La Marzocco GS3 MP | What I like, What I Don't & Why It's My Last La Marzocco
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It's been a year since my original La Marzocco GS3 MP espresso machine review, and as I often do its time for an ownership update. So in this video I'll get into where I stand on all things with the machine, and if this countertop legacy has what it takes to maintain the top spot on my coffee bar.
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Professional barista with over 9 year GS3 ownership, used to change machine at home every other year, and since this machine I’ve never felt the need to change, which makes me happy. Two tips: if you plan to keep this, install it on the mains (both waste and water) with a water treatment. This way you never have to fill up the tank again. Second is use the steam wand at full throttle, this way you don’t have to use that hand on the switch since it locks in place at full throttle. Adjust steam pressure to your liking by changing the steam boiler temperature. (We used the have a foot pedal and a screw steam wand, that’s even better). Few maintenance things you can expect (at least on my old machine): blind filter with cafiza or other brand regularly, then o rings for the brew chamber and if you wish the shower screen too, every 6-12 months, anti vacuum valve every 24-36 months. Pump capacitor (just the relais or capacitor, it’s only a few bucks) every 5 years, water mix valve for tea every 5 years. All these things you can do yourself and I keep the most common spare parts in my drawer and change them around when they wear out. I’ve had one leak from the shower head fixed under warranty too (was the old design, they changed it to the new design). I have never had such a robust and friendly machine before, and hope this will outlast me like you state. Thanks for the review!
Not directly related to this video, but perhaps this year you could do a deep dive on decaf? I consume caffeine, but also love espresso after dinner when caffeine just won’t do- I’m sure I’m not remotely unique in this regard- and really, really struggling to get tasty shots. Even from beans from roasters that I generally like
That’s been a topic I’ve been toying with for years. It’s definitely planned for a video in the coming months!
Interested as well. Hope to see your take on it. Great video as always!
Decaf is challenging but it’s gotten so much better than 5+ years ago where it used to taste like rat poison! Some of my fav decafs have come from El Paraiso (Diego Bermudez) and Wilton Benitez!
Would love that!!!
Would love to see this discussed from more great coffee creators! A large chunk of my day gets cut off from enjoying coffee and it can be pretty challenging to find great decaf options. I also just don't know much about it since it seems like people rarely talk about it nowadays.
Wow Spro...you are so thorough with your reviews and really enjoy your well thought through explanations and have done for a couple of years now. Videography and lighting are superbly excecuted too. You're my go to for all things coffee. Well done.😊
I’ve owned the GS3MP for 3 years now - having it plumbed in with water and drain is a must - also, on your complaint about the paddle, this can be adjusted by a technician. I really love it and grew to love it even more after 3 years, I wouldn’t change it and would definitely buy it again, even with the new choices available on the market. I agree with you on the upgrades, although the Leva and Strada are amazing their price makes it prohibitive, so that GS3 will stay here for many many years
I’ve had techs loosen the paddle a bit in the past, but they haven’t said they can spread the entire length of the track, I’ll follow up with my connected at Lm and confirm that.
But in terms of plumbing, I think you’re missing the point. It’s not the fact that I have to fill a tank, it’s that it wastes a ton of water. Plumbing it only just gives you the illusion you’re not wasting a ton.
@@Sprometheus while true, in the context of home use for 1-2 drinkers of coffee, it's really not that much water. Granted, I suppose that's up for interpretation depending on where you live. In Florida, water is not a scarce resource like it is out West.
@@hoostineFLWater is not the only waste, just think of all the energy
I agree with you assessment, I bought the AV and had FOMO for the first couple of months of ownership, but now I’m really happy I didn’t get the MP, as far as I’m concerned there are already enough variables in espresso and I’m interested in a great coffee in the morning not a science lesson… 😉
I got my GS3 MP in may 2019(4+ years ) with only 1 issue leak from the tank to the electric cercit board that got damaged but was fixed under warranty since then no issues what so ever and , I never turn it off unless I'm traveling something like 2 weeks in a year, I think its a machine that can last a life time with proper care every other year I'll change gasgates with maybe a little descaling since I'm using the BWT filter system no descaling build up so fare ...I will surely recommend this machine and thank you for the review :)
I totally agree. I used to have an GS3 AV and I had annoyances too. Bypassed water would end up in the drip tray, I did not like the position of the water tank (impossible to see if it's almost empty because you first need to remove the drip tray) and the GS3 AV was not a very forgiving machine. Switched to a lever machine (Londinium) and love the simplicity of it, it just does what it should do. Currently using a Cafelat Robot and I just love it. The design of Cafelat is simple and effective. No time needed for heating up the machine in the morning. No need to use descaled water. No energy waste because of stand by time. It's easy to clean (no backflushing, no descaling needed) and that also means that your brewing water will clean every time you use it. The Cafelat gives me more manual control and profiling options than many other machine. It's just very easy to consistently brew good tasting shots.
