Glad it helped at least a little, I noticed this when I replaced stock end weights with Barkbuster and on my FZ1 with R&G bar ends. I ended up weighing them compared to stock and well the stock ones were much heavier. Like you mentioned this made me realised sometimes it's best to stick with OEM as bolt on bits sometimes don't factor in bike specific needs especially universal parts.
I'm going to weight my BMW OEM bar end weights in a moment I know they are really heavy you can almost do a work out with them if you hold both in one hand.
Just add sticky wheel balancing weights behind the bar after the clamp to shift the sine wave phase such that the mid point plot becomes tuned to occur at the grips for the worst rpm.
@@auscurrymaster Facing or behind. Makes no difference. The bar end weight bounces a wave back which is of less amplitude so does not fully phase out the prime vibrating wave which is why a little vibration can still be felt so the next trick is to move the 0 and 180 degree points of the wave(middle point) to the grip by way of increasing the wave length with a sticky weight.
Dear RocketMan, 2022 I bought a Tiger 900 GT Pro and had major issues with the bike. Vibrations lead to my right arm getting numb after about one hour riding. I read in a forum that somebody fixed that by adjusting the valve timing of the engine. So after around 10'000km I decided to pay for an early valve adjustment, which really fixed the vibration issue. I recommend everybody to do that if they feel excessive vibrations in the handle bars. Cheers Karim
Hello Karim, thank you for your comment. I also read somewhere else about the valve adjustment, question is: do you know what actually did your dealer? I am sure Triumph is well aware of the vibrations issue which they tried to tackle with the 2024 model. Apparently not successfully. So I am just wondering why they didn't fix it in the way your dealer did. As for the rest I confirm that Barkbuster and R&G end weights significantly reduced the vibrations. But still, at least with my bike (Aragon 2023), riding over 140/kph its not recommended: rear mirrors impossible to read and lots of vibes..Ideal speed between 120-130/kph. Safe rides. Federico
@@federico54527 Dear Federico, my dealer adjusted the valve clearance on cylinder one as the other cylinders were OK. After all the issues I experienced with my Triumph motorcycle I believe that the build quality isn’t up to Japanese standards. I had an issue with the rear wheel baring sealant, further issues with the front fork and this issue with the motor vibrations. All of them relate to poor build quality or quality control. So this is maybe for Triumph not so easy to solve as it seems their main focus is to have a low-cost production. I might be wrong here, but this is my impression. Well I hope somebody of the community tries this remedy out and reports if it has also led to success in his or her case. Cheers to all
Thanks for that, I didn't know Barkbusters did add on weights. I wish they did the plastic hand guards without the name on as it does my OCD no good having the writing the same on both sides....
I agree the branding is a bit in-your-face, but I like the name so don’t mind too much. The weights are hidden away on their website, not easy to find at all. See link in the description here😊👍
Fitted some (leftover) barkbusters to my R1250R, same thing, increased vibs through the bars. Managed to fit the original bar end weights with bark busters, and all is good again Yes i know the R1250R isn't a off road bike, but here in UK, we get rain and cold, and this extra protection is a bonus
Still handy if the bike falls over. I found it was a snapped off lever everytime otherwise. OEM levers were expensive. And the pattern one are a very poor fit.
That's why you fit the BarkBusters bar end weights. Edit, you did lol I've seen some people ad lead shot or fishing weights inside the bars. I've never tried it.
No bike vibrates - and I've ridden a lot over the past 64 years - like the Handley Page Hastings aircraft did; 10,000 rivets, flying in loose formation. On Jan 12, 1953 at Shallufa, Egypt, vibration sheared the elevator bolts of Hastings TG602. First the right elevator detatched, followed by the left elevator and the rudder and/or tail assembly. All 9 on board were killed. On July 6 1965, exactly 59 years ago today and some 15 minutes after it went in, as part of the RAF Benson crash crew, I attended the crash of Hastings TG577 at Little Baldon (Oxon.) after two elevator bolts sheared due to metal fatigue. All 41 on board were killed when the aircraft cart-wheeled in from around 1500 feet. One of those killed was a former physical training instuctor (PTI) of mine. Lest We Forget.
