Shane Douglas Grades WWE, WCW & ECW Wrestlers
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Shane seemed very impartial despite his personal feelings. I respect his honesty and appreciate his insights. You can tell he is a student of the game
"impartial" lmao
@@e2go He actually seemed that way to me. I mean is he not supposed to have opinions at all???
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@@tbewin1z143 his opinion on scott hall was crap and biased. I'm not just saying that because scott just passed away. Scott was a B+ on the mic and in the ring. Never really the guy but could go with anybody and could talk well. Personality he had in the ring too. Out of the ring, it seems to depend on who you ask and when they interacted with him.
Except for his Scott Hall grade. That was pure bitterness lol. Scott was a great worker and a great promo, everyone knows that. Also, giving Dreamer an A for workrate is ridiculous lol.
The mugshot for razor Ramon lol
They did Scott Hall dirty with that picture 😂
Lol. I never even looked at the pic until I saw this comment. So then I went back to see it annnnd.....HAHAHAHA!!!!
Scott Hall did Scott Hall more dirty than anyone else.
I hope he is at peace now.
How could they do dirty on Scott Hall? When Scott Hall did dirty on himself.
Ya they did
One of the main reasons we had ECW, Shane Douglas. "Perfect Strangers".
Greatest ECW wrestler of all time
Alot of respect to Shane for being honest and not burying them cause he doesn't like them
Bobby Eaton getting his props
love the love shown for bobby eaton. he was the best worker i ever saw. he did little things different all the time.
Second this. When Flair, Steve Austin and Undertaker all say Bobby was the best worker they were ever in the ring with….I’d say that says it all.
I really expected a bury of a few people, but like he was rather unbiased and I respect him for that
I wanted to not like Shane Douglas. But he actually comes across as genuine here. Maybe a couple of grades that were questionable, but overall, pretty reasonable and objective.
Giving Scott Hall's promos an f is absurd.
@@steve6513razor Ramon f. He saved that gimmick by being Scott Hall with NWO where it worked by just familiarity
Mankind was so good at captivating an audience he pulled it off with 4 different characters. I still remember loving he'd get 2/3 chances at the rumble those few years.
They dropped the ball not having his last entering win. You could have totally had a heal get heat by saying he didn't earn it and work and angle from that
Wouldn’t say they dropped the ball considering the man who won that Rumble was Austin.
**heel
@@AJARyan-yn2uv the shot of stone cold siting on the ring post pretending to look at his watch was perfection.
I have a new level of respect for Shane after watching this
Very unbiased and thought-out. Great segment.
Yeah except the fact he came up with Mick Foley and have him a better grade than everybody else lol
Unbiased? No one in their right mind could call Scott Hall an "F" promo. An "F"-level promo is someone like Dynamite Kid or (more recently) Kalisto. Scott Hall got a lot of catchphrases over and was a great talker.
Also, lmao @ giving Tommy Dreamer an "A" for workrate when the guy couldn't have a good match unless it was in the garbage wrestling format (extreme rules).
He was definitely biased against Scott Hall
Shane Douglas is actually a straightforward and blunt guy. It’s surprising he isn’t a booker or holding a higher position at WWE
Vince dislikes Shane and Shane feels the same for Vince.
Should’ve done Bret, Hennig, & RVD too.
I don't think he had a lot of time bret. Hennig maybe. RVD, man. That'd be a good one.
Yea these were guys he worked with.
He is such a cool guy! Just saw him wrestle last week at the Gathering of the Juggalos(Match on my channel). Meet him two years ago at the same place we had a real good convo none wrestling just life stuff travel it was awesome! Signed a bowling pin along with Sabu and the late but most definitely great Super Genie.
👍
Would have enjoyed seeing Shane Douglas vs Owen Hart. Unfortunately that never happened during WWF
This vid made me like Shane Douglas. Man i miss these old Sean Oliver shoots they were the best
Shane’s description of Ricky Steamboat’s work in the ring is similar to watching a performance of a symphony.
I worked a show he was on, talked with him too. Told him how my daughter is a Shriners Kid and wants to be a wrestler. He ask to me her & even got in on a joke we was pulling on her. He gave her words of inspiration and said don't let anybody tell you that you can't.
I like Shane’s honesty
the moment he gave Shawn a D for personality, I knew this was going to be good
After mentioning him, I really would have liked to have heard him do Steamboat. But, I think we kind of know how he feels about him.
yeah really. he pretty much called him the best baby-face of all time. He's not wrong.
He nailed lex Luger lol
I thought he would go off on Flair since they famously didn't get along.
