The Parker Quink Washable Blue Controversy
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- I finally address the controversy that has torn viewers of this channel apart. We'll find out if my Parker Quink Washable Blue is what it claims to be.
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I grew up assuming that “washable blue” meant that my mother wouldn’t blow a fuse if a few drops got in the pocket of a white shirt!
Good point! I'm hoping to run an experiment on that soon.
Yes, this is exactly the purpose of the washable ink. Even the "permanent" blue can be mostly dissolved in water, but can still leave some stains on clothes. The washable should not.
@@michalsiroky I'm glad to hear that. When I get a little free time, I want to experiment with this. I have some old clothing I feel free to ruin if necessary.
Maybe not "that" washable! LOL
I suspect the pemanent blue is not erasable by an ink eraser whereas the washable is (as ist says on the box), so mostly relevant for school children in europe where those are still widely used. The permanent is also a bit more saturated in my expirience, which is probably more visible with less ink on the paper.
True.
I still think the paper would have made a big difference too though. Tomoe river is very non-absorbant.
Maby it also refers to how dangerous it is to get it on your clothes.
Now you made me want to try an eraser on some quink lol or other inks.
This is correct - “permanent” means an ink eradicator won’t erase it.
@@_iErik Eradicator sounds like a super-villan :P
This is interesting. I've heard a few different definitions of "permanent" and, as I tried searching it on the Internet, couldn't find a definitive answer. Definitely a topic to explore further!
I have both inks and my Lamy ink eraser scrubs both with ease. The blue black by Parker loses some of its shades in comparison but still leaves readable text so I would use that if wanting a permanent Parker ink that isn’t black.
I thought "Permanent" meant fade-resistant, not waterproof. Put your swatches in the sun for a month.
That is a good point. So I researched the topic. I was not able to find a definitive answer. And many sources seemed to use the terms interchangeably. On the other hand, many inks would have fit both categories. Now I'm not sure what to say, so I'll have to research it further.
Permanent could also mean "dont get it on your clothes!"
:)
I also thought "Washable" meant able to be washed off of those school uniforms it would've been spilled onto back in the day it was first formulated. But then, who knows how many times it's been reformulated since?
@@WaskiSquirrel Washable blue fades with time on paper with a substantial acid content. It should fade less on acid-free paper. Permanent blue should not fade on paper even with substantial acid content. But it is not made to the same iso standards as other permanent inks (like montblanc iso cert inks) as I understand it.
For not the first time, I am wrong. Just watched a Goulet video where he clearly means waterproof when he says permanent. And he's another good source for info on ink terminology, I think.
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I'm a bit late to the conversation and I'm not sure if Chemical Ink Eraser are common anywhere outside of germany, but back in school I learned washable means it's erasable with an ink eraser and permanent means whats written stays written. After a quick look on amazon I'd say Ink Erasers are pretty much unknown in the States, the only ones I found had bad reviews because they would't work, what's probably caused because they didn't use washable ink with them.
I bought a chemical ink eraser. You are right: they are rare in the US. I'll be addressing it in an upcoming video. So far I've destroyed a t-shirt for that video!
Great video! Your curiosity and engagement is really contagious. Furthermore I too always wondered about the true meaning of permanence regarding Parker inks, During travel abroad many years ago, I had a pen leaking its content of Parker Blue (not ”washable”) in the pocket of my precious red jeans shirt (made in USA). Immediate and repeated immersion in clean cold water removed it completely, to my relief and joy, and only the mystery remained permanent, as it was.
I'm learning a lot about ink terminology as a result of this video. Not much to say now except that more research is needed, and a full video is probably needed as well.
I'm glad you were able to save your shirt. I have a few shirts that bear a permanent record of fountain pen ink.
@@WaskiSquirrel Permanent record :D
This video was a treat for me. Parker Quink is my choice of ink. I think that the bottle itself has a something special to it. I was recently gifted with Tomoe River paper. And when ordering my Conklin Duragraph, a few days ago, I asked if there was a specific ink that performed the best, with the pen. I was told that any ink would work equally well.
I haven't used blue ink in years. It seemed to fade away so bad. I was told that my Dollar General copy paper had too much acid. So, I switched to black Quink.
This was a fun one. And my tea this morning is Assam.