Think the aftermarket bit is bang on, my vfr was silky smooth and hands never went even slightly tingly, installed some bar risers and noticed the vibration change instantly, added some grip puppies but didnt change much, learnt to live with it as the 8th gen vfr basically has race clip ons but still annoying to solve one problem and start another
That's kind of you, David. Yes, all ok, just enjoying the summer and as there isn't much motorcycle activity at the moment, I prefer to keep quiet rather than make videos for the sake of it. Plenty of things planned for Sept/Oct :)
I've got acerbis handguards on my transalp and really appreciated the wind protection whilst riding at about 4C yesterday. I am wondering though if lightweight plastic shields might actually be better as the drop protection may not be that great. I think the most relevant part of handguards may be wind protection. I find myself developing a more minimalist mindset when it comes to add ons.
@@RocketMan_Moto Despite looking quite sturdy, the acerbis handguards had a removable sticker on them stating that they are not intended as lever and bar protection and are just protectors from wind as well as brush when riding through treed tracks. On that basis I don't really need them and lightweight non vibrating plastic ones would keep the wind off just fine. I wonder if handguards have ever saved the day anywhere, apart from more extreme off road riding.
I slightly disagree with upper engine bars, only because they saved my leg when a car pulled out in front of me. My bars took the impact, destroying the back end of the car. Had they not been there then my knee would have took the impact. So I’ve fitted them again to my next bike!
I was spoiled by my first street motorcycle, which had a completely rubber mounted engine and shaft drive. I had a 790cc Triumph Bonneville, it was very smooth, but only to 70mph. Above that it had vibration. Same thing with my MT-07, smooth until 70, very bad above that speed. I have not ridden other parallel twins, but I have read that most of them do have vibration, which means I won’t be buying one. I guess there’s a reason the inline four replaced most other engine types in the 1970’s, it was smoother and faster. (And yes I know they can be very buzzy, but often very smooth too. Depends on the bike)
Hey there! Actually, there is one tip (that I am yet to try out myself, since I don't feel the vibes that much on my TA): you can try filling the inside of the handlebar with sand before installing it back on the bike. It adds weight with 0 cost, but watch out for the rubber dampers since adding too much weight might damage those.
I am extraordinarily glad I saw this video. I have been trying to chase the excess vibrations on my tiger 900 rally Pro. When I rented a tiger 900 rally Pro in New Zealand I had no issues with vibration However when I bought my Tiger 900 rally Pro here in the states It had rocx risers and bark busters and the vibration has been almost unbearable.
Bar end weights are often a big help. I’ve got them on my old DR 650 that is equipped with Renthal aluminum handlebars and Tusk D-Flex hand guards. The weights really help. I took a test ride on a ‘23 Tiger 900 Rally Pro today, and I swear my DR is less buzzy in the handlebars on the highway than the Tiger. Which, when you think about it, is kinda ridiculous. I understand the new ‘24 Tigers are a big improvement in the vibration department, but come on, Triumph. It’s the 21st Century, already. We’re not green laning in the UK at 50 - 60 mph, we’re blasting across Texas on the interstate at 80 mph. Not being able to feel your hands and feet after an hour on the interstate is just not acceptable.
@@RocketMan_Moto Well, balance shafts are hardly new technology, but they do add weight and complexity. So it’s a trade off. Honestly, I just don’t think Triumph necessarily understands how we run our bikes here. In most UK bike reviews I see, speeds are seldom in excess of 60 mph. The Tiger is just fine at 60. Then again, KTM has got to be thinking autobahn, but most of their bikes are vibey at speed, too. (Although, not as bad as the Tiger.) Who knows? 🤷🏼♂️
I have a 2012 Tiger 800. Added Barkbusters and noticed increased mirror vibes above 70 or 80. I jury rigged some rubber spacers, helped a bit, but not completely. I don’t feel so bad after reading the comments.
