Learning From the Travesty of My Own Judicial Committee Appeal
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Somebody made an expression, that the Winesses expect you to swim the ocean to meet them but won't cross the road to meet you.
It feels, sadly, too true.
Jesus would be ashamed of them
Thank Eric for your hard work to help innocent Victims of the cult WT cult
*60 years as a "born-in" JW, was a case of me being mentally asleep toward what was going on.* When I finally took a so called red-pill I woke up to the harsh reality of the years of abuse my wife and I had sufferd.
He said to you that he could not make a time on Monday the 29th until he checked with "the brothers" but he didn't have to check with them for Friday the 26th.
Wow. I missed that.
OMG the subterfuge used even discussing when to meet was craaayzie! 🤪
I have experienced their cold hearted shepherding calls. They are robots Eric no feelings for you in the least. Its a kangaroo court at best. It saddens me frustrates me and angers me all at the same time. Jesus never or rarely ever gets mentioned their main concern is our worship to the self appointed 8. Jesus is the way to our salvation….not them. Stand your ground brother you are handling yourself well. God bless you
Re: Shepherding calls. My sister who still considers herself to be a JW even though she hasn't been to meetings in years, (only the Memorial) is irked when she is visited by sisters who she believes are only visiting her so they can count their time. She doesn't feel it's about her. She feels it is an easy way for them to count their time in field service.
@@dissidentfairy4264 its so sad but true. I’m surprised they dont have a leader board, like a top 100 hours in the ministry or something along those lines. I think most of them believe they are acting out of love or its Jehovah’s tough love approach. I feel for your sister all i know is when i needed some compassion some love all i got was cold robots. Never even asked how i was seemed only interested in where my faith was being directed to. I couldnt have made it any clearer to them that Christ is the head and that no man nor organization is gonna save ya. Surprisingly i never got the boot.
@@Ron-dz7ep I don't think she would mind sincere visits if their objective was to help her but she senses its just an easy way for them to count their time in field service and that part annoys her.
@@dissidentfairy4264 ya thats what i thought you meant and its true most of the brothers and sisters i know are always looking for a way to count time, at least thats how it was a while back. Wouldnt it be nice to just act out of concern for someone without trying to benefit from what is suppose to be an act of kindness, love.
Ron Bruce ,Sono Italiano di Napoli ce molta distanza di chilometri ma ti sono vicino che sono freddi senza amore dimenticando tutto quello che abbiamo speso e dato sia a Geova sia a questa Organizzazione , NON conoscevo l'altra faccia della congregazione ,sono contento di essere uscito liberandomi di loro, e poi facendo ricerche sulla Watchtower ho scoperto tutto un mondo truffatori ipocriti ingannevoli quante bugie e mezze verità è disonesta e una sinagoga di Satana ringrazio Dio di avermi liberato da loro ti saluto e buona vita.
I watched and listened to this entire video with great interest. I believe Mr. Wilson was subjected to what is sometimes referred to as a 'Kangaroo Court'.
Took the words right out of my mouth !
You're a very, very dear brother to me...and I'm appreciative for your honesty, experience, research and study of God's Word....I got to know Ray and Cynthia Franz...you remind me of them...it's the love you have for others!
It is quite clear whose side they are on, if you want to share the "TRUTH" with them!
Hi Eric as I have said in another comment , even if you are asked to sit with two elders so they can investigate a matter, then they go back to the body of elders to determine whether or not to form a JC. If your phone rings be sure to know who’s calling, the elders calling two, will leave a message wanting to set up a time to meet with you further, they will not tell you any details if you let the voice mail take the call, that’s the point do not talk with them so that they can set up a time to meet with you for the judicial hearing. If they try to come to see you, sorry to say be home but hiding, HBH. Why is this course necessary? The flock book states that if the two elders cannot set up a time with you to meet, even after they send you the certified letter which should never be opened and sent back, the elders are instructed to hold the matter in abeyance, make a record of the attempts to reach you then place it in the congregation file. They are not your friends at this point, don’t relinquish your power here and let them place you in an absolutely vulnerable setting,. Good advice Eric, but I would not talk with them at all, because then they would have that opportunity to just blurt out a time and place for the judicial meeting.
The members remind me of the Stepford Wives film
That is what I said to my friends in 1976 about the JW's in Alabama
I viewed your case with great interest and utter astonishment. I had successfully drifted away some 40 years previously, but regardless, still felt they had "the truth. I simply did not want them to micromanage and control my life, and thought I would end up paying with my life for my "selfish" actions. Then I discovered people such as yourself very recently, and can't thank you enough for opening my eyes. It's astonishing to realise that their brain washing is so effective that 40 years out of it, I used to defend them. Thank you sincerely for what you are doing - you have most certainly helped me to gain perspective. Your experience with them plays out like a dystopia horror movie, and people need to see this.
Well said.
