What is the relationship of time to death? | J. Krishnamurti

Sdílet
Vložit
  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2024

Komentáře • 92

  • @KFoundation
    @KFoundation  Před 5 lety +110

    TRANSCRIPT:
    What is the relationship of time to death? You understand. One has lived ten years, fifty years, or eighty years or a hundred years - a life that has been painful, anxious and all the rest of it, an empty life, a wasted life, and that life comes to an end, both biologically and psychologically. I’m going to go into all this. And one clings to the known and avoids the unknown - the known suffering, the known pain, the known pleasure, the known fears - one clings to all that which you call ‘living’. And one is frightened to let go all that which you have to do when death comes. So there’s the interval between the living and the dying, the process of time. Then, what is it that dies? Biologically we have lived so unintelligently; because biologically, physically the body has its own intelligence. I don’t know if you know anything about all this, if you have worked at it. It has its own intelligence, if you don’t spoil it through taste, through gluttony, through smoke, drink, drugs and all the rest of the business that one goes through. If you don’t go through that, that is, through taste, habit, custom, tradition, then the body has its own intelligence. That body, organically dies, the organ dies. We know that. But also we say there is something which is me, which must continue, because after all I’ve collected so much experience - I want to finish that book before I die. I must be successful, give me another few more years, and so on and so on. So what is it that is ‘me’ - that says, I don’t want to die, I must have some kind of continuity. You understand? This is our craving right through life. From the ancient days, from the Egyptians down to the present day, and before the Egyptians - the ancient Egyptians, not the modern Egypt - this has been the problem. A continuity and an ending, the desire, the immense drive to continue. My pleasure, I want it fulfilled tomorrow. When you say ‘there is no tomorrow’ it becomes a tremendous despair. You understand?
    So, there is death. So we have to investigate together not accepting authority, because I am not your authority or your guru. To me gurus are dangerous in spiritual life. You have to find out for yourself what is it that is ‘me’, how it came into being, why it has taken such tremendous importance in our life, and why is it that it’s so frightened of death. The ‘me’ has come through words, through experience, through knowledge - the ‘me’, which is the form, the name, all the bundle of memories, knowledge, experience, the past pleasures, pain - all that consciousness with its content is ‘me’. Right? Please see it for yourself. You say that’s not only ‘me’ - that’s only mainly memory, therefore it is a material process - but there is a ‘me’ which is spiritual. The Hindus and others maintain and probably some of you maintain that there is some thing spiritual in ‘me’. ‘Me’ is the essence of that spirit. When you say the ‘me’ is the essence of that spirit, covered over by all kinds of darkness, like an onion with many, many layers, that essence of the highest is ‘me’ - that is still part of thinking. Right? When you feel that the essence is ‘me’ that’s part of your process of thought. Somebody has put it into your mind or you have invented it yourself. I wonder if you are following all this? You may not believe it but thought has created this. But thought is a material process, because thought is knowledge, experience stored up as memory in the brain and that response to that memory is thinking. We went through all that the other day; we won’t go into it. So thought is a material process Though thought can say, ‘There is spirit in me’, but it is a material process. When you say, ‘I have faith in god’, it is a material process. The faith in god, god being your projection of what you think is the most beautiful, omnipotent, all the rest of it, it is still a process of thought. So, there is nothing - please bear with me, go into it very deeply - there is nothing but the movement of thought which has created the ‘me’, or the essence of the spirit. It is still thought, so it is still a material process.
