*UPDATED THOUGHTS -* August 5, 2021 *_"The Foretellers probably used the lifeboat to time travel"_* - Here's why I doubt this: Since they have bodies and memories, they would have had mediums, but other than their masks (which they're already wearing) we don't know of anything that could possibly be their mediums. And using the lifeboat in Daybreak Town would have triggered its destruction, which they never caused. Plus, since they have memories, they would have remembered using the lifeboat, but they don't. The fact that Aced is confused _still_ implies they were summoned against their will and knowledge. *Ava being the odd man out **2:18**, **5:55** -* While I'm open-minded to others being the "true dandelion" Luxu put in the 7th pod in KHUX, if it was Ava that Luxu sent to the future, he may have used her mask as her medium, which would explain meta-wise why her face was covered in sheets: to avoid a face reveal *CORRECTION @ **3:58** -* it was confirmed in Re:Mind that this is not Strelitiza, but someone relating to Yozora.
It's insane the world building of Kingdom Hearts. They actually inserted a b plotline that has slowly been rising it's way unto the surface and this has gone through the course of multiple games. The mystery is one of Kingdom hearts skills for sure. Whether it's a good thing or bad thing, only time will tell.
@@1polyron1 it really is amazing, just when I was ready to be angry and disgusted KHDR showed up and made me go "Oh.. oh holy crap. they really do have a story here,. and it's GOOD!"
Something I noticed just now, when we see Ira come back in the dust vortex, you can actually see his body glow a light blue, like Sora did. It's very slight, but it's there
This shows how powerful Xigbar/Luxu really is and that he is able to "toy" with other keyblade masters easily and can just summon them back against their will and without knowledge.
1:45 one detail that I'd like to see more people to realize, it that the concept of empty vessels gaining hearts of their own is partially set up by Pinocchio all the way back in KH1.
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the video, but can I just say how much I LOVE Xigbar/Luxu? He’s just really charismatic to me and I can’t get enough of him. I’m so glad we’re getting more of him.
Remember when Sora was about to leave The Final World and asked Chirithy for a hint on how to save the Guardians of Light? Chirithy replies with “Seriously? Are you a Keyblade wielder, or aren’t you? Haven’t you already learned how to *restore someone’s heart after it’s been lost* ?” Sora asks if that power is the same as the Power of Waking, and Chirithy says “ *I’m not sure* , but...give it a shot?” After Sora saves the guardians from the Lich, Young Xehanort appears to inform him that using the Power of Waking to save people from death will result in one’s own death. “The Lich you’ve been fighting - it’s not like other Heartless. It exists to usher hearts down to the depths of darkness. If you chase it, *you will condemn your heart to that same abyss* .” “What do you think the power of waking is? It’s for traversing hearts to reach worlds. Not for traversing worlds to reach hearts. There’s a *high price to pay for wielding such power foolishly* .” Mickey also warns Sora not to use the Power of Waking to revive the dead after the latter declares he will use it to revive Kairi. “Sora, listen. The power of waking isn’t to go chase hearts around! Even if you do locate Kairi, you might *never come home to us again* .” What these lines imply is there is a way for Keyblade wielders to restore lost hearts without risking their lives. Perhaps Luxu used this power to summon the Foretellers back instead of the Power of Waking. I wonder if future games will elaborate on this power.
I've thought about this! I decided not to include it in the video because it is waayyyy less reliable and I don't want to confuse people with things that are way more hypothetical, but I can't help but wonder if Luxu used Kingdom Hearts itself, or the hearts of other people, for a power source instead of himself. It seems no matter what he needed Kingdom Hearts to be opened or the Keyblade War to occur in order for him to bring back the Foretellers in general. *Observations Excerpt 2:* _"Somewhere in this cyclical history of bequeathings, a chosen one will appear and reenact the Keyblade War. When this scapegoat arrives and takes my Keyblade in hand, that will be the time to take the stage and finish my role. The Lost Masters will awaken."_ *Observations Excerpt 3:* _"But now at least the Keyblade War has begun, and Kingdom Hearts will open-a true and complete Kingdom Hearts, born of the clash between darkness and light. I will soon be reunited with my old companions, and in that moment my long vigil will reach its end. He will return..."_ And then in the beginning of KH3, Young Xehanort says "They're the ones who started the Keyblade War. Or... they're the ones for whom the war started." which seems to be implied that the slaughtering of thousands of kids was for the BENEFIT of the Lost Masters in some way.... spooky!!
@@TheSecretReports I like this theory video quite a lot, the organization is very good and the ideas fit coherently. Your Ava as Darkness theory was inspiring to me as well and has helped me come to what I think are new discoveries. I have a few new ideas about Luxu, the Power of Waking, and finally Ava. My main idea is that Ava used the Power of Waking to stabilize the others in the Final World, and may have died as a result. This resolves the contradiction in how the Power of Waking is explained, as needing an anchor in the real world. Kairi couldn't have been Sora's anchor while dead, but Ava certainly could have. First of all, let's establish how the Power of Waking works. I think that Luxu laid out in detail exactly how it works and why someone who abuses it can die. He implies he knows the gist of everything that was going to happen later in the game when he talks to Sora after Hercules risks his life to stop a falling ceiling, as you pointed out at the end of the video, but the point you didn't cover here was how the Power of Waking's cost specifically works. Luxu:"I don't admire one guy leaping into danger if it means someone else might have to save him. You're all just lining up to lose out. Dooming others to take the fall with you. Oh, and you can spare me the usual party line. Yes, hearts are powerful when they're connected. But if you put too much of that power in one place, some of those hearts might end up breaking." I know he used 'some' there, which normally implies multiple hearts would break, but I think his primary focus was on Sora's death, which he believes is all but guaranteed. He just used the phrase 'some' because he thought Sora could still die despite only reviving a couple of his friends before his heart reached its limit. I think that the essential cost of the Power of Waking is simply a concentration of energy onto one heart. By tying his heart to the hearts of others he revives, he piles up energy from their hearts onto his own. This means that normally, after he revived everyone, his heart could break from the energy overload, and that would make him die for good. However, your Ava-As-Darkness theory seems to have the potential to explain how he managed to survive without his heart's destruction. First, let's look at Ava's probable location and methods for intervening in the Keyblade War: 1:As you theorized, Ava was probably waiting in the Realm of Darkness all this time, and she knew the Keyblade War would come due to the Book of Prophecies. Unlike Aqua, she is strong enough to easily enter and exit the Realm of Darkness at will. She may have even known the exact date and time of the event, which means she could have waited nearby in the Keyblade Graveyard itself when the war was about to begin, and simply remained invisible or hidden in some way with her illusion magic skills. But how did she intervene? 2:How did Ava intervene? I think she also possesses the Power of Waking like Luxu does, and used it to give Sora the 'anchor' he needed to come back to the real world and retain his form in the Final World. My view of the Power of Waking is that any keyblade master can learn it if they are a sufficiently advanced and powerful user. Luxu is hundreds of years old mentally and has nearly endless experiences after all his body hopping, so it fits that he would eventually figure it out. He probably would have had plenty of chances to temporarily seize No Name for himself over millenia worth of time, and make sure he had the method down pat. In fact, if we make the presumption that Luxu and any person can't transfer their heart to a new vessel without a keyblade, no matter what, then acquiring No Name temporarily, taking a key from the Keyblade Graveyard, simply summoning a Keyblade of his own, or getting the help of a Keyblade wielder would have been the only possible methods for him to stay alive for this long. For now, I am going to use the theory that Luxu was able to summon a Keyblade of his own because his heart was powerful enough to do so. He simply couldn't do so as Xigbar because he was a Nobody. Alternatively, he still could, and he simply chose not to because it would blow his cover. What about Ava? Would the Realm of Darkness allow her to learn this ability? I think so. Aqua was very depressed and angry with Sora and Mickey. She made it very clear that she felt every single year of the experience, even if she seems to have not aged during that time. That makes it seem very likely to me that Ava has trained in the Realm of Darkness for what at least felt to her like hundreds or thousands of years, and that in general, the Realm of Darkness does not act like an accelerated time chamber for people who go in it. It seems perfectly reasonable to go from there to the conclusion that she became strong enough to use the Power of Waking during this time. Now, Chirithy's explanation of the Power of Waking seemed contradictory, because he said Kairi was acting as Sora's anchor in the real world, even when she was dead, and shouldn't have been able to do so. He also shouldn't have kept his form if nobody in the real world was holding onto him. I believe Ava secretly helped out and allowed everyone to cling to the real world with the Power of Waking. By all reason, they should all have become disembodied hearts in the final world after dying to the Heartless Tornado, but Ava stepping in is the perfect explanation. Beyond that, if you re-listen to Luxu's dialogue about Ava carrying out her mission, it sounds slightly melancholic. I think he may believe that Ava died and went to the Final World as a result of using the Power of Waking on too many people at once. He could revive her, but he knows she won't join the Master's new plan. My opinion is that Ava could be in two situations at the moment. Option 1: She is in the Final World as a result of abusing the Power of Waking. Option 2:She successfully helped Sora revive the others without issue and returned to hiding until the time came to intervene again. This may be more reasonable, as Luxu just casually revived four Foretellers at once without any apparent difficulty. Either way, since the Keyblade War just ended, it seems more likely to me that Luxu was primarily referring to Ava using the Power of Waking on the Guardians, not her mission from hundreds of years ago. It would be true that she had carried out her old mission, but I don't see why Luxu would bring that point up to the other Foretellers if it is no longer very important. With what Luxu has said about how Sora was doomed to die, it seems heavily implied that Luxu thought Sora was going to die, and that he only changed his mind when he saw the end result. Essentially, Luxu would have figured out hundreds of years ago that a temporal rewind was the only explanation that allowed the prophecy to come true and still allowed the guardians to survive. Therefore, if the guardians won, that meant a time rewind must have happened. Beyond that, Young Xehanort made it very clear that he sensed how Sora had damaged his own heart, when he kept insisting that Sora had 'paid the price', and that the 'darkest abyss' awaited him. I think this knowledge did not come from YX somehow keeping his memories through the time rewind, but from him sensing the damage to Sora's heart/the overload of energy inflicted by the Power of Waking's cost and his abuse of it. So, if YX could sense the damage, surely Luxu also could. Therefore, Luxu knew that if Sora revived everyone and was somehow still back to life, there was only one explanation:Ava had stepped in and helped him, and that she was now either dead or once again hiding in the shadows. Him thinking Ava is dead would explain his slight indignation when one of the Foretellers said he'd excluded her. It seems that Luxu respected Ava's mission and is sad that she may now be dead. Finally, one last bit of proof for this theory. Let's flash back to Olympus once again. What did Luxu tell Sora? ""I don't admire one guy leaping into danger if it means someone else might have to save him. You're all just lining up to lose out. Dooming others to take the fall with you." This very much hints to me that he probably had long anticipated this possible scenario, where Ava used the Power of Waking and possibly sacrificed herself just to save Sora and co. He was foreshadowing to Sora exactly what he thought was going to happen, Ava going in to save him and dying as a result. Now, him saying that doesn't make much sense if Sora's survival was solely due to Kairi's influence. She was already leaping into danger along with Sora. It makes much more sense if he's saying that Sora will unintentionally force Ava to sacrifice herself due to his own foolhardiness and wish to save everyone. This also makes the Power of Waking make logical sense. If people in the Final World could revive themselves as long as they knew the Power of Waking, Luxu wouldn't have bothered body-hopping for so long. He would have just de-aged himself as a ghost whenever he wanted to, just like Xehanort did, and then resurrect himself at will. Instead, it seems very likely that there has to be someone in the physical world to revive you for it to work. Overall, great video, this is almost definitely true and it's very well presented.