I have owned my GS3 MP since February 2022 and I love it. That said, I agree with almost everything you stated about your machine. The interface is not great, the manual adjustment paddle needs to be more precise and it is very well built. I have had no maintenance issues and the steam wand doesn’t really bother me. I like the Leva as you mentioned as well but I would but my GS3 all over again. It’s expensive but we’ll worth it.
Happy New Year. Wishing you a wonderful 2024.
Thank you my friend.
Thank you my friend! Same to you!
Agree with your thoughts on the GS/3 MP, Spro. Mine is sitting doing nothing now that I have the Sanremo You. I think it’s still an awesome machine (I’m not convinced Sanremo will update the You with any more frequency than LM does their machines) but spending 2 or 3 times as much to get functionality that comes in machines half the price from other companies feels a bit ridiculous. The thing about it is that you get lots of benefits from the GS/3 that just aren’t that applicable to a home use IMO.
Wait for new firmware updates on the Sanremo to come through. Exciting things in the pipeline.
I have precisely that machine and side panels. I love it. As a black coffee drinker I basically use the steam wand to periodically purge it, not to steam milk. I have adapted to the MP lever (had it for just over a year too) and also agree that Italian software design sucks, but I have set my temps and don’t mess with them. I spent enough for it, it works great and plan on keeping it for awhile.
I think its a great idea doing a yearly review on products you previously featured.
Thanks for the deep dive on the 1 year review!
I work in a very small coffee shop, where the GS3 is our only espresso machine and has been in use for 5 years.
It has held up very well over the years and we’ve only had minor repairs done.
I’ve never felt like the paddle for the steam wand was positioned in an always position and have enjoyed steaming milk with it, even though our machine does have a bit lot ‘lag’ when turning off the steam.
I might be extremely lucky, but I‘ve never had any problem with the LM App in combination with my GS3 and ever since they made it possible to turn the steamboiler on and off when you‘re on the go, I couldn‘t be happier!
Though that raises the question why this wasn‘t a feature from the start…
I think it’s hard to find a machine that really compares to or outshines the GS3 MP as a whole package, as it just does everything you‘d want it to by simply bruteforcing it!
All that while being so overbuilt, it might just outlive every other Home Appliance by decades 😄
No need for fancy tech and huge touchscreens…
I have owned my GS3MP for going on four years. Like you there are some nitpicks that are aggravating. I agree the steam wand setup is awkward. The only parts that I have had to replace is a steam kit. The controller is limpy. I am plumbed in so I don't have to deal with the water tray. The APP is useless but fortunately I don't need to use it often. I have a 5 gallon bucket that collects the drain water and I have to empty it about once a month. The pad on the front panel is outdated. It took four years to break in to the point that using the paddle was smooth and easy to control. I owned two Speedster before the GS3MP and there was always something failing on them. The GS3MP is a workhorse and what hits the cup is consistently excellent. I get bored with equipment but apprehensive about changing for fear I wouldn't like it as well as I do the LM. However I would like to test the Synesso ES1 but my intuition is telling me that refinements are needed before buying one.
I really love your content. I would like to know if you had to do it again and the GS3 was not an option, what machine would you get instead, or potentially what other 2-3 would you consider?
Been waiting for this video. I’ve had my GS3 MP for a little longer than you and agree with everything. App issues, warranty repairs…our experience sounds the same. And yeah, I’d buy it again.
MP owner here. I have the machine since shortly after the switch to the conical valve. So far, it didn't let me down and required only marginal maintenance. The only thing that annoyed me was the vacuum breaker valves which need to be replaced about every other year. Let's hope that the waaaayyy more expensive new version also lasts longer. I've spoken to some caterers using the GS for their service which pulled thousands of shots. They were also happy with the reliability of the GS 3.
Re. the quirks: I get along with the steam valve just fine but whoever programmed the UI of the panel must have had a few too many Ramazotti.
