oba of Benin is the powerful man in Nigeria , he got the words to stop every bad thing that’s going on in Nigeria. Benin rise again, is all about peace and enjoyments
Ugbo Who be a jackass!! First off he isn’t president so he ain’t ****!!! Secondly the Fulani herdsmen is running roughshod all through Nigerian and Benin so what can this tribal leader do for the greater Nigerian society???
Slim Pickens Fulani my yansh, how many years has Nigeria been here for? How long is the killing be going on ? If oba of Benin wasn’t powerful he won’t go and say listen stop all the killings frauds and human trafficking..? Tell me mumu how many presidents or whatever you gonna call it? What have they done? They Did not stop nothing. oba of Benin is not a president but he does more stuff for the country, Nigerian belong to benin. Nigeria no get sense of human, I’m proud to be benin edo empire
So how come the Europeans burned down the city and killed and looted and the then Oba had to run for his dear life to Calabar to avoid being hanged by the invading Europeans.
Thank God this video shows that this Oba of Benin visited the Orun Oba 'do shrine where all the heads of late Obas of Benin (from Oba Eweka I to Oba Adolo) were buried. Truly the Yoruba are right when they said: "The head which was crowned should not sleep away from home"
Mr T, the oba of benin remains father to all, oba Ado was benin oba, ife was home and part of benin kingdom. Olugbo of ugboland and oba of lagos can't be both lying! Yet they re both Yoruba obas, the truth is bitter,Yoruba feeling pride cos their present days population but one will ask when was Yoruba when Benin founded eko (lagos) and also in-store oba there that rules for years b4 present day Nigeria.
Mr T, Well, thank u somuch for trying to be factual but ur facts re actully manipulated, barbaric and deceitful as such irrelevant in all manners related to the real true nature of our descendents n co-values of our culture and history, I'll only pardon u cos i truly understand that the fault is not urs but the ideals of those characters whom studied all their lives in England gaining nothing but ended up speaking english language with Yoruba accent. these re all their cock n bull stories, what i personally refers to as 'story book of history; lol! Well let maintain our line of discussion, I took u up bcos of your saying n i quote, "I thank God that this video showed where Benin late old oba were buried in ife; but u faid to also understand that Benin late old oba were also buried in calabar, Are u now going to say that bcos of that, Benin ancestral home is also from Calabar?? You refers to the Benin obas that founded and ruled Lagos before Nigeria as terrorist" come on my brother Oba of benin is Royal majesty an emperor and NOT his royal highness that's for the ruling houses met for other brother children Prince and princess like oba of ife merely assume office through election why his father is still living, No true Africa kingdom pratice crown by election. king are born prince crown immediately the exits of thair father the king, and not elected into power 'if not it will be an office like the one ooni of ife is currently occupying. Wake up, Great Benin ancestral history come across all over Nigeria n beyond linking it with Ogieso n u know what that means
donren 5050 Thanks for taking your time to read and reply my comments. You noted that I was simply trying to be factual, but that I'm been manipulative, barbaric and deceitful; and that you'll pardon me. Well, I think you shouldn't have pardoned me. I expected that you'll point out how and where I have lied (citing historical facts though, not personal view) at least for others to see. Moreover, I wasn't quoting any Yoruba who "studied all their lives in England"; what I did instead was to make reference to some of the most widely attested historical facts which anyone who have taken even the most basic of classes on pre-clononial Nigerian history knows. Yes this video shows the shrine, and it is called "Orun Oba 'Do" (The heaven or resting place of Edo kings). I wonder why this Oba of Benin had this shrine on his list of places/sites to go to during his two-day visit. You seem to suggest that some Obas of Benin were buried in Calabar, hence burying them in Ile-Ife doesn't really prove anything. Let me give you the background step by step and show you where you are mistaken: (1) Only one of the Obas had something (like death or burial) to do with Calabar (contrary to your suggestion of more than one Oba). The name of the Oba in question is Oba Ovonramwen Nogbaisi (who ruled from 1888 -1897). (2) The British captured Benin City in 1897, they killed many, burnt and looted the city. The then Oba Ovanramwen Nogbaisi ran for dear life because he had learnt that the British had received orders to sentence him to death by hanging. He escaped into hiding for six months. (3) He later returned to the city to formally surrender on 5 August 1897, and he offered huge wealth in exchange for his life. The British didn't need his wealth anymore at that time because they had already discovered where the wealth were hidden. He was however pardoned but was nonetheless dethroned and exiled into CALABAR with two of his wives, and he died there in exile. (4) Regarding where he was buried, there is no absolute consensus, but many historians note that his corpse was returned to Benin and he was buried in the grounds of the royal palace; while some hold that he was buried there in Calabar. (5) But let's assume that he was buried in Calabar, this instance is just a one-off case which was necessitated by an undesirable circumstance (i.e. exile). It is clearly not a case of the palace sending the corpse of the deceased Oba all the way from Benin to Calabar for burial. So I think you are just being desperate for bringing up this non-similar instance which you even cited wrongly. (6) In the case of Ile-Ife, it is not even the whole corpse that the palace sends to Ile-Ife; it is the head only and it is not some involuntary practice necessitated by circumstance, it is simply tradition; and the Yorubas understand this because we have a saying which translates roughly as: "The Crowned Head Shall Not Sleep Away from Home". Ponder over the meaning of Edo names like: "Uheluyi", "Uhemere", and Uhe-Óbióba" meaning "Uhe community has brought glory", "Uhe community has prospered me", and "Uhe community has produced the Oba" respectively; and recall that "Uhe" is used by the Edos of old to be in reference to Ile-Ife. Stop and think about that deeply and honestly. (7) Regarding Lagos, I understand that the truth may be hurting, but I think it just have to be told at this point. The descendants of Olofin Ogunfunminire (an Ile-Ife prince) who inhabited present Lagos sometimes before the 1500s later became known as the Aworis (the name "Awori" came from the circumstance surrounding their settlement. They are to settle wherever their sacrificial plate will sink in the lagoon. "Awori" means "The Plate Sank"). (8) The Binis truly came to Lagos [I must acknowledge that, in fact the name Eko (which till today is still the native name for Lagos) is a Bini word]. But the details around the Bini-Lagos story have it that the Binis came, they met the natives (i.e. Aworis), but subdued them because by that time Bini had already grown to what we can call a super power using today's terms, but each Yoruba nation saw itself as sovereign and politically independent from the other, with Oyo being a contending "super power" from amongst the independent Yoruba nations. ### The fact that the Binis met the Aworis can even be seen in the dates. The first military ruler of Lagos (appointed by the then Oba of Benin) ruled Lagos from the year 1682, whereas the Aworis have established settlements there before the 1500s. (9) I understand that my use of the term "terrorist" may be quite strong, but dropping political correctness, that is what Benin was. But if you are still not comfortable with the term after my explanation, we may settle for a lighter term "land grabbers" and that is what all those super powers of old were, including our own Oyo empire considering its activities in Benin republic, Togo, and Ghana. They simply saw it as normal then. (10) Using "his royal highness" or "his royal majesty" doesn't really prove anything, it is simply a matter of which English word one prefers to use. After all English is not even our language. It may interest you to know that the Ooni's palace uses, "his imperial majesty". I don't think it matters still. I may even give my self a similar English title without being king of even any house. (11) The system of Oba in most Yoruba land (at least in Ile-Ife) is that each ruling house produce a prince, an the gods are consulted for the best of them, so if that is what you referred to as election, well such election makes perfect sense for us. I am aware that in Edo land, the first son of the late Oba, automatically becomes the king; well that system is not free from fault and we have seen instances even in the history of the Edo people when the system was not practicable. For example, the 4th Oba of Benin (Oba Ehenmihen) was not a son of the late 3rd Oba (Oba Uwakhuanhen). Also, the 6th Oba (Oba Oguola) was not the first son of the late 5th Oba (Oba Ewedo) even when the first son was still alive. So no human system is absolute and without its own defect, and the Edos couldn't even get their own (much prided system) right almost from the beginning. Thanks for taking your time to read.