@@TheSecretReports Personally, I think Luxu was probably able to revive the Lost Masters at any moment in time, but the Book of Prophecies told him not to until the time was right. Him not dying like Sora could simply mean he's a much more advanced user of it who has mastered the ability, and that Sora damaged his heart because he was an amateur. Part of it could also be the state the masters were in. They were not in danger of fading away like Sora's friends were. I think that like Xehanort and Eraqus, they became ghosts with intact bodies. We saw them walking as they reformed into a tangible and physical form, and this implies they still had bodies of a sort, even as they were ghosts, and that they were conscious while Luxu was beginning to summon them into the physical world. Otherwise, they would probably have awoken from a sort of physical sleep and we would have seen their bodies be fully created by Luxu. How did they keep their bodies? I think it's the same method that Eraqus and Xehanort used:They transformed their physical bodies into energy, and this gives them forms even in the Final World. It just seems like the most coherent and simple explanation to me. Kingdom Hearts was presumably sealed away after Xehanort's defeat, and although Sora got the X-Blade from him, Luxu did not suddenly gain the X-Blade's powers as a result of that. It seems like too much to me to assume that he is somehow secretly using other people's hearts or Kingdom Hearts as batteries when this is not shown. He didn't say precisely that he needed Kingdom Hearts to appear to revive the others, he just said that this was when he was when they would finally return. Easily misinterpretable, but that's Nomura for you. The reason why Sora was told not to use the Power of Waking in that way could have just been that he was not ready yet. Chirithy's confusion could make sense if back in Union X, they didn't have a word for 'Power of Waking', and revival was a common ability. It doesn't seem like a fundamentally different power. My headcanon is that both relate to restoring a heart to its proper form and state, and that revival is just a more extreme application compared to awakening, one more likely to incur an energy overload. Now, why does Mickey freak out and tell Sora that the power of waking isn't to chase hearts around? It could be that nobody since the time of Union X has ever been able to revive the dead, and those few wielders who attempted it since then with the Power of Waking died. As a result, it became taboo, and Mickey and the few other Keyblade masters still around are ignorant of the formerly common knowledge that revival could be done reliably and safely if you mastered the power of waking. In the past there were thousands and thousands of keyblade wielders, it is quite reasonable that the art of ressurection could've become forgotten. It's also important to consider that Keybearers have much stronger hearts than your average person. Reviving them could be easier than reviving someone who has a more easily destroyed heart that might have barely anything left of it to revive. So, revival in the past might have been much more realistic in war, and since there was an actual war going on, there was much more of a chance of this sort of revival power being discovered rather than lost and forgotten. It all makes sense when you consider that barely any keyblade wielders are left and those who pass on their arts do so to only a few disciples, so they would never risk their lives and increase the chance that the legacy of keyblade wielders will be completely cut short. At least that's my best guess right now.
I really do want the nameless star to be Strelitzia, but i feel like it’s more possible that the girl didn’t whisper “Lauriam” in Sora’s ear, given his reaction. I think it’s more probable that what she whispered was “Yozora,” hence why Sora recognized the name and was surprised. If so, that’d probably mean it’s the girl from the Verum Rex trailer, from whom Yozora was separated from
what if Nameless Star/Strelitzia actually said Marluxia(the name Lariam is known for, during KH:CoM, KH:356/2 and KH3...maybe KH2 if the absent Silhouette is canon XD)
Okay, you’re fantastic at this. Everything is so well thought out. Concisely worded, and paced extremely well. Stick around for a year or two. You could have an absolutely unstoppable channel.
1:23 I just noticed the Master of Masters symbol has a Devil wing on one side, and an Angel wing on the other this just makes me even more curious! What a cool story. Loving this series of videos still even after the finale.
Watching this after Melody if Memory, we know now that the Foretellers were maybe in Quadratum. The power of waking is described as a power that uses people's hearts in order to reach worlds. So I guess Luxu still used the Power of Waking to call the other Foretellers in Quadratum, and then they came back to the Keyblade Graveyard after hearing that call
Only one month and you’re already my favorite KH theorist on CZcams. Normally, I’m always really hesitant to watch any KH theory videos, but the “Ava being Darkness” one sounded too interesting, plus with how neat and clean the thumbnail was, it made me decide to give it a chance, and now I do not regret it. Had to immediately subscribe after watching it in. And now...now in the middle of another well thought out and explained theory...you fit in a John Mulaney reference. How do I subscribe a second time? I look forward to your future videos and am honored to be a new fan! :)
I think Luxu and the M.O.M. are going to be god like beings, they way they both seem so relaxed and joke often for such serious things goes to show they aren’t even trying 20%. I am so excited for whatever is next, just a shame I wasn’t fulfilled with kh3.
im really glad you’re doing this channel. i love your blog and your theories, but reading long things has always been kind of a struggle for me. this video was very clear and easy to understand, also i like the way you did spoiler warning at the beginning that’s really cute
I’ve watched all 3 of your videos now and I really must commend you on how well edited and put together they are! I loved your info video for the channel, simple and straight to the point. Honestly well done! Subbed right away. Looking forward to what you put out next.
its rare to see someone state theories without blabbing too much , having organized edits and thumbnails and very spot on info. sadly nomura has to sell more so he cant have all the information in one game with all the answers . its our job to seek :)
In the middle of all these , and while the xehanort saga is over, I want to say that I really appreciate Nomura exploring the organization's members, like Xigbar, Luxord or Larxene etc. and giving them space for the next titles. These characters looked mad interesting since KH2 and it would be a shame to get lost since so many new characters get introduced with each title.
Just found your channel and I love it! I actually have my own theory that the power to time travel is actually a loop hole with the power of waking. But if the Lost Masters were in the Final world this entire time then it makes sense that time travel wouldn't be used
I believe their hearts went inside kingdom hearts like everyone else's when they perished. Luxu needed to wait until xehanort opened kingdom hearts with the xblade in kh3 in order to summon them back from kingdom hearts. He was vessel hopping for centuries until kingdom hearts was unlocked so he could revive the lost masters for a reason we dont know yet
I really like this theory, but i dont entirely agree. I believe the Power of Waking was used, but not by Luxu. I believe it was Superbia (The Master of Masters). Here's my theory on it if your curious. In the Epilogue, it can be seen that the box latches have been unlocked, implying that the box was opened, but the contents are no where to be found. I think this is because The Master of Masters was in the box. This theory goes along with the 7 deadly sins theory that all of the foretellers plus MoM are named after the 7 deadly sins, and on the box "Superbia" is inscribed, which is the missing sin Pride that is absent in the foretellers. I believe, Master of Masters name is Superbia and he was in the box. After Kingdom Hearts was summoned, the box was openned and Superbia came out. Superbia then used the Power of Waking to resurrect the foretellers that perished in the keyblade war, similar to how Sora used the Power of Waking to save Kairi who died during the events of KH3. As a result, Master of Masters ends up in the Shibuya world shown in the Yozora cutscene (if i remember correctly, i believe there was an interview that confirmed MoM is the cloaked character in the Yozora cutscene). This makes sense because it is implied that Sora ends up in that world after using the Power of Waking to resurrect Kairi. This theory also supports why the box appears open, but Master of Masters is nowhere to be found. Then theres the case of Riku, who just by his badass nature, sends himself to that world to go save Sora, probably by using the Power of Waking or some other means that will be explained in the next game. But, i really enjoy your theories and they match very close to mine! Like the Ava being darkness and Ava being the traitor theory. I have a bit different view on that one too, but for the most part i agree. I just love seeing the theories people have on all this stuff, especially if they are closely related to mine :p I love the way you lay out your videos too!
