The Fountainhead (Ayn Rand) - Thug Notes Summary & Analysis

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    The Fountainhead (1943)
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  • @feist__
    @feist__ Před 8 lety +1805

    "That's what the book says" Love how he had to clarify that

  • @mkocel
    @mkocel Před 3 lety +107

    WHY IS THIS NOT CONTINUING? THIS SERIES IS BRILLIANT. BRING US MORE THUGNOTES!!!!

    • @stanleyteriaca2184
      @stanleyteriaca2184 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Agreed. So many books. Like The Hellbound Heart, Doomsday Clock, The Black Phone, etc...

  • @JohnSmith-im8qt
    @JohnSmith-im8qt Před rokem +38

    Arnold Schwarzenegger talks about this in a college commencement speech he gave. He hates people referring to him as a self made millionaire. He talks about all the people who helped him on his way up. It's a great speech. Arnold is a great man.

  • @HELLOWORLD-Domo
    @HELLOWORLD-Domo Před 4 lety +226

    Plz bring "Thug Notes" back... "It just don't get no realer than Greg Edwards"

  • @eulercharacteristic7718
    @eulercharacteristic7718 Před 8 lety +90

    _"Hey_ _man,_ _you_ _ever_ _heard_ _of_ _free_ _market_ _principles,_ _nigga?"_

    • @breakfastenjoyer
      @breakfastenjoyer Před 8 lety +11

      +Euler Characteristic _"I'm talkin about Laffer curves and QE shit my dude...rational actors shit, you fuck with that?"_

    • @nurlindafsihotang49
      @nurlindafsihotang49 Před 6 lety

      +K a p p a 7 7 7 like saying there were virgin trollop it was.

  • @giannistsakalidis85
    @giannistsakalidis85 Před 8 lety +555

    could you do thus spoke zarathustra

    • @Lyotac
      @Lyotac Před 8 lety +6

      yessss please

    • @zmail8566
      @zmail8566 Před 8 lety +3

      yaaaas

    • @maxstirner8717
      @maxstirner8717 Před 8 lety +9

      +zev piro
      Shut up Morty.

    • @MagiciteHeart
      @MagiciteHeart Před 8 lety +6

      +dinosavros black Oh my god, please please please! It's my favorite work from my favorite philosopher.

    • @maxstirner8717
      @maxstirner8717 Před 8 lety

      baartenkaas
      Dude, who the fuck are you?

  • @patrickdodds7162
    @patrickdodds7162 Před 8 lety +96

    I love Thug Notes. It's really thoughtful and really funny. It also illustrates a great example of "Don't Judge a Book by It's Cover"! Please keep up the good work, Mr. Edwards!

    • @nchlsglchrst
      @nchlsglchrst Před 2 lety +4

      I feel like a dummy for just realizing that’s the brilliance of this channel hahaha

  • @MusedMedia
    @MusedMedia Před 4 lety +227

    “That’s what the book say” I’m CRYING 😂😂😂

  • @shapaza
    @shapaza Před 8 lety +626

    Could you do "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" some time?

  • @ariwl1
    @ariwl1 Před 8 lety +935

    The Fountainhead is one of the weirdest books I've ever read. It's way more readable than Atlas Shrugged, but it's still hard to look at a lot of these individual characters and actually see people rather than mouthpieces.

    • @whitetuxmafiaandfilms5042
      @whitetuxmafiaandfilms5042 Před 8 lety +220

      When you really break it down, Ayn Rand wrote a self-insert, angsty, teenage fan-fiction

    • @CTCNathan
      @CTCNathan Před 8 lety +51

      +WhiteTuxMafiaAndFilms I'd say that's not giving her enough credit and/or giving FanFic writers too much credit, but she definitely had an issue with Mary Sue-ing her characters in a way. It's not that her books aren't well written though, it's just her characters that hold the books back, and arguably her philosophy depending on how you feel about it. I would argue she could write though, she just wasn't amazing at having more complexity in her characters.

    • @drawfiend3104
      @drawfiend3104 Před 8 lety +101

      +CTCNathan The point was to use her characters to represent what she saw as very specific ideals and philosophies. So yes, the ones she considered the epitome of good are good and infallible, while those she considered are evil and irredeemable. It's highly stylized and she was a follower of the romanticist school of fiction, where characters were more representative of an idea, rather than an attempt at depicting a realistic person. While I personally prefer realism mixed with romanticism, I still think Rand did a good job, since the characters were engaging, at least to me.

    • @whitetuxmafiaandfilms5042
      @whitetuxmafiaandfilms5042 Před 8 lety +22

      +CTCNathan I mean it's hard to argue that she could physically write a book...but that is where it ends

    • @CTCNathan
      @CTCNathan Před 8 lety +9

      WhiteTuxMafiaAndFilms I think she was a fine writer and not many average writers could write as much per book as she did, but had a lot of obvious problems that stops her at a certain point. You don't see many fanfics that are 500+ pages and using decently sized words, as a dumbed down example.
      I'm not really a huge fan, I'm just saying she had her talents as a writer as well as her points where she was bad. What she wrote was better than 50 Shades of Grey, for example!

  • @madmatrix30
    @madmatrix30 Před 7 lety +588

    Fountainhead
    Fountain
    Fontaine
    Dear god

  • @chrismcgraw2112
    @chrismcgraw2112 Před 7 lety +533

    I don't think pity was being used to mean exactly the same thing as sympathy, in this context. Afterall, the reader is made to feel sympathy for Roark as he struggles against all odds, but you never pity Roark. You know Roark knew what he was doing and was prepared for the consequences, that he was responsible for himself win or lose. You felt sympathy, but not pity. Pity is what you feel for Keating when you see that his suffering is all caused by his lack of integrity, by his lack of conviction and his lack of courage. His suffering is all self-imposed.

