Mach3 MPG Wiring and Full Config
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- čas přidán 23. 02. 2023
- MPG (Handwheel) wiring and configuration needed in Mach3 , I have Red 4 axis mach3 board and standard handwheel.
Mach3 Red handwheel 10 socket port:
+5v | o o | GND
X | o o | Y
ACH o o | BCH
Z | o o | A
X100 | o o | X10
Standard MPG with ESTOP Wire Colors:
(Red - Green/black) -- 5v
(Black - White/Black - Orange/Black) -- GND
(Yellow) -- X
(Yellow/Black) -- Y
(Green) -- A CH (Encoder)
(White) -- B Ch (Encoder)
(Brown) -- Z
(Brown/Black) -- A
(Orange) -- X100
(Gray/Black) -- X10
(Blue & Blue/Black) -- IN1 & DCM in BOB
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2- Config -- ports & pins -- Input signal:
OEM Trig#1 port -- 3 , pin -- 5
OEM Trig#2 port -- 3 , pin -- 6
OEM Trig#3 port -- 3 , pin -- 7
OEM Trig#4 port -- 3 , pin -- 8
OEM Trig#5 port -- 3 , pin -- 9
OEM Trig#6 port -- 3 , pin -- 10
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3- Config -- ports & pins -- Encoder/MPG's:
Encoder1 -- Enabled
MPG#1 -- Enabled
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4- Config -- System hotkeys:
Trigger 1 -- oem code 185 To select X axis
Trigger 2 -- oem code 186 To select y axis
Trigger 3 -- oem code 187 To select z axis
Trigger 4 -- oem code 188 To select a axis
Trigger 5 -- oem code 192 To select x10 jog step
Trigger 6 -- oem code 193 To select x100 jog step
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5- Config -- General Config... -- Jog Increments in cycle Mode:
Position1 -- 1
Position1 -- 10
Position1 -- 100
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6- Program Run Alt1 -- Tab key -- Jog Mode MPG
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Notes:
0- Just use 5v pulse generator (encoder) , higher than this will damage your BOB.
1- Plugin control -- RnRMoton "MPG disable" must not selected
2- Check Encoder in Setting Alt6 -- MPG Diagnstic -- MPG1 ,by rotating encoder you can see count and velocity ; just by settings in step 3, you can check encoder test
3- In Program Run Alt1 -- Tab key -- Jog Mode MPG, you can see selected axis and jog step
4- to select axis and jog step you must push side key
5- Default jog step is 1 for encoder without pressing side key , pressing side key equal to selected jog step
6- To calibrate your MPG: Function Cfg's -- Calibration of MPG's
7- Do not forget to save any changes in Config -- save settings..
Very helpful my MPG is working took me too long because i didn't read your notes until i was ready to give up my MPG was disabled in the RnRMoton Addon. that little bit of information saved me thank you,
Glad to hear that ❤
I've been looking for a video like this for a long time.very nice video and explanation.thank you for that.thank you for the time you spent.
Glad it was helpful!
This video helped me a lot, thank you!
So glad to hear that
HI This video helped me a lot TOO, thank you! I APPRECIATED
Hi
Glad to hear it
Hi!
And could you make a video of how the CNC machine behaves under the control of the MPG?
I made an MPG in the same way and set it up like you.
On the Mach3 screen, everything works decently.
But the machine works successfully only with jog step x1.
When switching to x10 and even more so to x100, the machine becomes crazy: it moves at high speed, skips steps, etc.
Settings Mach3 (MPG calibration) does not give any results.
It also makes no difference what parameters are set in General Config (Jog Increments in Circle Mode).
Thank you!
Super helpful thank a English version will be most welcome
So Glad to hear that ♥️
thank you
You're welcome
Awsome
Thanks ❤️❤️
Hi, to get X1 speed do you leave x10 and x100 high, or pull both to 0v (low), the manual is confusing it states, X10 and X100 are selectors for resolution multiplication of steps move per encoder pulse, connected both is X1 by default
Hi
As I see in the manual , when you do not choose x10 or x100 and put in x1 state , by default it goes to x1 movement strate.
@@manifa59 👍
Olá, parabéns pelo vídeo, foi a melhor ajuda que consegui. Como chama esse tipo de conector que você usou?