I quit going to meetings in 1997. Almost three years later the elders showed up to my house to invite me to the memorial. I politely let them in and said thanks but no thanks. Then they informed me there was a judicial meeting scheduled. I was seen by someone who informed them that I was hanging out with a disfellowshipped friend. So I brought my friend to the judicial meeting at the kingdom hall. They wouldn't let him in. They made sure I didn't have any recording devices. I read the scripture in proverbs that talked about a true brother sticking with you. They went ahead and df'd me. I appealed. They brought in elders from another congregation. The chairman was an old family friend. They upheld it, so I wrote the society just to see what would happen. They wrote back saying we find no reason to question the decisions made. A couple of months later my grandpa died. He had the usual terrible jw funeral, 90 seconds about his life and 45 minutes about JWism. The chairman of my appeal committee approached me with this big smile to shake my hand and introduce himself. I said, I know who you are, you can go.. well I'll not repeat the words out of respect for your channel. I could say a lot more about my experience, fortunately my jw parents never shunned me, in fact they called me the day my df'ing got announced and told me nothing would change. I never found out who actually told the elders about my df'd friend. I pretty much went through the whole thing for the same reasons you did. What a joke.
Good on you warrior! 👍🙏✔️
OMGosh, you go girl!! 😁 Everything you described is just so bang on. I'm finally at the point I can laugh about these situations.
I was going to say unbelievable!!! but now I'm so aware of how common such treatment is amongst them.
What an unloving way to behave toward someone who kindly invited them in!
When I was getting babtised as a Jehovah's Witness, the condition of the dedication was to be close to God and Jesus. The organization was simply a vehicle for ensuring the ministry was carried out fully.
In fact, the "Organized" book was titled, "Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry."
Then JW Broadcasting happened. More and more, it was all about viewing the Organization, The Governing Body, and Jehovah all as some sort of Trinity. As if it is all one and the same.
TRIED & TESTED FADING STRATEGY: If ANYONE - an elder, a relative or a friend - wants to "help" you by "talking with you," say absolutely NOTHING about your reasons for being "weak" and missing meetings & field service. TRUST NO ONE! Simply say, "I/WE are having to deal with PRIVATE & PERSONAL issues which we are praying about, but thanks for your concern. If the time comes when I CAN discuss them, I WILL call you." Say NOTHING more. Stress "PRIVATE & PERSONAL" if pushed.
Righteous advice.
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Great video!! My experience with this cult and the judicial committee is identical. My eyes started to open at age 17. (now 66) questioning the governing body and the religion which marked me. Thanks to videos like this and others I can truely say I am deprogramed and know this is a dangerous cult. The indoctrination can last for years even though you are out on the org. Keep up the good work!
I could be wrong, but I believe the reason why the indoctrination lasts so long is that when some individuals leave they stop doing research, or may never start to do research on the things that struck them as odd, or never even challenge the core teachings that they used to believe.
I'm frustrated just listening to this ghuytrf!!!!??? I just can't believe they are full of so much bull crap!
Thank you. THAT WAS AWESOME.
Oppose the devil and he will flee. It was great to hear that man squirming in his ignorance. We no longer fear man. So when the Elders encounter that kind of bravery, they cower and do not know how to respond. Their decision was already decided before the meeting took place. I am SOOO glad you were not intimidated. You have done a GREAT service to all who are going through this or soon will. Fear not Christian soldiers for the battle is God's, not ours. Again, Thank you, Eric.
We should all consider it an honor to be disparaged for Christ's name.
“. . .So they went out from before the Sanʹhe·drin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy to be dishonored in behalf of his name.” (Acts 5:41)
Always in the organization for over 25 years. My wife and I had information that was very sensitive. My wife carried it to our coordinator. And investigation was opened up. This brother had just became a circuit overseer been in the truth his whole life but there was a side to him but that no one knew. He was a monster and still is. He molested two of my sisters on a so-called Bible study. This went on for a couple of years. After they grew up at about 40 years of age they both came forward and accused him. He never admitted to it they did take away his eldership for about 15 years. He was allowed to run his mouth and completely destroy our good name. He is back serving again as an elder. We had information that would have really made him look like a liar that he was. When we went to another coordinator to explain, it was all swept under the rug. There is so much hypocrisy in this organization, favoritism, good old boy politics, there's nothing about it that impresses me anymore I have so much more to say I could write a book.
@@rocketman7471 You should write that book.
Great job once again
That was interesting when he said "None of us know you...So it's not like, ahh, you know, we're partial, we don't know you personally, so that's a good thing".
So it's a good thing that they don't know you personally for an appeal and that's a good thing but those on the original JC do and that's supposedly a good thing also. He even admitted that not knowing you granted impartiality. These men are truly warped in their thinking.
Hello Eric. Wonderful video. God bless you. You are looking healthy and alive. Keep up the good work brother. You offer balanced reasoning on the Scriptures. Nobody is perfect, but you are hitting the nail on the head every time. Jehovah and Christ bless you many times over. Amador, Kingdom Christian from sunny Puerto Rico.
Eric hello, it’s great to hear all your presentations. I’m sure that when my time comes to face the three stooges I’m going to avail myself of most of your advise if not all. My only current regret is to have been part of the stooges in the past. Greetings.
I believe Jehovah helped me stumble on this channel.