Have a great day.
Quink Black is also a good ink. And ink is quite different on Tomoe River paper vs. other papers.
Well, that was fun. As you research what "permanent" means, please also cover "waterproof," "water resistant," and "archival." These terms often get confused. I also look forward to your review of that Pilot Elite or E95s. It is one of my favorite pens. 😏
And I think Noodler's has some "bulletproof" inks, if you really want to follow this trail wherever it leads. 🤔
I agree! One thing that this video made clear to me is that these terms are not as clear to me or to my viewers as I thought. I'll need some research time, but it's coming!
This is the first test I have seen dealing with ink and water. I have done dozens of tests for ballpoint pen inks, and to my disappointment only a three passed and only one was extraordinarily exceptional. Those three consisted of the UNI Jetstream SXR-600 0.5 & 0.7 ink refills (both excellent), and surprisingly, the one extraordinary ink was from the Zebra F-402 pen, which under any and all circumstances did not even smudge, fade, nor any even fractional change in the ink during multiple water, lysol, etc tests. Thanks for your review, and it is more important than people think, especially for important documents.
I am surprised about your ballpoint results. I always understood that ballpoint pens used an oil based paste to hold their ink.
And I'm glad to hear my video was helpful! Of course, I hope no one would use an ink with "washable" in its name for anything important...
blue shirt and blue tea while discussing blue quink in depth. LOL :)
I thought i had permanent quink but it turns out it was washable all along. So now i also have two bottles of washable blue. Whoops.
It was fun going on this quink journey with you lol.
Now, show us some of the red quink :)))
There may be a new controversy: does permanent refer to water or to light resistance? And congratulations on your twins!
And now we know! But I was most intrigued by the tea, so thanks for telling us what it was.
I came for the quink :)
I like coffee too though :P errrrrrr tea too.
I figured I should mention that since I had shown it. It would have bothered me a lot if I were a viewer and never learned what it was!
I wonder if Jason could send a sample to Kerrie of Pens and Tea for a fun blue review with a little distraction from her cat, Parker.
Thanks , Jason. I have both inks and have never tried them side by side , yeah they look the same,gosh. I perfer blue/black really out of the parker line up although i have Red and green thanks to pauol at ODE , i love the green but sadly you cant find a bottle except for silly money.
Stay safe & best wishes
Their blue/black is very nice, and I like the slightly teal color to it.
@@WaskiSquirrel Yeah its nice but then I DO love blue/black for some reason , i could just write with them all the time :-)
How does the blue tea write? Thanks for a fun review, Jason.
:D
I haven't tried writing with the tea, but it does leave blue remains in the bottom of the mug!
The only permanent "Parker" ink I could ever find new is Parker Permanent "Blue Black" and I despise that color, but I have seen older bottles on EBay of Parker blue labeled permanent....Thanks for making the video "Interesting info here" .....
I think the label "permanent" is more historical than contemporary. I remember when their permanent black was labeled such, but I noticed my bottle no longer has that label. And a lot of retailers still use that label.
I've learned a lot and gained a lot to research thanks to this video and the comments it received. Thank you!
Whew! So glad the controversy was about ink!!! Too much controversy of late...
Love you went Blue! That blue is a good color on you. The blue tea intrigues me.
Fun Video, thanks for shedding some light (or water) on the subject.
I thought this was a good clickbait title for this week!
Aloha Jason! Thanks for doing the comparison and getting to the truth! I was quite surprised of the relatively little (if any?) difference between the two inks. After I commented a month or so ago, I put the WB in a Noodlers Ahab, which is one of my wettest pen (so much so that it even drips!) and the blue color was much darker than my previous uses of that ink with other pens, so that convinced me that what you have could be WB. I also do own the "standard, plain" blue (not sure if it's marked permanent or even marketed as such?) and in the next few days will ink up the same pen with both inks to see if I see any difference! Did you say that the non-washable blue is not sold in the US? FYI, I bought all 4 bottles of Parker Quink from Endless Pens just within the last few months. They had all 4 (including black and blue/black) in boxes and only 2 or 3 in the blister pack, for what that's worth (retail in the US?) Thank again and keep up the great content. Mahalo from Kauai, Hawaii. Thomas
Interesting! I have never seen it at any other retailer in the US. And, to be fair, the bottle was sold as "Permanent Blue" but is not actually labeled as such.
