Jokic or Embiid? Shaq and Stephen A. discuss
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ESPN's Jokic hate needs to be studied.
Embiid literally stayed in a blowout loss today to stat pad his 30/10 stat streak. Fraud MVP incoming
He just did what Nurse told him to do, that's the coach's decision.
@@Cosmo-Kramer lol, no
@@WarriorVinyard Actually, it was Nurse's decision. It's always the coach's decision, and happens everywhere around the league. Perhaps you'd know that if you'd put Madden down and pay more attention to the actual NBA.
cant really call it fraud since mvp is a regular season award
@@Cosmo-Kramerno embiid is a stat padder and you’re just dum enough to make excuses for him like all his dum little fans do
Is not all about championship, Joel number always go down in the playoffs while Jokic always go up. Jokic already have several clutch moments in the playoffs while Joel got cold-feet and self-destruct when the moments matter most.
Embiid numbers go down in playoffs because in regular season he gets all kind of calls that is not called in play off. That is 6-7 free throws less
His FT stats are same in playoffs. Averages 12 in regular season, 11 in playoffs. No his level goes down against big teams in big games, while Jokic level goes up to the point of averaging a triple double in those big games@@milanjovanovic6259
All those things about Embid reminding me talks about Harden back then : he has to win, and be even better in playoffs than in regular season, like all the greatest did.
@@milanjovanovic6259because he is a flopper
yeah basically he needs to prove everyone wrong and dominate in the playoffs, even if they don’t win the finals, as long as he dominates he will gain respect.
So far, he has gained no respect for what he’s done in the playoffs.
Compare that to Jokic’s playoff resume, multiple 3-1 comebacks, buzzer beaters, clutch shots, triple doubles etc.
Jokic beat Ant, KAT, Gobert, Booker, KD, swept Lebron and AD, and beat Jimmy Butler; all in one playoff run!
Embiid has beat…. the raptors once?
Last post season he went from 33ppg in the regular season to 23ppg in the post season. That’s one of the biggest drops from a reigning MVP.
Jokic's selflessness inspires selflessness in his teammates. That makes the Nuggets hard to beat, especially in the playoffs. When other MVP hopefuls think they have to attract more attention to be recognized, that does the opposite to their teams.
Exactly. Team psychology is very important and I think it's missing in Philly.
The Nuggets have the best personality chemistry up there with Ja Morant's team.
When you see how fired up those guys are- u understant how much motivation plays a role.
Embiid is no leader.
bingo!
Glad Shaq got this conversation on the basketball issues because Stephen A was doing his subtle racism thing again. He never gave Jokic the time of day saying he hadn’t won anything, but now he wants to give Embiid a pass when HE hasn’t won anything. Blatant double standard. Thanks Shaq.
He said nothing about race bro
@@spiritualatom2535then maaaybe he should stop calling black players "brothas"? Also, why the hell is he even calling them that lol
You need to listen more closely, it's there. Embiid whined his way to the MVP, then laid an egg in the playoffs. @@spiritualatom2535
@@spiritualatom2535 You don't need to explicitly say "race" for it to be about race. He is treating Embiid differently than Jokic. Before it was about how Jokic haven't won anything but now when he has won a ring that suddenly doesn't matter in the comparison with Embiid.
Crazy thing is if you even just sit down and watch the two, it's not CLOSE. Jokic is just straight transcendent. His affect on the game is a once in a generation, maybe even less. Numbers do tell a lot, but they don't always tell the whole story.
if the roles were reversed, if Embid had a ring and 2 MVPs and Joker had one and was chocking in the playoffs, nobody would ever say it is close. There would be no debate, everybody would say Embid is better. So why are we having this debate then???
You know how it is with Stephen A...it's because Jokic is white and Euro...
@@MistaGrim They’re just different. Embiid is a pure scorer. Jokic is a better play maker and passer. Embiid has better offensive moves. People can value things differently when evaluating players.. Im tired of hearing this race crap.. there is no use to bring that up if you dont have solid proof of racism. It just divides and riles people up.