I respect the fact that he didn’t he gave his opinion on those strengths and weaknesses with out putting his opinion on the person in there
@@ryankeefe6222 Me too. It was a nice surprise to see him not go off on Flair and just be impartial about Flair.
He hates Lex and Shawn (and Razor, kinda), but stood up for Raven and Dreamer. In other words, he’s ECW for life! 😂
Hall’s promos were pretty good in WCW
And he's a great worker too at least a B +
Yeah he was basing that all on Razor Ramon character. An he hates the Kliq lol Like Dean Douglas was great 😂
@bradleybailey6254 Well the interview said Razor Ramon
THE FRANCHISE!!!!!
Damn hbk is my favorite wrestler but he right about personality back then
He buried Razor Ramon and put Tommy Dreamer over? This guy....
He was really generous..
I get it now. He considers A average rather than a C.
The strange thing is that Scott Hall actually pitched the Razor idea to Vince lol.
The Razor idea was solid, and Hall did a great job with it. It just wasn't Shane's cup of tea, and that's fine. He's right though that the promos weren't that great.
@@dex4463 Vince thought Razor was one of the greatest talkers, so I guess you know more than Vince
@@outis439-A What exactly is your point, you idiot? Scott Hall was a decent talker but his Razor Ramone gimmick was basically an imitation of Al Pacino as Scarface. It was entertaining but I can't think of a single classic Scott Hall promo's. He was not known as a promo guy.
@@dex4463 I agree. As a kid I loved Razor Ramon but as I rewatch the early WWF Razor vignettes, they are SO cheesy 🤦😂
Hoped to hear him rate Triple h at that time
I forgot he put Bobby Eaton over Flair on this interview!
Flair would agree. Couldn’t find a better worker than Bobby.
I thought Shane was being harsh on Shawn's promo abilities until I went back and watched a couple of Shawn's promos. They were nothing special.
I think he scored Shawn Michaels accurately.
Why they use a mugshot for Razor Ramon?
800th like 👍 😂
You have to admit, if Shane, Raven, and Bret hart all got together they could create the best wrestlers.
Bret because he’s the only one left who worked with dynamite, not that I like his style but guys need to at least understand the basics and Bret could do that.
Raven can show them how to build a gimmick, a great tool to cover your identity while your learning by.
You don’t want to be given a bad name when it’s your shoot name because you can’t change it.
Shane can just refine them and tweak the other guys especially Raven? He talks to fast and too constantly for most of his information to have a chance to sink in before he’s rambled onto another topic, someone likes that Colombian marching powder 😂
Lex was good in WCW, he had good matches and he was charismatic connecting with the crowd when he would do the torture rack
I never liked Lex but I cant deny he was super over with the crowd in WCW
@@mattharper1242 in 97 and 98 he was over, yes.
Scott hall f in promo? Okiiii
**Puts watermark by personality grade**
Lonesome Crow
Mr ECW no matter how " they" try to change history.
Should have done randy savage
Workrate: A, Promos: A+, Charisma: A+, Personality: B. Randy was legitimately high strung.
I think Randy should be a b+ on personality because his fears about the business were warranted even though he came off high strung. Agree with everything else
I loved Bobby Eaton. Great wrestler. Way underrated!
One of the best in-ring workers of all time. Nearly everyone who had a match with him will say that.
Why is he judging Scott Hall just on his Razor Ramon gimmick?
Probably cause he only worked with Scott when he was the Razor gimmick, i dont know 🤷
Everyone says Lex sucked lol
And everyone says you swallow
Jericho is certainly an A+ in promos.
He's an A an A+ is the best of the best of the best.
Not anymore
Steve straight As nice
Straight A's and yet Foley got valedictorian
Lol he gave Michaels a C+ for promos but Dreamer a A-. 🥴 the fuck outta here Shane.
I think HBK is a B on promos at best. He's a great heel but was never all that great as a face. I don't think WWF did him any favors either with that forced face run in 96. I think if you're going to give him a run with belt, don't strip the qualities that made his character entertaining,i.e the asshole ness. Lol.
Poor lex
Didnt agree with the michaels rating despite not being a big fan growing up. His promos were weak (compared to other top guys) but his personality as a character was strong. Annoying but strong.
I did find his comment about austin needing the conditions to be right interesting. I think there is validity to that argument.
I think the 'Personality' category referred to their real life personality, like how they were in the locker room. When he was talking about Luger for that category, he was talking about how Luger was behind the scenes, not his character's personality.
Did Shane have to pick a hand earlier?
Shawn Michaels's mic skills at C- ?? C'mon now. 🤨
B Atleast!
