It’s more about people miss quoting the stat. “Not like us” is kdot first song to debut at 1. Other like “Humble” didn’t debut at 1 it went from 2 to 1
I like that Rod cleared things up about Kendrick on charts and numbers. He doesn’t make music to be played in clubs, radio and billboard charts. That’s not a measure of who’s a better rapper. The fact Kendrick can beat Drake at his own game shows it’s possible if he wanted. But he’ll “make music that electrify em, you make music to pacify em”
The Kendrick glazing during this beef far surpassed any Drake glazing that happened during or after. The way yall Kendrick stans are trying to revise history and gaslight to act like it's the opposite is hilarious.
One thing that’s pissed me off about this beef is we FINALLY got the opportunity to see two artists at the top of their game go at it and the people stay complaining. All of a sudden hip hop beef is overrated, everybody wanna be friends, and if they are “beefing” it’s 5 minute songs of lyrical miracle raps. Even then, how is hip hop really dead when the artist who said it was dead (Nas) is still doing music?
@@AttaMan he had Kodak on his album for a conceptual point. I don’t wanna go into a deep dive into the concept of Mr. Morale. All I’ll say is, Kodak 🔥🔥 y’all pick and choose with the moralisms. Kodak is a no-no, but most people don’t even bat an eye at the fact that King Von was a legit serial killer. But whatever
Aside from the allegations made from both sides and however you feel about Kendrick or Drake as people, you can tell there's a love for a hip hop and to push it forward as a genre on Kendricks part. He gave us 4 entirely different sounding songs, and didn't relax one bit on the technical side from the crazy voices/flow changes to the storytelling skills. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when has someone with that popularity ever showed that much range in a hip hop competition in such a short time frame?
Exactly how I feel. Euphoria demonstrates skill. Meet The Grahams is a a dope way of writing a narrative or letter writing almost. Not Like Us is catchy and that's a skill too. 6:16 in LA is solid. And even with Like That the way he commands the song even when the beat is dope is something people will remember.
Nah, yall dislike him because yall are Hip Hop snobs who thinks everybody HAS to rap like Kendrick. The reason people hate Drake is because he was in the mainstream for over a decade, which yall have complained about for just as long, if not longer.
Quest, the same dude performing for Jimmy Fallon and playing charades for the last 15 years wants to talk about hip hop being dead? The dude that played drums for Jay's live performance of Takeover? The dude that grew up in a time where guys were getting shot over rap beef? The dude who still tight with Talib when he harassed that black woman and got his ass booted off twitter and never apologized? He wants to get on his high horse???
Just looking at the stats, Hip Hop was falling off popularity wise before this happened. Now the tracks produced from this beef are at the top of the charts. Obviously, I don’t consider chart topping as an important metric for the quality of true Hip Hop, but just as a genre of music, in order for the music to survive, people have to listen and engage with it. People are listening and are now interested in more conscious rap and a higher caliber of lyricism. Before this happened, most of the music being produced was so incoherent and mindless that it isn’t engaging whatsoever. A shift was necessary.
I'm at the point when I hear hip hop is dead from someone I look at them as a lost one. If you don't know how to find the good music you like wtf you doing🤷🏾♂️
Those of yall that aren't from or in Atlanta probably don't know how big it is that J Nick's is featured on this show. How Hot 107.9 affects the industry, having him on is massive
Questlove, and a bunch of these other 90s mushmouth artists, and being HYPOCRITES. Didn’t Quest play drums when Jay Z rapped his diss track on MTV unplugged ?? How soon we forget 😅
@@Figleaf-BicarbonateHis opinion might want to take his own past actions into account and remember how he felt about things before he became a white media darling. I'm an old head and saying hip hop is dead over this, of all things, is crazy.
@@BlackSnoopi Yeah it doesn't and Quest doesn't seem to be taking into account that Kendrick and Drake really don't like each other on a human level. I've been around for pretty much all the big rap beefs and don't remember any of them getting this deep and personal.
J Nicks Kendrick has quite a few number one records 💀💀💀 he's shown that if he wants to make a hit he can. he's also billboarded high many many many times. Drake is the biggest catalyst for not like us going #1 sure, but it's not overwhelmingly the biggest reason. Kendricks ability to make a song is also a huge factor
Yeah like of course Drake's the hitmaker but it's not like Kendrick isn't super popular, his music always charts well and sells well. Not usually as well as Drake's but Kendrick can go away for 5 years and people will still fuck with him, can't say that for everyone. That's why the popularity argument doesn't work with Kendrick.
I don't know who the guest is but I don't like the sentiment that people are okay or expecting Drake to come back even though he has the pdf jacket on. Do we really gotta wait like 15 years for Drake to end up like R. Kelly?
not only that Nas ripped into the roots because they were the band that performed takeover live when jay z did his mtv unplugged to spite the release of stillmatic. if questlove is saying that we need to move past rap beef thats one thing, but hes acting like this particular rap beef was less about skill and more of a smear campaign, as if thats not an element of beef. all these beefs in hip hop have been messy, very few of them were about trying to get the title. most of em were falling outs, label disputes, and in the most extreme cases street shit.
@@PaintedHoundie facts. The only one that was mostly about the bars, from the top of my head, was LL vs Cannibus, LL vs Kool Moe Dee, and KRS vs MC Shan lol I think that might be it for real. Unless you wanna add the Cold Crush Brothers and Fantastic 5 lol but that was a bit different. Questlove sounds out of touch
Drake doesn’t only have people giving him notes to sing or a Cadence. He has people giving him complete songs that he records word for word or 75% at least. There’s already been a few that have been leaked and other names that have been floated around consistently who have given him songs. So we gotta stop calling it “alleged writers” or “they only give him a line” or “they only give him melodies to sing”. It’s a lot more than that let’s be hones. But Drake understands the illusion is greater than the truth as long as the illusion makes people feel better
Some of the commenters are such dumbasses to me. You can disagree with Questlove all you want, but don't forget that he's a part of one of the best Hip-Hop groups of all time so in theory he did more for the Hip-Hop than all of this comment section combined :D
This is the first time we got the 2 big dawgs going at it while still on top of the game Biggie never responded to Pac Nas was not doing good when Jay dropped Takeover, he had to make a comeback 50 was the new guy on the scene when he went at Ja. He blew up after the fact
Nawl ww not doin that saying everybody got writer's even if someone sumg a not3, that's 2 different things. Writing a verses is totally different than somebody helping with a hook or a note...U cant be top 3 with writer's...U can be respected as an overall artist but not as the top lyricist
?uestlove need to Stop. Rap beef from the 90s to early 2000s was getting radio stations and venues clapped up. Had Hot97 lookin’ like a warzone up there. Damn near got HipHop banned out the building. And it was definitely about Skill. Kendrick rapped in every style and on every style of production imaginable. He was fitting like 30 different flows on each song, LOL. And Drake always flows on them stripped down Pop-Trap Beats
Yeah I totally disagree with the idea that skill didn't matter here. Maybe it didn't for some, but everyone is always going to take whatever thing they want from a piece of art. For the people that really love the music, the skill was definitely something those listeners looked for. That doesn't mean that the mud slinging didn't matter. Just means it's not a simple thing here.
when he banged the New girl he signed whilst she was engaged to her boyfriend of 7 years who was there for her i lost respect for drake .he deserves more than the smoke
Boomers nowadays are talking down on beefs getting dirty when we all know those same guys were completely down for biggie verse pac, which ended in the deaths of two men, let’s not pretend these old heads have ever been “better than this” these wannabe gate keepers of hip hop have such a holier than thou attitude and that’s why young rap fans don’t care what they say, it’s hypocritical nonsense.
