The Case of John Straffen: Britain's Longest Serving Prisoner | Murder Casebook | Real Crime
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- Child killer John Straffen was spared the noose in 1951 because of his low IQ; he later escaped Broadmoor and struck again.
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This guy lured children into a field, so that no one would see him kill. He sure as hell knew right from wrong!!!!!
My thoughts exactly
He’s a monster!
You said it before I could.
But he did not take any measures in not being seen to do it, or care if he was seen before or after with the children. His mental capacity was that of a child, like a child he might have an idea of what is right and wrong, but goes ahead and does things anyway without bothering to think about the consequences.
@@janetpendlebury6808 yes, psychopath
Being a child in a man's body brutally murdering innocent little girls, makes it even worse. A child killing another child.
but untill we know exactly how a normal child ends up growing into an adult monster we can't stop the next wave of killers.
KNwing their damage can not be an excuse for a more lenient sentence, but it can help us stop the next child being abused to the point where they break and end up as deformed as this dude Straffen. (incidentally, 'straffen' is dutch vor 'punishment', what's in a name, eh)
Straffen was a monster. RIP little girls. So sad.
Ironically, straffen means to punish and punishments in Dutch. In German as well but with a single f.
So he has an IQ of 58 and he escaped from Broadmoor
Good point lol
As they said, IQ doesn't guarantee you'll be successful and some people with lower IQs are very successful. Delays are unique to individuals. He was also caught 4 hours later. So it wasn't some great escape.
Maybe they should I Q test the guards...
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Oh, dear Lord! A low IQ doesn't mean you can't kill.
"She's dead, but you can't prove I did it." Sounds to me like someone who knows he did something wrong: why else would the police want to 'prove' that someone did it?
We also have people with very high IQ's that gone on to be murderers & serial killers. Labelling is not a predictor of future behaviour
I thought the same thing. Iq its not indicator of how evil can person get.. For me in this case its just unusual, which is the reason they are focusing on the low iq as the reason of this guy behavior..
There's no such thing as a predictor that always be present in the event of a crime or always absent in the case of a non criminal. If we were to follow your standard, there would be no such thing as predictors.
This "Edmund Kemper existed, so there is no correlation" is just dumb. Nothing works that way.
They've detected an inverse correlation between iq and willingness to commit murder. There *are* questions to be raised about that, as things are not always as they appear, but "there are high iq murderers" contributes absolutely nothing.
Yes, indeed. Not all psychopaths go on to be murderers or criminals, and some are actually people who do a lot of good in society in medical, legal and all kinds of professions. It's all very complex and interesting. Though, it'd be nice if it was less interesting I guess - cos things like this wouldn't happen.
They say so in the documentary, some murderers had very high IQs. But the majority doesn't.
We are not defined by our intelligence alone.
Sounds like he should have been institutionalized from day one. A nice, structured environment for life.
I love how those two men act like school boys when doing the I Q test, joking and laughing, and drop dead serious and silent once they know their results. That's the reaction of modest men.
Prayers for the Innocent Victims, and their Families.🥀🥀🥀🥀💔💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
I was told in my psychology class that IQ measures your ability to learn.
I suppose there are different IQ tests. The one I did was very geometrical. I had the impression it tested my capability to assess situations quickly, not the learning abilities.
So, in the end, an I Q test is not representative.
Those Defenseless, Precious Little Ones! How Heartbreaking!! And Revenge against the Police??!!? Those Children were Innocent! Poor Little Babies!🥀🥀🥀🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️
Extremely heartbreaking that the reason that most of these murders/rapes etc happen is because the justice system failed these innocent people.
How does that apply in this case
"What would you do if I killed you?"
"What is die," for $100, Alex."
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Seems amazing the public survey overwhelmingly wanted to 'reprieve' him even after what he'd done during only 4 hours out on his own besides the other child murders he was previously convicted of!
He was never convinced of the first 2 dead girls he didn't even go to trial over them
The public only wanted him reprieved of hanging, which was done, as they stated you cannot hang someone who is mentally deficient. . He always admitted his crimes, except the last one, which he always maintained he did not do, so there is some doubt about the outcome of the trial. He should not have been sent to a normal prison, but sent back to Broadmoor, which is now a high-security psychiatric hospital.