One thing to mention in addition: if you use the water tank, make sure to open and completely clean it regularly, otherwise mold builds up along the edges. I leave the lid unscrewed for faster access.
On the costs: yes, they are very expensive but given that a new machine now costs way more than it did when I bought it six years ago, my resale value is still decent.
Yes, they are a large company, especially since as of December 23, DeLonghi is now the majority stake holder in La Marzocco!!!
They already were. Delonghi transferred ownership from its parent company Delonghi Industrial.
I own this machine and thought everything you said was accurate. In addition one of my pet peeves is that the tank refill sensor on my unit is very finicky. Often times I warm up my machine only to find it’s cooled off because the tank refill sensor falsely tripped.
Thanks so much for your review and I can’t agree more! I have had my gs3 mp for 3 months and been using it to extract medium-light beans with 15 secs of pre-infusion for each shot which causes even a lot more water waste, plumbing in is definitely not a solution it just makes the waste invisible…
Love my GS3 MP. If you don't plumb it, you'll always complain about the water usage. Plumbed, and it's a non-issue. My only wish is that it didn't take so long to warm up. Was hopeful about the GS1, but the UI panel is 10 years out of date -- it's a $5K machine priced $4k too high. And ya, let's get a decaf video!
I love mine ... but I love it a lot more since plumbing it in. I love the tactile connection to my cup, and honestly the "Decent experience" (and those like it) seems cool to play with, but kind of sterile for my morning ritual and afternoon escape. I'd really enjoy going over to a friend's house to play with one once in a while ... but only once in a while. Without a major re-understanding of what espresso is/how it's made that would render the GS3/MP severely obsolete, I plan to use it the rest of my life.
I have had three LM machines. A GS3 MP AV & linea mini. The app I think is brilliant. I have never had any issues. If they don’t update the GS3 then other companies will steal the market. Fro example. The Unicapro blows it out the park. I want to buy a strada EP1 but they no longer make it.
A GS3 EP with gear pump and new designed buttons / screen like the Leva would make it the best top end espresso machine on the market.
I had a GS3 MP and I switched to a Slayer. I found the paddle finicky such that it was difficult to be consistent from shot to shot. I was also not a fan of the wasted water. I have not regretted my decision. I also have a Strietman CT2 that I really enjoy.
Great honest feedback as always. One other thing to touch on with the water waste. If you’re using specialty water like third wave. That water waste adds up quickly at like up to 20 cents per shot just on water. I which yea may not seem like a lot but if you drink 2 shots per day that’s about 100 bucks per year or so. Given if you have a GS3 there’s a good chance that doesn’t make or break things lol
Great review as always. I had a EMP LM for a year now and I really enjoy pressure profiling without the cons on the GS3 MP. Instant pressure manipulation and smooth paddle movement. Hope you get a hands on one and see what you think.
Insightful and very honest video. I’ve always admired the GS3 but the price was always too high to justify. If I were single, I likely would’ve bought a LMLM but when there are other people using it that don’t want to fuss with a paddle or scale, automation becomes just as important as coffee quality. That’s what made the Sanremo YOU an easy choice and a best-of-both-worlds, especially for the early retail price of $4.2k USD.
Last thing: I fully agree with your comment about the design, functionality, and stability of companion apps. It’s a sore spot for otherwise great machines and always feels like an afterthought
Very valid points made, maybe they're investing more energy in their commercial products and have over simplified things for their consumer but then I don't get why they don't have the budget or priority to make sure the products they have out now work well especially if it's an app where it's a software upgrade that doesn't require hardware updates as it's on the phone... They aren't released a brand new product yearly either and the rotation of their products are slow. I like the way the machines look and they seem consistent but that's not a good enough reason to shell out thousands of dollars and be disappointed.
what's the best machine for home if budget doesnt matter?
Hello Sprometheus,
I agree that once you have a La Marzocco GS3 you probably don’t need to think about the next machine (ever) .. they should last you a lifetime because they are built by a company with expensive parts that have been proven to be very reliable in a commercial enviroment.. a consumer will expect nothing less (considering the pricetag of the machine..
I own a Linea mini and my experiences with the app are fine (very easy to use ,adjust temperature, change prebrewing, using auto on/off etc) much more convient than fiddling with the buttons on the GS3 but YMMV..
La Marzocco should make sure the platform is stable and working for many many years (anything else would be unacceptable but I kept my old unconnected motherboard just in case)…
When looking for these type of high end machines it all comes to personal preference..