    • @deanwrx7001
      @deanwrx7001 Před 7 lety +12

      Well said!

    • @DeePScharge
      @DeePScharge Před 7 lety +5

      Here, here!

    • @brendansheehan6180
      @brendansheehan6180 Před 7 lety +5

      Amen.

    • @novikovPrinciple
      @novikovPrinciple Před 7 lety +27

      Yeah, I think pity wasn't equated with sympathy here. I think what Roarke (Rand) didn't like about pity was that to pity someone also meant to look down on someone. You can't pity your equal so much as you can pity someone who has fallen so low in stature that you can't help but pity them.
      Rand didn't like that pitying people implied that they no longer had any dignity left.

    • @Thoreaux
      @Thoreaux Před 7 lety +24

      Pity is still virtuous though, even as the insulting and undignified version of sympathy. As long as it's implied that by seeing someone's wretchedness you are compelled to soothe it, it's therefore implied that kindness does not need to be earned. The objectivist idea of merit before all is super anti-social.

  • @SpoopySquid
    @SpoopySquid Před 8 lety +418

    well this should be a fun comment section

    • @stratojim473
      @stratojim473 Před 8 lety +7

      I would probably recommend just not reading if my past experiences are anything to go by!

    • @collectivisedtoothbrush1265
      @collectivisedtoothbrush1265 Před 8 lety +12

      +Inkswitch the Unicorn ''Anarcho''-Capitalists just like 'Do you even Bitcoin bro?' lol

    • @breakfastenjoyer
      @breakfastenjoyer Před 8 lety +17

      +BUBBLEGUM GUN seriously lol
      >_ let's destroy hierarchies but then we have to establish one for the people_
      > pretending this isn't what modern society is built on
      > _hierarchy for the people_
      ishygddt

    • @ciarakenny1317
      @ciarakenny1317 Před 7 lety +2

      Inkswitch nah fam. just a bunch of us homies liking thug notes and how it helps us pass classes

    • @DriscolDevil
      @DriscolDevil Před 6 lety +4

      Mace yes, it is such a horrible thing to try to take down an establishment to form a new one. What good ever came from that?

  • @jamesdavidian8451
    @jamesdavidian8451 Před 7 lety +21

    That was great.. especially at the end when Sparky said "all OGs know they've been helped along the way." Cool stuff.

  • @hankrearden20
    @hankrearden20 Před 8 lety +9

    I've read Ayn Rand's works, and while I like her novels and some of her sentiments, I can't but help agree with your criticism at the end. We are social animals, which Rand seems to completely ignore, and it is only by cooperation that we survive. Well said sir. Good review.

    • @jdraven0890
      @jdraven0890 Před 8 lety +2

      +James Estrada I'm a fan of Rand and even her ideas, but I have to agree. Taken to an idealistic extreme, they ignore reality and simply wouldn't work across the whole of society. It's much like in Atlas Shrugged where she did a great job of showing what a disaster an authoritarian Socialist Utopia would be like - but then she sets up her own Objectivisit Utopia in Colorado.

  • @ZeldaboyOG
    @ZeldaboyOG Před 3 lety +7

    You aren't just an Original Gangster. You are a Classical Gangster. Thank you for being so inspiring.

  • @mrxXJD55Xx
    @mrxXJD55Xx Před 8 lety +120

    Please do Flowers for Algernon

  • @Radeo
    @Radeo Před 4 lety +12

    6:31 Wynand's is probably the hardest characterization to grasp in the novel --- what a great summary of it!

  • @ahikernamedgq
    @ahikernamedgq Před 8 lety +81

    That was the most insightful literary analysis I've ever heard.

  • @marktrella1305
    @marktrella1305 Před 8 lety +58

    Thanks for reminding us that generosity and compassion are virtues.

    • @stevepayne3920
      @stevepayne3920 Před 2 lety +11

      Sorry, but you missed the whole point of the book.

    • @nazmul_khan_
      @nazmul_khan_ Před 2 lety +11

      @@stevepayne3920 , more like that antithesis of the main point of the book

    • @stevepayne3920
      @stevepayne3920 Před 2 lety +3

      @@nazmul_khan_ Yes. That’s the point I was making. It is the antithesis.

    • @JacketsOnFire
      @JacketsOnFire Před 2 lety +8

      They are weak virtues. Shallow. I always say this to people who think selfishness is bad. If people agree that people should have value, then why shouldn’t I treat myself as something valued? If you see the people you’re helping in need of generosity and compassion, why not do it to yourself? I’m still a person after all. In other words, treat yourself as though you are someone responsible for helping. If people did this, compassion would be self sufficient rather than relied upon. Because if you were in a burning building your values of compassion and generosity would be thrown out the window. Don’t fool yourself.

    • @Beowulf54Mc
      @Beowulf54Mc Před 2 lety +1

      @@JacketsOnFire I mean, not really? Some maybe but other people have gone in to help people, even animals.

  • @EyeLean5280
    @EyeLean5280 Před 8 lety +192

    Just watched Thug Notes on "The Watchman" and honestly, Rand's story here strikes me as just about as realistic. I also find her depiction of the ideal man (rapist, arsonist) as a bit, well, less than ideal. Howard Roarke's odyssey seems a lot more like the puerile fantasies of the insufferable angry nerd in the next cubicle who fancies himself a persecuted genius, than the tale of an actual genius.