Tbf your logic is off…. You basically said “quest love is talking down on beef because the last big beef he saw (no diddy) killed the participants” Well of course he don’t want it now. I disagree with him tho.
@@maxsmart9116 that ish kill me everytime i hear goofies say boomer and the have no idea what a "baby boomer" is. These people most have slept through all of life.
These dude are upset, because a microscope is being put on the underhanded stuff that's happening in hip hop by another rapper. Notice some of these dudes quick to say this battle is so wrong are the same types who defend Puffy and were defending R. Kelly.
As far as my fellow West Philly and high school alumnus Questlove, his take is off. I don't know if he's tapped into battle rap culture the way Kendrick and Drake are because research is done before these combatants throw darts at each other. It's a different time and let's be honest with every rap battle that happened before the information age both competitors would have looked for dirt on the other if they could have found some.
Questlove is out here acting like rappers should be held to a higher standard than Religious leaders, CEO's of companies worth billions, and politicans running to be President. Mudslinging happens in many forms of competition; why should Hip-Hop be exempt from this?
This dude is like "if it wasnt a Drake diss, does Kendrick get a number 1?" like "if the Nuggets hadn't played against the Celtics last year, do they get a chip?"
Well... None of those diss tracks would be number 1s if not for Drake, so he aint lying. Drake maximizes things for a lot of people whether it's beef or if he hops on a record.
FEEFO: If your sole focus is numbers, you aren't in the ballpark of understanding the implications of this culture. Is this what Hip-Hop is being simplified to being? Numbers?! Quest is trying to address the specs that make Hip-Hop culture an outstanding artform. He is just saying the beef has less to do with the competitive aspect of MCing as opposed to actually addressing something much more serious. Pedophelia in Hip-Hop becomes less of an MC vs MC thing, it is questioning the moral validity of the notable figures who represent the cuture. So, the question is: Is Drake Hip-Hop? Was this battle truly about MCing and the culture or was it just a scope magnifying the industry claws which have insidiously moved in on the culture of hip-hop, under the guise of a pop act meant to maximise on the capital gain of the culture? That being said: i still am not falling into the trap of American tropes talking about a #1 spot. Which MC battled everyone and won? It's a popularity contest and pageantry. That's why the MF DOOMs, Aesop Rocks, Ka, Jean Grae, Lupe Fiasco, Stogie Ts, Brother Ali, Dialectrik Blue etc will always operate outside of these margins and ridicule this bottle neck effect of trying to define "the best" of art. It's a joke! Hit Em Up is not a diss track I hold in high esteem. My bias is in favour of the spirit in which I was gifted Hip-Hop. That track was all aabout destruction and the demise of two MCs is testament to the energy of that beef. It was ugly. It's easy to sit outside and watch, only to state, "I didn't want it to go that far." Is every "fan" just standing by and waiting for it all to come crumbling down, only to exonerate their position with hands thrown up in "innocent bystander" stance? Everyone wants a dog in the ring but never wants the shame of the aftermath. This is why a true artist has to truly stand alone with conviction on their position within their expression. Pandering to a crowd will never be an adequate sheild for the level of negligence they exude when the tables turn. #scarecrowzw *sorry for any typos
Ok you wrote a lot and I won’t respond to everything but here’s my take on what you said. I’m not solely focused on numbers and hip hop is much greater than just numbers which is why we love Kendrick, JID, Brother Ali, Ka, Griselda, Roc Marciano, (do I really need to keep going?) etc.
Pay attention to the rappers who speak out against this battle. They are the weirdos who police the predatory behaviors Kendrick spoke on.. Dot said fuck the industry and he meant it. A lot of those dudes are compromised
Quick question for y’all (sub included), am I just missing some album reviews this year or have DEHH just not gotten around to them? I feel like there’s some solid projects that dropped (like Roc Marci’s album, that Alchemist and Oh No project, etc). If they’re reviewing more on Patreon, just lmk and I’ll become a patron quick lol. I just wanna make sure I’m not missing any reviews.
I’m just gonna listen to Dehh and ignore that this dude really tried to make it into “light skin vs dark skin”. We’re doing racism within the same skin color now😂? Who’s thinking about it that way, such a cop out for why people are saying Kendrick won
Does Drake survive this... Unfortunately yes but he (and Cole) claims as the best MC have been aggresively revoked by the public eye and social media detectives all over Reddit and Twitter are continuing to make Drake look worse by the post (exposing all or most of Drake's claims and magnifying the allegations against him). In addition to this now Ak is facing SA allegations himself, which by extention makes Drake look even worse in his own circles. His public reputiation is pretty much in the toilet for now., I'd just lay low for summer and come back in the fall with an R&B album.
@iDewThis4Yu I keep seeing ppl saying Drake will be fine, but I dont think theyve been going down the rabbithole this past week. I think Drake is in some deep deep trouble coming up. Hes done.
Regarding what boosie said, hes got to be fair...they didnt tear each other down...that describes a battle, this was more of an execution of a singular party.
I wish I was there so I could tell home how corny TI was for that Flip shit. 20 years later and still no tape of Flip dissing The Tipster 🤣 Also Kanye is a producer so him having writers is cool. Aubrey don't produce a damn thing behind those boards so for him to have writers puts him in the popstar role, and that's OK. MJ is the king of pop and was loved for it, so why can't yall put Aubrey be in that same category 🤔
That's how you can tell bro is industry connected cause wtf you mean what's the difference between Kanye having writers and Drake having writers. We know the difference lol. Not being a songwriter doesn't diminish you as a performer but it surely does as an emcee if that's the type of thing you care about. And we're not talking someone polishing a bar in the moment or throwing you an adlib, Drake has a team of writers.
Maybe it’s because I’m 24, but personally I don’t think Hit ‘Em Up is that great. 2pac was great but all the features drag the song down and they take up too much of the song
Pac went at the wrong guy, too. Jimmy Henchman was apparently the one behind it and Biggie (not involved)would've been a snitch if he told Pac as much. I also think he was corny for dissing Stretch and Prodigy. MC Eiht breaks down the issues with Pac's reaction really well.
@@AngeBiampandou yep I feel the same about all those old diss records. They just don't hold up for me. Maybe a random name to throw out here, but Joe Budden has some of the best diss songs because they're fleshed out and have substance. Same with Beans and Kiss.
I think the 'legends' like Questlove, after years working with the industry or in a corporate environment just know it's better to not upset anyone. This is also why most of them refuse to say who won or say "nobody" won. I do agree it would've been better without crazy allegations from both sides but this situation happened with pretty much every major beef in hiphop history
Definitely too different levels. Upper echelon and Mid. Hits are irrelevant when it comes to emceeing. Rakim didn't sell as many records and Drake is light-years behind him in terms of lyrical skill.
