FLL Animal Allies 2016/17 - 435 points || WORLD RECORD!!! || World Festival, St. Louis
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- This was the first time we got 435 points at the World Festival in St. Louis. We also reached our highscore in the semi finals of the robot games against the SAP Rockets.
Our strategy is based on international robot game rules, which are different from the central european rules. It's allowed to exchanged all animals at once, if the model wasn`t turned before. The gecko and the robot on the wall don`t count if the feed for the frogs touches still the robot. And the shark can also be placed on the bottom of it`s tank.
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The animal transfer thing just left my mouth wide open - you guys are the true meaning of what something as little as a child's building blocks can accomplish.
Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow to an infinite number! Your robot is completely out-of-this-world phenomenal. Absolutely everything you planned to complete the animal conservation is beyond amazing! The way you collected the animals, the way you took the bat off the mission model, the way you built a system to hold 4 animals and place it back into the mission model, the use of the string......wow......it's amazing to see incredible creative brainpower in action! Hats off to you! FLL Team Masterminds from Los Angeles says thank you for posting this and inspiring us!
That is, quite literally, the best run I have seen this season!
Gosh that's amazing!!! I was part of one of the other world teams, and watching your semifinals performance live was such an honor!! I still can't get over the ingenuity of the conservation mission!! Congratulations to all of you guys!!
Wow AMAZING!!!! We never thought a team would be able to do all the animal conservation. Yet you guys did it! KUDOS
435 pts and 11 seconds to spare. Amazing. I watched to video at 1/2-speed and still didn't catch all the action that is going on.
Wow, that was truly impressive. Undoubtedly the best lego robot in the world! Congratulations!
ref was impressed
That was pretty amazing to watch, especially as we get into the 2017 season. Great job, gang! Very impressive.
Fantastic! Congratulation! Simply, you are the BEST!
435 POINTS?!?! WOW! THAT IS INCREDIBLE!!! NICE JOB GUYS!
Every time I look at this video, I am truly mesmerized. Great work brickSAPplied !!!!
Omfg!!! This is crazy. You are still able to do all of this under 2:20. I am seriously impressed. You deserve my sub. 435, CRAZY. I have no idea what to write to show how I feel. I dunno mate. Also really cool how you made that virtual robot build at the beginning.
y u write essay
do you have a problem, they all cheated so bad
Jeffrey Zhou why did they cheat?
When I thought our robot was good
We went to Saint Louis for the world festival even though we didn't qualify and went in your booth and watched tour robot run! Hope to see you in Huston tx!!!!!!
Congratulations on winning your regional tournament today! We cannot wait to see your 390 point run! :D We won our regional tournament and are heading to our state championship next weekend! We will post a video of our 445 point run at the tournament :-)
The Ruling Robot Falcons Thank you and congratulations too. You'll maybe have to wait a while for a
video from our robot
Awesome x 100!! Congratulations!!! :-) See you next season!! From Team RED
HEEdu - plz post a video of your run! I have mad respect for you 2! 379 is competition! That is max score minus conservation!
Thank you so much ! I'll upload soon!
I was there and you guys were right across from us. I remember watching live.
really impressive robot and programming! We were frustrated at our local qualifier because we were not allowed to remove any pieces from the table (only our own attachments)...got very crowded in home base - and difficult to deal with!.... I knew that didn't sound right, but the head referee insisted she was correct..... still - ours was no where NEAR your awesome robot!!
What's your opinion on our new t shirts? Would you prefer the black-orange one(374 points video) or our new black-red???
brickSAPplied black-red
brickSAPplied - red black
brickSAPplied I like Black-red!
The robot-game rules in CE are the same as the international rules, there are just sometimes differences in the Challenge Updates. The CE Challenge Updates can be found here:www.first-lego-league.org/en/faq/fragen.html
At the OEC, usually the international rules are used.
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Very well built robot btw! Very compact, yet still has motor outputs 2 on top and 2 under!
We transmit the large and the medium motors to the bottom, so we have 4 motor outputs under :-)
Totally, Totally Awesome....!!!! From Team Animal EncycloPDia in Shanghai, China and the Shanghai FLL Association
I'm still really really impressed! How do you do this!?
What do you use as your non-driving wheels? Do you use gyro sensor for turning and/or driving in a straight line?
jms.master.builders 3132 We use two small wheels without rubber (lego piece 13971). We use the gyro sensor for driving, straight, arcs and turns and as an ending condition for the linefollower
Between 1:08 and 1:12 your robot makes an incredibly smooth right turn.
Did you use something like ?
Or ?
I'm trying to find a way to get rid of the jerkiness between move blocks...
