Why we need public transport?
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- In this video, we talk about why a comfortable, liveable city is impossible without high-quality public transportation - in terms of economics, ecology, and also geometry. And also about what Le Corbusier has to do with it.
#cityforall #publictransport #urbanism #cars
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
00:20 - How and why public transport appeared?
02:09 - Le Corbusier vs. trams
03:46 - Why public transport is important?
06:33 - Conclusions
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Like even if you have zero care about the environment, public transportation should be a no brainer
As it is a traffic accelerator
Until you tax people to build it 😂
@@cmdrls212wait until you hear about roads
I think the lack of brain is an issue for many. A lot of people are unaware of how ANY of this works, and see public transportation as a poor people service since if you're smart and rich, you have a car. Now, is this a dumb way to look at it? Yes, however, it exists, and among the rich idiots is a popular thought. I feel we are taught to dislike public transport.
You also need to convince those in power that helping the poor is a good thing. This has also had severe backlash; after all, we are a "Christian" nation that helps and... Oh, wait, nvm...
@@cmdrls212 I think people's opinions and understanding of taxes, by and large, is a massive problem. Taxes as they are, if used as designed, are a great way to keep society being great. However, when you have a bunch of clowns that s*** the d*** of the 1% and literally give all benefits to them while hosing everyone else, you start to gain a bit of a dislike towards taxes, and fuck, I cannot even blame them. We pay taxes, so these clowns can take private flights around the US. So, they can drink at parties with the rich while they make plans to put further walls and chains around us. Essentially so, they can do ANYTHING except help the people they were supposed to support as that's where they voted you in (supposedly). Why would anyone want to invest in this? A larger issue? WE SEE IT, CALL THEM OUT, NOTHING HAPPENS. Nothing. They don't stop; in fact, it only shows we are further, as the American populace, unwilling to do anything about open corruption. Hence, we are at where we are at.
Look at CA Dems on that, they have idiot leadership that instead invest in a broken-ass murderous police department than any social programs that could ACTUALLY help the fcking city and its people.
FL takes taxes and protects the rich as well. Look at the sugar companies that have wreaked havoc and continue to wreak havoc on the water there.
It comes down to leadership, how they use it, and how the public reacts to it.
I think by and large people need to get far more interested in this stuff, where the money goes, why it goes there, and for f*** sakes, get off you're a** and do something when you see direct corruption. Don't let that s*** slide, or we just get mass corruption since they know no one will do anything about it.
TLDR: Taxes are good by nature, its the idiots we put in charge and our general educational perception of them (Which is often mistaught)
Public Transport can also increase social mobility/reduce inequality as not everyone can afford a car. If no public transport is provided, those that can't drive likely won't find employment, locking them in poverty or relying on state benefits, which is obviously not good for them, the government or the tax payer.
So true.
To emphasize, affording a car doesn't mean not having the money to buy the car itself. It means having the money to afford the divers licence, the insurances, the taxes, the fuel, parking costs etc...
There are so many dumbasses who think that it's just all about the car itself...
If no public transport is provided, _only the ultra-rich get the benefits._ Lack of public transport leads to _more wealth concentration._
@@commuterjack The ultra-rich and big corporations _do not want_ solutions that benefit everyone, only themselves. They are absolute selfish hogs.
And it's not only the money: A lot of people can't drive a car for whatever reason. In Europe it's considered _normal_ for children to have independent mobility by walking, biking and public transit. In the US they instead rely on the "soccer mom", which either bans the mother from working or the children from participating in society.
As a retired person who really just digs "wandering about without an actual plan", I like the alternatives that CHEAP public transit provides. If I'm out and about, I spend money and participate with the economy (which society actually does like me to do). If I'm just doing my daily exercise around the house, I mostly just eat at home, do my daily walk around the neighborhood and engage minimally with the economy of my home region (which hurts that economy). I'm not going to keep that little used book store in business but without CHEAP public transit, I won't even go there.
Some neighborhoods are literally banning or discouraging public transport because it will give poor people easier means to get around
I'm from Metro Manila and we have a lack of public transport that results to traffic which some residents in the region have to drive instead. However, we're expanding Metro Manila's transport system with new transits and more.