Don’t forget to enjoy your coffee
Something about water waste in an espresso machine is a real turn off. Compared to the price of coffee and equipment, distilled water and minerals are cheap, but I still have a hard time flushing water I payed for down the drain. Even turning it into steam seems like a challenge for me lol.
Haha for me I don’t worry about the steam much, but yeah the costs of distilled water and a mineral packet are small by comparison, but I’m with you. I don’t love dumping it.
Agreed. To me it feels like on those old commercial grinders everyone was trying to put on their home bars circa 2010, where the standard practice was to purge a few grams of coffee and just waste it between shots. I always hated that
As a LM owner, myself, I'm curious to know what you might lean toward if you were to replace it.
Killer looking machine for sure! Still prefer the look of the mini tho (maybe i a bit bias from owning it myself who knows)
I love the GS3, despite its flaws that you perfectly pointed out. However, there is another alternative in the LM-Line. If you are not in for milk-based shots you could, at least here in Europe, get an LM ShotBrewer. Almost same genuine looks as the GS3, but: it comes without the water-wasting-needle-valve but with the same Pump as the Strada EP to a much lower cost.
I've had a really bad run of issues with my Linea Mini. Was considering upgrading to the GS3 in the hope that it would be more reliable and because I want to try pressure profiling. I'd interested to know what you would replace your GS3 with.
Thank you so much for your review🙏 I think the machine is amazing! It is the best for a home coffee machine, there is nothing better than it for the home, it will serve you for a lifetime! I have a question about this machine, I have the same machine... I wanted to know what temperature the steamer is at and how much the boiler is at, thank you very much❤
I know you like the Bianca (I have a Bianca V3) and have compared it to the GS3 before... considering the GS3 is so much more money, what other machines would you think about in the $3000-5000 range if someone wanted an upgrade, but without such a big price hike?
The time is running and GS3 gets older and older. I consider to buy it, but now I would rather buy lever machine like Nurri L-Type Leva or wait for Spiritello from Kees van der Westen, which appears this may. Anyway thank You for detailed tests of LM!
That Nurri Leva looks juicy. It’s that one or a LMLM for me.
I don't know tomorrow but Today If I need to upgrade my LM I will jump to Slayer single group. Also check all the boxes.
Wishing a Belated Happy New Year, appreciate all the video's put on this channel. Is the cafesing orca a grinder worth investigating in as a manualy grinder.
If the opportunity allows kindly make a video on Unica Pro coffee machine from Switzerland.
Hoping for more interesting and intriguing coffee opinions and videos this year as well 😊
My preferences are:
No E61
No Screens/too much tech
No hand lever
So the list of new available products is basically limited to LM, Dalla Corte and if you’re crazy rich Slayer and KVW.
So I really really hope that LM keeps making these machines which are build to last.
Great, honest assessment. My feeling is that LM have rested on their laurels for too long - with little innovation - esp with regards to the environmental waste. Decent has disrupted the market and the SanRemo You, Synesso ES1 are giving the market what they want - technology, user experience and control.
That's why I stay with my Rocket R Nine One. Better pressure control and no wasted water
I debated hard between this and the You. I couldnt get past the energy and water involved in running this machine just for me. Its a dream machine for sure and If they release a new version with the tech from the Strada X1 Ill be first in line for it. But it seems like theyre pretty settled on their lineup.
Thanks for another great video in the new year! :-) Bought myself the LMLM in 2020 and paired it with the Niche Zero. I love my LMLM, mechanically very sound, after 3.5 years no repair costs and have done1 service job and nothing spectacular came out. Very happy with the machine and I love its simplicity, reliability and repeatability of the shots. Am wondering what's next in the single dose grinder market. Usually pull shots for espresso (based) drinks, but also use it for the occasional Chemex... what's your view - a good upgrade existing in the market, or can we expect exciting news in 2024?
Gs3 was many years ago a dream machine
With the today's knowledge, we know that the grinder and offfourse the bean, is more important
We are setting up a small roastery with a Loring S7. We want a single head machine to showcase the coffee we produce to customers. What do people recommend? The GS3 MP is great but the limitations with profiling, not having the ability to save and repeat them, the old technology and high water wastage have me considering other options like the Rocket R Nine One. Thoughts and recommendations would be much appreciated.
Interesting your comments on lack of improvements with La Marzocco over the years - even in a commercial setting I'm starting to feel the same way.