I think that’s the point they were all making for him in here where he’s more so thinking about how REAL these beefs would get back in his day. So looking at it from that perspective i can see him being older now like “yea we don’t need y’all doing this because when we did it shit happened and i don’t want to see that today”
@@directedbysunny I’d agree with you if the situation that I stated happened back in his day. Look at the names I said. 21 Savage and the Migos. That wasn’t that long ago and they probably 20 years older than those guys. I love the bone thugs (i grew up in Cleveland and actually met Lazy when i was a kid I have no bias against them) but I do not want to hear that from them after I saw that. They already saw how beef was back in their day and still brung that energy to todays rappers when they had a problem with them
@@darrellwilliams9168 Nah I can respect that. I just see how he has that stance given his age. Like Ken said he’s not adjusted to how things are now where a beef doesn’t automatically equate to violent level tension. Though some still do fold out that way like Benny and Freddie which was also recent
@@directedbysunny fair enough. I can get with the message just comes off strange coming from them given the last time they had beef that’s how it went. I will say Drake needs to stop bringing people’s family’s into rap beef. Once you start mud slinging the other party will too or it may go straight to violence.
@@darrellwilliams9168 And i definitely agree with you there. He should’ve kept this strictly raps but he be trying to do too much ever since Push. Wayne told him to keep it Canadian lol
I'm an old head and I don't agree with that take at all. The only thing I've found disappointing but not surprising about this beef is all the TMZ shit that went on around it from the fans and people affiliated with the rappers.
22:36 Good point, in my opinion, the artist getting richer is a byproduct. I think Kendrick tackled that angle of trading currency for cultural currency throughout the whole beef pretty well however.
I think it's interesting that they are discrediting two people who have been a part of rap for so long. They can obviously have an opinion, but I feel like questlove and Layzie* contributed enough to rap for them to have an objective opinion about whether this was or was not good for rap. It wasn't about bars it was about gossip and public opinion with STILL no real receipts for any of the serious stuff.
It’s hypocritical. Bone Thugs beefed with 3-6 for years. Go back as listen to those songs and tell me where it was all about skill. Then they had a fight of stage DURING their Verzus concert! Ppl also forget the Roots took shots at Biggie and Bad Boy. Since they didn’t pass on the beef when it was on the plate they should calm down with the criticism.
They aren’t discrediting any of the rappers mentioned in this convo. They simply don’t fully agree on their stances and gave legit reasoning as to why. You contributing to the genre doesn’t mean I have to agree with every opinion you have on it. Two things can be true in the case. Quest is a huge contributor but he can also sound outdated with his takes 🤷🏽♂️
@@directedbysunny Ken was the only one that actually acknowledged the point Quest was making. They said he was wrong, not that they disagree. He straight up "got it wrong". He has an opinion as a musician. They have an opinion as a critic. I value Quest's perspective over theirs. Just because something has been one way doesn't mean it needs to continue down that road.
@@HNB444 That’s still not discrediting though is what i’m saying. You’re taking it a bit too personal because of how high you yourself hold Quest’s opinion but someone disagreeing with it doesn’t automatically equate to them discrediting them. I value an Isaiah Rashad’s opinion pretty high but if he says something i don’t agree with I just don’t. It doesn’t mean i’m trying to take anything away from what he’s done as an artist or musician. A broken clock is still correct twice a day and a working clock can still be a couple seconds behind. In this case i think he’s just a couple seconds behind because he’s viewing it from an older perspective which is fine
@@directedbysunny I mean what they did was textbook discrediting his 0opinion. You're doing it too. You're using excuses and attacking his age to devalue his point. We can agree to disagree but I still think the lack of honest critique is glaring and interesting.
There’s a few things: All these OG’s are out of touch and I’ll say this you can grow but with growth comes the ability to put yourself in peoples shoes and if your able to do that then you understand each side not only to forget niggas this hip hop and people never mention Kendrick said it can be a friendly fade and nobody saying Drake wrong for taking it there and if we gone say this bad than we should cancel all battle rap events every single ones Second: We underestimating Drake loss I think this will effect Drake in a bad way we not gone see it now but trust me we will especially if make more music with Atlanta artist we gone look at the Atlanta artist different Third: It’s weird how nobody addressing these Proven Drake allegations not this channel because ion expect y’all to address it cause I come to y’all about the music but these other channels that’s ignoring it
Yall keep thinking Drake gon be ok after this. We’ve never seen a artist reach his levels for this long. And we’ve never seen a artist at that level get swept. And he has weird history online aswell.
I think it’s definitely a huge stain he’s going to have to wear for a while but honestly unless an actual investigation gets launched and he’s pinned with something it just remains as accusations and celebrities have been excused for far worst in history. So i think J. Nicks was spot on at the end. He’ll drop some music at some point and the fans will make excuses for him as long as they are able to
@@directedbysunny but again this is a new situation. He is the first of his kind. And a artist at that level taking that type of L is different. So I disagree. People keep acting like this was really just about music. When this ish was about culture and Black Americans standing up. So no his career won’t go back to normal. He stands on #1 and stats. That ish is over. He better make RnB. 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
@@directedbysunny erything Kenny exposed about this lame me along with several other thinking people have said the same things. But it was mainstream medias job to NEVER present ANYTHING NEGATIVE about that mf. The people see wassup. 💯👌🏾
@@directedbysunny Drake stans are large than the masses of people who see through the Drizzler’s bs games. In Toronto too. They can see the truth. The people run Hip Hop. 💯
In exposing Drake, he exposed himself. He showed the world that he'll be quiet about sexual predator allegations until it's convenient for him. Which makes him complicit. But yall aint about to talk about that though.
@@smoothsavage2870you want to be a lawyer so bad lol drake did the same thing he calling Kendrick a woman beater but wanted Kendrick on the song with him and Cole
My man put out another timeline lol supposed to be dropping info Monday so we’ll see how it plays out before we jump on it. Don’t want to make a whole video then its just somebody clout chasing.
@@boboyamyams it’s not the same. Nas couldn’t even get a number 1 album around that time. So he definitely wasn’t big . With Kendrick and Drake you can’t say another rapper is bigger than these two. With Nas mad rappers was bigger
@@stevieb274DMX wasn't bigger than Jay-Z in 2001. Maybe in 1998-99 when he was dropping number one albums twice a year but def not in 2001 when Jay-Z dropped The Blueprint. Hell nah
I actually agree with Quest, in regard to not wanting the mud slinging. Mainly because on "6:16 in LA" Kendrick was rapping his ass off and Drake was floating on "Family Matters" but we were so focused on the content and not the lyrical skill, it got overlooked. If we focused on lyrical skill and songwriting ability, that would've been so much fun and imo, Kendrick would've washed either way🤷🏾♂ Also, can we stop with the whole "Would he be #1 without Drake?". YES. Drake has records out that aren't #1 soooo yeah. If he wasn't dissing Drake and Not Like Us dropped, it would more than likely still be #1.
Those tracks from Kendrick would not have been that high without Drake being attached. Drake is a multiplier for a lot of people, including Kendrick mainly because he's the hottest AND most hated rapper in the industry right now.
Lmfao you're smoking crack if you think not like us would've gone #1 without it being about Drake. The song couldn't even exist without him. People keep bringing up ghost writers like Kendrick didn't call in the whole west coast and Taylor's producer like the avengers. That shit was a group effort and people did their part to make it go #1. I saw people acting like barbs talmbout putting it on repeat on mute while they went to sleep. What part of the game is that??
Fuck it, here’s a short list of better lyricists. Ka, Lupe fiasco, Aesop rock, black Thought, roc marciano, busdriver, daylyt, iron Solomon, Mach hommy, DOOM, EL-P, dead prez, Saul Williams, 3 stacks, crooked I, Nas, Pharoahe monch, talib kweli, mos def, gift of gab, king los, and lastly, carnage the executioner. In fact, while I’m at it, here’s some better lyricists outside of rap Kishi bashi, Devin Townsend, James mercer, Benjamin p cooper, hrvrd (not sure which one of them writes the songs), and lastly the number twelve looks like you (also unsure who writes their songs)
@@subtokeatonwalsh6562Their more complex but none of them are as meaningful as Kendrick it's Substance (Meaning) Vs Structure (Complexity) and Substance is more important.