@@Timur21 Have you ever heard Stephen A's comparisons before about players or coaches that were black or white?
@@Timur21there’s no reason to have the debate. At all. It’s not close, and everyone sees it. If Embiid was another white guy, there would be no discussion. How do you not see the proof of racism? Joker didn’t even wanna continue his amazing regular season last year bc Screamin’ A’s coworker made all his praise about the colour of Joker’s skin. There’s been proof. That’s where all this nonsense yada yada now is coming from. Those are the roots of this. Black people are good at putting a ball through a hoop. Some black people ain’t gonna let that go easily.. that they’re currently not the best at it. Crazy. But wild af to pretend that this isn’t what’s going on. Embiid’s athleticism is blowing Stephen A away. Why isn’t Joker’s brain? I mean, he’s a living legend. All-time amazing. To be so not athletic, as black people love to boast, but still killing everybody in an athletic af game, deserves more talk than a guy who has never lived up to his potential in his most important games. I thought wisdom came through suffering. Imagine Joker. Imagine his experience. He’s being discriminated against bc of what he looks like in a foreign country by people who have been discriminated against bc of what they look like. That’s child-like maturity, mate. If Joker was black, he’d be praised more than anybody after the run he just had in the playoffs. No question. No contest. No brainer. Joker is white. That’s the issue.
Because embid dunks & takes shots they like to see. That’s pretty much it fam😂
Joker has won 3 straight MVPS
2 in regular season one in the playoffs. And he become the first person in nba history to lead in assist, points and rebounds.
Should've been 3 regular seasons tbh, we all know that.
Embiid has simply not gotten the job done in the playoffs. That is a fact. Great players are supposed to step up their game in the playoffs (like Jokic has done). Embid has not done that yet.
True,and when Joel fail all the blame goes on teammates but never on him.
Embiid reminds me of Dominique Wilkins in the late 80s and early 90s a regular season guy then in the end gets knocked out of the playoffs.
@@russenterprise6502 Wilkins played great in the playoffs. His team's were just not good enough to beat Boston and Detroit.
Some fun Joel Embiid playoff facts:
The best team he's beaten in the playoffs is the 2022 5th seed Raptors led by Siakam and FVV
He averages 22 PPG on 49.2% TS in elimination games(a 9 game sample size)
In NO playoff run has he ever averaged more assists than turnovers
He is the ONLY MVP in league history to never make the conference finals
This year, he had the biggest PPG drop from the RS to the playoffs of any MVP winning season
He turned the ball over 8 times in back to back elimination games against the Hawks in 2021
He's shot under 20% from three over his last two playoff runs
He had a worse eFG% than Russell Westbrook during the 2023 playoffs
With a chance to go up 3-1, Joel Embiid went 0-12 in the second half against the 5 seeded Hawks in game 4, including missing a wide open layup to take the lead
He got stripped by Danilo Gallnari to seal the loss in game 7
Down 3 in game 5 of the same series with 15 seconds left, he missed BOTH free throws to seal the game
All of his offensive numbers(PPG, RPG, APG, TOs, FG%, 3P%, FT%) are worse in the playoffs than in the regular season aside from FT%
He has only won ONE playoff series in his career where he played in all four wins(2022 vs. Toronto)
He is 0-3 in game 7s and has posted a 49% TS and 5.3 TOs a game in those 3 games
He once got swept in a series despite averaging FIFTEEN free throws per game(2020 vs. Boston)
Over the last two seasons, he has a 9.2 BPM in the regular season(box plus minus) and a 1.0 BPM in the playoffs
WORST OF ALL: HE IS 9/38 IN CLUTCH(within 5 points, last 5 minutes by NBA definition) SITUATIONS DURING HIS PLAYOFF CAREER, WITH AN UNFATHOMABLE TS% of 35.7%
It's no contest
Tbh Doc screwed quite a significant part of Embiid's career that Nick Nurse is about to fix but yes, just because Jokic doesn't stay in blowouts to pad his stats doesn't mean Embiid has surpassed him (yet)
And to be frank, yes, Embiid deserves the MVP THIS YEAR but because he got it last year someone else might get it tbh
@@vic1ous511 he didn't deserve it last year nor he deserve it this year. he stats pad in garbage time, and he gets tons of gift FT's while Joker gets beaten and has 5.6 FT's per game, and Emfraud has 11.6, which is almost double, and don't tell me that embiid is more physical and thats why he gets more foul calls, he gets soft calls roling on the floor, the biggest fraud ever in nba
@@vic1ous511 if he can stop with the foul-baiting, the 76ers wouldn't be as vulnerable come playoff time, as the refs would call the foul much less. We'll see.