We've got a GB5 S and a Linea Classic in a commercial setting and although we got a very good deal on the GB5, I sometimes wonder whether it was a poor choice. The very basic Pro app (similar issues to the home app by the sound of it), generally poor UI for compared to the competition for any kind of adjustment, and some mediocre design choices for the times we live in (very poorly insulated boilers for example) have me exploring options from other manufacturers more than I probably should.
Strada Ep single group is your next LM😁😁
I own a coffee company that uses one and I do think for that purpose it’s hard to beat however the price is too much for me to justify purchasing this for a home use. I’ve also had 5 warranties issues on mine in 8 months 2 of which were the steam actuator which it looks cool but using it absolutely sucks I considered buying a third party synesso actuator and adding it on the side so it would look more like a synesso mvp handle but it’s close to 1500 and requires modifications that void the warranty
As a newbie, I came away a bit dissatisfied by you saying there are "a lot of comparable, less expensive alternative", but not naming any. I understand this is enthusiast content, but small support efforts like that could really broaden your audience and provide value to more people.
Having watched this, I feel much better about my Flair Pro 2.
Spro, I’m wondering if you’ve ever had the chance to use a Linea Mini with the EMP mod (done by Coffee Machinist Rick Bond)?
It doesn’t suffer from your two core complaints about the GS3’s paddle/pressure - ie. the water waste and the narrow level of control.
The La Marzocca GS3 MP is a big problem, one that will only become more irritating as time goes along. You will feel a lot better not having to wake up to the troublesome La Marzocco, which is why you should mail it to me.
The GS3 is a great machine (I have an AV plumbed in) but the screen interface could not be worse. I've had to replace the screen twice because the lettering broke up so badly, it was illegible. The LaMarzocco rep (London) suggested it was heat dissipation so we made some adjustments to the tray venting but the screen is starting to break up again after a year. Be interested to see what your long term experience is because the rep did a good line in 'this has never happened before'...
Ooph, was it under warranty and is it still?
@@2k3r1 Still corrupted. Starts off fine and then starts to break up. 2018 machine. 3 screens to date. All fail in exactly the same way.
You could always go back to a Linea, but mod it with a variable speed gear pump like the FG203.
I think LM have missed the boat on improving their machines consequently, adding new features, better UI and app upgrades. Still quality gear, but being bypassed by smaller more innovative vendors while maintaining the high pricing.
I was going to buy the AV version this year but decided to spend £6800 on something else and keep my ecm synchronika and maybe use the money on a better grinder? Do I regret not buying it no because to pump out water at nine bar no way could I justify nearly £7000 when other machines can do it at a much cheaper price?
That amount of water wastage is absurd - not just from a 'refilling the water tank' perspective, but if pulling a couple of shots a day is half a litre of water going down the drain (not including what actually goes into the espresso) that doesn't sit all that well with me.
Two deal breakers: steam lever placement and water waste. Water waste being the main one. Really surprised how much it is!
I wouldn't count on anything that contains specialized electronic components, LCD displays, or relies on apps, to last for 'generations'. Especially not if you now technically need to rely on De'Longhi...
Amazing review. Candid and accurate. My least favorite part of the GS3 is the user interface. From that odd oval to the hieroglyphic markings on the square buttons, it looks hideous and antiquated, circa 1980s. The GS3 is not a bad looking machine but the user interface makes it an ugly duckling. I'd rather have a Linea Mini, but then again that paddle is like scratching on a chalkboard. Make the paddle a real flow control paddle, not an on/off switch. In 2024, I would love for you to review the Ascaso Baby T Plus, brought into the 21st century with thermoblock technology. I hate the plastic water reservoirs but you can't win them all. Still, for me, the simplicity of the Olympia Cremina reigns supreme.
The steam switch is another pain point to me, sometimes when I turn it on it just couldn’t hold up there and flipped back off by itself, not quite sure if someone else had the same issue though
This espresso machine is really good, it will last like forever with proper maintenance, but is it so good to justify spending so much money to buy it?
The real answer is no. Like I said in my original review of the GS3, buying one of these is not a purchase made in reason. There are plenty of others that perform just as well, and in some cases better for less. But the LM for some hits is in the feels, and that will always win over reason.
@@Sprometheus In the review you say that the GS improved your espresso. How does that marry up with what you're saying here? If there's a improvement in cup then the decision is obvious no?