@@janetpendlebury6808 I don't think he did the last 1 I think parents used his escape to escape their responsibilities he was caught before 6 and what loving parent would wait till almost 11 to report their 5 year old girl missing and from what I've been able to find it was classified as a high security psychiatric hospital when he escaped yet a "mental deficient" was able to beat their security and stroll 7 miles away stopping several times for tea and biscuits
The public is stupid. Let them visit him and buy presents if they care so much! They would soon find out his limitations despite looking innocent and boyish. He wasn't like a child. He was like a rabid dog.
the public likes to purge it's own guilt by attacking the killer.. classic projection.
but we are all guilty as long as we hear our neighbours, family members or friends hurt their partner/kids and we remain silent with the sad excuse that 'abuse is a private matter'.
It is not.
Because every serial killer is born in abuse.
It seems that there is a lot of speculation by "experts" on what is going on in Straffen's mind!
I laughed so hard when they found out what they had in IQ. Both reactions were hilarious 😀 they are really partners in crime.
This episode was great and very informative, I've never heard of this guy before until now, Thank you so much for yet another great video 🙂
Much love from Sweden 🇸🇪 ❤
Tina, we need timestamps
Mahalo from California
@@ashleelarsen5002 Do you mean the time difference between Sweden and USA:) ?
Sorry I don't understand what you mean about timestamps, I must sound completely stupid 😄
26:47 I am also unsure but if you are speaking about when in the video I have found it, hope this helps
@@tinag9138 No, not stupid at all
@@ProudDad1976 Yes that's the part! 🤗 now I've learned the concept of timestamps, we are never to old to learns something new 😊
kill a little girl picking flowers smh wow that's so heartbreaking. just an innocent child
I wanted to take a moment to express my appreciation for the work you do on your channel. The story of John Straffen is truly intriguing and I am looking forward to learning more about it through your video. I am impressed by the level of detail and thoroughness that you bring to your content. Your channel has also inspired me to start my own true crime channel, and I am happy to say that it is doing well. Keep up the great work, and thank you for all that you do.
Me too,me too! Thx!
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Definitely one of the worst of the worst serial killers I've never even heard of . . .
Hello. Before I watch this, I want to say, Thank You for the video.
The lack of common sense among the British villagers that he encountered is amazing
It's understandablle if it is a small villlage with no history of murders like that.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
"Imbeciles, idiots, moral-defectives, and the feeble-minded."
Just let that sink in.
Sounds like a description of elected officials.
@@alainpreveaux2428 Right?! That was my first thought too. :)
trump supporters....
@@tankthearc9875 Bwahaha--also yes. :)
Ironically, straffen means to punish and punishments in Dutch. Similarly in German but with a single f.
Also to strafe, in English, to attack repeatedly with bombs or machine-gun fire from low-flying aircraft.
IQ is not the key to figuring out who might be a criminal. You need to balance that out with 'Arrogance Quotient.' It's the ILLUSION of being smarter than everyone - arrogance - that trips up criminals. It's MORAL low intelligence, not the ability to do well in school (which is really what IQ measures: how well someone would do in the next level of education for his age). You can be very intelligent and humble enough to realize that there's always someone smarter than you (or that an entire local or national or even international police organization, working together with forensic scientists, might be 'smarter' than you), and you'll be less likely to imagine that you can get away with a crime because you have the humility to know that other people could outsmart you.
It's the MORALLY sub-normal 'quotient' that counts here: people whose arrogance - which has nothing to do with school tests - makes them blind to the intelligence of other people (as well as blind to their humanity, dignity, rights, etc.). If they made a test for 'arrogance quotient,' they might have a better tool than IQ for identifying potential criminals.
It's not about identifying criminals. You can't. Also: one should not commit murder because one afraid enough to know one will get caught eventually, but because it is wrong.
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if Straffen was not spared the noose, a child's life would have been spared...
It is because of that acerebral mindset which has today-made it, impossible for such "free range" childhoods.
There has always been evil. Only now we have become more aware of it's existence.
Last year a very little girl just walked up to me and took my hand. Immediately, I asked her name. She gave it and after a moment of deep concern, I began seeking parents or guardian.
Luckily, a rather quick connection occured and then God be praised-happy ending!
Even now my heart skips beats at what might have been!
Please, everyone: mind your little ones. They are all our responsibility.
Ciao.
In my old city, sex traffickers would use children like that to lure in the new victims. It's risky to show kindness sometimes.
@@Alex-mc5yn I read a book written in the USA in the early 1950s, and same as what you said - a pedophile's young son was used as bait to entice tween and teen boys into trusting the pedophile
Why does he constantly re-introduced him self
Please put the logo at the beginning of the video like it used to be. Now it abruptly interrupts the intros very annoying.
They should have given him to these poor parents
To do what? Murder their other children? Or, if you're suggesting revenge - you might want to change your moniker.
Peculiar conicidence is that "straffen" is the plural word "punishments" in swedish.