Mr T Now I know that you are on cheap drugs or even codeine that is bound by the federal government because if you are not insane how could you regard the Bini kingship and rulership of Lagos as terrorism, I know people like you are pale and dismayed that you people can not subvert the truth about the Bini ownership of the stool of oba of Lagos despite the fact that you were trying to concoct it..... you of all people know that even a layman know your fallacy that is why with all anger you were trigger to call them terrorist.. upon knowing the relationship between the ife and Bini even the Awori people the Bini ment in Lagos are ife extraction meaning that the Binis and the Aworis have something in common My question is then what will you paedophile call the Fulanis emir kingship of ilorin all the way from sokoto to a Yoruba kwara state
Paul Kenny If being on codeine means to be able to refute your lies, then I love such codeine diet; and you seem to imply that your own drugs a relatively more expensive, right? On my judgement of the old Benin kingdom as terrorists because of their activity of subduing the natives of Lagos (the Aworis) in the mid-late 1600s; I apologize if the word "terrosrist" is too strong, but I will ask you to suggest, for me, a lighter word to describe a group of people who came upon another group of people, and subdued them, and killed many of them, and took over their property; and if your suggestion is honest and fair, I will abandon the word "terrorist" and go with your suggestion going forward in my discussions with you. My comment made it clear that the Binis came and toppled the system of the natives (the Aworis) and installed their own rulers (which was even imposed even on the natives). So where did I pretend like the stool of the Oba of Lagos does not have Benin origin [even though the patriarchal succession was interrupted by the 6th ruler (Ologun Kutere) who is son of a Yoruba man (Alaagba)]. I think you are assuming too much, or is it hallucination from your relatively more expensive drugs? What I have maintained is that they are not the owners. To know who the owners are, you look at who were the natives before the invasion. Why do you think the native language in Lagos today is still Yoruba and not Edo? Think about that deeply and honestly. The relationship between Ile-Ife and Benin is not similar to that of Benin and Lagos at all. In the case of the former, the Igodomigodos came to Ile-Ife for socio-political and spiritual guidance, and Oranmiyan was appointed to go take charge as he was a well versed priest, a war general, a charismatic leader, etc. it was as the case of a Somalia (of today) turning to an America (of today) for guidance and consultation (in fact, the well-known American Benin researcher Paula Ben-Amos, noted that Oranmiyan is said to have come from the Ile-Ife kingdom and introduced horses to Benin, when he rode one in). So it is not a case of a forceful conquest, as it would happen 5 centuries later between Benin and Lagos. In the case of the Ilorins, I think I would blame the Ilorin general who had aligned himself with the Fulanis in order to fight his own people so as to declare Ilorin independent from Oyo empire. Thank you for your time.
EDO Prince who was know as oduduwa rest in IFE and orumiyan the son of oduduwa.. they are origin of Benin blood.. oduduwa the son of OGISO OWODO the land of igodomigodo know today as great Benin kingdom..
I will take my time to enlighten all here as much as I can about the oral history from both ends. Binis and Yorubas can ask their elders for further guidance. Truth is, both the Ife and Benin palaces agree to the following: 1. Oranmiyan, son of Oduduwa left Ife to rule over Igodomigodo. 2. Oranmiyan met stiff resistance from the ogiamien and was further frustrated by other factors which included language barriers and spying. 3. Oranmiyan held a meeting with the palace chiefs and abdicated the throne, saying only one born in the land could rule them effectively. He however renamed Igodomigodo as Ile Ibinu (meaning "land of anger") and left. The word "Ibinu" was corrupted to "Ibini" by the aborigines who had poor understanding of Ife language. It was later further corrupted to Benin by the Portuguese. 4. Oranmiyan's son, who could not speak for some time got help from his father who sent him a game which upon emerging victorious in that game declared in Yoruba, "Owomika" (meaning my hand has reached it) after winning the game. That word was corrupted to "Eweka" by Binis who kept calling him by that name. He became the First Oba of Benin. Note: Every Oba of Benin must pronounce the word "Owomika" correctly in yoruba before ascending the throne. The above points are well agreed upon by both the Benin and Ife palaces. I will highlight the parts we disagree right here...
For your information Oba of benin Oba ewuare ll didn't pay homage to any deity in ile ife.. he went for a thank you visit tour for his post coronation.. plsssss you medians should get your information right... thank you..