He wasn't that good when he was cocked out
"You want a war, youre gonna get one" and "Hey yo" just those 2 deserve way more respect but hey , if your bitter for someone , you cant judge them correctly
Hall did a few really memorable promos at that time and the 'survey' promos he did every week were super over
Agreed shane did razor dirty he only gave him a rubbish grade because he doesn't like him
Because he's only judging Razor Ramon. Use your head.
I would think, love or hate the characters/wrestlers, at this level they're gonna be mostly high grades. You really ain't getting where these guys have been without talent.
Shane should have married Stephanie and been running WWE lol
do 2021 version of wwe and aew roster. F for everything
What happened to Shane’s eye
Bar fight 🤛 🍻
low grades for Hall because he didn't like him. please.
Something that’s obvious about shoot interviews: you know someone is good when wrestlers try to discount how good they were. People in wrestling only talk bad about others when they weren’t able to overtake them and get over on them in the business or don’t see them as any kind of threat. That’s how this business works lol.
This is probably unlikely, but do you guys think that Shane would ever return to WWE and bury the hatchet with HBK and Vince?
Can't see it personally but having said that, Ultimate Warrior patched things up so...But at the moment I'd say no I don't see it.
Ric Flair is an A+ personality? Lol
I don't beleive it either. If it is about backstage shoot personality, Ric Flair is a straight D+, C- at best
Shane Douglas is the most realistic guy in the room
Jeff
Work rate A+
Promos D+
Charisma D+
Personally C -
My Army Service 21 years
Nick
Work Rate B-
Promos C+
Charisma B-
Personality B
My 19 years in the Navy.
Thank all the military members for their service.
Why he got a black eye?
Bro gave Scott Hall an "F" for his promos!!! 🤷🏽♂️😲 He must be grading him as strictly Razor Ramon because as Scott Hall The Outsider from NWO his promos were always PHENOMENAL!!! If "Aye Yo!" gets an "F" but Jericho is an "A" for his annoying ass promos I'm speechless
Survey time
Hmm, I think he was pretty harsh on Lex Luger in some ways, but it others he wasn't harsh enough. His workrate may not have been great, but it was surely far better then an F! Not sure exactly what I'd grade him (it's been a very long time since I've watched any Luger matches), but I don't remember him being that bad in the ring. He gave him a B for charisma, which I think is okay, but B- or C+ may have been more accurate. C for promos is too high, and I'd go with probably a D+. They could have been a C, except sometimes he'd botch them pretty bad. Still, you could tell he was trying hard and there are guys worse then him out there. An F for personality is also too harsh, and I'd go with maybe a C- or D+ on that.
Hmm. I sense some favouritism but hes not far wrong. Michaels has A’s across the board but his personality is an F. Mick Foley is all A+ as with Austin, Lex is right he got it right. Very wrong about Hall though. Who for me is B+, A, A+ and probably a B+ for personality very snakey but at the same time effortlessly cool. Ric Flair did not have much in the work rate his matches where for me god awful. Dreamer and Raven seemed very bias although legends in ECW, shanes home. Sting was awesome. He stood in the rafters for close to a year didnt have to even say much he had it all. A. A. A and A for sting. And if i had to rate shane it would be C, A, A+ and A+ but thats just how i see it all.
*Dean Douglas grades...
Lol I know Shane Douglas really don't like Scott hall and Shawn Michaels or anyone in the clique.
The bingo hall guy is grading people who actually worked on top in the big leagues 🤭
Ha
Why is this guy grading anyone? You kidding me
That Shane has the balls to do this bit tells you precisely why the height of his career occurred in a Bingo Hall...
Lost all credibility after giving Tommy Dreamer A's. C'mon, the same grades as Flair? Ridiculous
DO YOU REMEMBER - REMEMBER THE NAME
I can't speak to his workrate or promos, bc I didn't see much of him, but from what I did see, and the impression I always got from Shane himself, quite frankly, I'd rate his charisma and personality an F-.
That is to say, he couldn't draw flies if he was covered in shit.
He seems like a cool dude in real life, but could never get behind his character. It felt very forced, always cursed in promos and acted over the top everytime. Always cut long promos and what did ''The Franchise'' even mean?
@@BlackenedLiam The Franchise IS the business. He basically implied he carried ECW and by extension the wrestling business
Baha it is a slap at Scott Hall because he came up with the character and the voice not WWE. Vince wanted to make him an army G.I. Joe type character and Hall didn't like the idea so he asked Vince if he ever saw Scarface which Vince had not and then he did the voice which was based off Scarface. So it was ALL Scott Hall and thus it is a slap at Scott and not WWE's "cartoon characters" because again they didn't come up with it. Haha not that I care if he wants to throw jabs at Hall then that's his choice.