    • @swng314
      @swng314 Před 8 lety +16

      +EyeLean5280 It's not about him being a genius, it's about him sticking to himself. He could have shitty designs and still be admirable to Rand for his convictions. But yes, he is a genius, because Rand wrote him so.

    • @thelandlockedkaiju4820
      @thelandlockedkaiju4820 Před 8 lety +29

      +Steven Wang I suppose to her subjective standards that's well enough, but anyone can have convictions and stand to them. There's nothing special in refusing to adapt: modifications to paradigms necessary to move forward are infinitely rarer; why stubbornness and ultra-conservative (in the non-political sense) mindsets would be prized over being able to admit fault and progress when the stubborn refusal to do so is the default nature of humans when confronted is, to me, intellectually lazy. Additionally not bending to a change in climate is the furthest thing from objectivism: being able to modify standing models is exactly why science *is* objective, it's not attached to some preconceived truth and too stubborn to alter in light of new information, the way a Randian hero like Rourke very much is. In evolution it's not the one who's most resistant to change that thrives, it's the one able to change in order to be most suited to the environment. Refusal to modify for anything is, objectively, intensely stupid. Clinging to dumb convictions is even more so.
      I only bring up physical sciences because Darwinian evolution is the go-to explanation for most as to why morally bankrupt behavior is acceptable under Objectivism -- doing so as a demonstration of how you can't have it both ways, that one can't use the principles of a science to suit one's needs when convenient, then disregard them when the mood strikes just because one likes the idea of thickheaded dipshits standing firm in moronic ideals out of this romantic idea that sticking to your convictions should stand above all.

    • @swng314
      @swng314 Před 8 lety +15

      Riley Vandewater In the novel, it's the others who are unwilling to adapt. e.g. the argument with the Dean early on: the Dean (and others) are so focused on the idea that others had better ideas than them, so bent on the act of copying, that they failed to adapt to changing times. Roark argues in this way:
      "The famous flutings on the famous columns--what are they there for? To hide the joints in wood--when columns were made of wood, only these aren't, they're marble. The triglyphs, what are they? Wood. Wooden beams, the way they had to be laid when people began to build wooden shacks. Your Greeks took marble and they made copies of their wooden structures out of it, because others had done it that way. Then your masters of the Renaissance came along and made copies in plaster of copies in marble of copies in wood. Now here we are, making copies in steel and concrete of copies in plaster of copies in marble of copies in wood. Why?"

    • @aynrandhero8901
      @aynrandhero8901 Před 8 lety +9

      +Riley Vandewater - Agreed with basically everything you said EXCEPT the idea that you are criticizing Ayn Rand. You might be responding only to +Steven Wang's description, but the REASON that Roark sticks to his convictions is that he loves what he does - he approaches it as an art. So, he isn't clinging to dumb convictions, his understanding is deep, and other people's are shallow. Because he loves his art, he is open to other people's ideas, but he only incorporates ideas that are DEEPER and more profound than his. He learns from Henry Cameron, because Henry is profound. He ignores Ellsworth Toohey because Ellsworth is a hack.
      So, again, you are correct - you just aren't critiquing Ayn Rand.

    • @thelandlockedkaiju4820
      @thelandlockedkaiju4820 Před 8 lety +12

      AynRandHero That's fair; I suppose I really wasn't critiquing her, or her work, so much as the ideology that informed her work. An ideology that opens itself to such critique by encouraging stagnation for the sake of how it makes one feel -- a key reason why I find its name so contradictory.
      To critique her work, though, I'm not all too fond of characters who remain largely static and still come out on top. Especially when, as the main character, the arc is yours for the taking. While for Rourke his firmness is driven by his love for his way of creating his art above all else, and that is absolutely commendable even had he remained a failed artist, this is simply one facet of such immobility. Developing as a character and going through an arc rather than starting out as the best but misunderstood and ending up still the best just doesn't make for interesting or compelling drama. For me, from a narrative angle, it makes the story and character read as stale. That firmness stands at the core premise of her work here, such that there's a passage dedicated to making the moral of this morality play explicit, and it's one that reads as firmly anti-development with an apparent disdain for so-called growth. For that fact the message it imparts comes off as impractical idealism that's equally misguided as similar blind ideals that objectivism would stand to oppose. To me that only compounded atop my flat narrative reading as a layer of non-functional hokum the story was designed explicitly to peddle, which admittedly may have colored my perception some, and to be fair it has been some time since my reading, so I may be working from a faulty interpretation. Perhaps I'll give it another read and approach it from a more objective angle.
      I'll let anyone reading decide whether that was a pun or not.

  • @autoclaims3011
    @autoclaims3011 Před 3 lety +14

    How am I seeing this now?! This is brilliant, please, more of this man describing deep philosophical books.

  • @NapoleonPicard
    @NapoleonPicard Před 8 měsíci +4

    Just finished this book, and I gotta say that this summary is pretty much almost spot on. Great job, sir

  • @komodo7595
    @komodo7595 Před 7 lety +45

    Man I've learned so much from this channel, and especially thug notes. Keep doing what you're doing.

    • @someguy2744
      @someguy2744 Před rokem

      Kinda unrelated, but keeping it real at 4:38 reminds me of Dave Chappelle's "When keeping it real goes wrong."