Eric will help you up 🙏
Funny to hear David say none of us know you personally. Don't call me Brother when we've been going to the same kingdom hall for 20 years and don't know me well enough to be prejudging me before the judgement!
Excellent work Eric, somebody have to tell the truth about this cult and the psychological manipulation that they are using, and you are doing an amazing work, Gracias!!!
This evening, I had been thinking exactly the same thing,... probably at the same time you were writing your comment. Eric has the scriptural knowledge to expose Watchtower's schemes, and that's what he does.
Much appreciated
I seen over the years how elders have slowly gotten away from following Biblical edicts. Some elders even control their congregations like they’re commandants. I’ve seen too how some elders like this implied authority and become little tin gods all puffed up with power. And most congregation members will dutifully back them up even if they secretly have doubts about this abuse of authority. They reason the GB must be OK with it because they wouldn’t condone wrong doing! That’s why it’s impossible to get any justice when you’ve been wrongly accused or slandered.
Se creen jueces del mundo entero, hasta los que no son parte de su grupo. Y sin embargo nunca asumirán sus crímenes ante nadie, los dirigentes son viles psicópatas.
As many religions calling themselves Christian. They preach love but practice conditional love. I found this true with Jehovah Witnesses.
The preach family happiness and unity, but there doctrine and principal is out to completely divide it if you don't conform. All out of love and in the name of organization false god version of Jehovah. smh
My life was a life of fear and guilt not Love, it was far from a christian it was emotional abuse in my heart and soul. When I left I found joy truth and love in Christ and God in the pages in bible on my own, in which JWs call such apostates.
JWs have an unchristian structure thru masterful deceit, and control and punishment to obey and serve them not God they dont follow Jesus in fact publicly reject him with the unleavened bread and wine on his Memorial
Eric, have you ever seen a successful appeal? I can't remember ever hearing of one. Interestingly, after my wife and I had faded away for some time, my wife had a mental health break-down and then wanted me to take her to meetings. Naturally, one of the overseers wanted to interrogate us ASAP. It was sort of like a visit with an anemic version of the Stasi. He wanted know what we had been doing for years, etc. but his most important question was whether or not we still fully believed that the Governing Body was Jehovah's earthly representative and that we had full faith and obedience to their authority. It was a bit bizarre. We went for about a year and I can say that being a 3rd generation "born in" I found the religion virtually unrecognizable. I had read Studies in the Scriptures and knew that originally Russell had proclaimed 1914 as the final end of Armageddon and that Rutherford later changed it to the Lord's return. Most JWs truly believe the GB had spiritual foreknowledge of 1914 and it constitutes the GB's sole provenance to the FDS claims. Abandoning 1914 is anathema as it would cause the entire house-of-cards to collapse. I was already disillusioned but the overlapping generations nonsense was the final and absolute straw.
I was a Ministerial servant many years ago, and so was fully observant as to just how this WT-JW-Man made up as they go along rules and laws were enforced and implemented, from shunning , if anyone even questions the GB, to there very own bible teachings & interpretations etc, and seen first hand how they mistreat there very own fellow brothers & sisters, I finally made the right decision as of now, 50-Years ago, to leave and fully disfellowship myself from this totally Bigoted, and fully Narcissistic as well as Hypocritical nepotism run so called Christian religious Cult. and I have never looked back since. only forward . they run it not out of true love buy only fear.
The overlapping generation "new light" theory was the final straw for me too. I still remember the very first thought that came into my mind when I first heard it>>>"You've got to be kidding me." I'll never forget it.
My sister had a successful appeal and it's the only one I or anyone I know has ever heard of. So it has indeed happened at least one time in history!
@@kevinrobinsonii8577 I know of only one case where a decision was reversed without an appeal. It's was a case where a ministerial servant had seduced a married sister. They worked together and he was assigned to train her in sales. After one of their sales appointments he stopped at a liquor store and bought a bottle of wine for them to share. She did not know he was going to do it, or agree to it in advance. In fact, she told me she thought it was strange that he did that. Nothing bad transpired at that time between them but he kept working her for months. The guy was a master at wit and words and charm and eventually she succumbed to his advances. She was a naive sheep-like woman in an unhappy marriage, and he was a very streetwise guy living a double life.
She found out later he was seeing a worldly woman as well, and taking the woman on vacations with him. In other words, he was a player. The deck was stacked against the sister. The elders in charge of the committee meeting were from his congregation not hers. They knew the MS well and liked him but didn't know her at all. One of the elders on the committee was even his Best Friend. So the con artist ministerial servant showed up playing the victim. His defense was that he was single and she was just too beautiful and seductive to resist. He blamed her for everything without even mentioning the other worldly women he was involved with. He played the the judicial committee like a fiddle. She told me she was polite at her meeting and sorry but didn't shed tears and didn't try to blame him at all even though it was his fault. In fact, the ministerial servant didn't even want to tell the elders about it. He was angry when she suggested it.