We don't use the given move-blocks of the Ev3-Software. They will always have this jerkiness. We wrote our own move blocks, to navigate more precise and make turns or arcs, that you just saw. If you are still trying, think about acceleration and deceleration and check out the blue unregulated motor blocks.
Thanks!
+BrickSAPplied, How do you measure an accurate distance with the unregulated motor? the only way I have found is to use a wait block after the unregulated motor, and that only works for seconds which are not easy to use.
If you have found a way to input degrees for the unregulated motor I would be so grateful if you could tell me how you did it.
Congratulations, very good robot and especially great idea on Animal Conservation. Thanks for posting! How many light sensors do you use? I just saw two of them in front of the wheels, but I think (just guessing) you need another one on the opposite side of the wheels for line following in Milk Automation, am I correct?
Thank you! We only used two light sensors. We followed the line with the right sensor and at the right site of the line...
Just right, sorry, I misread your video, now I see that you do line following with front sensors. Thanks for prompt reply.
so many goosebumps right now, this robot is just too good for me to handle
Amazing bro.... you are the best
Also, how do you bring all that stuff to the table? We have like 2 large boxes, a small table, and still 2 big attachments the don't fit in any boxes.
We builded a large(ca. 1,6mx0,8m) box from cardboards, duck tape and two planks with a low border and put it on a table
We have so much stuff, we are going to have two engineers, then 2 "subs" that help hold our stuff, but never actually sub in.
Hallo Jungs ! Wir haben euch ja schon vor Ort für euren Weltrekord gratuliert !
Kurze Frage zu eurem Film: mit welchem Programm habt ihr den Aufbau des Roboters simuliert ?
Würde mich über eure Antwort freuen... Beste Grüsse aus Frankreich !
Wir haben zuerst den Roboter im Lego Digital Designer nachgebaut und dann mit Bluerender nacheinander Bilder mit immer weniger Teilen gerendert und später dann einfach zu einem Video zusammengefügt (In dem Fall dann mit Hitfilm 4 Express)
Besten Dank für die schnelle Antwort ! Schöne Ferien an alle !!!
Dauert hier bei uns leider noch ein bisschen :D
Hi brickSAPplied, Quick question: have you found that different battery levels on your robot will change its performance?
Yes, of course. The main difference is the speed of the robot, but apart from that the robot still drives straight and the angles are still the same. In these cases the program is very important...
+brickSAPplied, Thanks! One more question: Over your season did you ever have to replace motors or sensors? Our teams motors have started grinding and were not sure if they are still functioning properly.
We actually had some problems with the wires. One motor just stopped working normal during the competition... But this shouldn't be a problem normally. What we did, to prove the motors is, that we checked if they turn nearly the same in some seconds (therefor you have to use the unregulated motor blocks). It's also important to check them at negativ speeds. During the season the motors changed a bit, but we didn't replaced them or a sensor.
One thing to note is that you can use unregulated motor blocks (advanced tab) so that your robot will move the same speed no matter what the battery power is. Standard motors have a failsafe that lowers the speeds on the motors, depending on the battery level, to save power.
Mason Spies I don't think this is correct. Aren't the standard blocks "real" speeds, so the robot drives for example always with 50 degrees per second at speed 50? I think the unregulated motor blocks only set the power of for example 50% and depending on the battery level this is faster or slower. That's actually what we recognize. With lower battery the robot needs more time and drives slower and we only use the dark blue unregulated motor blocks. Am I right?
sehr gute arbeit bis auf des milch auf ide rampe max punkte.
How did the attachment connections work? Could u post some pics.
And how precise is the robot?
Hi! :D I'm working on the Robot Game for Hydrodynamics, and I wanted to know how you were able to add extensions without moving motors at all. And also, do you have any general tips for the design?
We transmit the power of the motors with gears to the extensions. Build your attachments and also the robot stable and reliable. Don't make to much at once and make it easy and not too complex (we aren't a good example for that :D). Also look at the navigation and just make few moves and it's good to build very compact
What do you use to have precise turns? Do you use the simple gyro blocks? Because we had some problems with our turns cause the gyro sensor is not that reliable and its not always accurate... or does it depend on what type of wheels are used for the robot?
We use a own block with acceleration and deceleration to turn until gyro degree. If it still wasn't precise, the next block can still correct the fault. For turns with gyro sensor the wheel size isn't so important, but slow speed is more precise and a deceleration helps to get the exact angle
Is it possible to send me the program if i give you my e-mail adress or is the program something like a team secret so you can’t...?