    So, one clings to the known and one is frightened of the unknown, which is death. Right? Do you understand this? So, time is the living, a long interval, and death. We said time is a movement, movement of thought as measure, so many lives, so many years - which is all measurement. Now, can that time stop? Which means the living and the dying close together. You understand? This takes so much explanation, all this. That is, death means the ending of that which has continued. Right? See how important it is that that which continues becomes mechanical. Right? And therefore there is nothing new; thought may invent something new, like the jet, it’s something new, or the Einstein theories - I won’t go into all that. So, thought can invent something new but we are not talking about that invention; we are talking about: thought can invent something beyond death - but it’s still the movement of thought. So we are saying death means the ending of a continuity, which is time. That which continues means time - tradition, in your faith, in your beliefs, in your gods, is the movement of time.
    So we are saying, to die to the things known now. You understand my question? To die to your attachments, now, which is going to take place when you die. You understand? Ah, this is really very serious, because when we die, what takes place? The organism with its brain dies, comes to an end, the brain deteriorates. The brain which contained memory in its cells, as experience and knowledge, that brain withers away. So there is ending of thought. And, can there be an ending of thought while living? You understand my question? Which is dying now, not fifty years later - which doesn’t mean you commit suicide, don’t jump over the bridge. Which means dying to your pleasure. Of course you will die to your pain, that’s very easy, that’s what one want to do, but one wants to cling to the pleasure, to the picture that you have created about pleasure and the pursuit of it. That, when the brain decays is going to end. You understand what I am talking? So, to die instantly to attachment, to jealousy to fear - die. That’s one problem. Therefore when there is such death there is then non-continuity which means the ending of time, therefore a totally different dimension of consciousness. I haven’t time to go into all that. Totally different kind of consciousness, which is not the consciousness with all its content which is ‘me’, but a totally different kind, a dimension.
    Now, I don’t die now. One doesn’t die because one says, ‘I must have a little more time, please - give me a little more time - I want to enjoy my life. I’ve got a new car, a new wife, a new pleasure, a new job, please don’t let me die immediately’. So what happens to that man or woman - please this is important for you to understand all this - what happens to that man or woman who says, ‘I’m satisfied with things as they are; I’ve got my property, I’ve got a good wife, a husband, money in the bank, and to hell with everything else!’ What happens to that man when he dies? You understand my question? There are two types of beings in the world; the one who dies to everything known - the known is the structure of thought put together as the ‘me’ - the attachments, the fears, the loneliness, the despair and therefore out of despair, hope - all that he dies to - to all that there is instant ending. Ending of sorrow is the beginning of compassion. You think about it. Don’t think about it, do it! Now what happens to the man who doesn’t do all this, who is lazy, indifferent, becomes serious about something which is trivial, or he thinks it is very important to follow a guru - and all that silly stuff - what happens to that man, or woman? You understand my question? Have you understood my question?
    There are two types of human beings: the one who is dying every minute of the day, to everything he has gathered, therefore he is never gathering anything. You understand? Psychologically he is never gathering anything, therefore there is no ‘me’ at all, all the time. And there is the other man, what happens to him? So what is the other man? The other man is the human being or the woman, the human being like every other human being in the world. He has lived in sorrow, in despair, in agony, tears, like the rest of the human beings. So there is this stream of sorrow, the stream, the river of agony, the river of pleasure, the river of violence, all that, he is in that stream, he has always been in that stream. Right? It’s only the man who steps out of the stream who is different; otherwise he is like the rest. I know this is a sad picture - you understand? - this is really a great sorrow to see this happening. Therefore, the man who sees this happening is compassionate. Therefore, his responsibility is to convey all this. You understand what I am saying?
    So, immortality is not ‘me’ surviving eternally - until the Angel Gabriel blows the horn - but there is immortality that is beyond death, when time has come to an end. You understand? Time as a movement of thought and measure, which is our consciousness. When that consciousness empties itself completely then there is a state that is totally different. The emptying of this consciousness with its content is part of meditation.