@@mindeyethemasterscreen2712 that’s just entirely untrue, just using lupe as an example, his first album, while less structured, made the same point as damn does and is arguably more In depth, the cool makes a more nuanced version of the point made in GKMC, while also being the album in which the character of Michael young history really comes into his own, which is a character that spans almost every lupe album, multiple mixtapes, and interconnects with the story of the long chains from drogas wave, which in and of itself is an album split into 3 parts all tackling the idea of rewriting history in different ways, and includes songs like WAV files, which tells the story of the long chains and critiques the culture around modern celebrity culture and the music industry in one running double entendre, and his album tetsuo and youth, aside from being an album that plays forward and backward before damn, is such a masterpiece I don’t even want to spoil any of it if you haven’t heard it. Not to mention there are different kinds of meanings artists use, lupe and Kendrick critique large societal issues, someone like Aesop rock is very small scale, he can turn his favorite donut shop into a commentary on the way a friend’s untimely death colors your whole life or a brief interaction with a barista into an in depth dismantling of the feeling of aging and losing your place in society as the young cool person. And then there’s someone like busdriver who does both and hides that complexity behind bombastic humor. You’re right about some of those dudes being less meaningful but a few of them are less technically skilled and more meaningful, like dead prez, and then someone like ka is less abstract but potentially the most meaningful rapper to ever pick up a pen. And to be clear, no animosity here, I just like discussing this kind of thing.
@@lun4766 If you gained weight for jumping into conclusion you would be one big elephant He said every rapper has a writer . Have u ever seen lupe ,kendrick,cole having people write for them ??
@@TheRapTheoryofficial brother you just named artists whose appeal is their lyrics, would you be surprised if mainstream rappers that rely more on their beats and"vibes" had ghostwriters? i sure as hell wouldnt be.
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Questlove. sit yo ass down and play some drums for jimmy fallon.
I love this idea that there being a number one song where Drake is repeatedly called a pedophile is somehow a W for Drake
Yeah I been seeing that from Drake stans. 💀
Kendrick not having number 1’s is straight up CAP 🧢 🧢🧢🧢🧢
Yeah, that's crazy. He had a couple of them with the Black Panther soundtrack, if I'm not mistaken
It’s more about people miss quoting the stat. “Not like us” is kdot first song to debut at 1. Other like “Humble” didn’t debut at 1 it went from 2 to 1
I like that Rod cleared things up about Kendrick on charts and numbers. He doesn’t make music to be played in clubs, radio and billboard charts. That’s not a measure of who’s a better rapper. The fact Kendrick can beat Drake at his own game shows it’s possible if he wanted. But he’ll “make music that electrify em, you make music to pacify em”
Great comment. The dude trying to use that has a parameter is very weak and whack.
Homeboy glazing Drake is funny. Kendrick cooked his azz into oblivion
Seriously fr. So skibidi glazing like a sussy girlboss
The Kendrick glazing during this beef far surpassed any Drake glazing that happened during or after. The way yall Kendrick stans are trying to revise history and gaslight to act like it's the opposite is hilarious.
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@@smoothsavage2870you're not even making any sense
@@tinkerman4326typical drakes stand. Saying whole lotta nothing just like his rap
One thing that’s pissed me off about this beef is we FINALLY got the opportunity to see two artists at the top of their game go at it and the people stay complaining. All of a sudden hip hop beef is overrated, everybody wanna be friends, and if they are “beefing” it’s 5 minute songs of lyrical miracle raps.
Even then, how is hip hop really dead when the artist who said it was dead (Nas) is still doing music?
I feel ya. Folks are trying to cap and cope pleas because Drake got swept. If Kendrick was on the losing end, then the energy would be way different.
I agree
Layzie Bone really saying "I want to see them come together and squash it" knowing damn well Kendrick thinks Drake is a sex offender
A lot of people think that and it might be true
That didnt stop Kendrick from putting a convicted sex offender on his last album.
@@AttaMan he had Kodak on his album for a conceptual point. I don’t wanna go into a deep dive into the concept of Mr. Morale. All I’ll say is, Kodak 🔥🔥 y’all pick and choose with the moralisms. Kodak is a no-no, but most people don’t even bat an eye at the fact that King Von was a legit serial killer. But whatever
@@AttaMan and that made me uncomfortable. But he also admitted fault and served his time didn't he?
He's old school. I'm pretty sure he doesn't know or care about the details.
Kendrick did the right thing ppl defending Drake r bad for the culture
He did the right thing by withholding certain information for a rap beef?
Aside from the allegations made from both sides and however you feel about Kendrick or Drake as people, you can tell there's a love for a hip hop and to push it forward as a genre on Kendricks part. He gave us 4 entirely different sounding songs, and didn't relax one bit on the technical side from the crazy voices/flow changes to the storytelling skills. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when has someone with that popularity ever showed that much range in a hip hop competition in such a short time frame?
Exactly how I feel. Euphoria demonstrates skill. Meet The Grahams is a a dope way of writing a narrative or letter writing almost. Not Like Us is catchy and that's a skill too. 6:16 in LA is solid. And even with Like That the way he commands the song even when the beat is dope is something people will remember.
The constant capping for Drake is one of the reasons so many people dislike him.
Reminds me of Lebron fans😂
@@loveNsuccessfollowsme There is a connection there
Nah, yall dislike him because yall are Hip Hop snobs who thinks everybody HAS to rap like Kendrick. The reason people hate Drake is because he was in the mainstream for over a decade, which yall have complained about for just as long, if not longer.
@@smoothsavage2870 nah bro its cus he makes bad music and is a shitty person
Drake told him to to come and rap not it's all these excuses for drake
Kendrick said that Drake is Weinstein. Was else is Kendrick supposed to do, take him to court?
Well I'd hope he'd encourage some women / people to step forward and press that he isn't lying (if he is that's wack as fuck).
Quest, the same dude performing for Jimmy Fallon and playing charades for the last 15 years wants to talk about hip hop being dead? The dude that played drums for Jay's live performance of Takeover? The dude that grew up in a time where guys were getting shot over rap beef? The dude who still tight with Talib when he harassed that black woman and got his ass booted off twitter and never apologized? He wants to get on his high horse???
Tellem
I can't stand is ass. He sold out yeaaaars. Vince Stapples is another one. All this respectability politics talk is getting on my nerves
Also the guy who jumps out the window on strangers via Instagram for no logical reason. Quest Love is a scum bag.
FACTS
Drake's music is like McDonalds, his fans will still eat it up. He will be fine
"The industry can hate me, fuck 'em all and they mama"
"fuck the industry too"
- Kendrick said it multiple times
Folk get older and forget how wild things were when they were coming up.
They also grow and get wiser and more mature
Things being a certain way in the past doesn't automatically make them positive or good, tbf.
@@chief-long-john sure, but it's different than acting like this is new territory
@@kittenpuke8918 definitely doesn't make it good, just rap beef crossing the line isn't surprising or new
Questlove also said "Hit Em Up" was WACK... he HATED it... that Jimmy Fallon money done clouded his judgement
Just looking at the stats, Hip Hop was falling off popularity wise before this happened. Now the tracks produced from this beef are at the top of the charts. Obviously, I don’t consider chart topping as an important metric for the quality of true Hip Hop, but just as a genre of music, in order for the music to survive, people have to listen and engage with it. People are listening and are now interested in more conscious rap and a higher caliber of lyricism. Before this happened, most of the music being produced was so incoherent and mindless that it isn’t engaging whatsoever. A shift was necessary.