Sorry, we don't share our program. We can exchange ideas or give inspirations, but our solutions are secrets and we think that you can learn more without them ;-)
Also, for your over the ramp mission, do you still use default motor blocks to move it? If so, do you still just make one motor faster than the other? If so, do you have to adjust the curve amount everyday?
Mindstorms Man - SWARM We actually never used default blocks. In our semi final and at the CE Final we used an own move block, which was similar to the default block and had some additional features like a smooth acceleration at the beginning, deceleration at the and,... After you asked in the comments of our other video we came up with the idea to use the Gyro sensor, to stay at the wall. Thats what we did. We used a second own move block, which lets the robot drive straight, using proportional correction to an angle(Gyro degree). To stay at the wall we didn't drove straight at the wall, but some degrees against the wall. Like this the robot didn't get away from the wall and also didn't get to much to the wall... In the end this one motor turns faster then the other, but it depends on the angle how much
Thanks! We right now are using default motor blocks, but we made our own acceleration block to add before the default motor block, so that the gears would not skip.
Thanks! We just tried again, and it seems to be working well this time!
👍
For your acceleration, is it second or rotation based?
This is amazing, awesome attachments. Speechless..... can you please give some tips on how to build attachments. Thanks in advance.
A very important thing is a high fault tolerance. Try to make the attachements as reliable as possible. You can add for example sometimes pieces to align at mission modules. Another tip we can give you is maybe: Don't solve to many missions at once and make the attachement simple and stable. Hope we could help a bit. Attachements are all different and it depends on the robot, the strategie and the programming, how they can be build and how they can solve their missions reliable
From a fellow Lego Team #18698 on your CPU did you guys only use two motors?~Everlasting EV3
No, we used four motors. Two medium motors for the attachments and two large motors
Just curious, how many different team do you send to run the robot? Like, how many different pairs of people?
Do you have the problem, of pushy parents, but team members that cannot run under 2:30 but the parents push the kid to run?
At the World Festival we had 4 people for the base. Because at their position they did the same we had at the end 4 pairs for the base.
At the CE Final we had 6 of us for the base
We don't have pushy parents. We are at the table and they cheer for us, but they actually didn't know, if it will fit into the time and even if all went wrong they didn't pushed anyone...
We thought the official rule updates said that the shark has to be placed inside the tank. Did they change the rule in world festival?
At the World Festival it was allowed, but this can be different between regions and competitions
we challenge you next year but you will win
Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey brickSAPplied nice robot :D
How many points you can get this year? Will you build a completely new robot after the first tournament again?
Thank you! We already built a new robot, but some attachements aren't finished yet. Hopefully you'll see our new high scoe after the semi-final (24.02.). At the regional we reached 390/465
They highscore is 535 or? 😅
Maybe you'll get all points at the semi final?
Yes, but our robot could have reached 465 points...
You'll see ;-P
Hi brickSAPplied,
wie habt ihr es geschafft, die Räder vom Untersatz(1:34), der über die grüne Rampe fährt, mit den Motoren vom Grundroboter zu betreiben?
Die Motoren haben alle auch Zahnräder nach unten. Die werden dann einfach direkt auf den Untersatz übertragen. Das Gewicht vom Roboter reicht schon um die Kraft richtig übertragen zu können und die Zahnräder drehen nicht durch
brickSAPplied
cool, danke für eure antwort. welche zahnräder benutz ihr?
Ji W Für die kleinen Motoren nehmen wir die Zahnräder, mit ziemlich vielen Zähnen, die es im schwarz und hellbraun gibt. Davon dann die kleinsten und die nächst größeren. Für die großen benutzen wir die andere Sorte, die es in grau, hellgrau und noch in weiß als Durchdrehzahnrad gibt. Die mittleren sind im Roboter und die ganz großen im Untersatz
you guys are awsome i was there to see you guys (we were the cows) and i'm soooooo jealous of ur robot. Can you give me some tips
Just perfect
Was macht ihr damit die Zahnradübersetzungen zwischen Roboter und Aufsatz flüssig laufen und ihr gleichzeitig keine Probleme habt beim abnehmen des Aufsatz?
Julius Müller Wir haben im Roboter Löcher, sodass die Zahnräder im Aufsatz quasi doppelseitig aufgehängt sind. Die Achse geht dann einfach teilweise noch in den Roboter. So können die Zahnräder fast nicht durchdrehen und mit den vielen Zähnen kriegt man die Aufsätze immer noch leicht drauf und wieder runter...
Danke für die schnelle Antwort. Viele Erfolg euch noch beim CE dieses Jahr.
Kein Problem, danke!
What software did you use to generate the robot build video in the beginning?