  • @abhishek181177
    @abhishek181177 Před 2 lety +12

    This man is an authority without ever imposing any authority. One thing I can say for sure is " you don't need to go anywhere, J.K has the final word". For me, he is the most insightful human being to ever walk on the face of the earth.

  • @elmarwagner2683
    @elmarwagner2683 Před rokem +3

    Take death as an example to liberate yourself from your attachments, desires and expectations to live a life free from the sorrows that those things produce. Actually he goes much further: to liberate yourself from the content of your consciousness to be free of any anxiety, sorrow or fears. Death is the great master that shows you how to let go of everything.

  • @nangotoman9429
    @nangotoman9429 Před 3 lety +12

    15:15 "Ending of sorrow is the beginning of compassion". If everyone could really understand it... so simple but so tremendously powerfull !!

  • @KartazonDream
    @KartazonDream Před 4 lety +10

    Here Krishnamurti explained the essence of Buddha’s Teachings much better than they did in all 2500 years. Thank you for upload!

  • @easybreezy8904
    @easybreezy8904 Před 4 lety +21

    It is truly fascinating what this man is done for whole universe. And what we gonna do? Should we just clap or do the same?

    • @amanjain2306
      @amanjain2306 Před 3 lety +7

      Brilliant ques... we should first realise ourselves and then help the world in that.. i think that is the only purpose of life.. rest everything is just a distraction.

    • @emiliojr.cabandon6257
      @emiliojr.cabandon6257 Před 3 lety +2

      @@amanjain2306 NICELY SAID MAN! I AGREE WITH YOU. WE ARE IN THE SAME BOX.

    • @shalinisarkar1611
      @shalinisarkar1611 Před 2 lety

      Do the same

    • @trapper1511
      @trapper1511 Před rokem

      ​@@amanjain2306are your children a distraction too ?

  • @pilgrimofindia2024
    @pilgrimofindia2024 Před 3 lety +5

    Pay my warm respect to this one of the greatest philosophers of all time,may your soul ever rest in peace sir.

  • @thesage90
    @thesage90 Před 2 lety +3

    You can't listen to speeches like this just once I'll be watching this over and over again. this was wonderful

  • @kantharao2327
    @kantharao2327 Před 3 lety +5

    Extraordinary. Tribute to one of the greatest philosophers🙏

  • @iyyakuttirajasekaran9906
    @iyyakuttirajasekaran9906 Před 4 lety +5

    It is very rare rather nil to find a person like J.K.what a clarity on life.He is unique in not bringing God any where.

    • @amanjain2306
      @amanjain2306 Před 3 lety +2

      Sadly. very very few get him and what he is trying to say

  • @sanjayvaidhya3558
    @sanjayvaidhya3558 Před 5 lety +6

    Speechless i am. Watched it, in the state of where I am, and now, I am not wondering where I am.......

  • @peakinonolympus
    @peakinonolympus Před 5 lety +15

    Thank you for continuing to upload his videos!

  • @cresenciohernandez8310
    @cresenciohernandez8310 Před 4 lety +5

    Love you all right now in this world Thank you for your contribution in sharing this massage truthfully appreciate 💘 Thank you.

  • @mariamarmatova2593
    @mariamarmatova2593 Před rokem

    15:16 how delightful kiss of compassion my immortal man🙏

  • @therahulagrawal
    @therahulagrawal Před 3 lety +4

    Ending of sorrow is start of compassaion🙏

  • @bulanlumbangaol
    @bulanlumbangaol Před 5 lety +7

    Thank you very much for the transcript. Very helpful.

  • @masnsenyuva9182
    @masnsenyuva9182 Před 5 lety +7

    what a clever man ! thnx for sharing 🙏

  • @cresenciohernandez8310
    @cresenciohernandez8310 Před 4 lety +2

    Wow amazing man. Thank You Thank You Thank You. May all beings be happy. To the end of suffering for All. Paz Inverencial Thank you J

  • @mrfabioghirelli
    @mrfabioghirelli Před 5 lety +4

    Love
    Thanks
    ❤️🌏🕺🏾💃🏻

  • @nayeemkhan2250
    @nayeemkhan2250 Před rokem

    One of the awesomest discourse on death by Krishnaji

  • @Calm_Devil
    @Calm_Devil Před 5 lety +4

    Tremendously valuable 😊😊⚘

  • @vidyaranyavijayapura1121

    Jk has erred here by saying me is a part of thinking!! Me cannot be explained logically it can only be experienced. It is beyond thought process..nor just a thinking.
    But his teachings are amazing and a new life everyday to listen to it.

  • @ishapattanashettar9504

    Thank you sir 🙏🙏🙏

  • @ottocubed9520
    @ottocubed9520 Před 5 lety +2

    Remarkable Sir! The conscience world thanks you.

  • @user-vt5wz2pl3v
    @user-vt5wz2pl3v Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you for uploading beautiful treasures of Jk ⚘⚘

  • @ermetetrismegisto5341

    The brain has access to thought but thought itself is not material at all. And what about emotions? If I close my eyes I can still see and hear this video but with what eyes or ears? Who is "watching" the thoughts? There is definetly a presence at the core who is experiencing all this. That's what the first christians called God. Having said this, it doesn't change the good advice he gave about attachment.