He Didn't deserve It last year, but for now he Is deserving It this year.
Joker is the only reason I watch the nba ❤
Embiid is a regular season superstar. Jokic is clearly better. 76ers are the Dallas Cowboys of the Eastern conference. Minus the championship history. It's not even a debate. Giannis Vs Jokic is a debate, but even then it's still Jokic.
100% right
Exceptional take
Sixers will win another title before the cowgirls do. LOL
Embiid is just a James Harden. Great in the regular season
@@gorillaSportsShowhall of famers George Gervin, Dominique Wilkins, Carmelo Anthony were regular season performers but they get knocked out the the playoffs put Embiid there in the same sentence as them until he wins a ring which they did not.
If you fall on the Embiid side of this argument you are clueless about what winning basketball is. Take Jokic off the court and the Nuggets are literally one of the worst teams in the league. Put him on the court and they are literally the best team in the league. They go from worst to best simply by having him on the floor. He does everything. And he does it well.
Sixers are like this as well…
No they literally aren't@@sj4632
Embiid On-Off is +10. Jokic is +21.6@@sj4632
@@sj4632 Not really
@@sj4632 the Sixers are definitely not the best team when Embiid is on the floor.
Joker is nonchalantly playing the best basketball as a center and yet he might win his 3rd mvp and possibly a back-to-back rings, while Embiid still trying really hard to win in the east.
Don't forget that west is also far more stacked than east yet embiid still struggling.
West is literal hell these past seasons bruh.
Murray, KCP, Potter Jr, Gordon and Embiid NOT BEATING Murray, KCP, Potter Jr, Gordon and Jokic in a 7 game NBA final.😊
This!
Well put.
FACTS
Jokic maxey and harden not winning championship. Worst defensive team. Embiid on nuggets becomes best defenaive team
@@xavierb9061 Harden? Is he playing for The Sixers? 😂 Also the comparison was swapping Jokic with Embiid in a Denver squad with all the other championship pieces.
Love both of them Jokic and Embiid both great but yes Jokic won and did it with style while Embiid puts great regular season numbers but those numbers are going way to down in the playoffs and Jokic numbers go up when it matter the most..so far that was and is the difference plus Jokic is controling the game not with just filling up the sheet but all kinds of different ways..he's too smart Jokic's IQ is off the charts he's like Magic and Bird combined..Denver is going back to back this year if they stay healthy
Embiid is not gonna get the chip in Philly.
@@Mr1888888888 then where is he going go? If he forms a superteam, the following championship he would win would be slandered. I think Philly is missing one more crucial piece to make the finals convincingly.
They need one more piece
AGREED 💯 Superb analysis Alek eloquent and too factual bro. 😎 They stay healthy, Yes Denver there going back to back. 💯
@@AbundantMindsetClubI need to get a Murray and Joker shirt. There’s even a jokic shirt where’s he’s dressed as the joker at a table with shaq and Kareem lol all listening to him
I think the point Shaq was making is that the superstar has to make his teammates better. Jokic does that as evidenced by his leadership, passing and assists. I'm not sure Embiid has that in him but then again, I'm not sure he has the right teammates or coach either.
You haven't watched the Sixers this year.
@@Heartbrayk.yall say this every year no one cares 😂
Right teammates?? Embiid had some of the best talent in the NBA and still couldn’t get it done. Butler, Simmons before his demons, Harden, JJ reddick, Tobias Harris now Maxxey. Give Jokic any of those guys and it’s a wrap what are we even talking about here???