The ministerial servant was good at shedding crocodile tears. She had seen his fakery and insincerity many times before. He' was the kind of guy who would sell his own grandmother to make a sale. He wasn't sorry over what he had done, only sorry he got caught. The judicial committee decided to publically reprove the MS, but decided to disfellowship the sister. When her father, who happened to be an elder found out, he contacted the judicial committee (He knew one of the elders and they were friends) and told them the real story, all the details both parties had omitted. Details she had omitted to protect the MS, and details he omitted to protect himself. Her father was able to reverse their decision to disfellowship her and she was reproved instead. She told me that the elder in the committee meeting who was friends with her father was kind and seemed fair. She said another one was super old and very agitated and judgemental, but the young elder who was friends with the ministerial servant, was downright hostile and condemning of her. She said he went on the attack and she was treated as if she was an evil Jezebel. She believes his mind was made up in advance.
@@dissidentfairy4264 i also know of a very similar situation with a family member.
Thank You wow that judicial hearing sounded like the Gestapo inviting you to meet the Godfather
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Totally agree with, they really are the pinnacle of Babylon the great. How ironic
While the Australian Royal Commission had many, many great portions (Jackson’s admission that they were not the only channel being my personal favorite) the portion that has been overlooked is the horrifying review of the whole judicial process. When it was laid out in its entirety the entire panel was horrified. The idea of an appeal committee staffed by the buddies of the original committee was actually laughed at, yes laughed at. There is nothing at all “judicial” about the judicial process simply because there are no enforceable rights and standards when it comes to the rights of the accused. There is no way in the world I would ever subject myself in any way to such treatment.
The appeal committee are instructed to read the notes and S77 of the original committee and speak with them, before any appeal hearing is arranged and without informing the victim this has been done. It's done in secret. The appeal committee is now prejudiced. Not exactly justice.
I was there watched him get his picnic lunch from the lemmings, I was nearly tempted to give him a piece of truth, I anticipated being thrown out before proceedings, that's ok but I didn't know him till into the session, Then I watched him squirm and lie to the courtroom, I'll get another chance one day with these vipers!
I watched every part of the ARC, the part I found most disturbing was O’Brien from Bethel lying , under oath, that Jackson was only a translator and would be of no value to the enquiry.1800 children abused and the leaders not wanting to help- unbelievable!!
@@ruthmoram3861 I didn’t know that, but then again of course they would. One more weapon of oppression.
Neither would I, nor would I have ever shunned anyone, most especially my kids. I don't understand how any parent could do that to their kids or family.
Thank you I appreciate your videos.
I look forward to your upcoming book:-) Their objection to notes renders me speechless. It's very unjust.
I had to leave my phone in my car, and my notebook as well. Yes the four elders (yes four) wanted total control. Textbook cult control.
@@serafin1352 I don't understand depriving a person of their notes. It almost sounds like a kangaroo court where their minds are made up in advance. I kind of get the cellphone ban if they don't want to be recorded, then again, they use a transcriptionist in a court of law. So why not at a judicial committee? If there's nothing to hide, there shouldn't be an issue with recording it, but the denial of notes to use in the "accused" defense is mind-boggling. So what we have here are three-four judges, no recording, no witnesses, no jury, and no notes, only the out numbered accused. It sounds like a no-win situation. It sounds like the Inquisition.
@@dissidentfairy4264 Not “Almost”.. it IS a Kangaroo Court; a very apt description, unfortunately.😔
@@dissidentfairy4264 Right! Its very similar how the Pharisees treated Jesus at his so-called trial.
Im my case they were allowed to have notes and books and magazines but not me. I was only allowed to have the silver sword bible thats it. And not even my own copy. Nothing of my own. Its a way to control the environment and make the accused feel hopeless. Its really disgusting and immoral.
@@serafin1352 They have to know it isn't fair. They have notes when they give public talks and presentations. I don't see any of them speaking impromptu, and they must know that the accused is under extreme stress when they have three sets of eyes staring at them. It would be easy for the person on trial to go completely blank, unable to defend themselves properly. This is so unfair! What are they afraid of? Afraid the accused will bring written information that will justify his or her actions if the reason for them being there is based on an issue with doctrine, etc.? Is the GB afraid that the elders in charge of the judicial committee will see the written evidence and reflect on it at a latter date, and possibly be influenced by it and wake up themselves? Whatever their reasons are the judicial meeting is unjust when the accused is unable to defend themselves with written evidence.
Absolutely excellent 👏 when I was disfellowshiped about 4 years ago I don't believe they mentioned anything about the 7 day grace period. I also think when you go into the room...you're decision has already been made.
I love what you did Eric, you showed such patience and calmness and applied reasonability, you really broke things down to show up their wrongness.
“Liars will not inherit the kingdom of earth” yet they have no problem lying to you “just a private chat”?
"You're our guest," they said repeated. Well, if that is how they treat their guests I'm never going to one of their picnics.
@@BeroeanPickets,
When they want money, they say they need it for "our" Kingdom Hall. But when they want you to know that they, the elders, are in control, then you are their "guest".
Against the background of the judicial system of Jehovah's Witnesses, secular courts look much fairer and more objective. I would like to know how they will be able to justify themselves to Christ himself for their judicial practice and for the moral and mental harm they have caused to many...