I always thought Parker Quink Permanent Blue was darker, a bit like a Royal Blue. Obviously I was wrong. I have to admit all three looked pretty much the same to me. There are a great many 'variables' when filming ink reviews, as you know. The lighting in your room, how the video camera 'sees' a colour and, of course, the slight differences in monitor screen resolution used by all of your viewers. It was an interesting test and I didn't expect the results you displayed. Even Parker got the colour wrong on the box!
Yes, I also expected more difference. Certainly there are a lot of variables in ink reviews, one of the reasons I don't usually do them. But, with all these under the same conditions, I expected more difference to show up.
I also have a hell of a job working out which Quink is which. I have several bottles and I do like them, but the black is often closer to a dark blue/black; the blue/black looks a lot like a washed out straight Quink blue; and the straight blue looks like a slightly more saturated blue/black. I use them because they are cheap, no-nonsense and pretty safe in any pen that I own with no visible staining. I also found the permanence to be subjective. I've taken many of mine out of their boxes so, yeah, that.
You're right that they are cheap and safe. It does seem that Parker has abandoned the "Permanent" label on their inks. Definitely more vintage style colors...
I'm very much looking forward to hearing and seeing the different Parker inks!!! Maybe will convinced me to get one :)
Parker makes good, if unexciting inks.
One of the best inks ever! It turns almost any nib into a Butterly smooth one!
It took me a while to appreciate it, but it is a good one!
That was good for a laugh. Anyone f'd off about what kind of ink you use to demo a pen for review really needs to get a life and some fresh air once in a while. There are more important things to focus on and your ink isn't even in my top 10,000. I did watch the video and got a nice belly laugh thinking of all the shut in's crapping themselves over your choice of inks. That's the best one I've seen in a while bro!
I'm glad you enjoyed! And it was interesting to me to learn the difference between regular blue and washable blue.
But it's amazing what people get upset about!
Nice! Now we know! I have a here a bottle of vintage Parker Washable Blue I bought NOS in a store here in Lisbon... I guess I'll send you a sample of that one (maybe in a month from now, when the new lockdown is over...) for you to compare. I didn't try it yet, so I cannot provide opinion based on that ink. But I remember I too used to hate to write with the Quink Washable Blue because it looked too faded on paper and it always ended up really fading on paper.
I looked at an old video from VittaR on the Washable Blue, and in her video it has that faded look. I wonder if Parker quietly changed the formulation?
@@WaskiSquirrel I think it is possible. They did it with their Green, as we saw before.
I was recently reminded of how much paper can make a difference to ink performance. I bought a Hobonichi Techno agenda, which is 'FP friendly.' Sure enough, the paper doesn't bleed or feather, but it also won't dry, so I have to use a blotter sheet whenever I make an entry, or the entry will be mirrored on other side when I close the agenda.
Inks really need to come with Fastness (UV/fade resistance), and Water-resistance ratings.
Paper is a vital component! Paper that is too fountain pen friendly means that the ink just doesn't dry, though some inks are worse than others.
I wish there was more standardization of nomenclature with fountain pen inks.
Funny, all these years I thought I purchased washable blue, but no, it is the permanent blue. Still looks nice!!
I need to finish my video comparing them. They're surprisingly similar.
That is the strongest "Hello!" I have come across. Godspeed.
Thanks! I had to emphasize how seriously I was taking the controversy!
Hey there. Interesting to see this as I have bottles and cartridges of both these blue inks.
My experience is that when both brand new the washable is slightly more diluted. Leave a pen filled with washable blue for a week or two and after a bit of evaporation it writes the same as the ‘permanent’ blue. Washable blue does seem to fade a little more with time if used when it’s writing paler but you’d expect that.
Both are easily erased with the usual ink eradicator type pen unlike Parker Blue/Black
My view has been that you simply get a little less pigment/dye for your money in the washable blue ink. I have a recollection of reading somewhere that the washable blue was designed to be easier to wash out of white school shirts.
It does look slightly lighter, but not nearly as much so as my memory says or even as other reviewers say. I do recall the fading. I remember seeing it in some of my early writing from when I first got a fountain pen. I've been hearing the same thing about shirts. Thank you!