Similar in german "Strafe"
After many years in mental institutions it did nothing to mould him for the better. He lived his developing years in institutions and yet came out worse for wear. Institutions back then were torture houses. Lobotomy was an horrific treatment performed back then, perhaps doctors used this on him and shock treatments too. An investigation into the medical treatment performed on patients like Straffen would be interesting to watch.
I have no doubt he was abused in those residential homes
A lobotomy would have been the right thing to fo: incapacitate him of murder.
The parents of Linda did not report her missing til 1100 PM?? WTF. She was 5 yrs old! That guy had been talking to her and they knew it. Even if he wasn't an escapee or no one knew it would still be on my radar. Incomprehensible.💔🤬
It seems vey suspicious that there was such a delayed wait to report her missing. Straffen was known to have escaped. Could the parents (guardians?) have taken advantage of this situation? Straffen always maintained, over 50 years or so, that he hadn't killed that little girl. I hoped the doc would have investigated that circumstance.
The parents were probably looking for her on their own, and when they gave up at 11:00pm, went to the police to report her missing.
@Berit S. Possibly. But it still is very disturbing. We're talking about a 5yr old.💔
I find it fascinating and confusing how many killers have brain issues. Some of them had an accident with brain trauma and then become murderers. I hear it time abs time again some form of brain trauma. It’s more than just a coincidence
agreed. more research should be done into this. but, i still think upbringing is a larger factor.
@@genkiferal7178a combination of upbringing, genes and externall factors. I think there is mostly more than 1 factor.
One of these interviewees can’t reason himself out of a paper bag. On the one hand it’s claimed the guy does what he does in order to anger the police; and on the other hand it’s argued he’s so mentally deficient he cannot connect his actions to the moral outcome?!? Hello? Make that make sense, please.
"I`m Fred Dineage" he told us at least 4 times. I`m am glad he did, as how would I have known who he was while watching this fascinating documentary.
The guy giving the interview **snap** snap *** you alive hello ?lmao
I doubt that's how baby brenda died..and the commentators were "kinda" rationalize his behavior...
He knew right from wrong or he wouldn’t have waited to not be seen
A goodly length of chain. A truck. And a gravel road...
KKK style you mean? Thank goodness we're not barbaric enough to have that in the UK.
To bad IQ isn't actually considered to be accurate way to determine how intelligant someone is. Its a very flawed scale.
Thanks buddy …
11:20 The killer said: she fell and hit her head, and was unconscious. AND YOU BELIEVED THAT? Maybe she did fall, hit her head and started screaming, which irritated him and he strangled her. Okay, that's possible. BUT here's the thing: he took the girl to a "different field". Are we to believe he actually knew where "better flowers" were, that this was genuine? LOL, we're not morons, are we. This was premeditated.
"What makes you do those kinds of things?" "How can we prevent this happening again?" We are still curious to a fault trying to rehabilitate or examine people like this, when all we need to know is "1 AND DONE!" YOU DON'T NEED TO KEEP TRASH AROUND TO EXAMINE WHAT MAKES IT TRASH
not releasing them doesn't prevent them from offending before they're caught the first time.
@@Stichting_NoFap keeping them alive doesn't mean they can't kill, escape, or cause any harm again either. Get them out of the living world if they can't be a human anymore
@@anyquestions9931 that's a strawman.
@@Stichting_NoFap what kind of simple logic is that ??
Ofcourse you can only catch them after first offence.
But clearly than , lock upp for live.
I do think kids safety is far more important, that a murders idiot.
@@dvangils227 I never said that's not true, another strawman.
Doesn't IQ also depend on age of testing?
Yes. People statistically reach their IQ peak at 15 years of age. After that they decline gradually with time
Their IQ results do not come as a surprise to me at all. I've always thought these gents to be of high intellect.
And,where was his family for support? Apparently he did not have a loving environment, just because you have low I.Q., doesn’t mean you want to kill.
These strange set-ups of the various experts sitting on bar stools in a corridor or in front of a jail cell, or sitting almost knee-to-knee on wooden chairs in a random room... weird.
Yes, agree. Weird. Why is it done? Also, the crazy camera angles and zooming in on prof's face. Why?
This is a terrifying tale! sounds like Frankenstein's monster
A part of the prison needs to be set aside for low IQ inmates. They shouldn't be with other prisoners. Probably putting him with regular IQ delinquent youth made him even worse. Low IQ offenders need drugs to lower their sex drive and need residential schooling apart from ordinary offenders. The facility needs to be as secure as a prison but families from out of the area should have low cost accommodation and get instructions from staff on the best way to interact and help their loved one adjust and be productive. Family members should have access all 24/7 so that sadistic inmates and staff will get caught, as usually they run rampant in such places. If he had been placed in such a place as a youth, he would never have been out in society to kill. Maybe with medication and the right supervision, he could have done routine work and not engaged in severe violence.