He paid homage to several Benin Obas who were buried in Ife as was the custom of old when every Oba of Benin was buried in Ife, their ancestral home and cradle. I still wonder why that custom ended
+Kennedy Ijesurobo Brother! You don't need this. You saw it clearly in the video above. I recommend you watch it again. Get this clear! Yorubas are not Bonus. We are not trying to be you. Your people had their own culture and traditions before our prince came to rule in your place. He is the one we identify with as there is usually a seat reserved for him at Ife and even a final resting place. If it hurts you that this is true, then we have no apologies. Infact the name "Benin" is a corruption of the yoruba word "Ibinu" which was corrupted to "Ibini", later "Ubinu" and then "Benin" by the Portuguese. Oranmiyan renamed the land of Igodomigodo after his provocation which led to his abdication of the throne to found Oyo. Even your elders and palace chiefs do not dispute this. It is the origin of Oduduwa that is in dispute. I suggest you sit before your elders and learn or encourage the kings to openly consult the higher realms for answers. They are priests afterall
It should be stopped in malaysia too much of human slavery here among women in malaysia young girls with future are being used as money making machines here
The Ife and Benin palaces disagree on the following: 1. The origin of Oduduwa- Bini oral history, in disagreement with Egharevba's account and the Ife account states that Oduduwa was an exiled Igodomigodo prince Ekhaladerhan who moved into Ife and took up the new name Izoduwa, corrupted to Oduduwa by the Ife people. However, the meaning of the name Oduduwa in yoruba already starkly contrasts the Bini meaning of izoduwa. Oduduwa is a cryptic spiritual term coined from the words "Odu to da iwa" (the code dt birthed character). It cannot be the name of a mortal. It appears more like a title. The other reason for further contrasts emerges from the fact that Ekhaladerhan is not known in yoruba history. If Oduduwa had ever related such a tale to our ancestors, it would be our fact and no force wld ever dispute it. The Ekhaladerhan gist sprang too late. There is no fact to point that he even made it to Ife. Binis may have mistaken him for Oduduwa. If Oduduwa had told our ancestors of his life as a prince, it would have made a fantastic tale but even our divination system does not recognise it. I, as a yoruba am however keen to visit Benin some day to see the landmarks of Ekhaladerhan for myself to ascertain some truths. Sometimes, these things are shrouded in mystery to unite us further and test our resolve to seek truth. 2. Obas of Benin used to be buried in Orun Oba Ado in Ife: Chief David Edebiri (Esogban of Benin) heavily disputes this, even when the landmark is there in Ife. It offends him greatly. 3. Oba as a Benin word: Chief David Edebiri continually asserts that the word Oba is a Benin word and the Yoruba kings laying claim to the title simply adapted recently to it. Sadly, this assertion of his threw many yorubas off guard and into a fit of laughter. The word "Oba" had been used in Ife even before the days of Oduduwa. Infact, it was alien to Igodomigodo until after the arrival of Oranmiyan. The kings of Igodomigodo used to be called Ogisos. After the last Ogiso Owodo, no Bini monarch was ever called that. This historical fact simply motivates my personal opinion that the Chief erred on that assertion. Another historical point in yoruba establishes that every yoruba king was called an Oba, his chiefs were ijoye or oloye and lesser community leaders were referred to as Baale. Each family house was called an agbole and each head of every extended family was an olori ebi. The titles of the Obas helped to identify the territories they ruled over, however their titles always had and will always have the prefix Oba attached to it. e.g Oba Alake ti Ilu Egba, Oba Alaafin Ilu Oyo. Other times the knowledge of their Oba ship was subconsciously acknowledged because saying Oba would be confusing, we would want to know which of them. However, the Benin Oba needs no other title since he rules over a different people from the yorubas. Once we hear Oba Ilu Ibini, we know who is being talked about. His brothers are ruling over more familiar yorubas and have to add titles for easier description. 4. Lagos(Eko): The facts on Lagos were clear until politics set in and several stories began to emerge. The current one most established tells us that an Ife prince of the Olofin dynasty founded what is now called Lagos and set up a leadership system of white cap chiefs. After Old Oyo suffered from over expansion, successions and broke down into a shadow of its old self, the yoruba further were divided Nd a civil war broke out due to the effort of Ibadan to force other yoruba kingdoms into the old Oyo alliance. Many fled into what is now called Lagos which was already populated by the Awori( Olofin). The contact with Benin began when the Oba of Benin sent a trade expedition to Ghana which was attacked and badly treated by the Awori. The Oba of Benin responded by sending a millitary expedition, which was led by one of his princes Ado. On arriving at what is now called Lagos, he was immediately identified as Benin royalty and treated with honour. The white cap chiefs then asked him to become their leader since Benin kingdom was growing from strength to strength and yoruba land was marred by wars. Prince Ado agreed on condition that they pledge their allegiance to the Oba of Benin which they did. He got permission from the Oba of Benin to stay and rule and thus began a dynasty of Oba Elekos of Eko. The yoruba system remained intact with family houses still known as Agbole, cultures still preserved, and yoruba language as the language of the palace. This made Oba Ado's rule very easy. Parts of the taxes gathered were remitted to the Oba of Benin as Isakole. A millitary camp was set up on the Island to reflect the Oba of Benin's extension of authority and protect the aborigines. Truth of the matter is, the Awori saw the Binis as fellow yorubas and Ado's descendants took up yoruba names. The kingdom to our ancestors was like the only yoruba kingdom still at peace, and prosperity. So it is true when the Oba of Lagos says the blessings of the Oba of Benin are important to his ascension and rule. We the Lagos yorubas from every Agbole in Lagos know that our ancestors paid Isakole to the Oba of Benin. This doesn't make Lagos a no man's land as asserted by some igbos. we must disabuse their minds of these. Our oral history says we received a guest, a descendant of Oduduwa and made him a king in what is now called Lagos.
Hussein TIamiyu definitely will make a guest a king does not mean he have power over our land or heritage...Lagos is simply Yoruba land the olofins call the Awori today..been Oba of Lagos need to pay is respect to ile ife as a Origin.