The early Razor Ramon promos are some of the best in the history of wrestling...
All credibility....
Lost...
This video is just to stir the pot!
Shaped like a pear lol
"Troy Martin Grades the Clothing Selection at Target!"
Huh?
Luger... carried the load as the active baby face in WCW in 1997 while Sting was hanging in the rafter, Luger knowing he was not going to get an extended run with the title... he knew that, and yet still worked his ass off. He had moments where he came across as lazy, but an F on workrate is just lazy pandering to the IWC.
But as he said, he was a HORRIBLY condescending, disrespectful prick. Dont know where all that pride came from. He was ugly, and his physique overrated. Dont get me started on his skills. Liked him as a kid. Think he's just a douche as an adult.
He's way off the mark when it comes to Jerichos promos...the way Jericho clowns his opponents and all that is pure gold and I'm not even a Jericho guy
Jericho in his prime, sure. But Jericho now? Idk man.
@@advictoriams hes terrible now.
Exactly.
Foley valedictorian over Flair? That deserves a low-blow.
you didn't ask him to grade Undertaker, Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Sandman, or New Jack?
Work Rate for the video: F
Promo of the video: F
Charisma: F
Personality: F
Can't argue with any of these report cards. Very fare
😅 he takes to long to grade
*FUN FACT:* If you listen REALLY carefully in the background, you can actually hear someone yell out, _"Alright, Troy, Get back to work. Those shopping carts are not going to bring themselves back into the store..."_
I respect the legend that is...The Franchise!
He's way too generous to the ECW guys.
That's loyalty...these are guys he worked with the most
Raven was pretty much a bootleg Brian Pillman
How? Raven debut in ECW in January 95 and Pillman didn't start doing the Loose Cannon stuff till 96 when he had the match with Kevin Sullivan
@@spencer2745 thank you
You man Dean Ambrose was a bootleg Brian Pillman
They're not even similar at all, what are you talking about?
Raven is nothing like Brian Pillman
Mick foley better promos than hbk 🤦♂️
heck yeah
How is that even debatable? Foley is one of the best talkers of all-time.
@@sameeknowsitallleave it out hbk was miles better on the mic casual
@@joelrobinson1755😂😂😂😂😂
Shawn Michaels promos c plus. Is Douglas having a laugh. Shawn could do a promo pilled up ten times better than Douglas.
Shane throwing the NWA title and that promo is incredible.
I'd give Shawn a solid B+ on the mic. Maybe an A- he never entered the top top tier but he was superior to most of the locker room on the mic.
Very bias towards people he likes we all no how good razor was but course he won't admite it
@GRap TheGOAT because he would have looked stupid saying ric was terrible only bret could get away with that
He seemed pretty fair
@dog Johnson lmao 👍
I like Hall as much as the next guy but I think Shane was being very genuine wtf?
Scott Hall is one of my all time favorites but he was never the same after WWF. He was a great worker there. In WCW he was good his first year for obvious reasons but he got lazy as fuck and winged it on the mic. Not his fault cause his contract didn't have him working alot of dates but he never touched the quality of his WrestleMania 10 and SummerSlam matches ever again.
And he's right about the promos. Anyone can do a Scarface impersonation and make it sound cool or funny. Compare a Scott Hall promo to a Ric Flair one and he's no where close.
When did Razor get to WWF, 1993? From 93 to 97. Thats a very short time span considering his overall body of work. Shane was more than fair.
“Who in the hell is Shane Douglas? I mean c’mon, let’s get serious now. Who is he? Who the fuck is Shane Douglas? He’s a checkout clerk at Kmart now, or Walmart or whatever. The guy that was gonna be a doctor? Ha! Good lord... he’s got more heat with the guys in this business then anybody I’ve met. I mean, god he’s just OBNOXIOUS!” - Ric Flair
He said while twirling his pecker sticking from his robe.
He's a manager at Target which takes a college degree in the management sector not a check out boy from Walmart, has other college degrees, was about to go to medical school while wrestling, and was a substitute teacher showing kids right. Flair is very misinformed about Shane.
Shane Douglas grading is so funny. Completely and utterly bias to if he likes them or not
He despises Ric Flair, so your comment doesn't really hold water..
So Mankind promos is A+ While HBK is C+? So the Rock must be A++++
Boooring
This guy was a nobody. The Franchise? More like the bust. He amounted to nothing special. ECW you say? Yeah ok big fish (and i'm being generous) in a third fiddle company.