I'm at the point when I hear hip hop is dead from someone I look at them as a lost one. If you don't know how to find the good music you like wtf you doing🤷🏾♂️
Those of yall that aren't from or in Atlanta probably don't know how big it is that J Nick's is featured on this show. How Hot 107.9 affects the industry, having him on is massive
Questlove just being a typical reminiscing old head trying to rewrite his past. Respect to him but he’s talking nonsense
They done said hip hop is dead 14 different times over the last 40 years.
Wasn’t the Roots dissing “mafioso” rappers (Biggie) in the “What They Do” video ???
Biggie was legit hurt that they dissed him in that video. He was a big fan of theirs.
@@seanyoung9014facts he adored the roots
What They Do was purely about music.
no. black thought has cleared this up in interviews.
@@awardtour93 That's true but the video made it seem more personal.
Bone Thugs and Three 6 Mafia was just fighting at the Versuz battle a couple years ago. 🤣🤣
Fr tho and they be beefing for decades now
Drake is done out here on the west coast that's for damn sure. We dont fuck with pedos, and we don't fuck with people who disrespect pac.
Questlove, and a bunch of these other 90s mushmouth artists, and being HYPOCRITES. Didn’t Quest play drums when Jay Z rapped his diss track on MTV unplugged ??
How soon we forget 😅
So what you're saying is people's opinion don't evolve or change lol
@Figleaf-Bicarbonate Either way, Hip Hop doesn't need to, in regards to disses
@@Figleaf-BicarbonateHis opinion might want to take his own past actions into account and remember how he felt about things before he became a white media darling. I'm an old head and saying hip hop is dead over this, of all things, is crazy.
@@BlackSnoopi Yeah it doesn't and Quest doesn't seem to be taking into account that Kendrick and Drake really don't like each other on a human level. I've been around for pretty much all the big rap beefs and don't remember any of them getting this deep and personal.
J Nicks Kendrick has quite a few number one records 💀💀💀 he's shown that if he wants to make a hit he can. he's also billboarded high many many many times. Drake is the biggest catalyst for not like us going #1 sure, but it's not overwhelmingly the biggest reason. Kendricks ability to make a song is also a huge factor
Yeah like of course Drake's the hitmaker but it's not like Kendrick isn't super popular, his music always charts well and sells well. Not usually as well as Drake's but Kendrick can go away for 5 years and people will still fuck with him, can't say that for everyone. That's why the popularity argument doesn't work with Kendrick.
I don't know who the guest is but I don't like the sentiment that people are okay or expecting Drake to come back even though he has the pdf jacket on. Do we really gotta wait like 15 years for Drake to end up like R. Kelly?
When Nas dropped ether, that wasn’t a problem? When Pac dropped hit it up, that was okay too? Questlove needs to shut it, bruh lol
not only that Nas ripped into the roots because they were the band that performed takeover live when jay z did his mtv unplugged to spite the release of stillmatic. if questlove is saying that we need to move past rap beef thats one thing, but hes acting like this particular rap beef was less about skill and more of a smear campaign, as if thats not an element of beef. all these beefs in hip hop have been messy, very few of them were about trying to get the title. most of em were falling outs, label disputes, and in the most extreme cases street shit.
@@PaintedHoundie facts. The only one that was mostly about the bars, from the top of my head, was LL vs Cannibus, LL vs Kool Moe Dee, and KRS vs MC Shan lol I think that might be it for real. Unless you wanna add the Cold Crush Brothers and Fantastic 5 lol but that was a bit different. Questlove sounds out of touch
the oldheads got PTSD & its justified
Someone tell QuestLove shut up and make some drums
Next thing you know, you'll be getting dissed via drums. You might not want that to happen.
that part
@@smoothsavage2870 lol i would fry Quest like a chicken wing 😂 batter flour and the lowrys
Boosie is just doesn't want to choose sides publicly.
Quest Love gotta sit this one out.
Lmaoo on god
Drake doesn’t only have people giving him notes to sing or a Cadence. He has people giving him complete songs that he records word for word or 75% at least. There’s already been a few that have been leaked and other names that have been floated around consistently who have given him songs. So we gotta stop calling it “alleged writers” or “they only give him a line” or “they only give him melodies to sing”. It’s a lot more than that let’s be hones. But Drake understands the illusion is greater than the truth as long as the illusion makes people feel better
Mainstream hip-hop is lacking. But that's music in general. Good hip-hop/rap still exists, you just have to look for it.
Some of the commenters are such dumbasses to me. You can disagree with Questlove all you want, but don't forget that he's a part of one of the best Hip-Hop groups of all time so in theory he did more for the Hip-Hop than all of this comment section combined :D
Fr these people are clowns
stfu i never cared about questlove
Ok? What he said was still objectively stupid and wrong and he needs to be called out for it
Questlove help killed hip hop when he started to do shows for that other pdf filer he works for smh 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️💀💯
IF U IN ATL U KNOW THAT JNICKS BEIN ON HERE IS CRAZY🔥🔥🔥
This is the first time we got the 2 big dawgs going at it while still on top of the game
Biggie never responded to Pac
Nas was not doing good when Jay dropped Takeover, he had to make a comeback
50 was the new guy on the scene when he went at Ja. He blew up after the fact
Boosie also buys Pros for his kids to make sure they aren’t gay, so it’s probably best we don’t listen to what he’s gotta say…ever…about anything.
Nawl ww not doin that saying everybody got writer's even if someone sumg a not3, that's 2 different things. Writing a verses is totally different than somebody helping with a hook or a note...U cant be top 3 with writer's...U can be respected as an overall artist but not as the top lyricist
?uestlove need to Stop. Rap beef from the 90s to early 2000s was getting radio stations and venues clapped up. Had Hot97 lookin’ like a warzone up there. Damn near got HipHop banned out the building.
And it was definitely about Skill. Kendrick rapped in every style and on every style of production imaginable. He was fitting like 30 different flows on each song, LOL. And Drake always flows on them stripped down Pop-Trap Beats
Yeah I totally disagree with the idea that skill didn't matter here. Maybe it didn't for some, but everyone is always going to take whatever thing they want from a piece of art. For the people that really love the music, the skill was definitely something those listeners looked for. That doesn't mean that the mud slinging didn't matter. Just means it's not a simple thing here.
Hate all these people acting like drake doesn’t deserve this smoke. 😂😂
when he banged the New girl he signed whilst she was engaged to her boyfriend of 7 years who was there for her i lost respect for drake .he deserves more than the smoke
@@TheRapTheoryofficialAnd she ain’t drop a song, album, feature, or nothing yet! He literally coerced her into sex smh
Drake needs to make a light-skinned anthem and team up with Logic, Nelly, and G-Eazy to win
Call the group light to white lol!
G-Eazy is white and so is Logic and his 25% black
lmaooooo
Boomers nowadays are talking down on beefs getting dirty when we all know those same guys were completely down for biggie verse pac, which ended in the deaths of two men, let’s not pretend these old heads have ever been “better than this” these wannabe gate keepers of hip hop have such a holier than thou attitude and that’s why young rap fans don’t care what they say, it’s hypocritical nonsense.