This is 4 years ago but I'll make some corrections. Your timeline is pretty distorted concerning lagos. The Yoruba civil wars occurred in the 19th century the sane time as the British bombardment of lagos. Lagos was long a kingdom at this time. You're right that benin settled in eko aromire (lagos Island) and were allowed by the awori olofin people for the purpose of fighting a rebel benin trade colony in Ghana, this was in circa early 1600s and this was observed by Dutch explorer ulsheimer. It was years later that a dispute on the island led to an awori isheri chief ashipa aligning with oba of benin to take control over lagos. This alliance was political(oba of benin as patron of the new administration on eko with military protection and tributes of thanksgiving sent to benin) and marital as a princess of benin was given to ashipa and the son of the union Ado was raised in benin palace and sent with chiefs when he came of age to eko Island to become the first official eleko of eko. Although the olofins son the oloto of iddo lost control over the island, his brothers the idejo chiefs were the land owners and became part of the palace administration. Today most of idejo chiefs are independent and have full control of their lands like the oniru and elegushi
Don't teach me my history, i know the his of Ekaladeran, our exile prince who found peace in uhe, when his father died Ogiso Owodo, nobody could Ascend that throne except his son Ekaladeran that was exile, Benin chiefs and warriors looked for him, untill it was found out that he was in uhe, so they sent Chief Oliha to go and bring him home, i guess most of you already know the story, Before Eweka son of Ekaladeran came to rule the benin people, we have had many Ogiso so we aren't Yoruba neither where we called ileibinu or whatever we were called Igodomigodo.. and no Oba of benin was buried in yoruba land.. if you know the Obas buried in yoruba land tell me their names.. no single Oba of benin was buried in yoruba land..
Yess ...... My Mom is from the obas family. She told us the Story too. That Ekaladeran said as he was going on Exile, (Singing') " There will be No sun and Rain in Edo in this time. That the women will be Making their Hair okuku . Thats why Till today Edo Woman make this okuku hair
king James II that's not true, it's a very big lie.. escavation was done in that site, no single sign of human skull or particles found there the only that was found was some native chalk and old calabash.. plssss you people should stop peddling lies.. it doesn't kill if you say the truth...
Ken Bacgle No body is doubting the fact that the story was told by Benins only. All we are only saying is that the story is clearly fabricated and false
Kennedy Ijesurobo Oduduwa certainly did not come from Benin. I am aware you people believe a Benin man called Ekaladeran left Benin at some point, but still that alone does not make him Oduduwa (a lot of people left different places at different time, they all don't have to be Oduduwa). You people claim that the man's name later became changed to Izoduwa some say Imoduduwa (Your people couldn't even agree on the name he he changed to). All these affidavit or change of name certificate is simply to make your Ekeladerhan to be one and the same person as our Oduduwa Olofin Adimula. And our challenge to our Bini sons and daughters have always been that you should show us in any other tradition or historical findings (apart from your own) where it is mentioned that Oduduwa came from Benin. Your people have not been able to produce any for several years of this challenge. Jacob Egharevba who was Benin's most prominent historian doesn't say that rubbish of Oduduwa coming from Benin. It is simply a later fabrication (because of the ego problems Benin people have), and the fabrication is aimed at compensating for the fact that Benin's own tradition acknowledges that the first Oba of Benin was an Ile-Ife man. Consider the following logical deduction which shows that Oduduwa certainly did not come from Benin. (1) Oduduwa transformed Ile-Ife so greatly (in terms of "technological" know-how and advancement, socio-politics, spiritualism/religion etc.) when he came; to the extent that virtually everyone submitted to his leadership. What does this imply? It clearly implies that the civilization he came from (wherever in this world that is) is clearly way ahead of the one he met in Ile-Ife in virtually all ramifications. (2) The Binis consulted Ile-Ife, around the 12th century A.D, for socio-political and spiritual guidance. In fact, that was actually the task that took Oranmiyan to Igodomigodo land which he later named Ile-Ibinu or Benin. (3) The Binis became well versed in the skill and technique of metal-casting (which was considered to be the most advanced technological know-how a nation can have at the time). The oral traditions of the Bini people tells them that it was the experts of Ile-Ife who taught them those skills and techniques. ... (4) In conclusion: On the basis of these few premises [(1), (2), and (3)], one can certainly logically conclude, without mincing words, that Benin is definitely not that civilization that Oduduwa came from to Ile-Ife [because that civilization has to be ahead and greater than the one at Ile-Ife at the time of Oduduwa see (1); but history showed that the civilization at Ile-Ife was greater and far ahead of Benin's at the time].
the yorubas should tell me the meaning of oduduwa most specially mr T you will see it has no meaning in yoruba the meaning in edo is path (way) to success and izoduwa means I choose the path of success.
Efosa Agbonlahor I doubt if you speak Yoruba sef. of course Oduduwa has meaning in Yoruba. it's laughable that you think otherwise: Oduduwa (in Yoruba) = The principle that brings forth existence and morals. (Check this up with any Yoruba whom you're very sure understands the language deeply). It may interest you to know that Binis are not the only people within Nigeria (aside Yorubas themselves) that claims to have a meaning for the name Oduduwa. In fact, an Ethiopian language called Oromo (North East Africa) has a meaning for the name Oduduwa. I was discussing with an Ethiopian friend about some of this issues and I was stunned about the revelation he made. He noted that in his Oromo language there is a meaning for Oduduwa (same exact pronunciation) and that it means: "One who speaks" on behalf of others. I inquired about Oramiyan and he was so shocked that he asked me where I had learnt the word from. He said Oramiyan is a name of a region in Ethiopia. He added that it is the region he hail from. He said his language is Oromo and the region of the Oromo people is Oromiyan (which they spell using English letters as: Oromia or Oromiya). We had a lot of interesting discussion about who Oduduwa and Oromiyan is in my culture among others. So, if you care to know, that's the meaning of Oduduwa in Yoruba language. But for Izoduwa or Imoduduwa, we don't know what or who you are talking about, and we actually don't care to know. And lastly for the record, you guys should stop saying that it's only the Binis that uses names with "wa". I've heard that a lot and it's annoying because it's an ignorant claim. Olu-iwa is a contemporary of Oduduwa and a hero of the Ijebu people (a Yoruba sub-group). Omoluwabi is also another word among other ancient instances among the Yoruba people.
Good talk and long live the Oba of Benin
Long live the Benin monarch OBA GHA TOKPERE iSEE.
Our great Oba well said
Blessings to the Obas.
Live long kabiyesi ojaja the ll kabiyesi sir eku alejo
Long live the kings
oba of Benin is the powerful man in Nigeria , he got the words to stop every bad thing that’s going on in Nigeria. Benin rise again, is all about peace and enjoyments
Oba gha to kpere-Ise!
Nolan Chrome ise
Ugbo Who be a jackass!! First off he isn’t president so he ain’t ****!!! Secondly the Fulani herdsmen is running roughshod all through Nigerian and Benin so what can this tribal leader do for the greater Nigerian society???