He waited for the couple to pass by then strangled the poor little girl, it seems to me he knew right from wrong.
He know exactly what he is doing.
So who is responsible for this monster ?before all this?
Only 11 man had escaped in 50 years I'd say that's a lot
I am not judge but I think we can guess where he is now. Just as he should be
So prim and proper. The UK and royalty knows best...🤣🤣🤣
He may have been dumb, but he was clever enough to escape from a high security prison, lol!!
Plus, he knew he was doing wrong; he even said, I killed them but you can't prove it was me! How is that too dumb to know right from wrong?
And, who lets their 5 yr old girl go cycling around the neighborhood alone?? And then not notice that she's missing, until after dark?? And then only reports her missing at nearly midnight?? Huh?
Fetal alchohol syndrome ? He had no idea what he was doing he could even have thought he was playing .He didnt know he was a grown man he would have related to people his mental age . Did he really know what dead was ? He could well have thought he put them to sleep. They give instances of what he says but there is no context ,he could just have been repeating what the police said . Escaping from Broadmoor , come on , kids are the best escape artists .
Bobby Cummings (sp?) Looks like Phil Collins the drummer and singer.
It’s so crazy that you all believe this. They blamed everything on the slow guy in town.
43:30 He maintained he did not kill the last one, you know why? Bc it GOT HIM to prison. To his last day, he maintained he'd been done wrong, he wasn't treated fairly. But this is NOT bc he was innocent, but because to him, prison made him sad. I don't know if you find this convincing, but I guarantee, this is why. Like a child, he just kept at it, I didn't do it. Once he saw where it had landed him. It is also possible that in time, bc he kept saying it, he even came to believe he didn't do it.
Either way, he was absolutely, incontrovertibly guilty. I'm glad the guy who believes him to be innocent is not one of the high IQs of this show.
I'm curious about the mother's consumption of alcohol during her pregnancy with him his characteristics and behavior follow the diagnosis of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome... his IQ wasn't terribly low, mental retardation starts at 70, his functional IQ was much higher.He was functionally intelligent enough to escape from Broadmoor. Encephalopathy is also related to the brain development being interrupted physically in utero during the first trimester. He logically knew he could instill fear in the first child he threatened saying he'd killed before. He understood he needed to trick the first little girl he murdered into a field where he was less likely to be seen. He waited for people to pass by before he strangled the girls. That reflects an understanding of right from wrong. The total disconnect of conscience is directly related as diagnostic criteria for FAS. I think this criminologist missed alot characterizing him as a child as if he didn't have responsibility. With out an understanding of the physiology and medical background his diagnosis was incomplete at best and incorrect at least. The diagnosis of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome wasn't known in the 1950s but the evaluation for this program should have caught it. The facial characteristics are obviously falling within the metrics for a solid diagnostic guide. Formal measurements would have been needed to confirm but visually the asymmetry is obvious. This program totally missed the target.
He is responsible
Wait Wait Wait!! Ian Brady had a higher IQ than Einstein and Hawking?
What a failure of the system rabid dogs get put down insanity that people have empathy for these people
Ppl who sorry for him need their kids to be in killer hands to know who it feels. Hang man him
How does somebody with a 9 or ten year old mind escape from Broadmoor?
Child killer? How did he survive prison?
Possibly somewhat off-topic, but has David Wilson got better looking with age, or am I alone in thinking that?! 😆
The surname "Straffen" means in Norwegians "The punishment".
I'm sorry but even a 5 or 6 year old knows the difference between right and wrong. I don't buy the fact that he didn't know what he'd done to me that's B.S.
5 and 6 year olds do not have fully functioning consciences. This is something that develops. That's why they're made to be cute. They'd be harder to tolerate otherwise.
Anyone who believes they popped out of the womb decent is either hopelessly lacking in self-awareness or is substituting *real* morality with sentimentality (and is the worst type of low-life, because the project a saccharine *pretense* of decency).
Children often know the difference between right and wrong, but not about the consequences of what follows doing something wrong. This man did not deny what he had done, except for the last murder which makes me wonder if he really did that one. He should have been returned to Broadmoor and not sent to prison.
At that age they know the difference between right & wrong ONLY for those items that have been taught to them. They are further constrained by brain development and windows of learning fir key items, that if missed are nearly impossible to teach later.