As a resident of Grenoble I was shocked to hear how costly the trams are considering how affordable the subscription is... You can have a yearly subscription for 15€ if you're working-class
Cause we can't solve climate change in time without public transit, while still keeping our society technological and modern, and cause there are far too many traffic accidents involving cars, the highways are too loud, and people save so much money by not having to own a car.
I am working class, but I earn four times the minimum wage. €15 is the cost of my daily commute by public transport. That is no comparison to what you’re writing, a factor 200 more for me. I live in the wrong country.
You forgot one of the main arguments: Trains are cool
Oh, really!
And on public transit you can relax and read a book or the newspaper. Put on headphones or earbuds, close your eyes and listen to music. Arrive calm and relaxed.
Yes, of course. But this is provided that there are free seats and the transport is not overcrowded.
Came here to watch and enjoy the beautiful cities clips, alos gathered some valuable knowledge. Thanks a lot
I'm only supporting public transit because its a driving force for densification and thus better places to live. I don't even use it lol my motorcycle bypasses traffic anyway
We already have tiny homes. Less density and more space
Cars are like those annoying mosquitos that keep killing many of your neighbors in deadly crashes every year
If only getting my neighbors was that easy. Nah bro. 😂
Such a bad take 🤣
Public transport is needed so bad! Salt Lake City has a decent public transit system but it needs to be better! There is a project called the Rio Grande Plan which will transform Salt Lake City and its transportation network opening up the possibility of state wide regional rail. Look it up if you have time its just getting off the ground and getting a lot of attention from local elected officials.
This is despite the fact that, compared to many other cities in the United States, public transportation in Salt Lake City is quite developed.
I have read about the Rio Grande plan, which is a very interesting idea. Is it already being implemented?
By the way, I have a video about the Salt Lake City tram on my channel, you can watch it if you haven't seen it yet.
@@cityforall I have seen the tram video and thought it was also good.
The plan isnt exactly being implemented but it is gaining popularity. It was a citizen proposal so it has an uphill battle to gain traction here in the state. That being said there are a lot of people working to get it to the state government and the governor even expressed support for it. Also the mayor put money into a cost and impact analysis.
It’s certainly nice to have, but the big question that always comes up is “where is the money” ? I don’t think taxes are used efficiently in the US to provide transit services and unionization rules need to change to be on par with Asia if we are targeting transit efficiency.
Agreed. I plan to make specific video about financing of public transport later.
@@cityforall Great ! I think Financing and mismanagement are the 2 biggest problems facing transit in the US. Fiscal cliffs, significant cost overruns, and Corruption have really hurt BART and VTA’s image, but without them traffic would be much worse.
I had to bike several kilometers today because the tram drivers were on strike. Public transport is great when it works, but when not it's the worst. We won't have reliable public transport until we have automated all trains, trams and busses.
Of course, such moments are very disappointing, I understand you very well.
But at least you had an alternative in the form of a bicycle. I hope you had a safe trip.
Public transport isn't good because it means timetables, fixed routes, waiting for it to arrive, waiting to transfer etc. Even the trains in London and Tokyou isn't 24 hours. Car is instant departure outside your home
What's wrong with timetables? Of course, if the bus runs once an hour, like somewhere in the US, then this is complete bullshit and I will not defend it. But if we're talking about a subway every 2-3 minutes or a modern tram every 3-5 minutes, then this will satisfy a significant number of people.
As for fixed routes, of course, they will not suit absolutely everyone, but they are laid out based on studies of passenger traffic exactly where there is demand for them.
As for night routes, unfortunately, I have not been to Tokyo and London, but in many cities I have seen night public transport routes.
Anyway, the good news is that no one is forcing anyone to ride the tram. If someone really needs to go by car, they can do so.
Thanks. How do you retrofit cities so they are not car dependent? Australian cities/large towns, because of their age have never had an "old town" but rather sprawled and have adopted the US car and road bigger roads. Any former attempts at trams were by and large torn up. Even cities now trying to expand tram and metro networks are playing catch-up and there is no desire to create walkable neighbourhoods. Please make a video on newer european cities redesigning themselves.