  • @michaelbeardsley776
    @michaelbeardsley776 Před 4 lety +40

    Overall, this is one of the better summaries and analyses on CZcams of the Fountainhead. Nice work. I would like to point out a few things. (1) Toohey was not one of Roark's homies. Toohey hated Roark's ability and independence. Although Dominique's and Toohey's actions are similar, their motivations are far apart. (2) Pity and caring for others are not the same thing. Empathy is also a distinct thing.

    • @mr.nobody2485
      @mr.nobody2485 Před 2 lety +3

      I'm so glad you get this. Thank you

    • @flibbettyjibbetts6766
      @flibbettyjibbetts6766 Před rokem +3

      Their motivations at first are actually quite similar. They both want to dominate Howard: Dominique because she’s been surrounded by incompetent men all her life; the thought of not being able to dominate a man, a man with the highest standard of ability and passion no less, infuriates her. She says multiple times in part 2 that all she wants to do is dominate Howard. Ellsworth also wants to dominate Howard because he wants to extinguish the light of society potentiated by free thinking creators (fountainheads) and throw the world into darkness as a result. So they’re motivations are originally very similar, though the reasons for said motivations are in fact different

    • @vblake530530
      @vblake530530 Před 10 měsíci

      Don’t have to like someone to be they Homie. Hell your Homie can the one that shanks Yo’ Ass. A Homie or “Home Boi”, just gotta have had shared some kinda experience with you. Your Hood, your Junior High, local Boys or Girls Club. Or in my case my Bois I went to medical school with or my Residency in Internal Medicine. Mount Sinai School of Medicine, Class of 1984!

  • @rbdriftin
    @rbdriftin Před 8 lety +41

    Seeing a new Thug Notes video is a wonderful feeling

  • @prettybad6858
    @prettybad6858 Před 8 lety +25

    I don't think I've seen anyone request this one yet, but I would really love to see your take on John Dies at the End

  • @EgalitarianElf
    @EgalitarianElf Před 8 lety +17

    I love this forum! I have never heard of many of these books before and I hope I can catch up with all of you all.
    I'm definitely looking forward to making a list of good reads for the summer!

  • @Obzver
    @Obzver Před 8 lety +131

    First off, love your series, I'm a big fan of your work.
    Second I am going to have to respectfully disagree with your comment that Howard Roark didn't believe in helping others or respecting them as they were. It is because he respects man as an individual that he finds pity so egregious.
    There were many occasions where Howard would help those he found shared ideals with. He helped Steven Mallory when he was going through his own mess and would share what little he had (after the religious museum incident) to help him out, never asking for anything in return.
    What he says about pity is exactly as you read, "without respect of the man, pity is a deranged feeling". He always had respect for those who had a sense of themselves or those who fought the good fight with the daily grind. The only man who he ever showed "pity" towards was Peter Keating, near the end of the book and who, by his own definition, was a broken man who gave up everything he ever cared for in order to get higher up in a world that never cared weather he succeeded or failed in anything he did.

    • @nurlindafsihotang49
      @nurlindafsihotang49 Před 6 lety +8

      many people failed to see Raynd's subtle potrayal of him

    • @igotthejuice
      @igotthejuice Před 5 lety +4

      Gotta shit on Rand a little bit for the weak leftist types.

    • @CapitainMarvell
      @CapitainMarvell Před 5 lety

      Thanks for that

    • @cemarz
      @cemarz Před 5 lety +4

      He's spot on. Your mistake is that you equate (for no reason) respect with helping people. This is a false equivalency, particularly so with Rand. Rand believed that any action of 'helping' a person is an action of trying to help yourself. Nothing else. She did not believe you should actually help or consider others.

    • @avadon7849
      @avadon7849 Před 5 lety +5

      @@cemarz this is a legitimate question and not meant to troll. But if that's the case then why would Roark help Keating so much throughout the novel?

  • @jayadrathabose31
    @jayadrathabose31 Před 8 lety +422

    Feeling _pity_ and feeling _empathy_ ain't the same thing. One stems from condescendense, the other stems from your ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes.
    Jus' sayin'.

    • @drawfiend3104
      @drawfiend3104 Před 8 lety +17

      +Jayadratha Bose *Thank you*. It was on the tip of my tongue.

    • @SturFriedBrains
      @SturFriedBrains Před 8 lety +2

      Yes, thankyou. I had a much more wordy explaination, but yours is way better

    • @zedek_
      @zedek_ Před 8 lety +49

      Bullshit. What is the basis for your claim? Condescension is not mutually inclusive with pity. Never has been.
      Further, empathy and pity aren't mutually _exclusive_ either. A synonym for "pity" is "sympathy".
      If you *have* empathy when you see the starving child, you will then *feel* pity/sympathy.

    • @mejsmith1
      @mejsmith1 Před 7 lety +32

      Wrong, you can't feel empathy for things you haven't experienced. Empathy means you can relate to what the other is going through. I've never had to live in an unstable country where people starve, so I can't empathize. I can have sympathy and pity for them without any sense of superiority though. That just sounds like some BS used to justify your lack of sympathy and pity for others.

    • @robertnewman4854
      @robertnewman4854 Před 7 lety +31

      linguistically Zedek, your claim is correct regarding dictionary definitions, and synonyms. However, in context Rand makes it clear that pity, as she defines it, is not merely empathy but contempt for someone in a bad situation (typically of their own doing). In condemning pity in objectivism, it's this contemptuous empathy that she argues against. Jayadratha Bose is correct in his assertion within the context of this work. If you desire evidence for this, it can be found inside the book, or from reading some of her other works. Regardless of you opinion of her or her views, I recommend reading some, if only for your own edification with regards to this topic. It never hurts to have more ammunition, whichever side of the proverbial fence you fall on.