They do not want to chat. 2 Samuel 3:24 "You well know Abner, the son of Ner, that it was to fool you that he came and to get to know your going out and coming in and to get to know everything that you are doing."
Excellent points!!!
Glad you enjoyed it
With me, I mentioned the Jesus not your mediator thing. That really surprised them, they had no idea. You are undoubtedly right Eric, however I think it’s important to confidently explain exactly what is wrong with following men, and the many contradictions on scripture (which all seem to relate to Jesus), and you will probably leave a seed of doubt in some of their minds. Jesus and the Holy Spirit will do the rest. We are encouraged to make a defence for Christ, so that’s exactly what I did.
Religion is a “snare and a racket” and has always been from its insidious beginning. No one has the right to judge another human being on the matter of his or her faith. This cult must be stopped
Eric you are a man of great intellect and I always thought I too was an intelligent person but not a day goes by that I cannot stop thinking about how I became involved with this diabolical nonsense. Years wasted brings me sadness and grief. I have truly lost faith in all that is good. Thank you for what you do to expose this cult
i understand your grief ,i wasted almost 40 years with this nonsense ,HOWEVER take the POSITIVE things you learn out of it SUCH AS LEARNING ABOUT THE TRUE GOD AND HIS SON AND GODS SPIRIT ,and the many FAITHFUL SERVANTS in GODS WORD ,and have a personal relationship with YOUR GOD READ AND APPLY HIS WORD , AND MOVE on in YOUR LIFE ,it will all work out in DUE TIME .psalms 55:22.HOPE THIS HELPS HANG IN THERE.
In all of the years I studied, off and on, with Jehovah's Witnesses I found them to be very judgmental of others and absolutely terrified of the truth in anything, They are very fond of thumping their New World Translation but there are five short verses that no JW I have ever known or heard of quote or even acknowledge. These are the first five verses of the seventh chapter of Matthew. I think those five verses give a clear and concise answer to how Jesus or the Father feel about the judicial practices of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
Matt. 7:1-5 says,
"7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
Eric you have given such strength and knowledge to a dear friend of mine who was treated so brutally by this organisation. I am so proud of him. He has picked himself up and is now following in your footsteps. I am forever grateful to you. You made him feel hes not alone in this. Thank you Eric
Wow, thank you
Now that I think of it, a suggestion Erik on your last 3 points. If they try to pin you down if the GB is God’s one true channel, it would be great to quote Jackson in saying that any such assertion would be presumptuous.
Great point.
Very insightful and disturbing exposure of "Watchtower Christian Love!!" Thanks Eric...look forward to reading your book.
Thanks for sharing this! Deeply, thanks.
Glad it helped
1 Corinthians 11 2-3 the head of every man is the Christ. NWT
The head of every man is the Christ not the governing body!I Christ has no channel on earth.
The way they make their process so "one sided" says it all. No ability to take in notes ...... it truly is a travesty.
The Quiet Stare . . Unless
You allow me to face my Accusers USING the Bible 📖 !! 😉👍
Another good video. It does seem very odd that they won’t let you bring notes or even friends in. I have always seen it as a very imbalanced religion. That’s why I could never conform to it. I need balance in my life. They stretch things or carry things too far. I liked the ending that’s a good one. If they ask if a person believes in the governing body it’s good to say the third one. Ask them show me where it says that in scripture. Because there is nothing in scripture that uses the words governing body.
Hi Eric, Every video is a reasoning gem! Keep going from a copper to gold 😉😁. Could you please make a video about how to help my PIMI family especially a wife/husband to wake up. I was disf few months ago, yet it is very hard already. Could you share some hints? What has worked for couples who has not left Jworg together? I am sure thare are some couples in your comunity with such an experience.. thank u a lot
That a tough one, Victor, but I'll do my best.
A person has to be in a right space mentally in order to wake up. Read books by cult experts such as Steven Hassan
Actually, my friend, most policemen are good decent protectors. Some let their self importance and authority turn them into assholes bringing them down to the level of ‘elders’. These types of people are usually kissing ass to their own abusive bosses. P. S. Great jacket !
I would share more to this topic. But it's too personal. All I can say is , everything you have said is correct. I was never disfellowshipped. I think I was viewed as Plutonium. I have not been back in ages. Many inside and outside of JW's left me alone. Some really liked me. I live a quiet life.
I understand
I know a brother in an appeal committee that had to fight like hell to over turn a disfellowshipping . This elder unlike most elders is a very bright strong man with a good heart and balls. You rarely see that combination in elders.
Really sad and pathetic a full grown man not allowed to speak his conscious because he doesn't know"right from wrong" , that's what Watchtower is all about seperating Christians from the spirit of truth that comes from their creator!🤔
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Thanks Robin
I was asked into the back room at a kingdom hall where a group of men questioned me as a study because of the questions I was asking . I didn't show humility and it was suggested that I wouldn't be happy in the organisation. Mind you, I did go in with a few loaded questions which made them uncomfortable because the question had never been asked im guessing
If they ask you if the Governing Body is God channel You could try saying that ultimately Christ is the head of the congregation, that Jesus is god's Chanel and we must go through him. I don't see what they could do to twist that. I depends what - or whom - they have to blackmail you with, as to how hard they'll try. I notice they don't bother with those who have no family or employment connections with Jehovah's witnesses.