Wait a minute..."Who traveled through time to be brought together again", but in accordance with the laws of time travel, a person must have ANOTHER OF HIMSELF to exist in that same time period. The only way we know thus far to overcome that is to place a heart into a replica, which we clearly saw that there was none found around the area in which the Foretellers' revival took place. Gotta say I enjoyed seeing your theories. Love how kingdom hearts encourages those gears in our minds to keep on running, with our eyes to be sharp for any clue. Subscribed. EDIT: I'm an idiot. xD I'll remember to comment AFTER seeing the entire damn vid, my bad. You already stated the whole replica part in the vid.
I think Ava saved the other foretellors and Luxu merely summoned them back. Maybe Ava used the power of waking to save them(like Sora did) and she is in unreality as a consequence which would explain why Luxu couldnt summon her. "She completed her mission."
A major detail that eliminates the possibility to time travel is that, according to the rules laid out by Young Xehanort in DDD, "there must be a version of you waiting at the destination." Meaning that (barring exceptions like Maleficent traveling into the data worlds of Uχ) a time traveler can *only* move along their personal timeline, from birth to death. There are no modern-day versions of the Foretellers that we're aware of, which means time travel is completely out of the question.
There is one istance in the game where that weird vortex was last seen. And that was KH II FMx. The secret boss also has a vortex and then his body appears.
I just love what you do ! Everything is so clear, you have a very nice english that helps non english speaker like me to follow (and the subtitles are neat). The editing is fabulous (simple and clean ;) ) You should do more content, and you deserve more views !
You missed a key detail. The vortex thing to the keyblade graveyard happened twice already in this series which I am aware of; 1. At the end of KH2 FMx a portal opens up at the basement of the Disney castle. And Sora and gang walk through it and ending up at the keyblade graveyard. There they meet the Lingering Wil, who is the secret boss of KH2 FMx. 2. Luxu summing the Lost Masters at the end of KH3. The reason I brought the up because 1. It parallels / mirrors the sides of what’s happening from both the summoner side as the one being summoned. 2. Up to the place of happening and details it’s the same. This means that they either were already alive before entering / getting outside of that vortex.
First video I’ve seen from you just now, great work! Another KH CZcamsr I watch (don’t wanna call them out like this since I really enjoy their content) theorized that Luxu did pull the Foretellers through time before the Keyblade War, which is why they showed no tension between themselves when they faced each other in the Keyblade Graveyard, unlike in Back Cover. However, if you were dead for so long and brought back to life, you’re not going to try tearing each other’s limbs apart as your very first instinct. 😛 I am really curious if Luxu did possess anyone before Braig, and what kind of person Braig was before Luxu possessed him. I do also wonder if Luxu is defeated in the form of Xigbar, will both of their bodies be separated or something? Hmm. 🤔
I've always loved the posts from your blog amongst others that explore the lore and theories of Kingdom Hearts. Really excited to see future videos from you, especially with how professionally it's layed out and edited. I'm not sure what constructive feedback I can give now with such few videos at the moment, hopefully that will change in the future (in a good way that is). Keep up the wonderful work! (*˘︶˘*).｡.:*♡
Could it be that we haven't actually seen Luxu's keyblade? No name is MoM's, and Luxu's role was to pass it down. We do know that a person can wield two keyblades and not only that but we don't know if Luxu's animal motif really is the goat.
I think it's possible. Mickey wielded the Star Seeker that Master Yen Sid lended him, then got his own in the Realm of Darkness, then switches back to the Star Seeker... And also, we have to take Xehanort into account. Watching Young Xehanort and Xemnas, along with the Mysterious Figure fight in BBS, is clear as day that the No Name is Xehanort's keyblade, yet Master Xehanort wields a "lended" keyblade, the Master of Master's No Name. So yeah, i think it's possible that Luxu had his own keyblade, only that either he didn't want to use it to not attract undesired attention, or with successive changes of body, he lost the ability to wield it. Think about the training needed to manifest one's keyblade, and having to it (albeit being easier) each time Luxu changes bodies. Then again, since he was always close to the No Name, he could borrow it everytime he needed to change bodies. It's not impossible...
We know that the power of waking is suppose to be used to traverse hearts to reach worlds. What if, via that method you can traverse into another's body as your traversing hearts.
It seems like the unlocking of the true kingdom hearts was an essential part of the master of masters/ luxu's plan. Both play a role in pushing xehanort towards this objective. Perhaps this is what allowed the foretellers to return, or granted luxu the ability to restore the foretellers without the risk of disappearing. That does leave me with some questions regard the master of masters though, because of the warnings he gives to the foretellers, it seems he may have abused the power of waking, and disappeared as a result, which would line up with his appearance in quadratum. How would he then have has the conversation with young xehanort though? I am not sure, but it maybe be possible that he travelled back through time to speak to him, after returning to reality
Except that Luxu in Observations Excerpt 2 says "the Lost Masters will awaken" which still implies they're asleep. But it could be a mixture of both, seeing that Riku may have been able to visit Quadratum via the realm of sleep.
@@TheSecretReports yeah true I am theorizing quadratum might be something like a realm of the dead for a long time but I am not sure. After I saw this theory I was thinking what if the masters new bodies weren't created but they stole them from quadratum. The nameless star did got her body stolen Soo I started thinking what if they have a relation with each other. But yeah we don't know for sure. Mom did teach us that the lost masters did use to go to quadratum
Awesome content ! There is just one small detail that kinda bug me out is the point about Luxu being able to transfer his heart through other vessel without a keyblade like it’s something incredible and might be the power of awaking or another one we don’t know about. I've seen other theorist point that out as well and I was just wondering: wasn’t Terra able to do the same when he was still «the person behind» (that monster looking like a heartless behind terra-nort) in that scene in KH3 when he reclaim his body ? I know the situation is kinda different since: 1) He was trying to get his own body back 2) He was somehow connected to terra-nort But if Terra who doesn’t seem to have any knowledge about how to release his heart and sending it to another person was able to do so, wouldn’t Luxu, who his whole role was about finding vessel through time to witness a second keyblade war, have simply better knowledge about how to do it ? It doesn’t look like something that remarquable to me. It really isn’t that important but I wanted to share my thoughts about that detail. Keep up the good work. :D
i think that luxu opened a portal for another dimension. This new dimension was created by mom, and it is a small world. the porpose for this world was for relax/wait the 5 masters(ira,gula ...) except luxu. in this dimension tthe time is stopped like the realm of dark. and the small world of this dimension is twitlight town (always the same sunset). and the house of the masters is the mansion, it could explain the references of ira in the mansion. there two things more that i want focus. the white room and super computer. I think that the white room was for ava, namine used it after (i wrote the theory that namine is ava´s nobody in another video of this channel) . The supercomputer could be the data world of union croos. in kh2 we saw this computer with some cabins that have been used, the foretellers. We know that ventus will come back from the data world and casually roxas appereared ahead of the mansion. Continuing the theory of the mansion: why is yensid living near to that mansion ? and why is he preparing for the future, studiying mom and apprentices (kh3 blackboard)? solution: yensid has got the book of profetices. the master of eraqus(the protector),xehanort(attack),yensid(magic) gave to them one thing: eraqus the knowledge of protecting as eraqus talked to aqua "castle of oblivion", xehanort the keyblade (why this master put the keyblade like a trophie as we see in kh3? ) and to yensid the book of profetices.
I love the Idea of them not time travelling. I've been thinking the same thing about Ventus, Marluxia, Larxene etc. I even have a method of how they came back. I can't wait to reveal it in a future video. I'm so jealous. How did you get so good at editing. Isn't this your first channel? You also have a great speaking voice. The thing is even if I could edit as great as you my deep dive episodes are going to be so long I doubt I'd want to. However I still want to learn for my series known as 1 min theories.
This is my first channel in a way (I have a few random uploads of dorky recordings, and maybe some lyric videos from middle school like everybody else) but I also have a LOT of experience with graphic and webdesign, so that helps a lot in laying out everything in a pretty-looking manner. But yeah it sure does take forever LOL. Though 1 min theories are a great idea, especially for practicing editing. You can focus on the detail of the short video instead of being overwhelmed at much left there is to do.
I agree with this except that I think it was the master of masters who used the power of waking and that's what made him disappear in the first place. Check out the video on my channel where I talk more about it.