You don't fix them. Europe would have the same problem if it wasn't so old. Europe also has horrible traffic in cities but these types of channels never cover it. London, and Paris are among the top 5 worse congested cities on earth 😊
@@cmdrls212 Both London and Paris have good metro systems, both are very easy of navigate by foot and both cities are actively reducing the number of cars that need to enter the city limits. Both cities have interconnected walkable neighbourhood with plenty of green space and building heights that are more people friendly.
@@aussiebloke51 they still rank top 5 in worse world wide traffic. So it seems none of what you mention actually does much. 😉
@cmdrls212 Both cities have good public transport. London and Paris are only "congested" if a person insists on driving a car.
@@aussiebloke51so again, they solved nothing even with the so called good systems. Got it. That shows other cities not to go bankrupt making such huge investments that will not solve traffic at all. For if London and Paris, which you admit are so far ahead most cities in transit are still a traffic nightmare, basically transit will never solve the problem for cities that are way, way behind. 👍
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Any good skyscraper cities threads for publi Transit nerds?😅
Hello, can I use your video material for my video in Uzbek language? I want to translate this video into Uzbek language. We have very little content like this.
Yes, of course. I would be very grateful for the mention of my channel.
@@cityforallof course thank you
Excellent video as always.
Thanks!
5:32 and just then a lorry went by my window :D
At 4:23 your numbers say: twice that long - not two times longer
Isn't it the same?
Twice /more/ is 1x + 2x = 3x
Is it not?
Another at 6:13 :
'Three times lower' is not what you mean. Your numbers suggest roughly
'A third'
Though I never heard your expression I would translate it to
1 original - 3 original = -2 original
@@la-go-xy To be honest, this is the first time I've heard of this.
In my communication sphere, I'm used to both "two times longer" and "twice as long" conveying the same meaning: something is twice its original length.
Yes, many people do that, in German too. However, to me it is inaccute handling of math, so why not be precise and avoid the language trap? Especially if you support a case with those numbers (Thank you for that, btw)
6:56 It’s in Strasbourg too! In a neighborhood under construction
extremely clear and useful video
Thanks!
It doesn't reduce traffic, but Public transit does increase mobility and connects towns and cities. Without it, you can still have walkable towns and cities, they just won't connect to anything. This is the case with many Island and Arctic communities, very walkable but often times they have no transit to connect them to the rest of the world
In other words, when a railroad connection appears between cities A and B in addition to the highway, do other people start using trains, not just some of those who used to drive?
@@cityforall it does take some cars off the road, but more cars from further out or from neighboring towns and cities will fill that newly opened capacity on the roads. Transit at best can put a cap on how bad traffic can get, but it still isn't consistent. You can see videos of places in Indonesia or Vietnam or Thailand where good transit does exist next to congested roadways.
@@linuxman7777 Do you mean that if the city residents switch to the tram, their place on the road will be taken by people who have come by car from other cities?
That's an interesting point of view. Although I don't think that these newcomers were waiting for a free spot on the road and didn't come earlier. In general, what you are talking about is a matter of a comprehensive approach. If the traffic in the city is created by cars from other cities, then this should be solved by interceptor parking lots on the outskirts, connected to the center by public transport, combined with parking restrictions in the center/encouraging the use of public transport. I once used such a system myself, for example, in Strasbourg - there is a multi-level parking lot on the outskirts and the parking receipt simultaneously worked as a group day ticket for the tram, which stopped right next to it. As for me, it's very convenient. You can arrive with a whole company, park the car, and take the tram downtown.
As for Vietnam or Thailand, I'm not ready to say that right away; we need to understand why the situation is like that. Maybe public transportation there has insufficient capacity, maybe the routes are not laid out in the right places, maybe the fare is too high for residents, or maybe all of the above. But this is purely my guess.
@@cityforall my point is that there are much better ways to reduce traffic than building more public transportation that cost practically nothing. Such as putting stores and jobs closer to where people live, eliminating dead ends and Cul-de-sacs to distribute traffic better, Ripping out stoplights and putting in Roundabouts and 4 way stop signs, eliminating street parking and require people to have parking on their own land.
Strong Towns and CNU has discussed this in a few of their articles. If you portray public transit as a way to reduce traffic and it fails at it, which it often does. It takes away public support for it. Also when you portray transit in terms of traffic reduction you are trying to appeal to people who aren't going to use it. You are trying to persuade people who want others off the road but would never use the system themselves.