Interesting to see how different the inks would be on an old white shirt. Leave it overnight and wash it the next day on a half hour cycle. Then see the difference. Clearly there’s a colour difference between washable and permanent but is that it. I prefer the darker permanent. I think the clothing test would be more definitive.
I splashed some ink on a t-shirt and washed it. I need to take the time to make the video.
In case of Parker Washable Blue it has nothing to do with it's permanency on paper, it simply means you can wash it off your clothes. And has always meant it. Period. No controversy at all. Just see vintage commercials.
The controversy was over whether my ink was really Washable Blue or just regular Blue. A lot of viewers told me it was too dark to be Washable Blue, even though that's what the box said.
Would be interesting to see it on fabric and allow to dry for a week or 2 then run it through the washing machine and see how they wash with normal laundry soap.
That's a great suggestion...and I've already some of the preparation. The shirt has already been through the laundry. I'll be filming this video during the December holidays...
Upon researching, the "permanent" isn't necessary "archival", apparently what a member on FPN said was permanent quink inks have metal composites in them that sticks into the paper making letter recovery possible via professional means.
Washable means it's just washable without the metal composites in them.
Here's the link towards the information :
www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/279801-why-quink-permanent-blue-has-permanent-in-its-name/
Thank you! I've done some research, but had not run into this thread. Very interesting!
If you got the box it is easy to see which ink it is, you can se the reference number on top of the barcode. Washable is ref # 1950377 and permanent is ref # 1950376. I like the Parker Quink inks especially the blue-black, I like the color and price is great
This is true, but I no longer had the box for my own bottle: it just got too worn out.
The Tomoe paper is very non-absorbent. Clairefontaine or Rhodia would have probably given shorter drying times and are also very fountain pen friendly. It might affect the water resistance, too.
Thanks for doing these comparisons. In the US the Washable Blue is most available. I just ordered some (Permanent) Blue from amazon as I wanted some water resistant ink for addressing envelopes to mail. Looks like it's not, but I like the deeper blue and sheen. Maybe ink "erasers" don't eradicate it? Mine hasn't arrived yet.
I'm planning to do a deeper dive into blue inks, and to talk about the washable vs. regular blue. I already have a t-shirt covered with ink stains...
Margaret Thatcher used to use a Parker Duofold fountain pen back in the 1980s when other world leaders like Helmut Kohl of Germany and Mikhail Gorbachev of the USSR signed their international peace treaties with Montblanc Meisterstücks. The tradition was at the time to swap pens, so that Gorbachev supposedly went home with Kohl's highly expensive Mont Blanc fountain pen, and vice versa.
PS I remember Quink washable blue from school. Really washy, watery stuff, as I remember. I don't remember Parker inks being as true blue as they seem in your video. The permanent was too grey and the washable too washy for my taste. In the 1990s Parker released a more upscale ink collection with much stronger, better colours in a posh bottle, nothing like the Quink bottle. I can't remember what the black was called, but it was darker and better than Quink black. The blue, green and red were called Sapphire, Emerald and Ruby. Really intense colours and dark, so you could use them every day for all purposes. I was a big fan of the "Emerald" green. It was like a true leaf green mixed with black, gorgeous stuff. They discontinued these special inks at the end of the 90s and I was really disappointed.
This was all in the UK, by the way. I don't know if these special inks were ever released in the United States. Which would be weird, because I heard Parker was an American company...✒️🤪🖊️🖋️🐹🐹‼️
I love that Margaret Thatcher used a Parker Duofold!
But the most interesting thing in your post was that Mr. Gorbachev used a Montblanc Meisterstück. Of course, I've tried Soviet pens of the era, so I can see why. But still interesting!
The Parker ink you are thinking of was Penman ink. I loved the Emerald version. Once upon a time I had a bottle each of the Emerald and the Onyx. I was disappointed when they were discontinued too!
Greetings from Australia.
Yes I have mentioned a few times about your use of Washable Blue. It is the predictable element in these types of videos.
Although sometimes I wish you would use another ink, but I can see the sense in you using WB. It is a safe ink that can be washed out easily especially when compared to perhaps a Noodlers ink which may be more difficult.
