes are talking about 😅
Extremely boring. One of the worst CRED curious.
Kunal chappal pahenta hai
Totally useless conversations and Kunal generally doesn't take negative feedback, so happy get blocked here. But its useless for any startup founder. going by whims is not a scientific way to build products.
There's no scientific way in start-up from 0 to 1 phase once you have fingering out product market fit. Then u have get scientific way to how to scale build system and process and scale 1 to 10 and 10 to 100. 0 to 1 is art.
@@sompurashvetayogesh8947 I don't think it is unscientific. 0 to 1 can/must be taken scientifically by creating experiments and checking hypotheses to help in building better product to the choosen market. It is based on customer needs sometimes apparent & sometimes not. Surely shooting in the dark is unscientific.
If some founder , say nithin speaks against raising VC money , Kunal comes to defend it, coz he's self obsessed, instead of respecting the views of the other person
True
Super boring speaker
2x is your friend
Call mc stan to your podcast bro