I owned a Tiger 900 GT Pro from new. Kept it three months but had to sell it due to numb hands. I know with the latest 900 models (like yours) they have tried to address this with rubber mounted bars etc. Still not great though. I think with the latest Tiger 1200 they have tackled it head on with a reengineered balancer shaft. Hopefully they will do the same with the 900. All bikes have vibes, which often gives character, but high frequency ones through bars giving numb hands it not pleasant. Glad you have tackled yours to make acceptable.
Interesting video. I took delivery of my 2024 Tiger 900 about 3 weeks ago and quickly added barkbusters with the optional bar end weights and didn’t notice any difference from the OEM guards. Looks as though the (admittedly quite expensive) bar end weights were worth the extra expense!
Resonance eh. The ends of the handlebars on my old BSA Spitfire were filled with putty and lead shot, worked a treat, the vibes throuhg the foot pegs and seat were another story altogether
Done this on my 1200 i would change out the silver spacers for the black weights you get in the kit this will then add more weight from stock and take its pretty much away
The new crash bars do not have that problem you showed (Triumph added aditional point to the frame). I have dropped my tiger many times off roading and they work perfectly! The old one did not have this extra fixture and would bend back and hit the tank.
I cured the vibrations on my Tiger 900 by selling it …I have a huge issue with this platform ..when it was released in 2022 the media loved it ..and only now after triumph updated the platform are they talking about the vibe issues on the first ones ..seems to me they all kept it quiet so as not to upset the manufacturer…a genuinely fantastic bike ruined by the engine
I think it’s frustration on my part ..I really liked the bike a lot . Comfy right amount of power , good looks , agile , fitted me perfectly, but I genuinely couldn’t ride it after 3 months because of the vibe issue ..I’m glad and hopeful that the triumph update and your bar ends work .. but I will forever remain sceptical about mainstream journalists and media because of those initial reviews and the backtracking on the updated model where the vibe issue had been fixed .that was never mentioned in the original reviews
I took a test ride on a ‘23 this morning. Took it out on I-10 here in Houston. The handlebar vibration at 70 mph and above was just horrendous. Which is unfortunate, because it’s an otherwise lovely bike. I’m actually looking to get a ‘24, and I’ll be test riding that Tuesday evening. Hopefully Triumph has solved the problem in the ‘24s, though RocketMan’s experience suggests otherwise. If the ‘24 is still buzzy at 70-80 mph, that’ll be a hard pass for me. Which is really sad, because it’s the best equipped bike in its class. That doesn’t matter though, if I can’t ride comfortably for hours at high speed. Texas is a big place and we have to ride/drive fast here to be able to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time.
I assume it's still the T plane crank on the 900s. when I had a test ride, a couple of years ago , I really wasn't keen on the vibrations that the T plane crank made. I found the 120 degree cranks on a Striple 660 and Speed Triple 1050 that I had to be reasonably smooth. The T plane cranked triples I've only test rode, not so smooth. So much so , I wouldn't want a T plane cranked triple engine. I never did get the "turn a triple into a twin" kind of mentality. Maybe that's just me ! with a 120 degree crank, and a 17 inch front wheel , and more road going focus , Triumph could entice me into a Tiger 900 . As it is , I'm more likely to get a Yammie Tracer 9 GT, that has all of those. All that said , I do have a Speed Twin 1200, that does have some vibrations, more through the seat , and I don't mind that. But If I got a triple , well I'd want a 120 degree crank !
I found my ST1200 buttery smooth, tbh. I have finally got the Tiger’s vibrations down to an acceptable level, and so can enjoy the bike’s many positives. Ride safe😊👍
@@RocketMan_Moto I do feel vibrations through the seat of my 2019 Speed Twin. I don't mind them. They're part of the character of the bike ! I guess, if I have a multi cylinder engine, I expect them to be a bit smoother !!! 😀
Had my tiger 850 for 9000km's now. Can't say i've ever been bothered by vibes. You are sitting on an engine after all. I want to feel the motor work. Sounds amazing to me, a conventional firing triple has never caught my interest.
@@RocketMan_Moto Nope, stock plastic wind guards. I could understand metal handguards possibly influencing vibes. Noticed some slight changes in the vibes on my previous CB500X after fitting crash bars (SW motech). Never something that really bothered me on that one either.