But didn’t Sora’s power of waking use time travel too? I mean Sora recovered their hearts and transport them at the time before they lost the battle but Sora also altered the past (by awakening Terra’s mind inside his armor) and change his present/future. Hence creating two timelines? One where they fell to darkness and one where the lingering will saved them. That will be the case but when he uses the power of waking to recover Kairi he does travel to the past but doesn’t return her heart to the point before Master Xehanort kills her but instead after they defeat him. Which makes me wonder how exactly the power of waking works?
Of course Luxu used the power of Waking like how Dyne did in FFVII w/ Barret and him when they lose their arms and after you defeat him after the battle after escaping Coral Prison. Also, Ava did indeed have her own mission as seen in KHUx and it's crazy/cool how it reveals to the players that this ending scene makes sense. Lastly, you forgot that Roxas woke up Sora in KH2.
Haaa so I'm only just now getting to watching this amazing theory. Question. On the point about seeing the resurrection of the body/heart from the inside perspective via with Sora's Guardian rescue, the Ultimania interview does attempt to clarify that by using the PoW, Sora in a sense time traveled to the point before they perished, creating that singularity. So the process of 'awakening a heart whose body has perished' is more a matter of... going back to when the body did exist more so than creating it from the transparent wireframe. This goes for when he resurrected himself and we got a view of his first-person POV and Riku's sacrifice only to lead us to the Final World. It's a little muddled, but I simply took the PoW to be a tool to create these elaborate time loops, not so much summoning things from the past. Though, to be fair, Sora's subsequent rescue of Kairi does not fit this interpretation as there was no present reset in occurrence. They just kinda appeared (in the same way as the Foretellers?). The interplay with the time travel aspect compromises my understanding here. Honestly, I think you're very very right here I just need to get through this mental block. This is Kitsoa btw~.
HI MY LOVE!!!!! The keyword in Nomura's explanation though is "singularity" like you said. Meaning that the time loops Sora has been creating are NOT normal circumstances, I don't think. There is still the fact that Sora used the PoW on Ventus, and it's not like Sora turned back time all the way back to BbS to when Ven and Vanitas fought. Or when Riku awoken Sora's heart in DDD in a similar manner, he did not reset time to when Sora was falling asleep with Young Xehanort. So I think there has to be some other mysterious factor in Sora turning back time, as not even Young Xehanort mentioned the possibility of time resetting (is it okay if I say that made-up term instead of time traveling? Idk if they're the same or not in this KH logic LOL) and he seems to know a lot about the PoW with the whole "hearts traveling to worlds/vice versa" speech. Maybe they are connected, but we would need an explanation on why only Sora can reset time with it.
@@TheSecretReports I take your point! The possibility of heart-time-travel being added to the act of 'waking a sleeping heart' was a dose of speculation going around if I recall, seeing how Sora lost his body after the Demon Tide destroyed him and was potentially capable of the feat (an interpretation I didn't see a lot of sense in, but the time resetting element was rather unexplained). So I was getting a little tripped up. In regards to the mysterious factor making Sora turn back time, I've actually got a post in my drafts talking about the Ven/ Sora DDD exceptions that I'll give you a tag in. I was waiting to get part 2 figured out but you got me thinking! Thanks a lot Mel for such wonderful answers!
Honestly I don't think they was forced more liked called to they answered by going there like hey why did you want us to come why are we here. That's why ava didn't come an luxu was a little surprised like all well
I totally get your confusion. Basically, both YX and MoM's Keyblades have been called No Name. Before KHX and, more particularly, before Back Cover, Master Xehanort's Keyblade was always referred to as that-- "Master Xehanort's Keyblade", like in concept art or journal entries. I personally have NEVER seen it called No Name in Birth by Sleep (maybe it's the file name? I just don't know how else everyone came to this conclusion before BbS Final Mix came out) BUT Luxu does call it "No Name" again in Back Cover- both in English AND Japanese- after the Master tells him it's not called the Gazing Eye. But, it seems Luxu ignores this after all and calls it the Gazing Eye later in Observations. So that specific Keyblade has been called both. YX's Keyblade has either been called "Young Xehanort's Keyblade" (concept art) or "No Name" (menu name from BbS). images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/bbs_03.png images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/kh3d_01.png i.pinimg.com/originals/98/57/c6/9857c64df67cb01bbba474aa00b16b9c.jpg
Obs 2 says "Keybladeless", and I think the chances of him just taking the No Name Keyblade back from his line of apprentices whenever he needs it are incredibly slim. I won't think so unless he says something to imply it, personally. Plus who knows how long the Keyblade has been on the mantle seen in Scala ad Caelum. If there were a handful of early apprentices who had the No Name in hand before displaying it, that would mean Luxu would literally take it from them, and I just don't see how he could do that, especially with the implication he's been dormant all this time, waiting for the "scapegoat" he mentions in Obs 3.
Oh. I guess ive been assuming he hasnt been dormant and been actively involved ( or at least only a few degrees separate) with each succeeding apprentice; especially seein MoM interacting with YX
I get this odd feeling that Luxu is playing a much bigger game here than the Master of Masters. Might even be Luxu playing the Master or Masters due to how long Luxu has been around and the Master of Masters is else where NOT getting involved with the events and just seeing things through that eye of his on No Name. It's just a groundless gut feeling but it is just how he is believe to be able to use the Power of Waking and not phase out like Sora was in his usage. Which leads me to wonder about that because Luxu and Ava have done their true roles. Are they still chained to the Master or Masters's will or design? Might just be me going out on the limb here but Master of Masters seen in the secret video trailer in that city where Sora and Riku are seen in makes me wonder if he himself is not also a prisoner for 'ensuring' a timeline that only he can see, but is forced or ensured that he won't affect it.
In light of the latest KHUX story update, im going with the theory the black box contains mediums for the Foretellers return. MoM says to time travel you need someone with memories of you and a medium. MoM’s medium being his eye inside the keyblade he gave Luxu. Luxu has the memories of the Foretellers and if im right the black box has the mediums.
they would need to actually touch the medium to gain the memory, since the box is still locked theres no way its for medium stuff, hell they don't even know whats the box for too since luxu does explain his role including the box too so its not related to them
Luxu has possessed everybody that was apart of organization 13 even vanitus thus takes over there will usually through submission, xigbar's personality was very similar to the masters of masters (spot on) and Luxu knew his plan might fail so he saved Xigbar as saving the best for last to see the end of the neo keyblade war to complete the mission because clearly it wasn't completed
Skwintz Alright then, please, I implore you to explain how they time traveled. It’s not like they all just went to Daybreak Towns tower for the “ark” recently revealed, because Aced and Ira both imply that they weren’t summoned with their own will. Comments like this aren’t convincing unless you can back yourself up, my friend haha
*UPDATED THOUGHTS -* August 5, 2021
*_"The Foretellers probably used the lifeboat to time travel"_* - Here's why I doubt this: Since they have bodies and memories, they would have had mediums, but other than their masks (which they're already wearing) we don't know of anything that could possibly be their mediums. And using the lifeboat in Daybreak Town would have triggered its destruction, which they never caused. Plus, since they have memories, they would have remembered using the lifeboat, but they don't. The fact that Aced is confused _still_ implies they were summoned against their will and knowledge.
*Ava being the odd man out **2:18**, **5:55** -* While I'm open-minded to others being the "true dandelion" Luxu put in the 7th pod in KHUX, if it was Ava that Luxu sent to the future, he may have used her mask as her medium, which would explain meta-wise why her face was covered in sheets: to avoid a face reveal
*CORRECTION @ **3:58** -* it was confirmed in Re:Mind that this is not Strelitiza, but someone relating to Yozora.
It's insane the world building of Kingdom Hearts. They actually inserted a b plotline that has slowly been rising it's way unto the surface and this has gone through the course of multiple games. The mystery is one of Kingdom hearts skills for sure. Whether it's a good thing or bad thing, only time will tell.
@@1polyron1 it really is amazing, just when I was ready to be angry and disgusted KHDR showed up and made me go "Oh.. oh holy crap. they really do have a story here,. and it's GOOD!"
Something I noticed just now, when we see Ira come back in the dust vortex, you can actually see his body glow a light blue, like Sora did. It's very slight, but it's there
Yup!
Yeah i saw it too! :D Glad i was not the only one.
This shows how powerful Xigbar/Luxu really is and that he is able to "toy" with other keyblade masters easily and can just summon them back against their will and without knowledge.
1:45 one detail that I'd like to see more people to realize, it that the concept of empty vessels gaining hearts of their own is partially set up by Pinocchio all the way back in KH1.
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the video, but can I just say how much I LOVE Xigbar/Luxu? He’s just really charismatic to me and I can’t get enough of him. I’m so glad we’re getting more of him.
His voice actor nailed it in KH3 imo. He's a very cool character for sure.
Memoria Lux his voice actor is so good, especially in the ending. I can’t wait to see what they do with him in future games!
Xigbar/Luxu was basically the right hand man to the Master of Masters. Some of his tendencies must of rubbed off on him.