Just a thought. What do you think of some sort of petition to persuade Parker to reinstate Parker Quink Green ink? I know you like this ink.
I do use other inks, but I decided to make this the ink for First Impressions. And you're right that it is an easy one to clean out.
I don't know if a petition would do any good, but I'd be happy to see Parker Quink Green brought back!
Wow, _very_ odd, seeing how near-identical they are! I naively thought the difference is supposed to be in water-resistance.
A local pen-store's website does describe the "blue" as "permanent" and the "washable blue" as "washable." Well, the translation of this term "washable" is the same as in "washing machine." So that's interesting. Unless it's a translation quirk. So it could be resistance to chemicals? Fountain pens are still somewhat common in local schools and we have bleach-based erasers. They look like white markers that smell funny. Perhaps this "permanent" blue ink is more resistant against erasing?
As I said, very odd. Very interesting.
I'm planning an further video to address this. The feeling I get is that Washable Blue comes out with the washing machine and with special ink eraser pens.So I just need time to film that...
Both the Parker blue inks are erasable with the Centropen eradicator. I have tried.
@@michalsiroky Good to know about the Centropen eradicator. I have a Pelikan eradicator, and look forward to trying it.
@@WaskiSquirrel I think they all work based on the same chemical reaction so your eradicator should also work on both inks.
I have a question (sorry for being annoying and commenting all your videos but I really enjoy them!), I'm interested in getting the Parker Quink Washable Blue as I love blue inks and the shade looks really beautiful. However, I've been hearing things about inks fading overtime and that you should use permanent ink if you want your writing to last for years. This bothers me because 1. I only own vintage pens except a Montblanc and permanent inks are said to be unsafe for those.
2. I already own the Pelikan Königsblau, Waterman Serenity Blue and some Diamine blues. Will all of those fade over time even if they're in a close notebook in a drawer? Sorry if this is long but it's been stressing me out.
I don't worry about fading if the ink is kept in a closed notebook. Color may change a little, but that's it. And it sounds like you have some good blue inks. I'll confess I'm less familiar with the Waterman, but it is generally well regarded.
This is so interesting!!! I saw a review by VittaR and her Parker Quink Washable Blue looked VERY light and washed out compared with yours and compared with others I've seen. I'm thinking she got it from cartridges. I wonder if the age of the ink and the length of time on the paper ... may be responsible for the variations.
I like the water test that Brian at The Pen Thing told me about where you actually give the writing sample a "bath" I think I will try that with the 3 Parker Quink blue inks I have just for fun before my #30inks30days recap for the last 5 days of Parker inks. :)
LOL ink reviews do take forever.
I recently used the Washable Blue in a Parker Vector. It was a lot more pale in that pen. Maybe the pale washed out color is due to the specific pen?
I've read that there are "permanent" versions of Parker Quink inks called "Super Quink", however I haven't seen any modern Parker ink box/bottle with such a name ("Super Quink") written on it so far, but just "Quink".
How to differentiate the "Super Quink" (permanent ink) bottles from the standard "Quink" (non-permanent ink) ones?
Or is it the same ink that some people call it "Super Quink" when in fact it is just "Quink"?
Maybe they refer it to as "Super Quink" when there's no legend "washable" written on the box/bottle (black, blue-black) and as "Quink" when there's the legend "washable" written on the box/bottle (blue)?
It's just so confusing!
In researching this video I learned a lot about Parker Quink. They used to have a lot more inks, including permanent inks and various colors. So, if you buy anything with a name other than "Quink" it is probably and older ink bottle.
@@WaskiSquirrel
Yes, I'm aware of that. Some old Parker inks do have the legend "Super Quink" written on the box and that clearly means they are permanent (highly pigmented?)
However I'm referring here to modern (current) Parker inks. Some people say some of them are "Super Quink", when nothing other than "Quink" is written on the boxes.
I think it was me who asked about the tea. I have just put it in my Amazon basket.
I hope you enjoy. It has a mild flavor, and the color change when a little lemon is added is kind of fun!
@@WaskiSquirrel Yes I saw a video of someone putting lemon in it, reminded me of chemistry class when I was a kid.