HI. I have got the barkbusters End weights today for my tiger 900GT 2020. its lot lot better I want to get it still better, so I think I will buy a new top yoke with the rubber mountings from the 2024 tiger and fit it thanks. John
It's not really about how things are installed it's all about resonant frequencies. From the factory motorcycles are typically pretty specifically tuned to eliminate resonance in the things you're touching at the frequencies they will be experiencing. When you add or remove weight or even move weight around on those things you change the resonant frequencies of those things and if those happen to increase in areas that vibrations are naturally going to occur things will get worse. Bar ends do dampen the vibration by adding mass but they will also alter the resident frequency of the bars. That's why sometimes adding different weight bar ends can actually make things worse. It just depends on the bike and what is attached to the thing and where it's attached.
Have you tried experimenting by adding a few stainless steel washers at the ends of the handlebars, on top of the Barkbuster weights that you fitted? If adding the weights helped, then adding a little more weight at the bar ends might improve things even more?
I was riding out of Amboise a couple of years ago and felt something hit my foot, stopped but couldn't see any problems. A week letter I spotted a missing bar end weight, hmm. A couple of weeks later is out with wifeey nr Amboise and thought, I wonder. Yep, the bar end weight and bolt were in the gutter of the roundabout, 3 weeks after I'd lost them...
I just did 1500 miles in 6 days on an ADV 350 and at the end realised I had not fitted the Puppy's - obviously didn't miss them then! Previous 700cc Honda twin had them which is sort of weird, twins being rougher than singles?
Doesn't the 2024 Tiger 900 have a couple of thin rubber washers on the risers, which has improved the vibration over the old model. If yours is the previous model, I'm sure you could retro fit those washers to improve things even more.
Yes, my 2024 RP does have the rubber washers. They probably help, but they're only thin rubber washers... Maybe it's just my fault for adding the Barkbusters??
I'm intrigued. I have the same problem with my Tiger. Infact this new model has more vibration than the previous one I owned in 2022. This is contrary to what most reviews have stated. On inspection of my bar ends I don't seem to have OEM bar end weights, the flimsy plastic hand guard bolts directly to the end of the bar, there is no weighted spacer between. Is this how you found yours? Thank you.
I binned the plastic factory handguards and fitted the Barkbusters on delivery day, so never really tested the originals. But no, you’re right: they have no end weights at all.
Rocket, the 24 900gt is very high on my new bike list. How is the leg roasting? How is the vibration? Lastly, how does it compare in comfort to a Trace 9? Coming from a KTM 390 Adventure. As always your vids are excellent. San Diego, CA.
I've recently had the chance to try the 900GT and the leg roasting was bad. I've tested it on a pretty hot day, and to say the least it was unpleasant. I thought as I increase the speed the wind will blow the hot air in a different direction, but to my surprise, it just got worse. Comfort wise I think it's much better than the tracer 9, i've tested them back to back, and the tiger is much more relaxed, and the wind protection is a thousand times better than on the tracer. The only better thing the tracer has is it's engine, and if you try the plus version the radar cruise control is really good. It's a tough choice, and i'm in the same shoes. I would wait for 2025 because the tracer will get a significant update, and hopefully the tiger will get some better aerodynamics and maybe a dash update (because this menu system is horrible).
The heat is noticeable but not a dealbreaker imo. If you wear riding jeans, or even mesh pants with knee protectors, you barely notice it. Maybe it depends on individual leg length and therefore knee height??
Great to hear about solutions for the problem. I have an issue with bar ends for Honda CB250 Two fifty/Nighthawk - due to learning crashes both bar ends snapped leaving a metal part inside the bar. I am not sure should it be removed and replaced with some after market weights or are they original and only original weights will fit? I know - silly question/issue but I cannot find the answer anywhere.