So step father got away with murder. Straffen had mind of child so told truth, why would he then lie and say he didn't kill the 3rd girl? Lazy policing, convenient scapegoat.
He might of be childlike, but he had the strength of a grown man. He killed those Three innocent little girls. He was in the area when the little girl got murdered. He dumped her like he did with the other two girls. Do doubt in my mind he murdered those three little girls. It goes to show that the police officers, and the judges ain’t as educated as they appeared to be, too many mistakes made they would of had him convicted. Childlike or not he was capable of killing people either way, children do kill too
That mug know.
He did know that what the police were doing was not to his taste. How come he is okay with killing a child who did not do anything against him. Surely what is not good for gander should apply to the goose should't it? No hti fellow knows exactly what he is doing. How about telling him that because he killed this child now it is the carer's turn to kill him?
Straffen means the punishment in danish.
I believe author/criminologist David Kidd-Hewitt would have topped them all in the IQ contest.
Who cares?
I was young in the fifties and the doors were closed. I played with my friends in our house or in theirs. We played only in the street wenn there were mothers to stay with us. I did not live in the countryside and I did not live in the UK. Maybe you had more liberties.
I was young in the seventies, grew up in a fairly big town and spent all my childhood outside with my friends.
Good on you UK.you might have protected that last victim.but so civilized! The backwards 2nd amend.loving americans would have judged him sane because he knew right and wrong.
146. 6th grade...
Third case definitely had a reasonable doubt. Possibly the parents using him as their scapegoat???? Who waits till 11pm to report a missing 5 year old!?? Definitely fishy. Although Im curious as to how he knew she was on a bicycle?? Maybe he overheard someone mention it. He seemed to like bragging about the other two children, yet denied the third all the way to the grave
It was safer before because of cultural hegemony.
I have a step brother that on occasion will mouth rude and hateful comments. I have whipped him time and again. But at times he will still remain the same . It's like he has forgotten what has occurred. .
What?!?! Stop hitting that boy!!! 😄 If he is just being rude; that's not a reason for him to be getting "whipped"!!! 🤷🏼♀️
Ever heard of Turrete's syndrom?
You are a nice brother😢
In my eyes turrets syndrome is only a word explaining away those hateful actions , he was a brat as a child, and he grew up having those same actions, he walks away from me treading on thin ice
@@tasmaniandevil7610 Tourette's Syndrome. Lewis Capaldi (singer) suffers from this and he is making it through life because people have taken to the time to understand it. Maybe you need to try and understand why your step-brother does what he does? Whipping is certainly not the answer!
I have a 127IQ
There is a youtube video of an inmate who explains in court why he killed his cell mate. Apparently the later had told him he murdered a little boy and tryed to justify it in detail. I don't know if this was real but this should happen more often, and the prisoner should get his sentence reduced, as he shows strong moral understanding.
Stop saying " in english history" it's "british history"....🏴
That's NOT TRRRUUUE, BECAUSE HE WAITED TILL THE COUPLE WALKED BYYYYYYY TO KILL HER, HE KNOOOOWWS "RIGHT FROM WRONG"...
Absolutely. The UK's criminal justice system is a joke
Between 85 and 115 is normal IQ ? Sheet. I am a subnormal moron.
Hahaha 😅😅
Like David said " This might be a career ending moment for me"
That part was hilarious 😂
@@tinag9138 An IQ test would involve a lot of scholastic stuff and if I'm off-beam and not on song then the score could be somewhat parlous. And I am not too crash hot on angles and geometrics. Deductions sometimes quite good then at other times totally up the putty.
@@jonglewongle3438 yes, that's the tricky part. Same here I'm not to much into math and alike. I'm more practical. I remember in school my dad helped me alot with math but I was more focused on getting the numbers perfectly in line 😃 than solving the equation 🤭
@@jonglewongle3438 "Totally up the putty" 😅 love your sense of humor 😄
I also loved how the two men dropped dead serious and silent once they knew their IQ. They are apart from the majority.
So it wasn’t only Germany who were practising eugenics.calling these places of detainment colonies says it all. What does it say of Australia and its treatment of Aborigines to this day? Time Britain left.
Death penalty for murderers regardless of circumstances. It's justice.
BS!!!!!!!
I would have thought that the IQs of some of those famous figures would be much higher. I took an IQ test while heavily inebriated (alcohol and marijuana) several years ago, and even in that state, my IQ was measured at 145. I have never taken one sober. I think I will take another one soon and see what my actual IQ is. I wonder if it will be higher or lower. It might be fun.
Bovem excrementum
The murderer was demon-possessed.
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