  • @MrHeartofdavid
    @MrHeartofdavid Před 3 lety +9

    Wow that was to coolest presentation of The Fountainhead I've ever heard. One of my faves

  • @bobthemonitor9697
    @bobthemonitor9697 Před 8 lety +112

    Could you do The Epic of Gilgamesh?

    • @falleneldor
      @falleneldor Před 8 lety +1

      +Bob the Monitor
      That would be awesome. Could do a whole series including the Enuma Elish, and their relationship with Genesis.

    • @Capriceious
      @Capriceious Před 8 lety +9

      GIRUGAMESH

    • @flashgmaing2967
      @flashgmaing2967 Před 7 lety +3

      ask and thou shalt receive

    • @DSQueenie
      @DSQueenie Před 6 lety +3

      They've done it now.

  • @jasonfountain_official
    @jasonfountain_official Před 8 lety +12

    I LOVE THUG NOTES! I've waited so long for this day and you did a good video!

  • @Eco419
    @Eco419 Před 8 lety +13

    loved that last part ,is a good way to explain pity

  • @alberta8122
    @alberta8122 Před 8 lety +3

    I'm so happy that this channel is almost at 1 million it deserves it :)

  • @ShineAqua
    @ShineAqua Před 8 lety +3

    I've been missing these lately, thanks for posting a new one.

  • @kyleserrecchia7234
    @kyleserrecchia7234 Před 8 lety +6

    Great video!
    On that last bit, the pity mentioned was for someone irredeemable, as it says in the passage quoted. Ayn Rand was not against feeling sorry for people who deserved it or who had the potential for change (and the book makes this very clear in many parts as Roark, the ideal man, does just that) but she was specifically not speaking about such a case. People who are irredeemably bad do exist and pity for them is anything but a virtue. "Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent."
    Also, Ayn Rand is not against being generous to others at all. She is actually very much in favor of generosity and her works demonstrate this with many of her best characters being very generous. She just isn't for giving the unearned or undeserved. That's all.

    • @breakfastenjoyer
      @breakfastenjoyer Před 8 lety +1

      yeah she's probably the most largely misunderstood writer in modern literature. She was very reasonable beyond politics. I studied her stuff for a while. A good number of gems 👌

    • @kyleserrecchia7234
      @kyleserrecchia7234 Před 8 lety +1

      Oh yeah. One need not look further than the comments on this video to see the typical misunderstandings and misrepresentations about her ideas, not to mention the ones I mention from the end of this video.
      And I adore her entire corpus, not just her political thought too.

  • @EddieStar1
    @EddieStar1 Před 8 lety +16

    another classic. been waiting forever for thug notes.💯

  • @williamolsen20
    @williamolsen20 Před 7 lety +5

    Really concise analogy, as well as entertaining as hell; kudos to you my good man.

  • @jeffbeamer9882
    @jeffbeamer9882 Před 4 lety +22

    "Roark don't flow with that mess!"

  • @Volstreed
    @Volstreed Před 8 lety +6

    "Girl got a serious hater streak in her" Looool. 3:51 was a highlight for me, too. The whole video is just good.

  • @legoinsomniac
    @legoinsomniac Před 8 lety +115

    It's hard to hate Ayn Rand though, cause without Atlas Shrugged, we wouldn't have Bioshock.

    • @R3dCha0s
      @R3dCha0s Před 8 lety +49

      +Lego Insomniac that's the ONLY good thing that Rand's insanity produces.

    • @Ithaka1290
      @Ithaka1290 Před 8 lety +5

      I'm enjoying reading it just now, disagreeing with most of it, but it's a change from what I'm used to

    • @Tonyminermedia
      @Tonyminermedia Před 8 lety

      haha yes

    • @Guciom
      @Guciom Před 8 lety +6

      +Lego Insomniac We would have Bioshock, only that it would not be set in the Art Deco style world. In the early stages of development the game was meant to take place in an abandoned soviet bunker/research facility.

    • @TulipQ
      @TulipQ Před 8 lety +17

      +Lego Insomniac I mean, that is kinda like saying without Hitler we wouldn't have Wolfenstien, therefore Hitler is difficult to hate.

  • @BonahBBamison
    @BonahBBamison Před 8 lety +56

    Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

  • @RogerFusselman
    @RogerFusselman Před 8 lety +2

    I've been an Objectivist for decades now, and I can tell you Thug Notes did a largely accurate job on the summary and on some of the analysis, particularly the characters. That's pretty amazing an act of summarizing, given that this is a novel of over 600 pages. Thug Notes makes some minor errors: 1) there's nothing in the novel against helping others, and in fact Roark does help a struggling artist named Steven Mallory; 2) the pity remark was meant in the context of Peter Keating falling immensely low for all his repeated betrayals of Roark and of himself, and it's not meant to suggest that forgiveness is wrong, as they do the video; and 3) it's better to review "The Fountainhead" as its own work rather than bring in aspects of Objectivism not really covered in the "The Fountainhead." I'd say everyone should read this novel; it's a must for an especially cool life, and reading is mandatory if you're going to review it in any context.

  • @randomjoe7160
    @randomjoe7160 Před 7 lety +6

    This is one of my favorite books of all time and I thought this was a fantastic video, officially love this channel.

  • @raipogonowski8450
    @raipogonowski8450 Před 8 lety +7

    Love this series keep it up.

  • @jordansprackman6059
    @jordansprackman6059 Před 5 lety

    I have been wondering if there were any critics on CZcams who know what they are talking about and have a good personality. Keep it up!