Nick Halfmann lol he the right hand of MoM xehanort and xemnas
he is also jiraiya
the thumbnails draw my attention and honestly it is so organized in every aspect love it
chaotic and messy thumbnails are OUT, Simple and Clean thumbnails are IN
Cynthia Galo legit same this how I found the channel👍
@@TheSecretReports Simple and clean
Remember when Sora was about to leave The Final World and asked Chirithy for a hint on how to save the Guardians of Light? Chirithy replies with “Seriously? Are you a Keyblade wielder, or aren’t you? Haven’t you already learned how to *restore someone’s heart after it’s been lost* ?” Sora asks if that power is the same as the Power of Waking, and Chirithy says “ *I’m not sure* , but...give it a shot?”
After Sora saves the guardians from the Lich, Young Xehanort appears to inform him that using the Power of Waking to save people from death will result in one’s own death.
“The Lich you’ve been fighting - it’s not like other Heartless. It exists to usher hearts down to the depths of darkness. If you chase it, *you will condemn your heart to that same abyss* .”
“What do you think the power of waking is? It’s for traversing hearts to reach worlds. Not for traversing worlds to reach hearts. There’s a *high price to pay for wielding such power foolishly* .”
Mickey also warns Sora not to use the Power of Waking to revive the dead after the latter declares he will use it to revive Kairi.
“Sora, listen. The power of waking isn’t to go chase hearts around! Even if you do locate Kairi, you might *never come home to us again* .”
What these lines imply is there is a way for Keyblade wielders to restore lost hearts without risking their lives. Perhaps Luxu used this power to summon the Foretellers back instead of the Power of Waking. I wonder if future games will elaborate on this power.
I've thought about this! I decided not to include it in the video because it is waayyyy less reliable and I don't want to confuse people with things that are way more hypothetical, but I can't help but wonder if Luxu used Kingdom Hearts itself, or the hearts of other people, for a power source instead of himself. It seems no matter what he needed Kingdom Hearts to be opened or the Keyblade War to occur in order for him to bring back the Foretellers in general.
*Observations Excerpt 2:* _"Somewhere in this cyclical history of bequeathings, a chosen one will appear and reenact the Keyblade War. When this scapegoat arrives and takes my Keyblade in hand, that will be the time to take the stage and finish my role.
The Lost Masters will awaken."_
*Observations Excerpt 3:* _"But now at least the Keyblade War has begun, and Kingdom Hearts will open-a true and complete Kingdom Hearts, born of the clash between darkness and light. I will soon be reunited with my old companions, and in that moment my long vigil will reach its end. He will return..."_
And then in the beginning of KH3, Young Xehanort says "They're the ones who started the Keyblade War. Or... they're the ones for whom the war started." which seems to be implied that the slaughtering of thousands of kids was for the BENEFIT of the Lost Masters in some way.... spooky!!
Noir has a Power of Revival theory
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I like this theory video quite a lot, the organization is very good and the ideas fit coherently. Your Ava as Darkness theory was inspiring to me as well and has helped me come to what I think are new discoveries. I have a few new ideas about Luxu, the Power of Waking, and finally Ava. My main idea is that Ava used the Power of Waking to stabilize the others in the Final World, and may have died as a result. This resolves the contradiction in how the Power of Waking is explained, as needing an anchor in the real world. Kairi couldn't have been Sora's anchor while dead, but Ava certainly could have.
First of all, let's establish how the Power of Waking works. I think that Luxu laid out in detail exactly how it works and why someone who abuses it can die. He implies he knows the gist of everything that was going to happen later in the game when he talks to Sora after Hercules risks his life to stop a falling ceiling, as you pointed out at the end of the video, but the point you didn't cover here was how the Power of Waking's cost specifically works.
Luxu:"I don't admire one guy leaping into danger if it means someone else might have to save him. You're all just lining up to lose out. Dooming others to take the fall with you. Oh, and you can spare me the usual party line. Yes, hearts are powerful when they're connected. But if you put too much of that power in one place, some of those hearts might end up breaking."
I know he used 'some' there, which normally implies multiple hearts would break, but I think his primary focus was on Sora's death, which he believes is all but guaranteed. He just used the phrase 'some' because he thought Sora could still die despite only reviving a couple of his friends before his heart reached its limit. I think that the essential cost of the Power of Waking is simply a concentration of energy onto one heart. By tying his heart to the hearts of others he revives, he piles up energy from their hearts onto his own. This means that normally, after he revived everyone, his heart could break from the energy overload, and that would make him die for good. However, your Ava-As-Darkness theory seems to have the potential to explain how he managed to survive without his heart's destruction. First, let's look at Ava's probable location and methods for intervening in the Keyblade War:
1:As you theorized, Ava was probably waiting in the Realm of Darkness all this time, and she knew the Keyblade War would come due to the Book of Prophecies. Unlike Aqua, she is strong enough to easily enter and exit the Realm of Darkness at will. She may have even known the exact date and time of the event, which means she could have waited nearby in the Keyblade Graveyard itself when the war was about to begin, and simply remained invisible or hidden in some way with her illusion magic skills. But how did she intervene?
2:How did Ava intervene? I think she also possesses the Power of Waking like Luxu does, and used it to give Sora the 'anchor' he needed to come back to the real world and retain his form in the Final World. My view of the Power of Waking is that any keyblade master can learn it if they are a sufficiently advanced and powerful user. Luxu is hundreds of years old mentally and has nearly endless experiences after all his body hopping, so it fits that he would eventually figure it out. He probably would have had plenty of chances to temporarily seize No Name for himself over millenia worth of time, and make sure he had the method down pat. In fact, if we make the presumption that Luxu and any person can't transfer their heart to a new vessel without a keyblade, no matter what, then acquiring No Name temporarily, taking a key from the Keyblade Graveyard, simply summoning a Keyblade of his own, or getting the help of a Keyblade wielder would have been the only possible methods for him to stay alive for this long. For now, I am going to use the theory that Luxu was able to summon a Keyblade of his own because his heart was powerful enough to do so. He simply couldn't do so as Xigbar because he was a Nobody. Alternatively, he still could, and he simply chose not to because it would blow his cover.
What about Ava? Would the Realm of Darkness allow her to learn this ability? I think so. Aqua was very depressed and angry with Sora and Mickey. She made it very clear that she felt every single year of the experience, even if she seems to have not aged during that time. That makes it seem very likely to me that Ava has trained in the Realm of Darkness for what at least felt to her like hundreds or thousands of years, and that in general, the Realm of Darkness does not act like an accelerated time chamber for people who go in it. It seems perfectly reasonable to go from there to the conclusion that she became strong enough to use the Power of Waking during this time.
Now, Chirithy's explanation of the Power of Waking seemed contradictory, because he said Kairi was acting as Sora's anchor in the real world, even when she was dead, and shouldn't have been able to do so. He also shouldn't have kept his form if nobody in the real world was holding onto him. I believe Ava secretly helped out and allowed everyone to cling to the real world with the Power of Waking. By all reason, they should all have become disembodied hearts in the final world after dying to the Heartless Tornado, but Ava stepping in is the perfect explanation.
Beyond that, if you re-listen to Luxu's dialogue about Ava carrying out her mission, it sounds slightly melancholic. I think he may believe that Ava died and went to the Final World as a result of using the Power of Waking on too many people at once. He could revive her, but he knows she won't join the Master's new plan. My opinion is that Ava could be in two situations at the moment.
Option 1: She is in the Final World as a result of abusing the Power of Waking.
Option 2:She successfully helped Sora revive the others without issue and returned to hiding until the time came to intervene again. This may be more reasonable, as Luxu just casually revived four Foretellers at once without any apparent difficulty.
Either way, since the Keyblade War just ended, it seems more likely to me that Luxu was primarily referring to Ava using the Power of Waking on the Guardians, not her mission from hundreds of years ago. It would be true that she had carried out her old mission, but I don't see why Luxu would bring that point up to the other Foretellers if it is no longer very important. With what Luxu has said about how Sora was doomed to die, it seems heavily implied that Luxu thought Sora was going to die, and that he only changed his mind when he saw the end result.
Essentially, Luxu would have figured out hundreds of years ago that a temporal rewind was the only explanation that allowed the prophecy to come true and still allowed the guardians to survive. Therefore, if the guardians won, that meant a time rewind must have happened. Beyond that, Young Xehanort made it very clear that he sensed how Sora had damaged his own heart, when he kept insisting that Sora had 'paid the price', and that the 'darkest abyss' awaited him. I think this knowledge did not come from YX somehow keeping his memories through the time rewind, but from him sensing the damage to Sora's heart/the overload of energy inflicted by the Power of Waking's cost and his abuse of it. So, if YX could sense the damage, surely Luxu also could. Therefore, Luxu knew that if Sora revived everyone and was somehow still back to life, there was only one explanation:Ava had stepped in and helped him, and that she was now either dead or once again hiding in the shadows. Him thinking Ava is dead would explain his slight indignation when one of the Foretellers said he'd excluded her. It seems that Luxu respected Ava's mission and is sad that she may now be dead.
Finally, one last bit of proof for this theory. Let's flash back to Olympus once again. What did Luxu tell Sora?
""I don't admire one guy leaping into danger if it means someone else might have to save him. You're all just lining up to lose out. Dooming others to take the fall with you."