Slim Pickens Fulani my yansh, how many years has Nigeria been here for? How long is the killing be going on ? If oba of Benin wasn’t powerful he won’t go and say listen stop all the killings frauds and human trafficking..? Tell me mumu how many presidents or whatever you gonna call it? What have they done? They Did not stop nothing. oba of Benin is not a president but he does more stuff for the country, Nigerian belong to benin. Nigeria no get sense of human, I’m proud to be benin edo empire
So how come the Europeans burned down the city and killed and looted and the then Oba had to run for his dear life to Calabar to avoid being hanged by the invading Europeans.
Thank God this video shows that this Oba of Benin visited the Orun Oba 'do shrine where all the heads of late Obas of Benin (from Oba Eweka I to Oba Adolo) were buried.
Truly the Yoruba are right when they said: "The head which was crowned should not sleep away from home"
Mr T, the oba of benin remains father to all, oba Ado was benin oba, ife was home and part of benin kingdom. Olugbo of ugboland and oba of lagos can't be both lying! Yet they re both Yoruba obas, the truth is bitter,Yoruba feeling pride cos their present days population but one will ask when was Yoruba when Benin founded eko (lagos) and also in-store oba there that rules for years b4 present day Nigeria.
Mr T, Well, thank u somuch for trying to be factual but ur facts re actully manipulated, barbaric and deceitful as such irrelevant in all manners related to the real true nature of our descendents n co-values of our culture and history, I'll only pardon u cos i truly understand that the fault is not urs but the ideals of those characters whom studied all their lives in England gaining nothing but ended up speaking english language with Yoruba accent. these re all their cock n bull stories, what i personally refers to as 'story book of history; lol!
Well let maintain our line of discussion, I took u up bcos of your saying n i quote, "I thank God that this video showed where Benin late old oba were buried in ife; but u faid to also understand that Benin late old oba were also buried in calabar, Are u now going to say that bcos of that, Benin ancestral home is also from Calabar??
You refers to the Benin obas that founded and ruled Lagos before Nigeria as terrorist" come on my brother Oba of benin is Royal majesty an emperor and NOT his royal highness that's for the ruling houses met for other brother children Prince and princess like oba of ife merely assume office through election why his father is still living, No true Africa kingdom pratice crown by election. king are born prince crown immediately the exits of thair father the king, and not elected into power 'if not it will be an office like the one ooni of ife is currently occupying.
Wake up, Great Benin ancestral history come across all over Nigeria n beyond linking it with Ogieso n u know what that means
donren 5050
Thanks for taking your time to read and reply my comments.
You noted that I was simply trying to be factual, but that I'm been manipulative, barbaric and deceitful; and that you'll pardon me.
Well, I think you shouldn't have pardoned me. I expected that you'll point out how and where I have lied (citing historical facts though, not personal view) at least for others to see. Moreover, I wasn't quoting any Yoruba who "studied all their lives in England"; what I did instead was to make reference to some of the most widely attested historical facts which anyone who have taken even the most basic of classes on pre-clononial Nigerian history knows.
Yes this video shows the shrine, and it is called "Orun Oba 'Do" (The heaven or resting place of Edo kings). I wonder why this Oba of Benin had this shrine on his list of places/sites to go to during his two-day visit.
You seem to suggest that some Obas of Benin were buried in Calabar, hence burying them in Ile-Ife doesn't really prove anything.
Let me give you the background step by step and show you where you are mistaken:
(1) Only one of the Obas had something (like death or burial) to do with Calabar (contrary to your suggestion of more than one Oba). The name of the Oba in question is Oba Ovonramwen Nogbaisi (who ruled from 1888 -1897).
(2) The British captured Benin City in 1897, they killed many, burnt and looted the city. The then Oba Ovanramwen Nogbaisi ran for dear life because he had learnt that the British had received orders to sentence him to death by hanging. He escaped into hiding for six months.
(3) He later returned to the city to formally surrender on 5 August 1897, and he offered huge wealth in exchange for his life. The British didn't need his wealth anymore at that time because they had already discovered where the wealth were hidden. He was however pardoned but was nonetheless dethroned and exiled into CALABAR with two of his wives, and he died there in exile.
(4) Regarding where he was buried, there is no absolute consensus, but many historians note that his corpse was returned to Benin and he was buried in the grounds of the royal palace; while some hold that he was buried there in Calabar.
(5) But let's assume that he was buried in Calabar, this instance is just a one-off case which was necessitated by an undesirable circumstance (i.e. exile). It is clearly not a case of the palace sending the corpse of the deceased Oba all the way from Benin to Calabar for burial. So I think you are just being desperate for bringing up this non-similar instance which you even cited wrongly.
(6) In the case of Ile-Ife, it is not even the whole corpse that the palace sends to Ile-Ife; it is the head only and it is not some involuntary practice necessitated by circumstance, it is simply tradition; and the Yorubas understand this because we have a saying which translates roughly as: "The Crowned Head Shall Not Sleep Away from Home".
Ponder over the meaning of Edo names like: "Uheluyi", "Uhemere", and Uhe-Óbióba" meaning "Uhe community has brought glory", "Uhe community has prospered me", and "Uhe community has produced the Oba" respectively; and recall that "Uhe" is used by the Edos of old to be in reference to Ile-Ife. Stop and think about that deeply and honestly.
(7) Regarding Lagos, I understand that the truth may be hurting, but I think it just have to be told at this point.
The descendants of Olofin Ogunfunminire (an Ile-Ife prince) who inhabited present Lagos sometimes before the 1500s later became known as the Aworis (the name "Awori" came from the circumstance surrounding their settlement. They are to settle wherever their sacrificial plate will sink in the lagoon. "Awori" means "The Plate Sank").
(8) The Binis truly came to Lagos [I must acknowledge that, in fact the name Eko (which till today is still the native name for Lagos) is a Bini word]. But the details around the Bini-Lagos story have it that the Binis came, they met the natives (i.e. Aworis), but subdued them because by that time Bini had already grown to what we can call a super power using today's terms, but each Yoruba nation saw itself as sovereign and politically independent from the other, with Oyo being a contending "super power" from amongst the independent Yoruba nations.