  • @TruthGuyOfficial
    @TruthGuyOfficial Před měsícem

    Wow! That is the best summary of a book this long i have ever heard... great job!

  • @fakjbf3129
    @fakjbf3129 Před 8 lety +4

    That last part is something so many people get wrong about Rand, though it doesn't help when even people who say they agree with her get it wrong as well. That quote is saying that feeling pity for someone is doing them is disservice. True pity means that you aren't seeing them as a real person, that you're defining them by their circumstances. And that's not what you should be doing, you should always be seeing people as people, and instead of feeling sorry for someone you should get up and do something about it.

    • @themoleman6806
      @themoleman6806 Před 8 lety

      There's a bit in Atlas Shrugged where one of the heroes helps out a homeless man. You just made that part make sense. Thanks.

  • @FightingRimbaud
    @FightingRimbaud Před 3 lety +3

    This had me in stitches. Great stuff!

  • @aliq540
    @aliq540 Před 7 lety +1

    I just finished reading The Fountainhead and i'm glad i decided to read it I can agree with the analysis of the book in the video

  • @edenmarble8048
    @edenmarble8048 Před rokem

    I accidentally bumped my mouse and clicked this. Stayed for the dude's sheer entertainment value. Subscribing cause I need more of this dude in my life.

  • @bailinnumberguy
    @bailinnumberguy Před 7 lety +29

    "Roark goes hard in the paint when it comes to his integrity."

  • @sinecurve9999
    @sinecurve9999 Před 8 lety +173

    The Moon is a Harsh Mistress!

    • @CybermanKing
      @CybermanKing Před 8 lety +15

      +sinecurve9999 Literally anything from Heinlein.

    • @sinecurve9999
      @sinecurve9999 Před 8 lety +6

      Cyberman King Literally!!

    • @daveholden6299
      @daveholden6299 Před 8 lety +6

      TANSTAAFL!!!

    • @dvepps6780
      @dvepps6780 Před 8 lety +1

      +Dave Holden unless u are in the economic 1st percentile or a multinational corporation based in Ireland. the free buffet is off-shore tax shelters

    • @daveholden6299
      @daveholden6299 Před 8 lety +3

      +DV “Eppish” Epps
      You apparently dont know how taxes work.

  • @StevenCavanaugh
    @StevenCavanaugh Před rokem

    This was FANTASTIC! This dude's voice is legit. I feel like Busta Rhymes is reading to me.
    I do want to object to his understanding of "pity" though. It isn't the feeling of "feeling sorry for others." It is the feeling that you should help another, not because you see the potential in him or that you see the good he could do, but that you should help him because you don't see those things in him and without your help he is in danger.
    It is different. Helping somebody down in their luck because you want them to be able to one day help themselves or another IS virtuous. Helping somebody who is entirely without admirable quality because you feel it is your societal obligation is NOT A VIRTUE.
    That is what this description of "pity" is about. "Pity" is reliant on the absence of value in the one to be pitied, "Charity" is reliant on the potentiality of value in the beneficiary of the charity.

  • @projectdante6042
    @projectdante6042 Před 8 lety +2

    Anthem is my fav ayn rand book can you do that one next. Keep up the good work, thug out

  • @macmedia1000
    @macmedia1000 Před 8 lety +26

    Can you please do Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea.

  • @DarcVader475
    @DarcVader475 Před 8 lety +14

    Can you make a Thug Notes on the short story of "The Yellow Wallpaper" by Charlotte Perkins Gilman?

  • @aynrandhero8901
    @aynrandhero8901 Před 8 lety +4

    Dude. That was awesome. As someone who has read the book a dozen times and loved it, you were spot on. Thank you.
    And, you missed the bit on pity. You said 8:10 that Ayn Rand suggested that "feeling sorry for others is bullshit." That isn't what she meant or what she wrote in that quote you used. She was saying that when you feel sorry for someone who is so f%$#ed up that they are hopeless and worthless, it is a sad, sad thing. You should NEVER WANT to feel that feeling. Pity is a sad, tragic feeling that we should wish never to experience - because we never want another human to be in such a sad state of self.
    Similarly, Ayn Rand would not and did not say that "being generous to others is for bitches." Roark was very generous with Wynand, and Steven Mallory for that matter, and even Peter Keating. He just doesn't take his value as a person from his generosity - he takes it from his creativity. Like YOU in this video - you created something kick ass beautiful. You created something truly valuable. You ought to be truly proud of it, as I'm sure you are. Was it generous of you to make the video? Maybe, maybe not. I don't care about your generosity, but the fact that you created something great. THAT is what Ayn Rand is all about.
    Peace out!

  • @NamedForANightmare
    @NamedForANightmare Před 8 lety +11

    I'd love to see you do The Hunchback of Notre-Dame by Victor Hugo, and/or The Monk by Matthew Lewis, two of my favourite books.

  • @louisalcantar8522
    @louisalcantar8522 Před 8 lety +12

    could you do And Then There Were None, please. I love this channel by the way

  • @R3dCha0s
    @R3dCha0s Před 8 lety +188

    Excellent as always. I appreciate that you took the step to criticize Rand's philosophy which glorifies self interest and disdain for the helpless.