Questlove was born in 1971. He's not a boomer. No one that started their career in the 90s is a boomer.
Tbf your logic is off…. You basically said “quest love is talking down on beef because the last big beef he saw (no diddy) killed the participants”
Well of course he don’t want it now.
I disagree with him tho.
@@maxsmart9116 that ish kill me everytime i hear goofies say boomer and the have no idea what a "baby boomer" is. These people most have slept through all of life.
These dude are upset, because a microscope is being put on the underhanded stuff that's happening in hip hop by another rapper. Notice some of these dudes quick to say this battle is so wrong are the same types who defend Puffy and were defending R. Kelly.
As far as my fellow West Philly and high school alumnus Questlove, his take is off. I don't know if he's tapped into battle rap culture the way Kendrick and Drake are because research is done before these combatants throw darts at each other. It's a different time and let's be honest with every rap battle that happened before the information age both competitors would have looked for dirt on the other if they could have found some.
Questlove is out here acting like rappers should be held to a higher standard than Religious leaders, CEO's of companies worth billions, and politicans running to be President. Mudslinging happens in many forms of competition; why should Hip-Hop be exempt from this?
Drake needs to stick with the singing and leave the tough rapper talk alone.
That boy ken couldn't wait to take a dig at Drake's lack of "skill" 😂
What's his skill? Hiring writers and grooming kids?
He wasn't lying.
AYE DONT BRING BABY JAZZE PHA ON HERE AGAIN!!!
😭😭💀💀
This dude is like "if it wasnt a Drake diss, does Kendrick get a number 1?" like "if the Nuggets hadn't played against the Celtics last year, do they get a chip?"
What Ifs are always corny and cringy
Well... None of those diss tracks would be number 1s if not for Drake, so he aint lying. Drake maximizes things for a lot of people whether it's beef or if he hops on a record.
@@smoothsavage2870k dot already had a #1 song before this beef so that logic doesn’t make sense
@@smoothsavage2870 Ahh your a drake D rider now your Kendrick obsession makes sense lol
Ken is the only one keeping it real about how bad Aubrey’s diss records were!
That’s why we watch DEHH, for the real unfiltered opinions.
FEEFO: If your sole focus is numbers, you aren't in the ballpark of understanding the implications of this culture. Is this what Hip-Hop is being simplified to being? Numbers?! Quest is trying to address the specs that make Hip-Hop culture an outstanding artform. He is just saying the beef has less to do with the competitive aspect of MCing as opposed to actually addressing something much more serious. Pedophelia in Hip-Hop becomes less of an MC vs MC thing, it is questioning the moral validity of the notable figures who represent the cuture. So, the question is: Is Drake Hip-Hop? Was this battle truly about MCing and the culture or was it just a scope magnifying the industry claws which have insidiously moved in on the culture of hip-hop, under the guise of a pop act meant to maximise on the capital gain of the culture?
That being said: i still am not falling into the trap of American tropes talking about a #1 spot. Which MC battled everyone and won? It's a popularity contest and pageantry. That's why the MF DOOMs, Aesop Rocks, Ka, Jean Grae, Lupe Fiasco, Stogie Ts, Brother Ali, Dialectrik Blue etc will always operate outside of these margins and ridicule this bottle neck effect of trying to define "the best" of art. It's a joke!
Hit Em Up is not a diss track I hold in high esteem. My bias is in favour of the spirit in which I was gifted Hip-Hop. That track was all aabout destruction and the demise of two MCs is testament to the energy of that beef. It was ugly. It's easy to sit outside and watch, only to state, "I didn't want it to go that far." Is every "fan" just standing by and waiting for it all to come crumbling down, only to exonerate their position with hands thrown up in "innocent bystander" stance? Everyone wants a dog in the ring but never wants the shame of the aftermath. This is why a true artist has to truly stand alone with conviction on their position within their expression. Pandering to a crowd will never be an adequate sheild for the level of negligence they exude when the tables turn. #scarecrowzw
*sorry for any typos
Third Eye opened
Ok you wrote a lot and I won’t respond to everything but here’s my take on what you said. I’m not solely focused on numbers and hip hop is much greater than just numbers which is why we love Kendrick, JID, Brother Ali, Ka, Griselda, Roc Marciano, (do I really need to keep going?) etc.
Pay attention to the rappers who speak out against this battle. They are the weirdos who police the predatory behaviors Kendrick spoke on.. Dot said fuck the industry and he meant it. A lot of those dudes are compromised
I don't think Questlove polices any sex offenders
@@rileyscherer129it’ll be the one you least expect
@@rileyscherer129it could be j cole
Kendrick is compromised like all these other dudes so what are you really sayin my guy?
You're reaching
“Does Kendrick have number ones” yes, and his albums have stayed charting higher and longer than drakes.
J nicks was cool to have in the conversation. Clearly knew a lot about Atlanta culture, would be nice to see him on again.
He’s the host of Hot 107.9 down here. Been apart of the Atlanta scene for years now
Quick question for y’all (sub included), am I just missing some album reviews this year or have DEHH just not gotten around to them? I feel like there’s some solid projects that dropped (like Roc Marci’s album, that Alchemist and Oh No project, etc). If they’re reviewing more on Patreon, just lmk and I’ll become a patron quick lol. I just wanna make sure I’m not missing any reviews.
Man the "BEEF" series from back in the day should come back to cover this
Most of those beef were like legit I want to hurt the other person beefs this is just 2 dudes goin back and forth on records
While it sucks Myke is gone, y’all have not let up AT ALL with quality discussions. So thankful to have some real thoughts being put out on this beef.
Dude wit the purse noo foh
Drakes fan. No surprise here 😂 👜
I’m just gonna listen to Dehh and ignore that this dude really tried to make it into “light skin vs dark skin”. We’re doing racism within the same skin color now😂? Who’s thinking about it that way, such a cop out for why people are saying Kendrick won
he came back around when he exposed how much dj drama helped drake lmao
This beef is the boost for hip hop and it didn't get violent
Bruh there were direct accusations of spousal abuse and pedophilia
Drakes security got shot
@@aledandrianaccusations!
@@aledandrianso what? It always gets personal
@@Kirbystare1992I feel u bro…. Hip hop is getting soft!
Always the old heads saying "Hip Hop Is Dead"... why would you want Hip Hop Dead??? Why put that out there???
Because they're not popular anymore so the industry must be "dead" right? Lmao
@@joeblowe3180They're the new boomers
This oldhead is hype as fuck for hip hop in 2024, quess I love you but wtf
Damn Beezy..you aint see Three Six & Bone Thugs have that scuffle during that Versuz ?
How is it not tearing down when they both levied severe accusations against each other? Especially when Drake’s on everyone’s scrutiny rn
I really wonder how we would have seen classic beefs go if they had social media like modern ones.
Does Drake survive this...
Unfortunately yes but he (and Cole) claims as the best MC have been aggresively revoked by the public eye and social media detectives all over Reddit and Twitter are continuing to make Drake look worse by the post (exposing all or most of Drake's claims and magnifying the allegations against him).
In addition to this now Ak is facing SA allegations himself, which by extention makes Drake look even worse in his own circles. His public reputiation is pretty much in the toilet for now., I'd just lay low for summer and come back in the fall with an R&B album.
He might not if this investigation keeps going frfr. That dog video sketch
@iDewThis4Yu I keep seeing ppl saying Drake will be fine, but I dont think theyve been going down the rabbithole this past week. I think Drake is in some deep deep trouble coming up. Hes done.