  • @sharatsharma8273
    @sharatsharma8273 Před 5 lety +4

    The secret to meditation has been subtly revealed.that sphere where time & space has no meaning.time ends,continuity stops.thats about all.

  • @martinshannon7632
    @martinshannon7632 Před rokem

    Thanks

  • @emiliojr.cabandon6257
    @emiliojr.cabandon6257 Před 3 lety +2

    DEATH HAPPENS ONLY IN TIME. IF THERE IS NO BELIEF IN TIME, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO DEATH. THAT'S WHY SOME SPIRITUALIST SAID THAT TIME IS A GREAT ILLUSION!
    AND HERE IS THE SECRET: IF YOU ARE A SELF-REALIZED PERSON, YOU WOULD KNOW YOU ARE ETERNAL. AND WHEN ETERNAL, DO YOU THINK THERE IS STILL DEATH?

  • @npsk193
    @npsk193 Před 4 lety +1

    🙏 Thank you, so much 🙏🙏

  • @amitbiswas1885
    @amitbiswas1885 Před 2 lety

    He was clearly struggling to express that which can never be expressed by anyone. Anyway, that state of "death of time" is also not permanent. It will also be replaced by another state. Time, space, matter, mind, everything is happening in me. And that me is not body, or mind. It can never be expressed through our organs. So there is no second reality apart from the real Self. My enemies are me, friends are me, the good, bad all are in me. Also I am responsible for everything. When one grasps this, the work is done. 🙏

  • @umasankar6762
    @umasankar6762 Před 2 lety

    At your feet Master 💐💐💐🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @thakurboys5962
    @thakurboys5962 Před 3 lety

    Its the TIME that makes things significant or insignificant. But all these traits have been introduced by humans so that things makes sense to him.

  • @trapper1511
    @trapper1511 Před rokem

    Master 🙏
    These neo- advatists who are dabbling with the theory of Advaita vedanta must listen to this . THIS is Advaita in it's pure form.

  • @amitbiswas1885
    @amitbiswas1885 Před 2 lety +1

    Thought is obviously a material process, but how can memory stay in brain cells? it's seems impossible. We cannot access brain data in the dream mode. There we access totally different body and memories. If you say, "when you were sleeping and dreaming, there was your body lying on the bed", and I will only say "that was not my direct experience".
    🙏

  • @mayaciza8337
    @mayaciza8337 Před 4 měsíci

    ❤❤❤

  • @lipingfeng
    @lipingfeng Před 2 lety

    There are two types of human beings: the one who is dying every minute of the day, to everything he has gathered, therefore he is never gathering anything. You understand? Psychologically he is never gathering anything, therefore there is no ‘me’ at all,.... And there is the other man, what happens to him? ... He has lived in sorrow, in despair, in agony, tears, like the rest of the human beings. So there is this stream of sorrow, the stream, the river of agony, the river of pleasure, the river of violence, all that, he is in that stream, he has always been in that stream. ~ J.K.

  • @391C
    @391C Před 5 lety +3

    16:02

  • @Qworld00
    @Qworld00 Před 2 lety

    Death in the Future is a concept or a thought occurring presently.
    If the concept or thought about the future death has ended for a person, then what happens?
    Is not there then immortality, which does not mean living in infinite time, rather it means that the movement of time has ended in that consciousness. That individual has moved out of the stream…
    Is that the new dimension of consciousness that K mentioned @ 13:17? There is consciousness that has understood significance of death and timeless conscious living.

  • @soulmates5409
    @soulmates5409 Před rokem

    🙏

  • @queenmplite3499
    @queenmplite3499 Před 3 lety

    Incredible

  • @Qworld00
    @Qworld00 Před 3 lety

    @18.00 there are two types of people living in this world.
    First one lives like K, a timeless eternal life with no fear of future death. And the second type of human beings, which is the rest of the world, lives in time and therefore in fear, always waiting for a future death.
    K succeeded in injecting something new into the world consciousness that is to empty the psychological time content of the consciousness and what he injected will never die unless the whole universe itself gets wiped out somehow!!
    The other thing; even though the consciousness the way we know it is past, dead pieces of the experienced and stored information content in the memory of all beings, it can never die as long as there are beings alive on this planet.