    • @SturFriedBrains
      @SturFriedBrains Před 8 lety +31

      +Red Chaos You really need to actually read her books, and don't go in with preconceived notions. Her philosophy is nearly flawless, and it doesn't disdain for any group, simply for certain ideals held by some men and those individuals with a lack of them. If you can't understand her fiction (usually due to the fact that society is in many cases diametrically opposed to her opinions & it's hard to relearn what you've been taught since your youth, I'm not saying your not smart, I also originally hated her before coming at her philosophy objectively), I suggest you read her non-fiction, specifically Capitalism the Unknown Ideal.

    • @dr_jamie_ranger
      @dr_jamie_ranger Před 8 lety +46

      +SturFriedBrains Her philosophy is nearly flawless? She's not even considered a philosopher by academic standards because of how poorly she argues, and misrepresents other historical thinkers. Next you'll be saying that L. Ron Hubbard has a flawless critique of psychology.

    • @dr_jamie_ranger
      @dr_jamie_ranger Před 8 lety +33

      Name a rich person who makes their own food. Also, anthropology has shown that nascent societies used to hunt in packs, not as individuals. You're either American, grew up a rich kid, learnt all of your political philosophy from the internet, or all three.

    • @R3dCha0s
      @R3dCha0s Před 8 lety +32

      Atlas shrugged is nonsensical. If every capitalist in the world isolated themselves from the working class, they would come to realize that the only skill the elite have is paying people to do things for them. All the capitalist class does is extract and appropriate surplus value from the working class that constructs and manufactures EVERYTHING.

    • @dr_jamie_ranger
      @dr_jamie_ranger Před 8 lety +14

      Buying something is obviously not the same thing as actually making or providing someone. How do you think wealth is created? Do you think all wealth is determined by effort? We live in a world where you could work 100,000 hours in a clothing factory in Eritrea, and you'd make less money than a trust fund baby does in half an hour just letting his inheritance sit in his bank account, and you think it's because he's morally superior, or better, than the factory worker?
      Even more abstractly, if you imagine a world of absolute equality of resources and opportunities, even then, does it necessarily follow that disabled people, or the mentally impaired, should have to suffer because the 'strongest' think that having to share a very small proportion of their resources constitutes such great imposition to their freedom?
      No shame in being self-taught, many are. But I suggest you check out the following books before seriously committing to Ayn Rand's philosophy completely:
      23 Things They Don't Tell You About Capitalism by Ha Joon-Chang
      Discourse on Inequality by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
      And if you get a chance, read some of the debates between Rawls and Nozick's philosophy. I hate Nozick with every fibre of my being, but he's an actual philosopher, and his views are similar to Ayn Rand's, but he's exactly got some decent arguments.

  • @mastamere
    @mastamere Před 8 lety

    Man I love this channel. Why am I just now discovering it

  • @tessl6750
    @tessl6750 Před 2 lety

    This. Is. Incredible. Not what I was expecting ... Totally subscribed ❤️

  • @evanjohnsen5142
    @evanjohnsen5142 Před 8 lety +3

    I'd love to hear you folks cover some Milan Kundera like "Immortality" or "The Unbearable Lightness of Being". Great episode by the way. Thumbs Up.

  • @LOBOPIX
    @LOBOPIX Před 6 lety +3

    Just stumbled on this - great approach and graphics(!!!). You could maybe go into schools, or After School Clubs, young peeps would love this. Some serious inspirational originality.

  • @maxmair8416
    @maxmair8416 Před 2 měsíci

    This was brilliant. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you.

  • @OpnDoarPlcy
    @OpnDoarPlcy Před 7 lety +1

    The faces you chose to represent the Characters in The Fountainhead looked very similar to the way I had imagined them when I read it. Especially Dominique Franken. Ellsworth Toohey, not so much here though as I had him down as looking more like David Patrick Kelly. Great summary, thanks Thug Notes.

  • @StellaWaldvogel
    @StellaWaldvogel Před 3 lety +8

    Great summary. And it saves us from the ordeal of reading Ayn Rand.

    • @qeoo6578
      @qeoo6578 Před 3 lety

      Why do u hate her

    • @StellaWaldvogel
      @StellaWaldvogel Před 3 lety +3

      @@qeoo6578 Because she pushed the idea that unfettered self-interest is good and altruism is destructive. That's sociopathic.

    • @qeoo6578
      @qeoo6578 Před 3 lety +1

      @@StellaWaldvogel living for yourself is moral. You only have 1 life & you need to maximize it. You need to pursue your dreams

    • @StellaWaldvogel
      @StellaWaldvogel Před 3 lety +2

      @@qeoo6578 When talking about Rand, "living for yourself" and "pursue your dreams" are euphemisms for a failed, hate-driven philosophy that renders its adherents incapable of functioning as contributing members of society, and unfit to spend time in the presence of other people.

    • @qeoo6578
      @qeoo6578 Před 3 lety +2

      @@StellaWaldvogel wrong. She never said for people to disregard other humans. She believed in trading with other people & she valued all human life. Do you prefer people to live for others?

  • @laurenconrad1799
    @laurenconrad1799 Před 8 lety +5

    Yay! I've been dying for another Thugnotes video. I would love to see more of those Boss Bitch videos, too.

  • @Drumsgoon
    @Drumsgoon Před 8 lety +1

    Good summary and analysis:)
    Great book!

  • @blitzburgh1584
    @blitzburgh1584 Před 7 lety +1

    Awesome man! Loved this video, especially some of the esoteric references like "in the paint"!!! Great work!!! (I bet you'd be a monster in the paint) :)

  • @killertofu9188
    @killertofu9188 Před 8 lety +14

    Sparky, do you personally read all the books you review? If so, you're realer than Rourke.