### The fact that the Binis met the Aworis can even be seen in the dates. The first military ruler of Lagos (appointed by the then Oba of Benin) ruled Lagos from the year 1682, whereas the Aworis have established settlements there before the 1500s.
(9) I understand that my use of the term "terrorist" may be quite strong, but dropping political correctness, that is what Benin was. But if you are still not comfortable with the term after my explanation, we may settle for a lighter term "land grabbers" and that is what all those super powers of old were, including our own Oyo empire considering its activities in Benin republic, Togo, and Ghana. They simply saw it as normal then.
(10) Using "his royal highness" or "his royal majesty" doesn't really prove anything, it is simply a matter of which English word one prefers to use. After all English is not even our language. It may interest you to know that the Ooni's palace uses, "his imperial majesty". I don't think it matters still. I may even give my self a similar English title without being king of even any house.
(11) The system of Oba in most Yoruba land (at least in Ile-Ife) is that each ruling house produce a prince, an the gods are consulted for the best of them, so if that is what you referred to as election, well such election makes perfect sense for us.
I am aware that in Edo land, the first son of the late Oba, automatically becomes the king; well that system is not free from fault and we have seen instances even in the history of the Edo people when the system was not practicable.
For example, the 4th Oba of Benin (Oba Ehenmihen) was not a son of the late 3rd Oba (Oba Uwakhuanhen). Also, the 6th Oba (Oba Oguola) was not the first son of the late 5th Oba (Oba Ewedo) even when the first son was still alive. So no human system is absolute and without its own defect, and the Edos couldn't even get their own (much prided system) right almost from the beginning.
Thanks for taking your time to read.
Mr T
Now I know that you are on cheap drugs or even codeine that is bound by the federal government because if you are not insane how could you regard the Bini kingship and rulership of Lagos as terrorism, I know people like you are pale and dismayed that you people can not subvert the truth about the Bini ownership of the stool of oba of Lagos despite the fact that you were trying to concoct it..... you of all people know that even a layman know your fallacy that is why with all anger you were trigger to call them terrorist.. upon knowing the relationship between the ife and Bini even the Awori people the Bini ment in Lagos are ife extraction meaning that the Binis and the Aworis have something in common
My question is
then what will you paedophile call the Fulanis emir kingship of ilorin all the way from sokoto to a Yoruba kwara state
Paul Kenny
If being on codeine means to be able to refute your lies, then I love such codeine diet; and you seem to imply that your own drugs a relatively more expensive, right?
On my judgement of the old Benin kingdom as terrorists because of their activity of subduing the natives of Lagos (the Aworis) in the mid-late 1600s; I apologize if the word "terrosrist" is too strong, but I will ask you to suggest, for me, a lighter word to describe a group of people who came upon another group of people, and subdued them, and killed many of them, and took over their property; and if your suggestion is honest and fair, I will abandon the word "terrorist" and go with your suggestion going forward in my discussions with you.
My comment made it clear that the Binis came and toppled the system of the natives (the Aworis) and installed their own rulers (which was even imposed even on the natives). So where did I pretend like the stool of the Oba of Lagos does not have Benin origin [even though the patriarchal succession was interrupted by the 6th ruler (Ologun Kutere) who is son of a Yoruba man (Alaagba)]. I think you are assuming too much, or is it hallucination from your relatively more expensive drugs? What I have maintained is that they are not the owners. To know who the owners are, you look at who were the natives before the invasion. Why do you think the native language in Lagos today is still Yoruba and not Edo? Think about that deeply and honestly.
The relationship between Ile-Ife and Benin is not similar to that of Benin and Lagos at all. In the case of the former, the Igodomigodos came to Ile-Ife for socio-political and spiritual guidance, and Oranmiyan was appointed to go take charge as he was a well versed priest, a war general, a charismatic leader, etc. it was as the case of a Somalia (of today) turning to an America (of today) for guidance and consultation (in fact, the well-known American Benin researcher Paula Ben-Amos, noted that Oranmiyan is said to have come from the Ile-Ife kingdom and introduced horses to Benin, when he rode one in). So it is not a case of a forceful conquest, as it would happen 5 centuries later between Benin and Lagos.
In the case of the Ilorins, I think I would blame the Ilorin general who had aligned himself with the Fulanis in order to fight his own people so as to declare Ilorin independent from Oyo empire.
Thank you for your time.
OBA GHA TOKPERE ISE !!!!!!!
Ase! May his reign be fruitful!!
long live the oba.
Long live oba of benin kingdom
EDO Prince who was know as oduduwa rest in IFE and orumiyan the son of oduduwa.. they are origin of Benin blood.. oduduwa the son of OGISO OWODO the land of igodomigodo know today as great Benin kingdom..
Keep your lies amongst you and your Benin people.
Great Oonirisa
I will take my time to enlighten all here as much as I can about the oral history from both ends. Binis and Yorubas can ask their elders for further guidance. Truth is, both the Ife and Benin palaces agree to the following: 1. Oranmiyan, son of Oduduwa left Ife to rule over Igodomigodo. 2. Oranmiyan met stiff resistance from the ogiamien and was further frustrated by other factors which included language barriers and spying. 3. Oranmiyan held a meeting with the palace chiefs and abdicated the throne, saying only one born in the land could rule them effectively. He however renamed Igodomigodo as Ile Ibinu (meaning "land of anger") and left. The word "Ibinu" was corrupted to "Ibini" by the aborigines who had poor understanding of Ife language. It was later further corrupted to Benin by the Portuguese. 4. Oranmiyan's son, who could not speak for some time got help from his father who sent him a game which upon emerging victorious in that game declared in Yoruba, "Owomika" (meaning my hand has reached it) after winning the game. That word was corrupted to "Eweka" by Binis who kept calling him by that name. He became the First Oba of Benin. Note: Every Oba of Benin must pronounce the word "Owomika" correctly in yoruba before ascending the throne. The above points are well agreed upon by both the Benin and Ife palaces. I will highlight the parts we disagree right here...
For your information Oba of benin Oba ewuare ll didn't pay homage to any deity in ile ife.. he went for a thank you visit tour for his post coronation.. plsssss you medians should get your information right... thank you..
He paid homage to several Benin Obas who were buried in Ife as was the custom of old when every Oba of Benin was buried in Ife, their ancestral home and cradle. I still wonder why that custom ended
when an Oba pays homage to his ancestors, he does so to their Spirits for guidance and support.