Regarding what boosie said, hes got to be fair...they didnt tear each other down...that describes a battle, this was more of an execution of a singular party.
Feel like hip hop doesn’t want any allegations to be thrown at them when they saw the beef.
I wish I was there so I could tell home how corny TI was for that Flip shit. 20 years later and still no tape of Flip dissing The Tipster 🤣
Also Kanye is a producer so him having writers is cool. Aubrey don't produce a damn thing behind those boards so for him to have writers puts him in the popstar role, and that's OK. MJ is the king of pop and was loved for it, so why can't yall put Aubrey be in that same category 🤔
That's how you can tell bro is industry connected cause wtf you mean what's the difference between Kanye having writers and Drake having writers. We know the difference lol. Not being a songwriter doesn't diminish you as a performer but it surely does as an emcee if that's the type of thing you care about. And we're not talking someone polishing a bar in the moment or throwing you an adlib, Drake has a team of writers.
Maybe it’s because I’m 24, but personally I don’t think Hit ‘Em Up is that great. 2pac was great but all the features drag the song down and they take up too much of the song
Pac went at the wrong guy, too. Jimmy Henchman was apparently the one behind it and Biggie (not involved)would've been a snitch if he told Pac as much. I also think he was corny for dissing Stretch and Prodigy.
MC Eiht breaks down the issues with Pac's reaction really well.
B get off ur 2nd page
Same with No Vaseline in my opinion. Just a bunch of g4y jokes. I guess they hit in the 90s but eh
@@SugginCahkThere's are just as much gay jokes and f bombs in Either. "Gay-Z" comes to mind
@@AngeBiampandou yep I feel the same about all those old diss records. They just don't hold up for me. Maybe a random name to throw out here, but Joe Budden has some of the best diss songs because they're fleshed out and have substance. Same with Beans and Kiss.
I think the 'legends' like Questlove, after years working with the industry or in a corporate environment just know it's better to not upset anyone. This is also why most of them refuse to say who won or say "nobody" won. I do agree it would've been better without crazy allegations from both sides but this situation happened with pretty much every major beef in hiphop history
Quest is very industry (UMG). We were just treated to a master class in battling. He’s pleasing his pay masters
Yooo!! J Nicks!!!! Salute DEHH!!
Definitely too different levels. Upper echelon and Mid. Hits are irrelevant when it comes to emceeing. Rakim didn't sell as many records and Drake is light-years behind him in terms of lyrical skill.
Culture vs corporations
What did Lazy Bone say when Bizzie Bone was on live with a shotgun threatening the migos and 21 savage?💀
I think that’s the point they were all making for him in here where he’s more so thinking about how REAL these beefs would get back in his day. So looking at it from that perspective i can see him being older now like “yea we don’t need y’all doing this because when we did it shit happened and i don’t want to see that today”
@@directedbysunny I’d agree with you if the situation that I stated happened back in his day. Look at the names I said. 21 Savage and the Migos. That wasn’t that long ago and they probably 20 years older than those guys. I love the bone thugs (i grew up in Cleveland and actually met Lazy when i was a kid I have no bias against them) but I do not want to hear that from them after I saw that. They already saw how beef was back in their day and still brung that energy to todays rappers when they had a problem with them
@@darrellwilliams9168 Nah I can respect that. I just see how he has that stance given his age. Like Ken said he’s not adjusted to how things are now where a beef doesn’t automatically equate to violent level tension. Though some still do fold out that way like Benny and Freddie which was also recent
@@directedbysunny fair enough. I can get with the message just comes off strange coming from them given the last time they had beef that’s how it went. I will say Drake needs to stop bringing people’s family’s into rap beef. Once you start mud slinging the other party will too or it may go straight to violence.
@@darrellwilliams9168 And i definitely agree with you there. He should’ve kept this strictly raps but he be trying to do too much ever since Push. Wayne told him to keep it Canadian lol
This beef was fun, but now I'm back to ignoring the mainstream again. Better beats, better rhymes, less dumb shit.
I'm an old head and I don't agree with that take at all. The only thing I've found disappointing but not surprising about this beef is all the TMZ shit that went on around it from the fans and people affiliated with the rappers.
22:36 Good point, in my opinion, the artist getting richer is a byproduct. I think Kendrick tackled that angle of trading currency for cultural currency throughout the whole beef pretty well however.
I think it's interesting that they are discrediting two people who have been a part of rap for so long. They can obviously have an opinion, but I feel like questlove and Layzie* contributed enough to rap for them to have an objective opinion about whether this was or was not good for rap.
It wasn't about bars it was about gossip and public opinion with STILL no real receipts for any of the serious stuff.
It’s hypocritical. Bone Thugs beefed with 3-6 for years. Go back as listen to those songs and tell me where it was all
about skill. Then they had a fight of stage DURING their Verzus concert!
Ppl also forget the Roots took shots at Biggie and Bad Boy.
Since they didn’t pass on the beef when it was on the plate they should calm down with the criticism.
They aren’t discrediting any of the rappers mentioned in this convo. They simply don’t fully agree on their stances and gave legit reasoning as to why. You contributing to the genre doesn’t mean I have to agree with every opinion you have on it. Two things can be true in the case. Quest is a huge contributor but he can also sound outdated with his takes 🤷🏽♂️
@@directedbysunny Ken was the only one that actually acknowledged the point Quest was making. They said he was wrong, not that they disagree. He straight up "got it wrong". He has an opinion as a musician. They have an opinion as a critic. I value Quest's perspective over theirs. Just because something has been one way doesn't mean it needs to continue down that road.
@@HNB444 That’s still not discrediting though is what i’m saying. You’re taking it a bit too personal because of how high you yourself hold Quest’s opinion but someone disagreeing with it doesn’t automatically equate to them discrediting them. I value an Isaiah Rashad’s opinion pretty high but if he says something i don’t agree with I just don’t. It doesn’t mean i’m trying to take anything away from what he’s done as an artist or musician. A broken clock is still correct twice a day and a working clock can still be a couple seconds behind. In this case i think he’s just a couple seconds behind because he’s viewing it from an older perspective which is fine
@@directedbysunny I mean what they did was textbook discrediting his 0opinion. You're doing it too. You're using excuses and attacking his age to devalue his point.
We can agree to disagree but I still think the lack of honest critique is glaring and interesting.
Neither one them got room to talk they all was in beef at some
point!
There’s a few things: All these OG’s are out of touch and I’ll say this you can grow but with growth comes the ability to put yourself in peoples shoes and if your able to do that then you understand each side not only to forget niggas this hip hop and people never mention Kendrick said it can be a friendly fade and nobody saying Drake wrong for taking it there and if we gone say this bad than we should cancel all battle rap events every single ones
Second: We underestimating Drake loss I think this will effect Drake in a bad way we not gone see it now but trust me we will especially if make more music with Atlanta artist we gone look at the Atlanta artist different
Third: It’s weird how nobody addressing these Proven Drake allegations not this channel because ion expect y’all to address it cause I come to y’all about the music but these other channels that’s ignoring it
Drake can't comeback
Nah quest was real wrong for trashing hit em up. And what is BOOSIE talking about peacemaking?????????? Lil Nas X? Dementia must run in his family
Where is the Conway review forget all that other ish! Conway just dropped a banger and y’all need to be reviewing this asap
BBL FEEFO
Oh no a Drake stan
Stl in the building
Yall keep thinking Drake gon be ok after this. We’ve never seen a artist reach his levels for this long. And we’ve never seen a artist at that level get swept. And he has weird history online aswell.