  • @davidbowen5621
    @davidbowen5621 Před 8 lety +15

    "We" by Yevgeny Zamaitin

  • @topleetcoder8610
    @topleetcoder8610 Před 3 lety +1

    this is a channel i did not know I needed. thank you :P

  • @himmyhendrix845
    @himmyhendrix845 Před 2 lety +2

    I’d cry if they brought this series back

  • @darnact
    @darnact Před 8 lety +13

    William Burroughs' "Naked Lunch" perhaps?

    • @OfficialChrissums
      @OfficialChrissums Před 8 lety +1

      +darnact that shit is impossible analyse XD At least not in a 10 minute video lol

  • @flyingfshsndwch
    @flyingfshsndwch Před 8 lety +5

    Thank you for this video, intelligent and balanced as always, "all OGs know that."

  • @swift71
    @swift71 Před 6 lety

    bravo, my friend. you are a true humorist and very fun to listen to

  • @giusmaximus3541
    @giusmaximus3541 Před 2 lety

    Great...fabulous...very easily understood..and entertaining exegesis.
    Thanks..

  • @M2Mil7er
    @M2Mil7er Před 8 lety +8

    I borrowed Atlas Shrugged from a state funded library. I learned that Objectivists need to receive empathy and altruism more than most.

    • @bumblebee2511
      @bumblebee2511 Před 8 lety +2

      +mysterywhiteboy72 What gave you that conclusion? Most objectivist's are happy, functional people.

  • @debaiona
    @debaiona Před 8 lety +5

    Great job, except for the last bit at the end. Not feeling pity for someone (of the type Rand describes) doesn't mean you can't empathize with them. Empathy seems to be what you're attempting to describe, but that's not what Rand was describing. One can empathize with and support someone without pitying them.

  • @lloydbotway5930
    @lloydbotway5930 Před 5 lety +1

    Best and funniest summary of the story I've ever heard.

  • @anfstar
    @anfstar Před 4 lety

    Dude this is AWEsome! Thank You!

  • @blackoperation14
    @blackoperation14 Před 8 lety +61

    It's not that feeling sorry for someone is bad, it's the idea that compassion without respect is condescending. If you empathize with ones problems without respecting the person, then you are simply looking down on them.

    • @mastertheillusion
      @mastertheillusion Před 8 lety +6

      +Eddie Marz Then it is not compassion.

    • @BuFFoTheArtClown
      @BuFFoTheArtClown Před 8 lety +4

      +mastertheillusion Yeah, it's pity.

    • @adius256
      @adius256 Před 8 lety +15

      +Eddie Marz That's more nuance than what's actually in the book, though. There's no caveat to Rand's hatred for compassion, it was all black and white from her point of view.

    • @Ralndrath
      @Ralndrath Před 8 lety +3

      +Eddie Marz Respect is earned, not just given. I think nowadays people use 'respect' instead of common courtesy. When I see a homeless man on the street I can't exactly respect them because I don't know them. But can't disrespect them either. But still will give them change, because, well. Why not? Perhaps I can respect the fact that they're not too proud to ask for help. But at the time I won't think that. Maybe it's condescending because I am feeling sorry or pitying them, but if it helps them, even a little. Doesn't the ends justifies the reason?

    • @blackoperation14
      @blackoperation14 Před 8 lety +2

      Ben Agar one thing I've learned is the ends never justify the means

  • @Abraxas948
    @Abraxas948 Před 8 lety +15

    You guys need to do Steppenwolf by Hesse

  • @MichaelSoucy
    @MichaelSoucy Před 6 lety

    Nice balanced review and critique, well done.

  • @marvin6844
    @marvin6844 Před 9 měsíci

    You don't t know how much i miss this form of content.

  • @jackwilson8700
    @jackwilson8700 Před 8 lety +13

    Just finished this a little less than a month ago. Fantastic read. Wonderful philosophy. Highly underrated.

  • @euler2589
    @euler2589 Před 3 lety +51

    I read Ayn Rand when I was young. I wish I had the time back.

  • @jdraven0890
    @jdraven0890 Před 8 lety

    Great summary and analysis! Subbed

  • @polver
    @polver Před 8 lety

    Welcome back. Missed your vids.

  • @lolasnormandy
    @lolasnormandy Před 8 lety +8

    Do more Vonnegut! Cat's Cradle to be exact, it's my favorite book by him :)

  • @been1283
    @been1283 Před 8 lety +3

    Would love to see your take on 'Sir Gawain and the Green Knight', love y'all.

  • @charles360
    @charles360 Před 3 lety +1

    wow. you nailed it. I read the book a bunch of times.

  • @bvscfanatic
    @bvscfanatic Před 7 lety +1

    This is the most unique book review I have ever seen, and I fucking LOVE it. You, dude, are beautiful.

  • @dimaconn1665
    @dimaconn1665 Před 8 lety +23

    Do "Confederacy of dunces" next, do it! Come on do it!

    • @xo4812
      @xo4812 Před 4 lety +2

      Dima Conn love that book!!

  • @theengagedfew
    @theengagedfew Před 8 lety +10

    Pity is dehumanizing, especially in the context that you were quoting, because Roarke was saying of Peter, "It's just so *sad* that this man, who could've made something of himself, chose instead to sell himself off, piece by piece.." What a querulous little worm he is, however, and it must be said that Peter was the product of his choices, and Roarke was right to judge him that way.

  • @nthatomalope
    @nthatomalope Před 5 lety

    Excellent Analysis of a very good book.

  • @thelastyoutuber1624
    @thelastyoutuber1624 Před 8 lety

    Great channel guys!!