Besides Murray on Denver, that whole team would be nothing without Joker and I’m a Nuggets fan through and through. Nuggets with and without Joker on the floor is night and day 🥹
Well, you can't say that when Embiid played horrible last year in play offs while Maxey was solid all the time. Do you understand that people blamed Harden soo much so actually had 2 games with 40+ points against Celtics and those are the only games that Philadephia won (Embiid didn't even play when they won first game). Embiid was horrible in game 7 scoring onpy 15 points and last basket was just free because nobody was guarded him and he just run and dunked, soo he should've end that game with 13 points which is mega trash for a superstar player. He definitely has Maxey this year who averages 26 points and is playing better than Curry right now, even other players aren't bad, he definitely has really solid team and there are no excuses for him right now. He has to play at least in finals if he want to be in conversation for the best player in the league.
Embiid has had better teams than Jokic over their careers by far. It may not seem like that to casuals or people who dont watch Denver just because that's how much better Jokic makes his teammates. He's the best floor-raiser in NBA history. Every player he's played with he's made better. Shit, he took a team of G-leaguers, and a whole guard rotation that's now out of the league (and it's not due to age) to the damn 6th seed in a tough west. Just won a ring in dominant fashion with ZERO other all-stars - nobody does that, not Bron, MJ, etc etc. One of a kind. Even talking about Joel in the same sentence is a disgrace.
Why is this still a debate every freakin year?
Cuz embiid is playing great you can’t deny that. He destroy jokic with 47pt 18reb 6ast last year head to head. I believe he will do it again
@@sbkamara2003 yeah he gets how many ft's? Are you really enjoying watching his rolling on the floor and FT shootout? That crybaby is one of the biggest frauds ever. when is the last time brave Joel played IN Denver? Coward doesn't dare to go away at Joker's home field, he would suffocate at that Colorado mountain before halftime
@@sbkamara2003fam, basketball isn’t 1on 1 thats A
B embid hasn’t even played in denver since 2019
& c why is the game he had 40 memorable but not the game where he shit the bed in game 7. Last yr. Or when he didn’t even attempt a shot in the last 5 minutes. Jokic with or without competent teammates gives u superstar level production in the playoffs. Above his regular season standard. Embid does not. Worry about the dozens of playoff games embid played shit in, not the one meaningless regular season game that holds no significance whatsoever 😂 🤡
@@sbkamara2003he’s scared to play in Denver though cause Jokic has outplayed him both times in Denver and hit a game winner in Denver. Embiid hasn’t played in Denver since 2019, over 4 years
@sbkamars2003 that’s cute and all but when is Embiid going to show up in the playoffs when it matters most ?
This isn't even a conversation worth having until Embiid wins a championship. Simple. Jokic got two MVP's, Championship, and Finals MVP. A better conversation is between Jokic and Giannis. Those two are in a class of their own
100%
Nah. It's jokic. Jokic would never lose as consistently as Giannis as the higher seed - Giannis gets nowhere near the criticism he deserves for playoff failures because he won a ring when half the leagues superstars were hurt. Not to mention he played probably the weakest Finals opponent in 2 decades. Stopping a Giannis team in the playoffs is easy work, which is why he consistently loses in series he's favored in. Ridiculous that he's not heavily criticized for this. Otoh, Jokic has never lost a series he's favored in.
@@daddyfuse50true AF
@@MultiSupernova99 4 out of the last 5 seasons he's lost as the higher seed in a playoff series - most recently losing as the 1 seed against the 8 seed. That's actually crazy and dude gets 0 criticism for it, I don't get it. Loses every year and then it's right back to, "Giannis is 1a/1b best player in the league." Don't make sense.
Let's just put it this way. The other night Jokic had 4 points on 2-3 shooting... However, he still was absolutely the best player in the whole floor and dominated the game. He had 16 assists... When Joel Embiid is so good that he can score 4 points and still dominate a basketball game we can talk...