This very much hints to me that he probably had long anticipated this possible scenario, where Ava used the Power of Waking and possibly sacrificed herself just to save Sora and co. He was foreshadowing to Sora exactly what he thought was going to happen, Ava going in to save him and dying as a result. Now, him saying that doesn't make much sense if Sora's survival was solely due to Kairi's influence. She was already leaping into danger along with Sora. It makes much more sense if he's saying that Sora will unintentionally force Ava to sacrifice herself due to his own foolhardiness and wish to save everyone. This also makes the Power of Waking make logical sense. If people in the Final World could revive themselves as long as they knew the Power of Waking, Luxu wouldn't have bothered body-hopping for so long. He would have just de-aged himself as a ghost whenever he wanted to, just like Xehanort did, and then resurrect himself at will. Instead, it seems very likely that there has to be someone in the physical world to revive you for it to work.
Overall, great video, this is almost definitely true and it's very well presented.
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Personally, I think Luxu was probably able to revive the Lost Masters at any moment in time, but the Book of Prophecies told him not to until the time was right. Him not dying like Sora could simply mean he's a much more advanced user of it who has mastered the ability, and that Sora damaged his heart because he was an amateur. Part of it could also be the state the masters were in. They were not in danger of fading away like Sora's friends were. I think that like Xehanort and Eraqus, they became ghosts with intact bodies. We saw them walking as they reformed into a tangible and physical form, and this implies they still had bodies of a sort, even as they were ghosts, and that they were conscious while Luxu was beginning to summon them into the physical world. Otherwise, they would probably have awoken from a sort of physical sleep and we would have seen their bodies be fully created by Luxu. How did they keep their bodies? I think it's the same method that Eraqus and Xehanort used:They transformed their physical bodies into energy, and this gives them forms even in the Final World.
It just seems like the most coherent and simple explanation to me. Kingdom Hearts was presumably sealed away after Xehanort's defeat, and although Sora got the X-Blade from him, Luxu did not suddenly gain the X-Blade's powers as a result of that. It seems like too much to me to assume that he is somehow secretly using other people's hearts or Kingdom Hearts as batteries when this is not shown. He didn't say precisely that he needed Kingdom Hearts to appear to revive the others, he just said that this was when he was when they would finally return. Easily misinterpretable, but that's Nomura for you.
The reason why Sora was told not to use the Power of Waking in that way could have just been that he was not ready yet. Chirithy's confusion could make sense if back in Union X, they didn't have a word for 'Power of Waking', and revival was a common ability. It doesn't seem like a fundamentally different power. My headcanon is that both relate to restoring a heart to its proper form and state, and that revival is just a more extreme application compared to awakening, one more likely to incur an energy overload.
Now, why does Mickey freak out and tell Sora that the power of waking isn't to chase hearts around? It could be that nobody since the time of Union X has ever been able to revive the dead, and those few wielders who attempted it since then with the Power of Waking died. As a result, it became taboo, and Mickey and the few other Keyblade masters still around are ignorant of the formerly common knowledge that revival could be done reliably and safely if you mastered the power of waking. In the past there were thousands and thousands of keyblade wielders, it is quite reasonable that the art of ressurection could've become forgotten. It's also important to consider that Keybearers have much stronger hearts than your average person. Reviving them could be easier than reviving someone who has a more easily destroyed heart that might have barely anything left of it to revive. So, revival in the past might have been much more realistic in war, and since there was an actual war going on, there was much more of a chance of this sort of revival power being discovered rather than lost and forgotten. It all makes sense when you consider that barely any keyblade wielders are left and those who pass on their arts do so to only a few disciples, so they would never risk their lives and increase the chance that the legacy of keyblade wielders will be completely cut short. At least that's my best guess right now.
I really do want the nameless star to be Strelitzia, but i feel like it’s more possible that the girl didn’t whisper “Lauriam” in Sora’s ear, given his reaction. I think it’s more probable that what she whispered was “Yozora,” hence why Sora recognized the name and was surprised. If so, that’d probably mean it’s the girl from the Verum Rex trailer, from whom Yozora was separated from
what if Nameless Star/Strelitzia actually said Marluxia(the name Lariam is known for, during KH:CoM, KH:356/2 and KH3...maybe KH2 if the absent Silhouette is canon XD)
Well your theory seems to be pretty much canon now so that’s cool
Okay, you’re fantastic at this.
Everything is so well thought out.
Concisely worded, and paced extremely well.
Stick around for a year or two.
You could have an absolutely unstoppable channel.
1:23 I just noticed the Master of Masters symbol has a Devil wing on one side, and an Angel wing on the other
this just makes me even more curious! What a cool story. Loving this series of videos still even after the finale.
Your editing is amazing, and In my opinion you deserve more subs
You're editing is so beautiful.
Watching this after Melody if Memory, we know now that the Foretellers were maybe in Quadratum.
The power of waking is described as a power that uses people's hearts in order to reach worlds. So I guess Luxu still used the Power of Waking to call the other Foretellers in Quadratum, and then they came back to the Keyblade Graveyard after hearing that call
Only one month and you’re already my favorite KH theorist on CZcams. Normally, I’m always really hesitant to watch any KH theory videos, but the “Ava being Darkness” one sounded too interesting, plus with how neat and clean the thumbnail was, it made me decide to give it a chance, and now I do not regret it. Had to immediately subscribe after watching it in.
And now...now in the middle of another well thought out and explained theory...you fit in a John Mulaney reference. How do I subscribe a second time?
I look forward to your future videos and am honored to be a new fan! :)
"Did you summon us back?" either means summon them back from the realm of death or from a data world
maybe they are Unchained?
How could CZcams hide me this channel I like your theories well done
I think Luxu and the M.O.M. are going to be god like beings, they way they both seem so relaxed and joke often for such serious things goes to show they aren’t even trying 20%. I am so excited for whatever is next, just a shame I wasn’t fulfilled with kh3.
im really glad you’re doing this channel. i love your blog and your theories, but reading long things has always been kind of a struggle for me. this video was very clear and easy to understand, also i like the way you did spoiler warning at the beginning that’s really cute
I’ve watched all 3 of your videos now and I really must commend you on how well edited and put together they are! I loved your info video for the channel, simple and straight to the point. Honestly well done! Subbed right away. Looking forward to what you put out next.
its rare to see someone state theories without blabbing too much , having organized edits and thumbnails and very spot on info. sadly nomura has to sell more so he cant have all the information in one game with all the answers . its our job to seek :)
Seriously loved the atention to detail
In the middle of all these , and while the xehanort saga is over, I want to say that I really appreciate Nomura exploring the organization's members, like Xigbar, Luxord or Larxene etc. and giving them space for the next titles. These characters looked mad interesting since KH2 and it would be a shame to get lost since so many new characters get introduced with each title.
Good Editing and Mic can def see you with more subs, keep it up!
Just found your channel and I love it! I actually have my own theory that the power to time travel is actually a loop hole with the power of waking. But if the Lost Masters were in the Final world this entire time then it makes sense that time travel wouldn't be used
I believe their hearts went inside kingdom hearts like everyone else's when they perished. Luxu needed to wait until xehanort opened kingdom hearts with the xblade in kh3 in order to summon them back from kingdom hearts. He was vessel hopping for centuries until kingdom hearts was unlocked so he could revive the lost masters for a reason we dont know yet
I really like this theory, but i dont entirely agree. I believe the Power of Waking was used, but not by Luxu. I believe it was Superbia (The Master of Masters). Here's my theory on it if your curious. In the Epilogue, it can be seen that the box latches have been unlocked, implying that the box was opened, but the contents are no where to be found. I think this is because The Master of Masters was in the box. This theory goes along with the 7 deadly sins theory that all of the foretellers plus MoM are named after the 7 deadly sins, and on the box "Superbia" is inscribed, which is the missing sin Pride that is absent in the foretellers. I believe, Master of Masters name is Superbia and he was in the box. After Kingdom Hearts was summoned, the box was openned and Superbia came out. Superbia then used the Power of Waking to resurrect the foretellers that perished in the keyblade war, similar to how Sora used the Power of Waking to save Kairi who died during the events of KH3. As a result, Master of Masters ends up in the Shibuya world shown in the Yozora cutscene (if i remember correctly, i believe there was an interview that confirmed MoM is the cloaked character in the Yozora cutscene). This makes sense because it is implied that Sora ends up in that world after using the Power of Waking to resurrect Kairi. This theory also supports why the box appears open, but Master of Masters is nowhere to be found. Then theres the case of Riku, who just by his badass nature, sends himself to that world to go save Sora, probably by using the Power of Waking or some other means that will be explained in the next game.
But, i really enjoy your theories and they match very close to mine! Like the Ava being darkness and Ava being the traitor theory. I have a bit different view on that one too, but for the most part i agree. I just love seeing the theories people have on all this stuff, especially if they are closely related to mine :p I love the way you lay out your videos too!
Thanks for all the effort you put in to this video
I'm just here to say I absolutely love your videos and how you present your information. It's a delight to watch.
Watched your video about Darkness and Master Ava, and now I'm watching this. You've earned yourself another subscriber! Love it!
Thank you for this!! I really enjoyed it, and this theory is very interesting. ^-^
Wait a minute..."Who traveled through time to be brought together again", but in accordance with the laws of time travel, a person must have ANOTHER OF HIMSELF to exist in that same time period. The only way we know thus far to overcome that is to place a heart into a replica, which we clearly saw that there was none found around the area in which the Foretellers' revival took place.