The video showed it now. Did you close your eyes when it got to that part.
Yorubas!.. for your information no benin Obas was buried in ile ife.. stop peddling lies..
+Kennedy Ijesurobo
Brother! You don't need this. You saw it clearly in the video above. I recommend you watch it again. Get this clear! Yorubas are not Bonus. We are not trying to be you. Your people had their own culture and traditions before our prince came to rule in your place. He is the one we identify with as there is usually a seat reserved for him at Ife and even a final resting place. If it hurts you that this is true, then we have no apologies. Infact the name "Benin" is a corruption of the yoruba word "Ibinu" which was corrupted to "Ibini", later "Ubinu" and then "Benin" by the Portuguese. Oranmiyan renamed the land of Igodomigodo after his provocation which led to his abdication of the throne to found Oyo. Even your elders and palace chiefs do not dispute this. It is the origin of Oduduwa that is in dispute. I suggest you sit before your elders and learn or encourage the kings to openly consult the higher realms for answers. They are priests afterall
It should be stopped in malaysia too much of human slavery here among women in malaysia young girls with future are being used as money making machines here
About time the royals get off their ass and say something!!
The Ife and Benin palaces disagree on the following: 1. The origin of Oduduwa- Bini oral history, in disagreement with Egharevba's account and the Ife account states that Oduduwa was an exiled Igodomigodo prince Ekhaladerhan who moved into Ife and took up the new name Izoduwa, corrupted to Oduduwa by the Ife people. However, the meaning of the name Oduduwa in yoruba already starkly contrasts the Bini meaning of izoduwa. Oduduwa is a cryptic spiritual term coined from the words "Odu to da iwa" (the code dt birthed character). It cannot be the name of a mortal. It appears more like a title. The other reason for further contrasts emerges from the fact that Ekhaladerhan is not known in yoruba history. If Oduduwa had ever related such a tale to our ancestors, it would be our fact and no force wld ever dispute it. The Ekhaladerhan gist sprang too late. There is no fact to point that he even made it to Ife. Binis may have mistaken him for Oduduwa. If Oduduwa had told our ancestors of his life as a prince, it would have made a fantastic tale but even our divination system does not recognise it. I, as a yoruba am however keen to visit Benin some day to see the landmarks of Ekhaladerhan for myself to ascertain some truths. Sometimes, these things are shrouded in mystery to unite us further and test our resolve to seek truth.
2. Obas of Benin used to be buried in Orun Oba Ado in Ife: Chief David Edebiri (Esogban of Benin) heavily disputes this, even when the landmark is there in Ife. It offends him greatly.
3. Oba as a Benin word: Chief David Edebiri continually asserts that the word Oba is a Benin word and the Yoruba kings laying claim to the title simply adapted recently to it. Sadly, this assertion of his threw many yorubas off guard and into a fit of laughter. The word "Oba" had been used in Ife even before the days of Oduduwa. Infact, it was alien to Igodomigodo until after the arrival of Oranmiyan. The kings of Igodomigodo used to be called Ogisos. After the last Ogiso Owodo, no Bini monarch was ever called that. This historical fact simply motivates my personal opinion that the Chief erred on that assertion. Another historical point in yoruba establishes that every yoruba king was called an Oba, his chiefs were ijoye or oloye and lesser community leaders were referred to as Baale. Each family house was called an agbole and each head of every extended family was an olori ebi. The titles of the Obas helped to identify the territories they ruled over, however their titles always had and will always have the prefix Oba attached to it. e.g Oba Alake ti Ilu Egba, Oba Alaafin Ilu Oyo. Other times the knowledge of their Oba ship was subconsciously acknowledged because saying Oba would be confusing, we would want to know which of them. However, the Benin Oba needs no other title since he rules over a different people from the yorubas. Once we hear Oba Ilu Ibini, we know who is being talked about. His brothers are ruling over more familiar yorubas and have to add titles for easier description.
4. Lagos(Eko): The facts on Lagos were clear until politics set in and several stories began to emerge. The current one most established tells us that an Ife prince of the Olofin dynasty founded what is now called Lagos and set up a leadership system of white cap chiefs. After Old Oyo suffered from over expansion, successions and broke down into a shadow of its old self, the yoruba further were divided Nd a civil war broke out due to the effort of Ibadan to force other yoruba kingdoms into the old Oyo alliance. Many fled into what is now called Lagos which was already populated by the Awori( Olofin).
The contact with Benin began when the Oba of Benin sent a trade expedition to Ghana which was attacked and badly treated by the Awori. The Oba of Benin responded by sending a millitary expedition, which was led by one of his princes Ado. On arriving at what is now called Lagos, he was immediately identified as Benin royalty and treated with honour. The white cap chiefs then asked him to become their leader since Benin kingdom was growing from strength to strength and yoruba land was marred by wars. Prince Ado agreed on condition that they pledge their allegiance to the Oba of Benin which they did. He got permission from the Oba of Benin to stay and rule and thus began a dynasty of Oba Elekos of Eko. The yoruba system remained intact with family houses still known as Agbole, cultures still preserved, and yoruba language as the language of the palace. This made Oba Ado's rule very easy. Parts of the taxes gathered were remitted to the Oba of Benin as Isakole. A millitary camp was set up on the Island to reflect the Oba of Benin's extension of authority and protect the aborigines. Truth of the matter is, the Awori saw the Binis as fellow yorubas and Ado's descendants took up yoruba names. The kingdom to our ancestors was like the only yoruba kingdom still at peace, and prosperity. So it is true when the Oba of Lagos says the blessings of the Oba of Benin are important to his ascension and rule. We the Lagos yorubas from every Agbole in Lagos know that our ancestors paid Isakole to the Oba of Benin. This doesn't make Lagos a no man's land as asserted by some igbos. we must disabuse their minds of these. Our oral history says we received a guest, a descendant of Oduduwa and made him a king in what is now called Lagos.
Hussein TIamiyu
Welldone Hussein, this is a great piece
Hussein TIamiyu definitely will make a guest a king does not mean he have power over our land or heritage...Lagos is simply Yoruba land the olofins call the Awori today..been Oba of Lagos need to pay is respect to ile ife as a Origin.
This is 4 years ago but I'll make some corrections.
Your timeline is pretty distorted concerning lagos. The Yoruba civil wars occurred in the 19th century the sane time as the British bombardment of lagos. Lagos was long a kingdom at this time.