That kind of shit blows my mind.... Actually what blows my mind is how Jokic and his team completely fall in line with whatever way he wants to play HIS game. And he makes very good decisions on when to score, or when to assist. Never seen anything like it out of a big man like him. So crazy
fact is that Joel does not have nearly as good numbers in playoffs as he has during regular season, whereas Jokic has way better numbers in playoffs than he has during regular season, there is no secret ingredient, Jokic just have much more confidence and is more clutch player.
Skillset?!!! Joker's skillset is way above Joel's and it is not even close. Come on people...
Also one plays for his team, other one is playing for himself. And because we all know who is who, no need to write the names, because it is clear.
At the moment the difference between Jokic and Embiid seems similar to the difference between Olajuwon and Ewing. Both amazing players, but Hakeem was The Dream.
Embid is no doubt great player. We have seen this type before. but jokic is just unicorn. 1 in a billion
He said ‘’there are very few people on the planet that have been able to be what Joel Embiid does” while talking to a man who did it and more. Even less will ever do what Jokic does. SAS doesn’t understand it’s not about how something or someone LOOKS
Dude, you just pointed to 2 people. My brother, there are BILLIONS of people on the planet. 1000 people could hypothetically do what Joel Embiid does and it would still factually count as “very few people”
@@juansanchez209 buddy there are not 1000 people on earth who can do what Embiid does does
@@Troll-vj6sy Did you miss the part in my unedited comment where I wrote “hypothetically?” I’m saying that in an alternate reality where 1000 people are capable of doing what Joel Embiid does, it would still be an incredibly small number of people relative to the total population of the planet
Again, in case what I am saying went over your head again, I am saying Joel Embiid is incredibly special
@@juansanchez209 yeah sorry if at some point you thought I said he wasn’t. I did not
Joel has to win one just to get closer to Jokic. It still doesn’t make him better. Jokic is in an exclusive class that a hand full of people are in.
Embiid is just like Harden. Great regular season player.
stat padder
James Harden has been to the finals, and would have won a championship in 2018 had the Rockets not self destructed against the greatest super team ever in game 7. To slight any WC player not on the Warriors for not winning a championship from 2015-2019 is bullshit
@@tylerscott445 He went to the finals behind KD and Russ. Hard to give him a lot of credit for that, maybe he deserves a little bit.
Jump shooting foul baiter
I like how NBA said they gonna do something about flopping and yet nothing has been done
Difference, Jokic is a leader. I see the Nuggets heading for back to back Championships. Also, Jokic, don't care so definetly won't kiss butt for it.
Jokic always steps up in the Playoffs Win or Lose.....even a bad game for Joker is still efficient...You might see a 10 11 10 and those numbers shows you that he can impact the game even in an off night
The disconnect between the fans and the media is pretty astonishing
Not really close. Jokic> Giannis> Embid.
Jokic understands the game on a few levels above everyone else especially Joel. Nobody talks about how that’s more important than defense or midrange shooting. But jokic has defense and a midrange.
This is when stats don't mean shit, Embiid is literally padding, and has most of his points coming off free throws. It's the same thing Russ was doing in OKC, they were shit and losing, but the entire teams focus was to get Westbrook his stats, and he got the MVP. That year it made more sense, since there really wasn't too many good options other then Russ and Harden, but as far as Embiids MVP - nah, it's literally stat padding and refs giving him every single call. He's so freaking talented, there's no denying that, but he just isn't mentally mature or near the level of Jokic, just compare their interviews, and you'll quickly understand why one is bringing winning to his team, while the other makes his team worse when he steps on the floor (Philly has a better record without Embiid playing btw)
It's not that Embiid hasn't won, he hasn't even gotten to the conference finals.
Jokic isn’t even getting started yet with what he can do he is saving his best for the games that count
Jokic is a better teammate than Embiid, and that may always be the real difference. Embiid has had much more talent around him but the teams never reached championship level. Thats on Embbid. All of Jokic's teammates like and support Jokic, and Jokic makes them better.
Silly. Every GM, coach and team president would almost certainly take Jokic, for obvious reasons - he's better. No surprise to hear this from them tho.