  • @marvingainsborougify
    @marvingainsborougify Před 2 lety

    Do it!

  • @thornebaybossa
    @thornebaybossa Před 3 lety

    Cheers boss

  • @kyu4551
    @kyu4551 Před 2 lety +1

    I don't understand a word he said

  • @melissaklemm9976
    @melissaklemm9976 Před rokem

    The appointed one

  • @rbt34
    @rbt34 Před 3 lety

    Tesla of spirituality

  • @oldkidsjonge
    @oldkidsjonge Před 5 lety +1

    Physical death: not so much, time goes on
    Actual death: no more time, because guess what, otherwise you'd be in one moment and not the other

    • @zharis1884
      @zharis1884 Před 5 lety +1

      But you always exist anyway only in one moment and one moment at a time, donchya? And also, time is only relative; here you measure time with the speed of light, but if you existed elsewhere, that is not this plane of the universe, then you'd be measuring time with the speed of something else, that is something else relevant to existence for, or on that plane.

  • @shivabharani8091
    @shivabharani8091 Před 3 lety +1

    Dear Krishnamuti foundation
    Could you please forward the full episode.
    Thank you all very much for such a wonderful job 🙏

    • @KFoundation
      @KFoundation  Před 3 lety +6

      For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Brockwood Park 1976 public talk 3' either directly on CZcams or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.

    • @shivabharani8091
      @shivabharani8091 Před 3 lety

      Dear Krishnamuti foundation
      Thank you so much for your kind reply.
      You are truly helping mankind by volunteering.
      Priceless.

  • @sonambarua6122
    @sonambarua6122 Před 3 lety

    ❤️

  • @zharis1884
    @zharis1884 Před 5 lety +4

    But is not desiring is a desire in itself? Isn't not wanting anything is wanting something that is not wanting anything? I wonder if you get this :)

    • @sathishnair789
      @sathishnair789 Před 4 lety

      Not desiring becomes an act of will
      Desire is an act of free will
      They both play a different role

    • @easybreezy8904
      @easybreezy8904 Před 4 lety +1

      Just observe your self and it will come by itself. No desire needed.

    • @nangotoman9429
      @nangotoman9429 Před 3 lety +2

      @Z Haris That's a trap of the thought. Just do it, free your mind from all thought, from all conditioning. See things purely, stop trying to use your thougth, be free from it! And you will see clearly, the things as they are purely, no conditioned

  • @buhodespierto24-365
    @buhodespierto24-365 Před 3 lety

    BENDICION

  • @fabrisoto
    @fabrisoto Před 2 lety

    👏🏽🌹👏🏽🌹👏🏽🌹👏🏽

  • @sfilipem
    @sfilipem Před 3 lety

    have I understood the message or am I actually following the messenger... if I don't act, there's only action left

  • @mirrorimage5423
    @mirrorimage5423 Před 3 lety

    Material thought dematerialized.

  • @ramavarapu1
    @ramavarapu1 Před 5 lety +1

    No one has any Relationship with Death and no one wants to Die. Death is uninvited Surprise to us all.

    • @nangotoman9429
      @nangotoman9429 Před 3 lety

      it´s not a surprise, we all know there's no escape from it, so in that realization (that could bring fear) we have created a resistance, we have created after death worlds, an afterlife, gods and so on

    • @nangotoman9429
      @nangotoman9429 Před 3 lety

      so if you break free to that conditioning, you'll face death and acept it, you will see ir crearly and not let any creation of thougth make you believe any invention or distraction away from it. You'll start to see things clearly as they are, without any conditioning

  • @SubhroneelGanguly
    @SubhroneelGanguly Před 2 lety +1

    That means you don't commit suicide. Don't jump out of the bridge 🤣🤣🤣.
    Tell me one reason not to love this person 😊

  • @martinshannon7632
    @martinshannon7632 Před rokem

    Thanks

  • @manmathahaldar9221
    @manmathahaldar9221 Před 2 lety

    🙏🙏🙏

  • @anandjaya2024
    @anandjaya2024 Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks

  • @dalilatemple
    @dalilatemple Před rokem

  • @preethikrao
    @preethikrao Před 2 lety

    🙏🙏🙏