Magellan Wharf Rats Magellan We actually used the Lego Digital Designer and Bluerender. We had to rendern every single frame. The computers had fun for a while
Since you rely on the gyro sensor during most of your run, how do you make sure its readings are accurate? Sometimes gyros can be very inconsistent.
CheeseCube The problem with the gyro sensor is, that it has sometimes a drift and counts up very quikly. Before the run we check if the gyro sensor counted up during 10 seconds. If yes, we can reset the gyro sensor by plugging the port out and in. When you plug in, it's important, that the robot don't moves. Otherwise you will get still a drift. This can also happen when you start the robot and move it while it's starting...
brickSAPplied Okay, thanks for the help!
Just brilliant!
Hello guys maybe u can send ldd file of this robot?
How many times per week did you guys meet up to achieve this?
Marley Telles once per week,every monday during school; during holiday every day; but of course we can miss a meeting as well
Thanks! I love your robot!
Do you use knob gears on your basebot?
OMG WHAT THE HECK U GUYS R AWESOME!!!!
Hi Guys! You have always been an inspiration to us in the FLL Animal Allies season. I was just going through the comments section and I got to know about your gyro program. Could you guys please share that program with me? Please mail that program to me
Sorry, but we don't share our program or other solutions directly
brickSAPplied I just wanted to expand my knowledge about various GYRO programs. If you could just help me out cuz I am not gonna participate in any FLL competition from now and would not be able to research more on GYRO programs
So what's your mail adress? We won't send you the program, but we can explain it a bit...
Wow
how did u do the thing of the string on minute 1:54
When the model turned enough the string just falls down and we turn the model with the string and a motor and with the robot, that drives backwards
Congrats!!!!
is it legal to do the shark mission like this ?
KING James Yes, at international competitions it's legal. At the CE Final and our competitions before this wasn't allowed...
thank you
brickSAPplied congrats great work i love the way you turn the animal conservation
How can you switch modules without reconnecting wires?
What do you mean? The wires are all connected to the motors and sensors in the robot. The attachments or modules don't need a motor or sensor with a wire
How do you make your wall mission attachment stay on? You still manage to put it on very quickly
We use pneumatics. The pressure seems to be enough
I think they meant the attachment going onto the robot, I can make a short video if you want and send it if I could get an email.
??? How do you use pneumatics to secure the attachment? To bricksapplied
Mindstorms Man - SWARM Oh sorry, we thought you meant how the robot stays on the wall. To put the Attachment onto the robot we have four small holes in the case of the robot. Two at the front and two at the back. The attachment just fit in these holes and to put it on, we have to stretch it a bit...
brickSAPplied - Thanks! I should probably say biomimicry or wall hang, but anyway, I a but confused. How do the four holes keep the attachment from falling off? So the 4 beams go into the 4 holes in the robot, then is there a locking mechanism? How does the locking mechanism work?
Wow :)
Explanation video??
YT algorithm is pushing👀
Just curious, what team won champions award at worlds? Are they on utube?
Ctrl+Z Bayview Glen from Canada won the champions Award, but I don't think, that they are on CZcams
brickSAPplied - oh! Control-Z! I have seen their video. 307 points I think, but that was a while ago. Congratulations to them!
fantastic....
how does the shooter work?
It's a mechanism using rubber bands. We have to pull the rubber bands and load the shooter with a manure and the robot releases it with a motor
NICE
Its awesome..
food is touching the lines, there is a rules that states u can't do the animals mission like that. Just saying
Jie Yang Oh The rules aren't the same everywhere. Our strategy wasn't allowed in central europe for example, but at the World Festival it was legal...
oh ok for my fll foods can touch the lines and the shark have to be in the tank T.T such a struggle
How can 13 years olds design such complicated stuff in just few months? I dont believe it was all done by kids
WOW!!!!!!
nice nice nice
Nice but you did cheat on animal conservation. You can only switch one animal at a time as the rules said Before the Match starts, hand-place your
choice of one animal in your tray of the
Animal Conservation Mission Model.
The rules just say AFTER turning the model once you only can exchange one animal at the same time. We wrote a mail to the headreferee of the World Festival, who confirmed our strategy... In Central-Europe it was forbidden in a FAQ, for us and many other teams this was just possible on an international competition.
Jeffrey Zhou Do we violate the rules, when the head referee of the World Festival says, that it is allowed and all of the teams can do it like this?
This makes me upset
I think your record has been beaten
Do you know the Team and the competition?
Jatin Chhabra - never mind. The almost record holder are the robot artists, who almost got full score, but got desqualified for using a power functions motor.
Jatin Chhabra - search up robot artists OEC on CZcams. You will find them
Shit