The only correct answer to this answer is… 🃏❤
Joker by far
By how? Embiid smoke him last year head to head with 47pt 18reb 6ast every time they meet
@@sbkamara2003 Embiid fakes injury every time he's about to play the Nuggets at Denver. Embiid hasn't been at Denver in this decade.
Embiid not only fakes injuries, but he's so lazy, fat and soft, he always gets a real injury during the playoffs.
Come on now. They are not in the same league. Joel chokes under pressure, has an ego, worries about his stats, whined his way into MVP. Joker pushes most of his energy to make his team better. And it shows, his team is much better.
Of course Stephen A tries to push for the black player despite Shaq and everyone else prioritizing winning when discussing which player is better, nothing new here. Until Embiid gets past the 2nd round, Jokic is better period despite the BS narratives sports media tries to push
I'm a brother myself but I agree with you Stephen A always does that garbage
Embiid needs to at least maintain his ppg average in the playoffs, in the last 2 seasons he is averaging almost 10ppg less
An mvp is an example and inspires people. Jokic does
Embiid is non-existent in playoffs..whole time he is winning against Pistols,Wizards,Hornets,Raptors
Jokic shows up. Joel has already missed more than a quarter of the season, and most of the games Joel missed were road games against quality opponents, meaning he gets his numbers playing at home against losing teams (stat-padding?!).
its not close... Jokic. If he was black, I don't think there would be a discussion. I do think their is racist black people that hate jokic cause hes white. For whatever reason we its okay for black people to be racist toward white people, I do think they both be loving jokic way way more if he was black. and If joel was white, they wouldnt mention him. I do see this black biased opinion happen to guys like Eminem, that he will never get his flowers cause of his skin color, its a damn shame we still pay attention to skin color...
No one said anything about race. If em is was white they wouldn’t be telling him he needs a championship
@@spiritualatom2535 oh its 100% about it.. you literally said it in your own comment. championships have always mattered regardless of skin, idk what planet you just came from. the LACK of awarness seems to be the issue for you, but anyone that fallows the NBA when kendrick PERKINS on live tv said jokic is only getting votes cause hes white. the fact you MISSED that, disqualifies us from having a debate. do your RESEARCH buddy
@@MOBI21 can you tell me what Perkins said about all mvp winners who haven’t led in scoring?
Joel a statpadder. He takes 20+ shots per game just to pump up the numbers against teams like Pistons while Jokic takes less than 10 shot attempts against such
Joel is a choker when you need him there is nowhere to be found,he can win butt needs to live the Sixers..they are the same animal butt Jokic is a different beast
Leave the sixers for who? Brother the man was up against the celtics in game 6, & then proceeded to not attempt a shot for the last 5 entire minutes of the game . Only to lose tht game & then played like shit in game 7. That mans team is not the reason hean winning
The 76ers are pretty much the Dallas Cowboys of the Eastern Conference
OMG that is EXACTLY what I've been saying
Lol sad truth I'm a sixers fan
They only chance they had was with Jimmy butler. This season not bad but got to trade Tobias for a dog. I don't know who that yet maybe pascal
This aged well
@MrC77 at sixers win 1 playoff round lol
Joel cant do it all? check how many all-star player he play with, also he average 30+ plus on regular season but only 23 points in the playoff. shooting percentage down as well so???
The dip in his postseason numbers is because he's been injured.
@@Cosmo-Kramer How many years is he in the NBA? all those years? also some can say that's also a bad trait for him(not being healthy when it matters)
@Cosmo-Kramer lol.. that is his life story. So unreliable always injured
@@ardinsalim9048 That's an obsolete narrative.
@Cosmo-Kramer obselete? his last playoffs end with the same tale. Injured, steep dive in ppg, and choking in the most important games.
Great TEAMS with great chemistry always beat teams full of individual superstars with ego’s. Jokic is happy to have 4 points and 16 assists because his team wins. Embiid would still go home crying if he had 4 points and his team won. Enough said, end of debate!