That was worth a second presentation Eric. ..reviewing the details was even kind of fun... as regards their confusion and efforts at side-stepping truthful and direct replies. They love bringing up the accusation of us "causing division". and therefore destroying the unity of God's people. THEY are so lacking unity when they participate in these unscriptural judicial meetings!!
As I told the 2 elders who called to ask me several questions:. "This organization is asking you elders to do something JESUS would never ask you to do."
Typical. As a teen in 94, elders tried to 'judicial' me for my afro hairstyle and expensive suits. Of course they couldn't show me any scriptures. Instead they resorted to yelling and name-calling. One of the elders did attempt to defend me as he had a similar hairstyle. He was yelled at too. My Ministerial Servant dad ended the meeting abruptly. Soon after, my dad told me I didn't have to go to the KH anymore; LONG story short. Isn't it great to be free?
Brother Eric, I knew you time after I stopped going to the hall of the organisation, because of something that happened to me thanks to the Lord, around one and a half year ago, I have a BIG announcement for you, is VERY important, of such importance that you won't believe it. Exodus 3:14, John 6:20
Wow. The word cancer must be treated .Thank you. I hope they will reform entirely.tnx bro.
For Watchtower to "reform entirely" it would need to dissolve its corporation and give its money to the poor. I believe God will destroy Watchtower due to its corruption. Any individual who is part of Watchtower can leave it and follow Jesus. There is no reason to try to change Watchtower. It has no moral value.
Keep Exposing Watchtower LIES and Overwhelming Hypocrisy
What is the general body of Jehovah's Witnesses not have access to Shepherd God's flock
it' all about secrecy and control
Excellent video! Anyone that has been through a judicial committee hearing knows that their ultimate goal is to intimidate, manipulate and be in total control. You are stripped of all rights as a person no matter how sincere you are. And they have the audacity to call this a 'loving arrangement'. There's nothing even remotely loving about it.
They love being put on a pedestal and having control of Judge and jury. Narcissist all the way. Very very few care.
As someone who has been to actual jail. I noticed there are watchtowers and gaurds however, there is a penal code that that forces the “correctional officers” to use violence in order to “correct” inmates behavior. .. I’ve simply never understood how grown adults take “orders” from a group of people who wouldn’t bust a grape in a food fight.... 🧐 most JW kids have never been in a school yard fight. Even the current pope has been stabbed and loss a lung 🫁 as a priest. I respect his “gangsta”. All my elders are dead but they were good men to me and known me since I was knee high but if they ever tried to back room me or do any type of shady business I would show them the power of “worldly people” .. I know some human tooth 🦷 looseners.. they would have to be willing to go on a ramen noodle diet if they ever “enforced” anything. If they got 3 or 4 elders “guarding them” I’d give them the mayhem that they beg for everyday. The governing body can make them pariahs like they do with Russian JW’s and say “brother smith got his ass kicked because he stood up for Jehovah and fought against satans system” 🤣
Jehovah God and his son Jesus has made you powerful in spirit like Stephen who was stoned because they couldn’t refute the truths he presented too thim.
Thank you for this video because it emboldens and prepares others what to expect when leaving watchtower religion .. i thank Jehovah God for allowing time to go by so that the exposing of religions like this will take place before all of Babylon is removed
Thanks, thanks from a JW for what you exposed.
Most welcome.
When i had my meeting with brothers (about the UN, the two before were shepherding me on the last two calls) and I did ask if this was a judicial meeting they said, "no". The three elders did not open with prayer and two did not have their bibles. One wanted to badger me and another was being reasonable, while the third was there just "observing". They asked if i was still firm on my stance "accusing the the GB" and i said, "yes" as my 9 months of research to prove it to be true. Like the other two times the badgering brother walk through the history and of how the GB would not do such and how that is very contradictive to the watchtower and other publications written, I agreed. I then referenced the Revelation book and then he went into a long conspiracy theory of how fake signatures, editing people on video and voice overs can be done, again i agreed on the point but he was insinuating that to be the case with UN and GB was not true. The brother who was being reasonable with me started fishing me in on other conspiracies theories about the Society but i said, "i knew nothing of what he was talking about" and stayed on point about the UN, mind you this was NOT supposed to a judicial committee it was at that moment it came to mind that they cared not about my information but gaining evidence on me. I mean during any other functions they open with prayer and these brothers were always pretty amazing in my eyes and very cordial, not so much that night.. Anyways about 40mins in the badgering brother had enough and was ready to end our meeting when i was firm on my stance on my information. The reasonable brother asked me if i wanted to take back my disassociation letter, i said, "no". He then asked me if I knew what happens if i didnt change my heart condition on the GB and i said yes "disfellowshipped, i would be disfellowshipped" and that i would no longer be able to associated with my daughter who getting baptized or any of family and friends, they all confirmed it what said will happen. The observing brother (btw who studied with me almost two decades earlier) didnt say a thing as watched me debate the badgering brother hang myself (regardless of the conspiracy) in eyes of the other two. I did ask them all individually what will they do when what they learn i told them was true and of course no answer just a blank stare. They asked "where will go" and i replied please brother open and read John 14: 6 and he did right there to all four of us in the room, and with that i got up and left. -Sorry Eric for the long rant its therapeutic, thx for all you do.