Gotta say I enjoyed seeing your theories. Love how kingdom hearts encourages those gears in our minds to keep on running, with our eyes to be sharp for any clue. Subscribed.
EDIT: I'm an idiot. xD I'll remember to comment AFTER seeing the entire damn vid, my bad. You already stated the whole replica part in the vid.
Don't even worry about it, I comment too early all the time haha!!
0:01 That sound almost gave me a panic attack
vDorgengoa LOL! I tried to fade it in to avoid jump scaring people, sorry if that didn’t work!
@@TheSecretReports 😂😂😂😂😂 It was my own fault. I shouldn't have had the volume in the red. Lol
I absolutely love your content and the way you present it. Keep up the fantastic work and I can't wait for the next video!
This is one of the best theory videos ive ever seen
I think Ava saved the other foretellors and Luxu merely summoned them back. Maybe Ava used the power of waking to save them(like Sora did) and she is in unreality as a consequence which would explain why Luxu couldnt summon her. "She completed her mission."
A major detail that eliminates the possibility to time travel is that, according to the rules laid out by Young Xehanort in DDD, "there must be a version of you waiting at the destination."
Meaning that (barring exceptions like Maleficent traveling into the data worlds of Uχ) a time traveler can *only* move along their personal timeline, from birth to death. There are no modern-day versions of the Foretellers that we're aware of, which means time travel is completely out of the question.
Did they ever explain how that one door at the Cornerstone of Light got there?
Damn, this video hit different.
There is one istance in the game where that weird vortex was last seen. And that was KH II FMx. The secret boss also has a vortex and then his body appears.
I just love what you do ! Everything is so clear, you have a very nice english that helps non english speaker like me to follow (and the subtitles are neat). The editing is fabulous (simple and clean ;) ) You should do more content, and you deserve more views !
The best editing around!!
Mind blown. Also, this is a very high quality video and theory. Keep doing these! They are great!!
You missed a key detail. The vortex thing to the keyblade graveyard happened twice already in this series which I am aware of; 1. At the end of KH2 FMx a portal opens up at the basement of the Disney castle. And Sora and gang walk through it and ending up at the keyblade graveyard. There they meet the Lingering Wil, who is the secret boss of KH2 FMx. 2. Luxu summing the Lost Masters at the end of KH3.
The reason I brought the up because 1. It parallels / mirrors the sides of what’s happening from both the summoner side as the one being summoned.
2. Up to the place of happening and details it’s the same.
This means that they either were already alive before entering / getting outside of that vortex.
I love the vibe of your videos, you got a new sub! Keep at it
First video I’ve seen from you just now, great work! Another KH CZcamsr I watch (don’t wanna call them out like this since I really enjoy their content) theorized that Luxu did pull the Foretellers through time before the Keyblade War, which is why they showed no tension between themselves when they faced each other in the Keyblade Graveyard, unlike in Back Cover. However, if you were dead for so long and brought back to life, you’re not going to try tearing each other’s limbs apart as your very first instinct. 😛
I am really curious if Luxu did possess anyone before Braig, and what kind of person Braig was before Luxu possessed him. I do also wonder if Luxu is defeated in the form of Xigbar, will both of their bodies be separated or something? Hmm. 🤔
I've always loved the posts from your blog amongst others that explore the lore and theories of Kingdom Hearts. Really excited to see future videos from you, especially with how professionally it's layed out and edited. I'm not sure what constructive feedback I can give now with such few videos at the moment, hopefully that will change in the future (in a good way that is). Keep up the wonderful work! (*˘︶˘*).｡.:*♡
Could it be that we haven't actually seen Luxu's keyblade? No name is MoM's, and Luxu's role was to pass it down. We do know that a person can wield two keyblades and not only that but we don't know if Luxu's animal motif really is the goat.
I think it's possible. Mickey wielded the Star Seeker that Master Yen Sid lended him, then got his own in the Realm of Darkness, then switches back to the Star Seeker... And also, we have to take Xehanort into account. Watching Young Xehanort and Xemnas, along with the Mysterious Figure fight in BBS, is clear as day that the No Name is Xehanort's keyblade, yet Master Xehanort wields a "lended" keyblade, the Master of Master's No Name. So yeah, i think it's possible that Luxu had his own keyblade, only that either he didn't want to use it to not attract undesired attention, or with successive changes of body, he lost the ability to wield it. Think about the training needed to manifest one's keyblade, and having to it (albeit being easier) each time Luxu changes bodies.
Then again, since he was always close to the No Name, he could borrow it everytime he needed to change bodies. It's not impossible...
Great video! Loved the sound efdects!! Amazing voice!!!
Good Video And I Looking Forward To See Your Next Post😊
Awesome work!! Really impressed w the edits as well!
Good job, this was well edited, made the video that much better :)
Amazing video, I give you a round of applause ! So much fun to watch!
Nomura pulling the RAFO card left and right like he's Brandon Sanderson.
We know that the power of waking is suppose to be used to traverse hearts to reach worlds. What if, via that method you can traverse into another's body as your traversing hearts.
Very good presentation nice job !
Love this channel I’m ready for more intel and insight for Kh3
It seems like the unlocking of the true kingdom hearts was an essential part of the master of masters/ luxu's plan. Both play a role in pushing xehanort towards this objective. Perhaps this is what allowed the foretellers to return, or granted luxu the ability to restore the foretellers without the risk of disappearing. That does leave me with some questions regard the master of masters though, because of the warnings he gives to the foretellers, it seems he may have abused the power of waking, and disappeared as a result, which would line up with his appearance in quadratum. How would he then have has the conversation with young xehanort though? I am not sure, but it maybe be possible that he travelled back through time to speak to him, after returning to reality
I think I'm gonna subscribe to you. Hope you keep this level of quality and frequency of upload
Considering MOM came out now, its more that they were in Quadratum and they just traveled from there, but who knows. Amazing theory regardless
Except that Luxu in Observations Excerpt 2 says "the Lost Masters will awaken" which still implies they're asleep. But it could be a mixture of both, seeing that Riku may have been able to visit Quadratum via the realm of sleep.
@@TheSecretReports yeah true I am theorizing quadratum might be something like a realm of the dead for a long time but I am not sure. After I saw this theory I was thinking what if the masters new bodies weren't created but they stole them from quadratum. The nameless star did got her body stolen Soo I started thinking what if they have a relation with each other. But yeah we don't know for sure. Mom did teach us that the lost masters did use to go to quadratum
I just found your channel and I LOVE the style of your videos!
Awesome content !
There is just one small detail that kinda bug me out is the point about Luxu being able to transfer his heart through other vessel without a keyblade like it’s something incredible and might be the power of awaking or another one we don’t know about. I've seen other theorist point that out as well and I was just wondering: wasn’t Terra able to do the same when he was still «the person behind» (that monster looking like a heartless behind terra-nort) in that scene in KH3 when he reclaim his body ? I know the situation is kinda different since:
1) He was trying to get his own body back
2) He was somehow connected to terra-nort
But if Terra who doesn’t seem to have any knowledge about how to release his heart and sending it to another person was able to do so, wouldn’t Luxu, who his whole role was about finding vessel through time to witness a second keyblade war, have simply better knowledge about how to do it ? It doesn’t look like something that remarquable to me.
It really isn’t that important but I wanted to share my thoughts about that detail.
Keep up the good work. :D
I guess the foretellers have become. The four tellers.
Yes, please end me.
i think that luxu opened a portal for another dimension. This new dimension was created by mom, and it is a small world. the porpose for this world was for relax/wait the 5 masters(ira,gula ...) except luxu. in this dimension tthe time is stopped like the realm of dark. and the small world of this dimension is twitlight town (always the same sunset). and the house of the masters is the mansion, it could explain the references of ira in the mansion. there two things more that i want focus. the white room and super computer. I think that the white room was for ava, namine used it after (i wrote the theory that namine is ava´s nobody in another video of this channel) . The supercomputer could be the data world of union croos. in kh2 we saw this computer with some cabins that have been used, the foretellers. We know that ventus will come back from the data world and casually roxas appereared ahead of the mansion. Continuing the theory of the mansion: why is yensid living near to that mansion ? and why is he preparing for the future, studiying mom and apprentices (kh3 blackboard)? solution: yensid has got the book of profetices. the master of eraqus(the protector),xehanort(attack),yensid(magic) gave to them one thing: eraqus the knowledge of protecting as eraqus talked to aqua "castle of oblivion", xehanort the keyblade (why this master put the keyblade like a trophie as we see in kh3? ) and to yensid the book of profetices.
love the sound effects, kupo
O.o this is the first time i have heard of the ava is kairi's grandmother theory... and it is disturbingly not unlikely
I love the Idea of them not time travelling. I've been thinking the same thing about Ventus, Marluxia, Larxene etc. I even have a method of how they came back. I can't wait to reveal it in a future video.
I'm so jealous. How did you get so good at editing. Isn't this your first channel? You also have a great speaking voice. The thing is even if I could edit as great as you my deep dive episodes are going to be so long I doubt I'd want to. However I still want to learn for my series known as 1 min theories.