@@tobiasbouma4071 I took it to mean he could have had similar learning/improvement for less $$. He likes the machine, but isnt sure it is competitive in the current marketplace, and will continue to lose its competitive edge as other manufactures keep pushing the envelope.
Really surprised by the water bypass technique for controlling pressure - feels like something that they absolutely could’ve engineered out. Must make for really poor energy performance for the unit.
I didn't realise that it wastes so much water when doing pressure profiling. That's a turn off.
Yeah the water waste is and will remain the biggest downside to the MP design.
It’s nothing to concern yourself with. Rare to make more than 5 shots in the am and nothing precludes taking 5 secs to dump the drip tray and add water amid a busier morning. Distilled water with Third Water is cheap considering the price of the machine and the great product it delivers
@@Sprometheus that being said, with my e61, that 40 minute heat up time is also not very energy efficient. I have a flow control which does not waste water but it also does not truly change the pressure like your one does. I use it more like a long ramp up.
I have Strada EP. I have no regret to own this machine.
I think the only machine that would change my mind is Synesso ES1.
Personally, having had tried them both, I'd stick with the Strada for the direct control. The ES.1 only allows pressure profiling between paddle taps, which to me makes it feel a little less in touch with the coffee itself.
@@Sprometheus
that makes sense
But in cafe scenario, I think Synesso’s system would have advantage
App better work for that price. Preach!
same thought, i din even bother to buy anymore LM not tat i cant afford it while i hv 15 machines to rotate
thanks for the video, but I have 1 problem, the video format in 60 fps, and its harder to play than a 30 or 24 fps, may you please change it in the future
2 expnzf for me. would you recommend flair 58+ ?and would it simulate a little bit of LA MaRZ functionality?
I have had the entire lineup of the la marzocco and than I got the Rocket R9 one and I found it to outperform the gs3 on all aspects but the look. Yes the gs3 is sexier but the R9 just outperforms it in every level of extracting and repeating espresso recipes. One of the obvious downfalls with the gs3 you mentioned was the waste of water, for me that’s unforgiving. The R9 manipulate the pressure at the pump not at the brew so there is minimal waste of water.
I appreciate references to other espresso machines. I do not have a lot of brand or product depth so it is useful info for me. Thanks! After finding a price for the Rocket R9, at $14-17K (2-3 group), then I'd hope the espresso is as good or better than the G3MP. Is there a machine in the 5-7K range that is as good or possibly better than the La Marzocco G3 line. I need to know! :-)
10 shots per fill-up is better than my Silvia pro x
I don’t remember filling up that frequently with the Pro X, but it does have a half liter less water so it’s possible.
@@Sprometheus I do a lot of steaming milk with each shot so ymmv I suppose
I had no idea that GS3 threw away that much water. That's kind of huge.
Should that be at 73lbs, corners were NOT cut?
In my mind, I hear that you can’t debate that corners or costs were cut due to its weight. But I can see how the phrasing may be confusing.
I took it the opposite way too @@Sprometheus
I've had my gs3mp for over a year. I dont get the complaint about water....because 1: I plumbed it in, and 2: I filter and remineralise my water and the filter has a life of 10k litres a year, more than enough. And 3: my water comes free from the sky.
I really think there is room for someone to offer a mod on the paddle to allow a more refined action.
The fact that some people try to defend LM for their horrific app is insane to me as if their machines aren’t considered luxury it’s not like their app has some crazy features.
Yeah it’s wild to see them continuing to cut that corner while promoting the future of tech in coffee.
Coffee manufacturers are not software companies! They never will be and the mindset shift that is necessary rarely occurs. Look at the auto industry.
What machine are you going to get then?
When you are are thinking, "Should a upgrade my coffee machine, or buy a car", you know you have a problem...
As a coffee shop owner i have gravitated to one group or machi
Oops, anyway like all options for prosumer or on group machines...still like leva for best workflow, maybe a londinium to play more with pre infusion..still under 5k
A local shop bought a Leva when it came out and ended up ditching it soon after. I believe some of the casings where the lever joint is cracked, shorter baristas struggled with it. But in the end a lot of shops use levers successfully and it’s definitely more of a show than a standard machine
@@Sprometheus i wish there was perfect mix of mechanical and tech in a machine, maybe MP is as close we get( certainly safer then leva) synesso does look better all the time, like to try a hydra somwday
Do you think the new La Marzocco Strada X1 is better than this one?