Hi
glad to hear it.
Connector name: IDC 10 pin connector
www.amazon.com/Aexit-10-draads-IDC-connector-moederbord-lintkabel/dp/B07B7FWYRM
Excelent!
It’s possible to change for only 3 axis and 3 steps choices? 1x, 10x and 100x?
Thanks
Yes , you can use 3 axes and 3 steps
for example instead of "A" axis , connect "1x" wire and config it in Mach3 as well
and change 188 OEM code to 191 and test it
@@manifa59 thank you a lot!!!!!
Your video is the unic in the internet about this subject!
Glad to hear it
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@@manifa59 Hello Mani Fa. After everithing set due to your help, I´m having a issue with the MPG movement. I tried to tune many times, but all the real moves fails. With out motors the moves works very well. The movement without MPG iare very smoths.Any sugestion? nice week end!
@@jrmichel Hi ,
To troubleshoot do step by step
first just connect the MPG encoder and check its settings.
then add one axis to check movement.
try to use the encoder to move the axis without pushing the side button and see its feedback
If you see any problems in movement, adjust motor tuning in settings and lower your velocity and check again.
(Also do the MPG colibration that shows at the end of the video)
Try to upload a video which shows your settings and problem that you have faced for better understanding your situation.
Hello. I am using the same bob and MPG. I did what you did, all connections, config etc. Everything is working except encoder. When i open Rnr motion card plugin window, i can see the MPG A and MPG B ticks. While i am rotating encoder they are blinking but Mach 3 is not counting at Settings (Alt-6) window so i can not move my axis. Can you help me please ?
Hello
If MPG A and MPG B ticks and while rotating they must change, for the test I use a rotary encoder module (for arduino) and it works somehow ok
1. The encoder must be 5v
2. If all settings are ok , check with another BOB
let me know the result
Hi!
Thank you very much again!
I tested your suggested Mach3 configuration method with my simple MPG and it worked!
I will make a video about DIY making of MPG on my channel.
Can I include a link to your video in it?
Hi
Glad to hear it.
Yes , sure
The video was very helpful
I followed the settings, but each axis and speed change is reflected in mach3.
But the off switch doesn't work.
Even in the video, it is off, but the x-axis appears to be selected.
How should I solve this?
Hi
off switch? you mean the side key?
In some models the side key works as an on and off switch and some others use like my model. even after releasing the side key , the previous axis must be selected.
@@manifa59 My mpg is for the model without the side key.
What I'm talking about is a rotary switch that selects the X, Y, and Z axes.
Even if you leave this switch in the off position, the x-axis is still selected.
I asked because I wasn't sure if I should use it in this state or if I had done something wrong with the settings.
Hey, can you help me? I want to use the inputs for something else instead for a handweel. I wanna use the inputs for the endstops and e-Stop. I unse port 3 and pin 5-13 but nothing works 🙈
Hi
They can be use just for general inputs as a key or push button, so you can use them for for e-stop or run, pause , stop and so on , but not for endstops
next video will be about these compabilities about adding more 8 push button.
@@manifa59 Nice to hear that! i let an Abo there so i dont miss that !
Again very usefull video, well explained, and for the motors themselve if you can give me the settings of X Y Z A and B port an d pin, that is an issue for me,thanks
in Mach3 Red board:
Config , ports and pins , motor outputs:
just check "enabled" for any axis that you want to be enable. step pin and dir pin for all axis (X,Y,Z,A) can be set to 0.
Config , ports and pins , input signals:
For inputs : all ports are 3 and pin number is from 1 to 4
Config , ports and pins , output signals:
For outputs (output#1 , output#2 , output#3 and output#4): all ports are 3 and pin number is from 1 to 4
these are just a quick way to set them up, However I'm recording a video for this board based on 2 comments asking for help.
@@manifa59 thanks for all, i will give a try!
Hi, forgot to ask, do you think it can be use with any version of mach 3 , i have the 3.043.066
@@gordonbournival152 yes , there is no problem with your Mach3 version
@@manifa59 ok then, i let you know
If the blue and black go to IN1 and DCM, does that mean I can’t use 24v on that side of the board for IN and OUT?