When Embiid is doing a full playoff run without shitting the bed, let's have this conversation. Jokic, even with Murray out, has always at least fought in the playoffs. Embiid has already had a good share of embarrassing playoffs game. So, for now, this is not a real conversation. Embiid is a very good regular season player, Jokic is a champion you can give the ball to at the end of a game 7. Two different tiers of players.
Jokic would even be up there with ppg if he wants but he litterly only score many points when he need mostly he lets the other players score
joker averages more points in the playoffs than embiid at a far greater efficiency.. its really not close. joker makes his team better, embiid not so much.
He need his teammates to help him when he is tripple team but they can't shoot. He destroy jokic with 47pt 18reb 6ast last year head to head. I believe he will do it again
@@sbkamara2003 he destroyed joker last year really.. in 1 regular season game lol congrats..who got the ring and finals MVP?
@shakalaka1477 not only one games every time head to head he out play him
@@sbkamara2003 thats embiids finals game.. its just a typical regular season game for jokic that he doesnt care about too much lol he busy prepping for the finals during the regular season.
All Jokic’s numbers go up and Embiid’s down comparing their regular seasons to playoffs performances. End of the story.
Jokic mvp😊
Jokic is now the frontrunner for the MVP.
Joel Embiid is still to play a game against top 5 in East (on road) or West (on road) he DODGED EVERY hard matchup for stats
Stats are only one part of the equation. Jokic makes his whole team better. He doesn't even care about stats or triple doubles unless it helps the team. That's why they have a championship. It takes a team, Jokic makes them better, and he is just flat out amazing. Embiid is a beast, but his issue is he doesn't really make the team better. He also gets a ton of free throw points which pads his ppg. Embiid should be the top dog, but everyone knows Jokic is. He's proven it in every single stat metric.
All these experts last year were using Jokic playoff performances against him for regular season award, even though he had reached a conference final before while Embiid never made it past the semi finals while playing with HOF and All Stars but somehow they want to keep that quiet 😆
🎯🎯
Regular season MVP is more important to Embiid than a ring. He blows his wad in the regular season and is either injured or too exhausted in the playoffs.
Who else made a "tf?" face when he said Tobias Harris is one of his favorites
Joel got his pitty MVP last year. Let's see if he can win a real one this year.
Who this year’s MVP is, is definitely debatable. Who the better player is, is not debatable. Jokic ended that debate by winning a chip and finals MVP. Until Embiid wins a chip and a finals MVP, the discussion should be over.
I love Joel's story but the guy wants the MVP too much which tells me he is just in it for himself. Jokic doesn't care about the MVP which tells me he just wants to win games. The thing I like most about Jokic is that this season, he is only stepping up when he needs to; he is being the playmaker to allow the other guys on the team develop against the likes of Detroit, and then as we have seen he know how to turn it up against opponents like Golden State.
I think Jokic numbers will drop as the season goes on because he will try to get his teammates ready for the playoffs..
Denver bench is inconsistent right now.
I bet you there will be a stretch like last season where Denver was losing heading to the playoff because they was figuring up their line up.
This will happens when Denver has lock a playoff spot.
Jokic always does this during the final quarter of a season.
people dont realize this. the team needs chemistry and teamwork by switching players and strategy, and their core player oblige
They were not figuring out their lineup they were literally coasting trying to conserve guys for the playoffs cuz they had the 1 seed pretty much locked
This isnt even a question. Embiid is nowhere CLOSE to the brilliant DOG that is Nikola Jokic. End of story.
Embiid is playing incredibly well this season but I have the impression he is in his top gear already. Jokic has one more gear, playoff gear which is better than Embiid.
Embid needs to take responsibility for a lose. Every time he loses he always blames someone else.
Very understandable for 2 black brothers to favor their other black brother🤫🤫🤫🤫
By saying embody needs to win a championship…wtf
jokic a goat on and off the court
The disrespect to joker is because he is white.........
Just give the MVP to embiid. He sucked in the playoffs every year.
That’s the elephant in the room no one talks about which is how bad Embiid is in the playoffs.