You're right that benin settled in eko aromire (lagos Island) and were allowed by the awori olofin people for the purpose of fighting a rebel benin trade colony in Ghana, this was in circa early 1600s and this was observed by Dutch explorer ulsheimer. It was years later that a dispute on the island led to an awori isheri chief ashipa aligning with oba of benin to take control over lagos. This alliance was political(oba of benin as patron of the new administration on eko with military protection and tributes of thanksgiving sent to benin) and marital as a princess of benin was given to ashipa and the son of the union Ado was raised in benin palace and sent with chiefs when he came of age to eko Island to become the first official eleko of eko. Although the olofins son the oloto of iddo lost control over the island, his brothers the idejo chiefs were the land owners and became part of the palace administration. Today most of idejo chiefs are independent and have full control of their lands like the oniru and elegushi
Don't teach me my history, i know the his of Ekaladeran, our exile prince who found peace in uhe, when his father died Ogiso Owodo, nobody could Ascend that throne except his son Ekaladeran that was exile, Benin chiefs and warriors looked for him, untill it was found out that he was in uhe, so they sent Chief Oliha to go and bring him home, i guess most of you already know the story, Before Eweka son of Ekaladeran came to rule the benin people, we have had many Ogiso so we aren't Yoruba neither where we called ileibinu or whatever we were called Igodomigodo.. and no Oba of benin was buried in yoruba land.. if you know the Obas buried in yoruba land tell me their names.. no single Oba of benin was buried in yoruba land..
Yess ...... My Mom is from the obas family. She told us the Story too. That Ekaladeran said as he was going on Exile, (Singing') " There will be
No sun and Rain in Edo in this time. That the women will be Making their Hair okuku . Thats why Till today Edo Woman make this okuku hair
Kennedy Ijesurobo the heads of all Benin Obas until Oba Adolo is buried in the shrine called orun oba Ado. Also oramiyan is buried in ife.
king James II that's not true, it's a very big lie.. escavation was done in that site, no single sign of human skull or particles found there the only that was found was some native chalk and old calabash.. plssss you people should stop peddling lies.. it doesn't kill if you say the truth...
Ken Bacgle
No body is doubting the fact that the story was told by Benins only. All we are only saying is that the story is clearly fabricated and false
Kennedy Ijesurobo
Oduduwa certainly did not come from Benin. I am aware you people believe a Benin man called Ekaladeran left Benin at some point, but still that alone does not make him Oduduwa (a lot of people left different places at different time, they all don't have to be Oduduwa).
You people claim that the man's name later became changed to Izoduwa some say Imoduduwa (Your people couldn't even agree on the name he he changed to). All these affidavit or change of name certificate is simply to make your Ekeladerhan to be one and the same person as our Oduduwa Olofin Adimula.
And our challenge to our Bini sons and daughters have always been that you should show us in any other tradition or historical findings (apart from your own) where it is mentioned that Oduduwa came from Benin. Your people have not been able to produce any for several years of this challenge.
Jacob Egharevba who was Benin's most prominent historian doesn't say that rubbish of Oduduwa coming from Benin. It is simply a later fabrication (because of the ego problems Benin people have), and the fabrication is aimed at compensating for the fact that Benin's own tradition acknowledges that the first Oba of Benin was an Ile-Ife man.
Consider the following logical deduction which shows that Oduduwa certainly did not come from Benin.
(1) Oduduwa transformed Ile-Ife so greatly (in terms of "technological" know-how and advancement, socio-politics, spiritualism/religion etc.) when he came; to the extent that virtually everyone submitted to his leadership. What does this imply? It clearly implies that the civilization he came from (wherever in this world that is) is clearly way ahead of the one he met in Ile-Ife in virtually all ramifications.
(2) The Binis consulted Ile-Ife, around the 12th century A.D, for socio-political and spiritual guidance. In fact, that was actually the task that took Oranmiyan to Igodomigodo land which he later named Ile-Ibinu or Benin.
(3) The Binis became well versed in the skill and technique of metal-casting (which was considered to be the most advanced technological know-how a nation can have at the time). The oral traditions of the Bini people tells them that it was the experts of Ile-Ife who taught them those skills and techniques.
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(4) In conclusion:
On the basis of these few premises [(1), (2), and (3)], one can certainly logically conclude, without mincing words, that Benin is definitely not that civilization that Oduduwa came from to Ile-Ife [because that civilization has to be ahead and greater than the one at Ile-Ife at the time of Oduduwa see (1); but history showed that the civilization at Ile-Ife was greater and far ahead of Benin's at the time].
the yorubas should tell me the meaning of oduduwa most specially mr T you will see it has no meaning in yoruba the meaning in edo is path (way) to success and izoduwa means I choose the path of success.
Efosa Agbonlahor
I doubt if you speak Yoruba sef.
of course Oduduwa has meaning in Yoruba. it's laughable that you think otherwise:
Oduduwa (in Yoruba) = The principle that brings forth existence and morals. (Check this up with any Yoruba whom you're very sure understands the language deeply).
It may interest you to know that Binis are not the only people within Nigeria (aside Yorubas themselves) that claims to have a meaning for the name Oduduwa.
In fact, an Ethiopian language called Oromo (North East Africa) has a meaning for the name Oduduwa. I was discussing with an Ethiopian friend about some of this issues and I was stunned about the revelation he made.
He noted that in his Oromo language there is a meaning for Oduduwa (same exact pronunciation) and that it means: "One who speaks" on behalf of others.
I inquired about Oramiyan and he was so shocked that he asked me where I had learnt the word from. He said Oramiyan is a name of a region in Ethiopia. He added that it is the region he hail from. He said his language is Oromo and the region of the Oromo people is Oromiyan (which they spell using English letters as: Oromia or Oromiya).
We had a lot of interesting discussion about who Oduduwa and Oromiyan is in my culture among others.
So, if you care to know, that's the meaning of Oduduwa in Yoruba language. But for Izoduwa or Imoduduwa, we don't know what or who you are talking about, and we actually don't care to know.
And lastly for the record, you guys should stop saying that it's only the Binis that uses names with "wa". I've heard that a lot and it's annoying because it's an ignorant claim.
Olu-iwa is a contemporary of Oduduwa and a hero of the Ijebu people (a Yoruba sub-group). Omoluwabi is also another word among other ancient instances among the Yoruba people.