Another trap you are falling into is thinking of Traffic as a flow, and capacity problem when it really is a distribution and demand problem, what is interesting is that in dense cities that have well connected street networks once you are in the grid there is little traffic because it is distributed well, drivers have many choices to get around, it is on the roads into the city where traffic often forms. Sometimes it can't be helped due to geographic choke points, but for other cities making it easier to get off the highway and harder to get on helps reduce traffic, in traffic prone areas add more exits and remove on ramps.
Even in you ned public transit good luck try to make a working without them in cities skyline
The best example is Amsterdam.Since a view years ago cars could drive in any street they wanted.Now there are a lot of streets where they are forbidden to drive,so the people took the bike to transport itself through the streets.If you look at the traffic now it is surprisingly a lot less than say 10 years ago!It is also not the whole day busy,just when everybody are traveling to work or to home.
what i miss is the efect of a third space public transport has to, the mixture of all people living in that or this area... this increases the serenity and tolerance of the users of other people, something you do not learn in a 2 t Metal Box with wheels... also i miss the effect of getting early on as kid independent from parents timetable... As Born and raised in Munich, it was totally normal for me to take as kid the Tram to center to buy my books, to go by Bus to school swimming and as temporarily our middle school was closed for renovation, to go by subway to the new school...
Today it's the first thing i look at a city, how works the public transport, then i consider living there or get a job there...
This is also very important, but I think it will only work if the transportation is of high quality and not too crowded. Although it may depend on the country. I wonder what it's like in the Japanese subway during rush hour?
@@cityforall i cannt say anything of japanese subway, other than i want to visit Japan in the future...
What i can say that a public transport as i enjoy to have here, outside of Zürich/Switzerland is the bst thing a society can have to get people together...
i share my bus to the local train with all kind of people and even schoolars, depending on daytime.. i see my neighbour more often in the Bus than on everywhere else. he owns a house worth what i would never ever reach through labour and still we can sit in the bus together and do smalltalk... i would not want to change with him for all the money, the house, maybe, but i like to be independent, so i rent, when my job brings me somewhere else i move... but always and first i look at the connection via public transport... and i think iam not the only one here in switzerland who enjoy the public service her, i mean for what do i pay taxes???
@@SirHeinzbond I didn't understand your question about taxes at the end. It sounds like you're outraged, but the rest of the text makes it sound like everything is fine.
@@cityforall i am looking to the USA and think, what are american getting for tax money, looking at the congress, the senate, your infrastructure, healthcare, schools, all the stuff a government is elected to provide and seems to be falling in so many ways. and then i look at Switzerland and hell, yes i hate every tax cent i pay, but i get much more in return, Roads, Trains, Buses, Schools, Healthcare... all that stuff i want a government to provide and say okay it hurts to pay but you get more out of it...
Try to explain it to people, who continue telling myths about public transit and "there's no time for public transportation, all money only for front line", but buying extra non-efficient high-cost prices
I think it would be the best explanation to everyone telling that "no time for developing public transport, it's only for poor people, normal successful people have cars, in cars we feel more comfortable, even at traffic jams. But wait, what?
Imagine feeling being late, but in comfort. What the fuck? Trying to cover being late thinking about comfort? Preffering conditional temporary comfort before punctuality? Who wants to think about comfort if you stuck and getting late even if you got up earlier
It would be useful especially for Ukrainians in Ukraine, fighting and defending from russian aggression and in the same time preparing to join US
EU*, sorry
"Tram vs line of car" looks nice, but in fact that would be "Tram in traffic jam surrounded by cars without any priority". And in this context commuting by car is just WAY more comfortable and faster
Tram of course must have priority. There is nothing to do without it
And the tram has to have dedicated lanes for most of the parts. Only in narrow city centres, it's logical that they share the road, but at the same time, there the cars have to be limited.
@@pettyleinexactly. The tram needs to have priority to equal out the "last mile problem" and to discourage the described problem. Even if this would cause traffic jams in the short term, it should equal out by shifting demand.
U mean 19 and 20th centuary
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What are you talking about?
5:10 Most likely you mean kilowatt hours, as you're comparing total energy used during a day.
Not that the specific unit mattered, as long as the unit of measurement is the same in this comparison.