Not only Joel hasn’t made it past the second round, Embiid’s scoring & efficiency consistently drops down in the playoffs compared to regular season.
Harden gets maligned for his playoff resume but Embiid never gets criticism for his bad playoffs. Just last year, Embiid had the biggest scoring dropoff by an MVP from RS to PS in NBA history.
I don’t understand why Embiid gets pass after pass from the media for how bad he plays in the playoffs
Playoff performance is irrelevant in the MVP conversation. It’s a regular season award
You lie embiid average 30 plus in 2020 playoffs and he wasn't hurt. Besides that he is playing hurt that is the real reason
Jokic is number 1 genious in the basketball world right now!
Only correct people know the correct answer...
🃏 MVP MVP MVP!!!
We are going in circles every damn season and every year when the playoffs come it's so clear that jokic is the much better player. When are we gonna stop this?
I think Shaq just said Embiid needs to avg 40 ppg in the playoffs ...
Look at both their career playoff numbers. It’s a mic drop for Joker. Not even close.
Team work , team work makes everyone better .
Much harder to win a championship today then in the 60's, 80's, 90's and early 2000's. Any team can beat the other on any given night. Back in the the day an "UPSET" was a rare and huge deal. It happens daily nowadays.
Jokic and Luka the only reason Asian watch NBA
Jokic is better than Embiid until he proves he can win it.
Why? Because the Playoffs seperate the good players and the great players. That is why we see MJ, Kobe, Lebron in a high regard because their stats go up when the lights shine the brightest.
Joel Embiid may have a good stat in the season but until he can overcome the playoffs, I cannot see him better than Jokic.
Watch the Nuggets every time they're on national television. Same with the 76ers - when they play Denver.
76ers had a chance to draft Jayson Tatum 🤣 they’re cursed
Hoping Davis feels the disrespect, being left out of these conversations. The answer is still Jokic imo, as he spreads the floor and playmakes as well as most guards, but AD is right in the same class as these guys and the best on the defensive side of things.
never watched NBA, I played a lot in Europe and watched European basketball, only for Joker I'm watching in US.
Is this really a conversation?
Yeas it is Cuz embiid is playing great you can’t deny that. He destroy jokic with 47pt 18reb 6ast last year head to head. I believe he will do it again
Embiid comparable to hardens mvp but even more stat padding. Stuff that works well now, works less when he chokes in the playoffs, and isn’t a winner
It doesn't matter if your more talented if you have never performed like a superstar in the playoffs. His stats always see a decline, doesn't play like a superstar that we see in the regular season and that's the major reason why they haven't won anything
But the point is, Embiid isn't even more talented.
All I have to say is that there's a reason there is a scoring title and an MVP. One is for scoring and one is for someone who is the most valuable player. Embid is a gifted scorer but also takes tons of shots and free throws a night. Jokic scores at will and makes his whole team better. Jokic is clearly the most valuable to his team. Not to mention Nuggets are currently tied for number 1 in the west which is inarguably the best division this year with new contenders popping up.
Jokic the best ❤
Loving those shoes Stephen A
There’s a difference, joker doesn’t press for anything. He just knows how to win
Hey Stephen, the minute you start with, "the brother,
" Jokic's accomplishments are devalued.
You're biased, my brother. From a black person
It's not even close.Joker is way better.Stop it.Embid is great but no way be is better than joker
If Joker wanted to, he can average 35 a night...but hes a pass first player
Jokic makes his teammates better and we all see that Embiid blames his teammates when he's the one who's to blame and we all see that.
If embiid won a ring and joker didn’t this wouldn’t even be a segment because you guys love Joel so much.
Jokic plays team basketball !!!
stephen "as a black man" smith was caught on live tv saying jokic dosent have a defined post game and then was obviously proven wrong by his host by the numbers so how can we ever expect him to have a bias and informed discussion as to whose a better player he'll always choose joel even if the evidence shows other wise ... lots of people get the privilege to talk sports and get paid millions for it that shouldn't and this guy = one of them
if you're gonna talk shit about jokic, bringing up his post game is one of the worst ideas you can come up with