I think it’s definitely a huge stain he’s going to have to wear for a while but honestly unless an actual investigation gets launched and he’s pinned with something it just remains as accusations and celebrities have been excused for far worst in history. So i think J. Nicks was spot on at the end. He’ll drop some music at some point and the fans will make excuses for him as long as they are able to
@@directedbysunny but again this is a new situation. He is the first of his kind. And a artist at that level taking that type of L is different. So I disagree. People keep acting like this was really just about music. When this ish was about culture and Black Americans standing up. So no his career won’t go back to normal. He stands on #1 and stats. That ish is over. He better make RnB. 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
@@directedbysunny erything Kenny exposed about this lame me along with several other thinking people have said the same things. But it was mainstream medias job to NEVER present ANYTHING NEGATIVE about that mf. The people see wassup. 💯👌🏾
@@directedbysunny Drake stans are large than the masses of people who see through the Drizzler’s bs games. In Toronto too. They can see the truth. The people run Hip Hop. 💯
Agree with questlove rap beef played out but I’m glad Kendrick exposed drake he had to go
In exposing Drake, he exposed himself. He showed the world that he'll be quiet about sexual predator allegations until it's convenient for him. Which makes him complicit. But yall aint about to talk about that though.
@@smoothsavage2870you want to be a lawyer so bad lol drake did the same thing he calling Kendrick a woman beater but wanted Kendrick on the song with him and Cole
When is dead end gonna get real deal LETS TALK EBONYPRINCE2k24!!!!
My man put out another timeline lol supposed to be dropping info Monday so we’ll see how it plays out before we jump on it. Don’t want to make a whole video then its just somebody clout chasing.
That dude is cap
that turned out to be a Michelin star nothing 🍔
@@sludgepls I mean the photos he’s dropped raised enough mystery u can fill in the gaps
@birdmanfancy9627 you're not wrong, I still keep up cuz I'm super nosy lol
Nas not the top guy when him and Jay was beefing
He was in so far as the craft, his pen was superior, jay moved business like more effectively though
@@boboyamyams it’s not the same. Nas couldn’t even get a number 1 album around that time. So he definitely wasn’t big . With Kendrick and Drake you can’t say another rapper is bigger than these two. With Nas mad rappers was bigger
@@stevieb274 like who
@@boboyamyams Eminem, and DMX, was bigger than Jay and nas. I can name more that was bigger than nas around the Jay beef too.
@@stevieb274DMX wasn't bigger than Jay-Z in 2001. Maybe in 1998-99 when he was dropping number one albums twice a year but def not in 2001 when Jay-Z dropped The Blueprint. Hell nah
I actually agree with Quest, in regard to not wanting the mud slinging. Mainly because on "6:16 in LA" Kendrick was rapping his ass off and Drake was floating on "Family Matters" but we were so focused on the content and not the lyrical skill, it got overlooked. If we focused on lyrical skill and songwriting ability, that would've been so much fun and imo, Kendrick would've washed either way🤷🏾♂
Also, can we stop with the whole "Would he be #1 without Drake?". YES. Drake has records out that aren't #1 soooo yeah. If he wasn't dissing Drake and Not Like Us dropped, it would more than likely still be #1.
Those tracks from Kendrick would not have been that high without Drake being attached. Drake is a multiplier for a lot of people, including Kendrick mainly because he's the hottest AND most hated rapper in the industry right now.
@@smoothsavage2870 bruh stop glazing every damn comment you protecting drake like that's your SO
@@TheSlanderousTruth If i was glazing Kendrick you would be patting me on the back though lmao.
Lmfao you're smoking crack if you think not like us would've gone #1 without it being about Drake. The song couldn't even exist without him.
People keep bringing up ghost writers like Kendrick didn't call in the whole west coast and Taylor's producer like the avengers.
That shit was a group effort and people did their part to make it go #1. I saw people acting like barbs talmbout putting it on repeat on mute while they went to sleep.
What part of the game is that??
@@HNB444 Exactly. Kendrick stans act just like Barbz.
Lol
Agree
k dot is the most lyrical human ever. He's above hip hop. He's an world wide award winning artist.
Glazing is off the charts on this one
Fuck it, here’s a short list of better lyricists.
Ka, Lupe fiasco, Aesop rock, black Thought, roc marciano, busdriver, daylyt, iron Solomon, Mach hommy, DOOM, EL-P, dead prez, Saul Williams, 3 stacks, crooked I, Nas, Pharoahe monch, talib kweli, mos def, gift of gab, king los, and lastly, carnage the executioner.
In fact, while I’m at it, here’s some better lyricists outside of rap
Kishi bashi, Devin Townsend, James mercer, Benjamin p cooper, hrvrd (not sure which one of them writes the songs), and lastly the number twelve looks like you (also unsure who writes their songs)
@@subtokeatonwalsh6562Their more complex but none of them are as meaningful as Kendrick it's Substance (Meaning) Vs Structure (Complexity) and Substance is more important.
@@mindeyethemasterscreen2712 that’s just entirely untrue, just using lupe as an example, his first album, while less structured, made the same point as damn does and is arguably more In depth, the cool makes a more nuanced version of the point made in GKMC, while also being the album in which the character of Michael young history really comes into his own, which is a character that spans almost every lupe album, multiple mixtapes, and interconnects with the story of the long chains from drogas wave, which in and of itself is an album split into 3 parts all tackling the idea of rewriting history in different ways, and includes songs like WAV files, which tells the story of the long chains and critiques the culture around modern celebrity culture and the music industry in one running double entendre, and his album tetsuo and youth, aside from being an album that plays forward and backward before damn, is such a masterpiece I don’t even want to spoil any of it if you haven’t heard it.
Not to mention there are different kinds of meanings artists use, lupe and Kendrick critique large societal issues, someone like Aesop rock is very small scale, he can turn his favorite donut shop into a commentary on the way a friend’s untimely death colors your whole life or a brief interaction with a barista into an in depth dismantling of the feeling of aging and losing your place in society as the young cool person. And then there’s someone like busdriver who does both and hides that complexity behind bombastic humor. You’re right about some of those dudes being less meaningful but a few of them are less technically skilled and more meaningful, like dead prez, and then someone like ka is less abstract but potentially the most meaningful rapper to ever pick up a pen.
And to be clear, no animosity here, I just like discussing this kind of thing.
@@ddbook9469 I cannot help if yall can't comprehend his lyrics. Ole hickory dickroy dock ass simpleton.
i don’t think boosie is not interested in it but i’m with him there’s women around you and you being a groupie to another over 2 other men
Booties is so one dimensional. He says that but drops a diss track about his own daughter..
He has his priorities all fucked up 🤣🤣🤦🏾♂️
Wasn’t Questlove on that Epstein list?
3rd
The guy in Glasses is Just yapping he is not of the culture
Did we watch the same video? Yall acting like he glazing him, dude literally said kdot won
@@lun4766 If you gained weight for jumping into conclusion you would be one big elephant
He said every rapper has a writer . Have u ever seen lupe ,kendrick,cole having people write for them ??
@@TheRapTheoryofficial brother you just named artists whose appeal is their lyrics, would you be surprised if mainstream rappers that rely more on their beats and"vibes" had ghostwriters? i sure as hell wouldnt be.
Bro used 'yapping' in 2024 💀
@@quietbatperson sorry are you a dictionary update ??