Well done, Joe
@Rick Lee Unbelievable the things that are being done in Jehovah's name. "'Vengeance is mine', saith the Lord." Not empty words.
I was invited to my judicial committee and I replied no thanks. Then told them if I was disfellowshipped from any KH I would let my lawyer deal with it. That was 3 years ago. Never heard anything about it again.
As soon I got a glimpse of the shepherding book,I realized that the book is designed to have a total control over the brothers and sisters,
Any religions organization that put emphasis in judgment, and not in mercy has nothing to do with Christianity.
Jesus Christ the foundation of Christianity was teaching love not judgment.
Anyone can come to their own conclusions.
I just I recommended to do a deep research how the first Christian were dealing among themselves.
And if you do you going find out how bad the men that are part of the GB are
The more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and
They Neglect...
also COMMON SENSE ,should teach us matt 7:12
The whole process is evil .
What a fantastic video Eric, so informative. I have endured several JCs in the UK, all my confession and had blind faith that Elders were there to help. I learned the hard way as a naïve 18 year old woman! The damage done by these Kangaroo Courts is truly disgusting. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your experience.
Thank you for your documentation of your disfellowshiping. I did not want anyone to accuse me of some wrongdoing so I simply wrote a letter of disassociation and my wife deliver it to my best friend on memorial night.
I look forward to getting your new book .
Good for you, Daniel. Courage!
Brother Eric,
I watched the video.
It's a great exposure of the Watchtower man made policies and procedures.
Matthew 15 :9.
The way you and thousands of others have been treated by the Watchtower organisation is terrible.
Everything this man said are facts The most knowledgeable factual person I’ve heard yet very very point on
Thank you so much for this, most appreciated.
You look more handsome than before. That surgery did wonders to your appearance lol
That surgery was a minor miracle in my opinion.
@@BeroeanPickets it certainly has done wonders to your disposition
Yeah they had the three from the original judicial hearing +3 more people so they had six people in there for my appeal
They don't know you personally ? Wow that's speaks for itself. Here you was a formal loving brother that they were supposed to be willing to die for but they did not know you personally? Wow. You can just feel the love of these people. 😕🙄
What have Satan done to this Organization?? Where is their knowledge of the Scriptures??
I have asked that same question numerous times on numerous websites ..(what happened, what changed, it wasn't like this before) and no one has rsponded...
Unbelievable. My "judicial committee meeting was put together so quickly and without notice that it WAS a judicial meeting; that I was completely taken by surprise when the chairman suddenly blurts out....."You are no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"!!??? Then he says, "there will be no right to appeal"! Especially shocked I was, because I had not committed any offense for which our publications over the last 40 years said merited disfellowshipping! It took me many weeks after the decision to realize that these 3 "brothers" conducted a mockery of a judicial process, ruined my good name un-necessarily, and provided no scriptural reasons for their decisions! By then the damage was too late. So I extracted the counsel that was of merit; namely, not to become politically charged to the point of joining a political party, voting for a politician, joining the military, or seeking political office! None of which, I was guilty of! What a crock of baloney! I am an ex- elder of 12 years and knew that the "judicial hearing" conducted was a joke, and the result of personal opinion of these men and not an infraction of scriptural laws. But like I said, I will take the good principles out of the discussion, apply them, and have requested reinstatement. Am waiting on the meeting. The only reason I want to go back to the organization is because I have found no other organization that is preaching the good news of God's Kingdom, the only real solution for man's wicked society of injustices and sickness and death. And 2: No other organization vindicates and proclaims God's scriptural name, "Jehovah". Do you know of any? Fill me in if in fact there is one; and I will look into it.
We are not an organization, but we do meet regularly to study the Bible. I would like to invite you to one of our meetings to see the difference. beroeans.net/events/
On the topic of preaching the good news, I would disagree. I thought the Witnesses were preaching the good news until I investigate the other sheep doctrine from a scriptural vantage point. Here's a video on my findings.
czcams.com/video/1DKRMwjz63M/video.html
Love the videos..Things I knew in a feeling but never had a way to voice it until somebody was able to put it into words. Thank you.
Eric flays open Watchtower's pods of lies. He has the vocabulary to do it. People who were never under Watchtower's "spell" don't understand what Eric's videos have done for us.
Thank you Eric, I think my time is near...
Time to take a stand for Christ!
"Seized control". This was a great sentence. It is all about 100% control on ones life and spirit. God is there. He knows our heart and He will judge. Surely we will not be punished for not being part of the "Faithful and discreet slave" sheep herd.
Interesting how it involves a man's life according to their doctrine. This exsposes a severe lack of human compassion. Didn't Brother Wilson's wife pass not long before this happened. Religious Pharisees. Sorry to let them know if they don't love people..... according to the Apostle Paul they have nothing.