Hi
Blue and Blue/Black used for emergency stops and you can connect them to IN1 UpTo 4 , one lead goes to DCM and another lead goes to Input
I didn't understand what you mean exactly
I thought the inputs and outputs on that board get wired to a 24v supply
@@johnalex3023 Aha I get it now.
for these 8 pins they are not.
they work with 5V instead of 24V and GND instead of DCM.
remember, IN1-4 and OUT1-4 are opto isolated , therefore they can use 24v to operate.
If I wire that estop that way, can I still use 24v on the other I/O?
@@johnalex3023 Yes , for sure
estop did not connect to those 8 pins and it is a separate key.
for I/O 1-4 you can use 24v like before
Hello.Thanks for your video. I set up my hand wheel according your video. I have one problem. X1 Its ok ( calibraton of MPG was Done). When I switch to X10 or X100, my motors doesn't go fluently.When I look at unit/mm there Is too hide numbers...nobody Is able to help.
As I know if your velocity and acceleration is so high , your motor movement does not work well, change these values , and you can use other values for x10 and x100 too
@@manifa59but when I drive on my keyboard, motors go well (also when I use Shift - full Speed). IT is something like software don't akcept highest value of motors speeds.
...for specifycation i have handwheel without side button
@@petrkriza3654 So let me check it
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Bravo, maestro!
I and many other users have been unable to set up MPG for this board.
(Axes control does not switch)
Please specify the version of the plugin that your setup works with.
A lot depends on the version of the plugin. For example, heightmap does not work with version 3.5. And with version 3.4, PWM does not work :(
Thank you!
Ok , let me upload my board plugin and see version of my mach3.
I test standard MPG for 3 boards and all works well
RnRMotion.dll file download:
drive.google.com/file/d/1MP2sYZ91PUQWU0tUXL7es5HeQoBf_dgm/view?usp=sharing
Mach3 software version: Version R3.043.066
for any problem you can upload an image of your configuration and wiring , I will try my best to solve it together.
my Telegram ID: @mani_fa
@@manifa59 Thanks a lot for your responsiveness!
I will test the downloaded plugin as soon as possible.
But the size looks like it's a version 3.4
Where did you get the MPG settings information from?
I have not seen this in any manual.
Have you studied this controller in depth? :)
I tried to extract full functionality from it, but never succeeded.
Even conducted a comparative analysis of control signals
(if interested, I can tell you more)
@@AlexMoonXXI My friend had a MPG handwheel with no success of installation for a month, He sent it for me to test , After one or two times failure, I solve the problem.
I couldn't find any good manuals , just the wiring color of MPG , also no good configuration for Mach3 , just a very brief configuration in CZcams.
I knew a bit about Mach3 and with some curiosity I did it. As I know there is a lack of installation manual for MPG so I record a movie to anyone.
cause of one or two failures : wiring mistakes and bad configuration in Mach3.
I can also make my own MPG with encoder and buttons as well , the wiring and everything is the same.
@@manifa59 Sorry for the intrusiveness, but you have a high competence in CNC controllers.
Is it possible to apply such an MPG for Grbl controllers?
By the way, do you know that the controller from your video has a STM32 chip and can be re-flashed for Grbl-HAL?
please share circuit scematic of handwheel mpg, please open the box of handwheel mpg sir
Hi
I do not have it now
but a schematic of wiring can be found here:
cncyadak.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Handwheel-MPG-CNC-MACH3-Siemens-GSK-4.jpg
for any problem comment here
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I followed you but it didn't work. Can you help me?
Hi
where is your problem exactly?
@mani_fa (my telegram ID)
@@manifa59 Can I contact you via email? Because my telegram is not working
HELLO GOOD MORNING I'M FROM BRAZI MY NAME IS VALDINEI I HAVE A DOUBT ABOUT WHAT YOU SHOWN IN YOUR VIDEO IN MY CASE WHEN I PUT ON X100 IT GETS VERY FAST I GET TO LOSE A STEP I CANNOT DOWN IF I TURN THE CRANK SLOWLY IT WORKS BUT IF IT TURNS QUICKLY IT DOESN'T WORK COOL
Hi
x100 goes so fast , this is fast based on config -> motor tuning and highest velocity that you defined there , try to decrease the value and test again
mostly losing steps means incorrect and higher velocity that you defined.
one more thing , you can change the value of x100 to lower value in config - general config - jog increments
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