You are right. I've also noticed that mistake, but too late...
I'm only supporting public transport because I hate driving
Damn
@@qjtvaddictwell it is a reason nonetheless
Public transport means waiting waiting looking at timetables
Same here. I hate going to the gas station and pumping gas into my car.
Living in a city will make you neurotic, paranoid, and lonely.
Depends on the city I guess, they are different.
And don't forget the crime, homeless, and drugs. There is also tons of pollution from vehicles, construction dust, toxic vapors, and micro plastics.
You forgot to mention that cars are soo much more expensive!
In principle, if people can afford them and have an alternative, it is a matter of their choice.
But if people are poor and cannot afford a car, and the only way to get around the city is by car, then this is indeed a very sick situation.
2:00 Today it's more than 70 million passengers per year, when we compare to the population at the time we feel that we need to make more effort , this is why the municipality of the city and the metropolis plans to ban several "classes" of vehicles, 5 these are the most polluting and 0 electric cars, this year it was class 4 vehicles which have been banned and plan until 2028 to ban vehicles up to class 2
As always, comparing apples to oranges. The tram will be cheaper if it only moves full seats. Unfortunately outside of rush hour it keeps running moving only empty seats and thus multiplying the costs and emissions to a point similar to only driving cars. I am all for transit but please account for the costs of roundthe clock transit, not just one passenger at a time.
Firstly, a tram is an electric vehicle, and if we use renewable energy sources for its movement, the issue of emissions will not arise at all.
As for the price and occupancy, I fully agree that at different times the occupancy of public transport will be different. But it is still globally beneficial for the city, as it allows to significantly reduce the number of cars on the streets. This generally makes the city healthier.
In general, the issue of financing is a separate big topic that should be discussed in more detail.
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If you make fitting timetables and lines, the trams can still be an overall plus. You could use smaller buses at night etc. Estimation of demand and an overall concept help good/appropriate service.
That’s what automated metro is for
These numbers already include the typical usage. A common diesel bus beats a decent sized single-occupant car after just ~7 passengers - and this ratio gets far better, when you compare an electric bus with a giant pickup… Trams obviously need a few more passengers, but that's exactly where they are used, because you build them, where busses are to small.
public transportation system was used in the ancient India .We get this information from vedas
The LA trams were financially insolvent and in terrible disrepair. They were private lines built by developers to create sprawl and not maintained once the development finished. Cities took them over but could not afford them over buses. That's why they were thrown down. They were simply a way to get people to buy on the new developments. That's why LA sprawled so much. It was the trams.
You should look into sound transit. Promised to reduce congestion and buses over I5 when it levied a decade of taxes on motorists for a light rail, and it has recently announced the system was so badly planned it expects no room on trains during morning peak hours to the point it has to roll back the bus cuts. traffic along the light rail is not expected to change whatsoever. 😂
Another example of transit induced demand failing to make a dent on car congestion.
I need to stand while moving. I hate to sit for a long trip because it's unhealthy.
Trams can create a traffic jam of their own it happens so often in my city.
Which city?
How?
This is why elevated/underground metro are superior. Trams are just buses on tracks. Heck Japan wiped out their trams and only one was built in nearly 75 years they replaced most of them with elevated/underground regional rail with metro frequencies. It was a global trend not a US specific one the others were replaced with buses but rarely in Japan
@@cityforall Basel
Are you sure, it creates a traffic jam, or are you comparing the "one tram" to 10 cars, which would have to wait? Because again: The tram may have 300 passengers, so why shouldn't it have the same priority as 300 cars?
Next episode Soviet microdistrict vs USA suburban
At approx $8 Million /km first roads, that cars destroy, roads are trash
Trains and Trams are a thing of the past. Le Corbusier definitely knew what he was talking about when he predicted the future.
And what is the future then?
@@cityforallwell
trains and trams obviously
Very true- who doesn't want to live in a world of concrete?
Good question! We don’t
What's your arguments?
@@cityforallit was revealed to me in a dream
@@cityforall We don't just need public transportation. We ABSOLUTELY need public transportation!
@@cityforall it was revealed to me in a dream
@@gumbyshrimp2606yep yep magical thinking being used to justify hyperindividualized transport infrastructure, that tracks
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