Not only did she pass just the year before, but none of those men showed up at the memorial service for her.
@@BeroeanPickets I don't have the words. I want you to know that you've helped me and at least 2 others in my family with the waking up process. Thank you for not giving up.
@@TOS1967 Thank you for telling me this.
Eric, as a bloke in his 60's, so, a bit of an elder, I'd let you take your notes!
..thank you so much for all the in depth research and preparation of these videos. .I stopped attending meetings in 2006...yet I was still "psychologically In" (PI) until December 25, 2021.Not once did I ever see my parents or between my siblings was any kind of physical force ever used.. I was totally in shock.. devasted after my sister, her daughter in law, my brother, father, brother in law, nephew all ganged up and attacked me.. mob mentality!! .my family all JW... They baited me.. tackled and held me down.. 3 males while a pregnant female threw items aimed at me yet hit her husband, made him bleed and still said out loud, "OMG she cut him!" while my arms were held down to my sides by the males..she then d pulled and held on to my hair. It wasn't untilI started screaming for help and police was I finally released. I called 911 and they yelled out loud that I was lying...they rushed to the driveway and move the vehicle and trailer blocking my exit. then myyounger brother, an elder, said to me "if any one is going to jail, it's you! U don't even have current car registration or Insurance." When the police arrived they made my parents stay inside and rushed to police.. they said I assaulted my sister and even though not related they threw me under the bus regarding my vehicle status. As I lef,t I loudly said they were all fake JW's, fake christians...they moved to TX that day and I haven't spoken to anyone since..my mom never spoke up..basically complicit.. .I still love them..but definitely from a distance. ..
Your videos are definitely helping me keep my faith in our Creator and see with the eyes of discernment how much the organization has deeceived and indoctrination has deeply impaired it's members from thinking and acting like true christians.
That was terribly traumatic for you. To those who have never had a similar experience, it is unimaginable that such people,... who look normal and reasonable most of the time,... could become so cruel and such huge liars. Please do keep your distance from such people. Their lies could cause you trouble, robbing you of your peace.
@@vintage6346 thank u so much.. appreciate ur comment...
I was very resentful most of this year..from that day on I became homeless for the first time..I kept making the mistake to continue ignoring my needs, self care , self love in attempts to show grateful for any kindness non jw showed me..but all very toxic situations..I also got COVID, I got monkey pox..had to quarantine in my car both times..then one day , after researching the jw organization in detail..I was able to detach and I felt better, less brain fog ..I have the opportunity to leave this old, depressing and lacking love from my family and friends I believed would be there for me when i needed compassion or encouragement..yet it was all a blessing in disguise...helped make the decision to move and keep pushing forward...moving to work in the USVI 🏝️ in less than 2 weeks... optimistic and excited to start anew.
@@majecal1818,
That's amazing that you have a job in the Virgin Islands to look forward to. I hope it turns out to be interesting and fulfilling work, and that it lasts for as long as you want it. I had very bad JW experiences, too. Yet, I kept refusing to wake up. Watchtower had us convinced that all suffering is persecution for "righteousness sake'. But when the persecution is "from" Watchtower,... over and over,... it's really time to re-assess our situation. May you now find joy in your freedom to make real friends and find love.
Appaling.
Thank you!
I was an elder for 20 years. I was in 100s of JC and various appeals committees. Not 1 decision was ever overturned.
It’s like it’s a mere formality.
In one case I was inclined to overturn the decision, but the other two elders convinced me to uphold the decision.
Just like the Gestapo!
Everything he is saying is true they already know what they’re going to do to you before you ever get there so there’s no need to talk or say anything because they already know what they’re going to do and I am so glad that they disfellowshipped me it was the most wonderful thing they could’ve ever done
I have a question to Eric and all former elders in here who left JW organisation.
At first, I‘m born and raised by JW members. I‘m close to 40 right now and hiding myself to avoid shunning and loosing my whole family.
I never found something about the joy of tobacco in the bible.
All of you surely know the JW rules about it.
Do you agree with me, that the organisations behaviour about it is not supported by the bible at all? Once they told me, smoking is similar to worship Satan, as a kind of Idolatry.
Hopefully I can get some response of you.
Best regards from Germany,
Joe
There is no direct condemnation of smoking or most of the vices that are common today. Such things are left of to the conscience of each one. Of course, we would not expect God to approve of any action that harms us.
I was abused by watchtower and still keep my integrity!
Gross incompetence is the new duplicity I guess???
David is a bully. His kangaroo court is a joke. Is there a reason why anyone can’t INSIST on bringing notes ? I’m just wondering if you refused to take your coat off, would they cancel the meeting ? What would happen if you showed up to initial judicial meeting with your lawyer to play a little hardball ? You did a great job.
Yes, I wish I had refused to take my coat off just to see what would have happened. I should have walked into that room with everything including my computer and let them cancel the meeting. Things you wish you had done at the time, but only see in hindsight.
This guy wasn’t briefed because he thought he could handle this situation easily on his own......big mistake......huge actually! I hope he kept the receipt for his sub. circuit overseer gig.