'I am drinking a tea that's blue' hahaha that made me laugh hard
I'm glad to hear that! 👍
Nice review. Hope next time we will see you , your face won’t be blue😄
I hope so too!
What does the number on the middle of the bottom means?
That was quite a question! I've found two possible answers, neither of which I trust completely. The one I trust is that it's a batch number, as in which batch of ink bottles it was. It might be a year, but I found very little confirmation of that.
This will be a question I'll keep researching.
@@WaskiSquirrel If you find more information, please let me know.
I bought my first Parker ink bottle in a local bookstore, and the bottle has that old calligraphic style p logo on cap. Mine has the number 03 on bottom and i was wondering if that's the year of production or a code for the ink color. I think i have a washable blue, but it didn't had a box, so i am not sure if it's washable blue or blue.
The washable looks too washed out for me- it has to be the permanent everyday ink for me. Something that pops and bounces out at you on the page.
I don't think Parker inks really fall under this description: they're pretty traditional inks.
@@WaskiSquirrel It’s something that bothers me about Lamy inks. Too pale, subdued. I prefer rich, full bodied inks- not loud or glitzy. Twsbi or Monteverde Core inks . I have used Parker as my default ink since I first used an Osmoroid fountain pen. I think they also made us use Swan ink in junior school. I’m not sure if those little dome shaped bottles are still available. Have you heard of Bil ink from India 🇮🇳?
@@MrAndrew1953 Do you mean Bril ink? I've heard of it but never tried it. As for Lamy: I like some colors, but not most of them. As you say, they're too washed out.
@@WaskiSquirrel Affirmative Bril ink. Maybe the company could send you a few samples for a video?
you will see the difference when you use the blue ink corrector Lamy or another corrector.
I got some Pelikan ink correctors. I'm slowly working on a video about washable blue inks!
How much does a glass pen like that cost?
I've seen them for between 15-30 dollars, US.
@@WaskiSquirrel I’m from Europe and did a little search. I was expecting them to be much more expensive. But found out you can pick up one of these for @ $26 (119 Lei). They come with a stand, a nice little cup and a few bottles of different colored ink. I’m gonna pick one up!😁 Thank you
Hahahaha this is so funny. What is the difference Parker? I hope you feel confirmed in your beliefs. May this controversy be put to rest. 😂
I feel better. I'm planning a video soon on the real differences between the two inks. I just have to sacrifice a shirt...
Unless you make notes and/or write with them at the same time, how’s it the same experience? 🤷♀️ I just miss seeing different inks.
Some people like to compare from one week to the next. I agree: more colors are more fun. I do that when I do reviews or revisits. I need to film a few of those again!
Washable means it washes easy out of your clothes (and of your hands.
I use it in difficult pens, with success,
I'm planning soon to sacrifice a shirt and demonstrate this for a video!
Nice video but i know the pen you shown in writing sample that may be pilot elite fountain pen or platinum pocket pen hopefully its pilot . Nice video
Oops...I may have shown too much!!!!
@@WaskiSquirrel no prob pilot is the company or rather most of japanease fountain pen company is very reliable and make perfect pen pilot elite is one of that lovely pen have a nice day
Blue is my least favorite color, I have diamond shaped bottle of Parker washable blue, that's how much, I don't use it. But as Blue ink goes, I think it's the truest blue.
I've gotten softer on blue since I started using it on the channel!
Very good sir
Thanks and welcome!
Anyone just contact Parker and ask them??
What would be the fun in that?
That's a lousy permanent blue, if you ask me... Thanks for the comparison!
I've heard a few comments on this video on that topic. I'll talk a little about that on Friday. Darned English language!
Krishna inks are not *WHATEVER* !
I was inarticulate. What I meant was I'd put any ink into the pens, and it included the samples of Krishna.
You are a patient man, Jason...Thanks for doing this. One less thing to worry about. Now, if we can just make it through the next seven days without the loon in the White House declaring any wars or pressing the big red button on the single-line phone on his desk, my month will be complete, Hope you avoided those 75-m.p.h. gusts. Cheers.
Agreed on it all! And, the wind was either to my side or to my back on the way home. I waited for it to die down. Right now, though, it's pretty wild outside. I'm glad I'm indoors. Thinking about taking my cellphone to bed as a backup alarm clock in case the power goes out.