This is my first channel in a way (I have a few random uploads of dorky recordings, and maybe some lyric videos from middle school like everybody else) but I also have a LOT of experience with graphic and webdesign, so that helps a lot in laying out everything in a pretty-looking manner. But yeah it sure does take forever LOL. Though 1 min theories are a great idea, especially for practicing editing. You can focus on the detail of the short video instead of being overwhelmed at much left there is to do.
I agree with this except that I think it was the master of masters who used the power of waking and that's what made him disappear in the first place. Check out the video on my channel where I talk more about it.
But didn’t Sora’s power of waking use time travel too? I mean Sora recovered their hearts and transport them at the time before they lost the battle but Sora also altered the past (by awakening Terra’s mind inside his armor) and change his present/future. Hence creating two timelines? One where they fell to darkness and one where the lingering will saved them. That will be the case but when he uses the power of waking to recover Kairi he does travel to the past but doesn’t return her heart to the point before Master Xehanort kills her but instead after they defeat him. Which makes me wonder how exactly the power of waking works?
I didn’t realise that was the reason why Master Xehanort was a portal
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Of course Luxu used the power of Waking like how Dyne did in FFVII w/ Barret and him when they lose their arms and after you defeat him after the battle after escaping Coral Prison. Also, Ava did indeed have her own mission as seen in KHUx and it's crazy/cool how it reveals to the players that this ending scene makes sense. Lastly, you forgot that Roxas woke up Sora in KH2.
Thats explains alot
There is also the possibility that what Luxu used was not the power of waking but another Power we've yet to see or explained
This is interesting
Fantastic video!
This video is amazing. I love your theory. It's done so professionally and edited so well. Greetings, keep doing an incredible work.
Haaa so I'm only just now getting to watching this amazing theory. Question. On the point about seeing the resurrection of the body/heart from the inside perspective via with Sora's Guardian rescue, the Ultimania interview does attempt to clarify that by using the PoW, Sora in a sense time traveled to the point before they perished, creating that singularity. So the process of 'awakening a heart whose body has perished' is more a matter of... going back to when the body did exist more so than creating it from the transparent wireframe. This goes for when he resurrected himself and we got a view of his first-person POV and Riku's sacrifice only to lead us to the Final World. It's a little muddled, but I simply took the PoW to be a tool to create these elaborate time loops, not so much summoning things from the past. Though, to be fair, Sora's subsequent rescue of Kairi does not fit this interpretation as there was no present reset in occurrence. They just kinda appeared (in the same way as the Foretellers?). The interplay with the time travel aspect compromises my understanding here. Honestly, I think you're very very right here I just need to get through this mental block. This is Kitsoa btw~.
HI MY LOVE!!!!! The keyword in Nomura's explanation though is "singularity" like you said. Meaning that the time loops Sora has been creating are NOT normal circumstances, I don't think. There is still the fact that Sora used the PoW on Ventus, and it's not like Sora turned back time all the way back to BbS to when Ven and Vanitas fought. Or when Riku awoken Sora's heart in DDD in a similar manner, he did not reset time to when Sora was falling asleep with Young Xehanort. So I think there has to be some other mysterious factor in Sora turning back time, as not even Young Xehanort mentioned the possibility of time resetting (is it okay if I say that made-up term instead of time traveling? Idk if they're the same or not in this KH logic LOL) and he seems to know a lot about the PoW with the whole "hearts traveling to worlds/vice versa" speech. Maybe they are connected, but we would need an explanation on why only Sora can reset time with it.
@@TheSecretReports I take your point! The possibility of heart-time-travel being added to the act of 'waking a sleeping heart' was a dose of speculation going around if I recall, seeing how Sora lost his body after the Demon Tide destroyed him and was potentially capable of the feat (an interpretation I didn't see a lot of sense in, but the time resetting element was rather unexplained). So I was getting a little tripped up. In regards to the mysterious factor making Sora turn back time, I've actually got a post in my drafts talking about the Ven/ Sora DDD exceptions that I'll give you a tag in. I was waiting to get part 2 figured out but you got me thinking! Thanks a lot Mel for such wonderful answers!
luxu has the power of space remember? as xigbar he uses space, he likely used space time to get them there.
Niclause Bayon or maybe his control over space is due to the heart of Luxu as one the original keyblade masters
Pretty sure Ava and Naminé share the same heart in a similar manner to Roxas and Ventus. I believe that's why Naminé doesn't look like Kairi.
Honestly I don't think they was forced more liked called to they answered by going there like hey why did you want us to come why are we here. That's why ava didn't come an luxu was a little surprised like all well
Ava is Kairi, that’s why they brought her back
Uh? Where does it say that in the interviews/ games? Because I never remember reading or hearing that.
@@gab4099 its not confirmed, luis is only stating a theory (which they should have clarified to not confuse people...)
@@jjoploo honestly my point exactly however that's probably not even close to what is going to happen.
Luxu: a keyblade to transfer my heart into a new vessel? That's for kids, I can do it with only my hands and one patch eye!
You keep calling the MoM’s keyblade NoName, but I thought NoName was Young Xehanort’s keyblade and the MoM’s Keyblade is called The Gazing Eye?
I totally get your confusion. Basically, both YX and MoM's Keyblades have been called No Name.
Before KHX and, more particularly, before Back Cover, Master Xehanort's Keyblade was always referred to as that-- "Master Xehanort's Keyblade", like in concept art or journal entries. I personally have NEVER seen it called No Name in Birth by Sleep (maybe it's the file name? I just don't know how else everyone came to this conclusion before BbS Final Mix came out) BUT Luxu does call it "No Name" again in Back Cover- both in English AND Japanese- after the Master tells him it's not called the Gazing Eye. But, it seems Luxu ignores this after all and calls it the Gazing Eye later in Observations. So that specific Keyblade has been called both.
YX's Keyblade has either been called "Young Xehanort's Keyblade" (concept art) or "No Name" (menu name from BbS).
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The Secret Reports oh that’s right, thank you. I always forget about Chi, Unchained Chi, Union Cross, and Backcover.
Why are we assuming luxu changed vessels without the keyblade? He could have very well just borrowed or grabbed it when convenient no?
Obs 2 says "Keybladeless", and I think the chances of him just taking the No Name Keyblade back from his line of apprentices whenever he needs it are incredibly slim. I won't think so unless he says something to imply it, personally. Plus who knows how long the Keyblade has been on the mantle seen in Scala ad Caelum. If there were a handful of early apprentices who had the No Name in hand before displaying it, that would mean Luxu would literally take it from them, and I just don't see how he could do that, especially with the implication he's been dormant all this time, waiting for the "scapegoat" he mentions in Obs 3.
Oh. I guess ive been assuming he hasnt been dormant and been actively involved ( or at least only a few degrees separate) with each succeeding apprentice; especially seein MoM interacting with YX
Well made video!
I get this odd feeling that Luxu is playing a much bigger game here than the Master of Masters. Might even be Luxu playing the Master or Masters due to how long Luxu has been around and the Master of Masters is else where NOT getting involved with the events and just seeing things through that eye of his on No Name.
It's just a groundless gut feeling but it is just how he is believe to be able to use the Power of Waking and not phase out like Sora was in his usage. Which leads me to wonder about that because Luxu and Ava have done their true roles. Are they still chained to the Master or Masters's will or design?
Might just be me going out on the limb here but Master of Masters seen in the secret video trailer in that city where Sora and Riku are seen in makes me wonder if he himself is not also a prisoner for 'ensuring' a timeline that only he can see, but is forced or ensured that he won't affect it.
Love ya
This HAS TO BE 100% correct. Just makes too much sense.
Who do you tink Luxourd is? I think its the blonde kid in missing link
He used Kingdom Hearts to wish back the fore tellers.
Absolutely love it! #newsubscriber
In light of the latest KHUX story update, im going with the theory the black box contains mediums for the Foretellers return. MoM says to time travel you need someone with memories of you and a medium. MoM’s medium being his eye inside the keyblade he gave Luxu. Luxu has the memories of the Foretellers and if im right the black box has the mediums.
they would need to actually touch the medium to gain the memory, since the box is still locked theres no way its for medium stuff, hell they don't even know whats the box for too since luxu does explain his role including the box too so its not related to them
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Well he could have a greater control of the power of waking do to, Space manipulation powers
I thought Maleficent and Xion got forced to time travel?
Luxu has possessed everybody that was apart of organization 13 even vanitus thus takes over there will usually through submission, xigbar's personality was very similar to the masters of masters (spot on) and Luxu knew his plan might fail so he saved Xigbar as saving the best for last to see the end of the neo keyblade war to complete the mission because clearly it wasn't completed
Luxu might have used another keyblade during the absence of no name
If Luxu did use the power of waking why didn't he disappear
No that isn’t the power of waking. It’s time travel. He summoned them
Skwintz Alright then, please, I implore you to explain how they time traveled. It’s not like they all just went to Daybreak Towns tower for the “ark” recently revealed, because Aced and Ira both imply that they weren’t summoned with their own will. Comments like this aren’t convincing unless you can back yourself up, my friend haha
Appearance in swirling vortex????
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no luxu has power over space that is how he got them there.
nothing makes me happier than to hear a females voice
Ventus Dude that sounds creepy...even if you mean well by that.