I think that we just have to accept that Italian logic is not the same as logic in the rest of the Western world. Having some experience with Italian cars, I was prepared to accept that my Linea Mini, and especially the LM app, would do strange things quite often. Having to replace a valve two weeks after purchase didn't surprise me. Not being able to connect through the app in more than every tenth attempt likewise. Not knowing that it will work the next time I want to brew a shot is part of the Italian experience. I once owned a Japanese car and it started every time I got in it. Became kind of boring after a while. 🙂
LOLOL at "Not knowing that it will work the next time I want to brew a shot is part of the Italian experience." Very well said! Also, that is EXACTLY why I wouldnt want to own one, as much as I love the look and heritage of these machine.
semirelated: Do you only date fiery red heads? LOL
Still, I don't plan to replace my Mini. I sort of enjoy the La Marzocco experience. And lately, the app has been quite stable. (Knock on wood)
Man, unjustified cost. I’m seriously worried LM is losing its way.
I think they’ve got some internal struggles for sure. Considering nearly half of the shares of LM was just bought by De’Longhi it could mean they are trying to right the ship in some way? Time will tell.
@@Sprometheus it’s a big ship to turn around indeed. It’s so sad, my gut says they bought into the bad parts of what became their own hype. Everything we all seemed to love about LM came from a genuine place of innovation, care quality and design with some adorable anachronisms that were tolerable. Nowadays it seems like they are the “marketing” version of themselves with little real respect for their core principles and values that made them successful and this is now entrenched in their current relationship with customers and it shows in the products.
Let’s hope they check themselves before they wreck, otherwise they’ll find themselves replaced with more genuine innovation from up and comers or even outstanding stalwarts.
So, who is making theses machines with better value ?😇
$20k for a home machine .. it better dial my grind, drive me to work and tuck me in at night ..
It doesn't feel the same way he doesn't call me pony boy. Edit: he did ❤🐴
What would you buy now if you were upgrading from your GS3 now? I've owned my Linea Mini for almost 5 years now and the GS3 was the obvious choice, but I'd be interested to hear what else you like.
Make this experiment, the best coffee ever in budget machine under 100$, and low quality coffee in high end machine, to know which give the best or the acceptable cafe taste result
Oh no. Has 'lets go' carried over to 2024? I can't take it anymore!!!!!!
When I wake up in the morning. I don't have time to take 15 minutes to heat up an espressomachin. Can you review and compare quick heated machines? Time is an issue.Thanks för great work.
Yeah, I recently reviewed the 9Barista and that’s a solid option for someone on the go if you don’t want or care to have steam.
You don’t need to wait at all, it has an “auto on” timer, mine powers up every morning 20 mins before I get out of bed and is ready to go by the time I reach the kitchen.
Hi could you elaborate on the one line towards the end, saying that other manufacturers are doing more exciting things for less money.
Personally I'm eyeing the Strada x1 sometimes late next year annnnd I think the pressure by weight is really a great feature that I don't see coming to other machines in the next five years at least. I agree that it's a lot of money, but you're getting something back for it.
GS3 motherboard box is of poor design, uses self tapping screws that go into plastic, everything in it is packed way too tight. The ribbon cables degrade over time. The display started having missing pixels after 1 year. The plastic of the dump tray cracked and degraded within 2 years. The plastic back cover on the display disintegrated. Replacing the solenoid valve for the tea spout requires finger acrobatics that are just ridiculous. Too many issues that point to poor design and engineering. After 8 years of painful annual maintenance I finally traded up to a Slayer and I couldn't be happier. Not going back to LM ever again.
☕☕☕ Love Is Important ❤️❤️❤️ .....
I wanted a strada but too expensive.
I was gonna get a gs3 but settled for a synkronika, not just for price but because i live on an island in the middle of nowhere and was worried about maintenance.
Even though the ecm is excellent, i still fantasize about La marzocco.
I have had both. The ECM is a great machine. Be happy.
Sell it to me when you upgrade it 😊
The Victoria Arduino app is even worse
Haha haven’t tried that one yet. Sanremo’s was not great either. I can’t believe these companies are cutting that corner while gloating about the future of tech in coffee.
Slayer man , Slayer
Have you considered a decent? In theory, it should be able to do everything these high end machines do
I have, it was down to that and the GS3, and the Decent has great functionality, but I don’t love the look and feel of it. But there may come a time when I snag one.