Interesting video. I rode a KTM 690 Enduro over 23 days and 4,200 miles in May and June in the US. I did get a buzz through the bars but not unbearably so. I actually decided against a Tiger 900 specifically because of the vibrations you had. It seems that there are harmonics that may well come into play which then affect levers, cables and other free floating items that can exacerbate the issue. Your bar weight presumably shift the frequency. Was it an issue on the earlier 120 degree crank? My 1995 Sprint Triple was pretty smooth with no nasty vibrations. The “T plane crank” is not progress to me and, it seems, the culprit for much of what you’re now having to cure.
@@RocketMan_Moto Probably, did test the 2024 without barkbusters, way less vibrations than mine without.. should be the same with ones correspondingly.
Interesting reading. I've got a Tiger 850 Sport, and engine vibes are (or were) a problem. Similar to you, I fitted grip puppies (called pussy grips here in Aus), R&G stainless bar end weights, checked the torque of every nut and bolt (particularly the engine bars and sump guard)... all helped, but the buzz was still there. Until I found the XRC anti-fatigue handlebar mount kit (you'll have to google; if I put a link in the post gets deleted). They're not cheap but they've reduced the handlebar vibes to about the same level I experience on my Speed Twin 1200 - i.e. negligible. Unfortunately for you they're don't have a version for the 2024 model, but for anyone with an older Tiger 900 model who is bothered by engine vibration, this is the cure (at least for me - YMMV).
Hello, thank you for the info. Two questions: 1) any problems with clutch/brake cables when mounting the XRC? 2) I know it is hard to judge, but by how much would you say the XRC reduced the vibrations? Thank you
@@federico54527 No problems with cables. The mounts have two positions and I used the one closest to the stock position as I’m ok with the standard riding ergonomics. As for vibrations, I would say it’s the change I made that has made the biggest difference. Most of the time I ride I’m now not thinking of the vibes, and on a typical 2 - 3 hour weekend ride I never need to take my hands off the bars for a ‘rest’. Honestly, I’ve gone from thinking I’ll be trading the bike to thinking it’s a keeper. Why Triumph haven’t offered something like this as an option (like KTM do) is beyond me.
@@federico54527 Hi. No problems with the installation and cable clearances. They're adjustable to two positions, but I chose the one closest to stock, as I like the standard ergonomics. As for the reduction in vibes, I'd say... 80 - 90%. Honestly, I no longer think about it, and on a typical 2 - 3 hour weekend ride I never need to rest my hands because of vibration. Hope this helps.
Olá, na transalp, aumentar o peso no guiador, uma volta e meia na suspensão frente para a esquerda, (mais macio) e posição cinco/seis no amortecedor traseiro mais duro, parece que resolve a vibração ainda que se tenha barras de proteção frente e proteção motor. Agora, e sempre na transalp, o suporte malas swmotech e malas dusck só com o escape de origem ou as malas derretem, tinha visto as Suas com o akrapovic, mas, não me parece real, o mesmo aconteceu com este tipo de malas macias e a Sua cb 500x, queimam, ainda tentei falar com a marca sob peças de reposição para as malas, mas..........Suponho que para a triumph também resulte e claro uns michelin anakee road é ouro sobre o azul, perfeito
I could ride a street triple for 10h+ days in comfort. But this tourer triple? Nope. It's a shame. (Haven't tried the '24 though). The vibe level of previous version was similar to a KTM 890, but probably more numbing. My NC750x also has all-day comfort.
@@RocketMan_Moto Thanks for the reply! Bit pricy for all the additional bits and bobs but I like the look and if it helps vibrations that is worth it. I am taking delivery of a 24 rally pro in the same green color soon! Debated between the GT Pro and Rally for weeks and your videos played a factor in my choice :)
Has anyine tried to get hold of and fitting the rubber handlebar washes gutted to the 2024 Tiger 900's? BTW I have a Tiger 900 GT Pro from 2021 and for me the bike does not vibrate too much
@@RocketMan_Moto No, the handlebar mounts on the pre-2024 models are a different shape to the post-2024 models (one is oblong, the other is round), so they don't fit. I installed 3mm thick nitrile rubber (cut to shape from sheet) on my Tiger 850 Sport, but it made minimum difference. I suspect that the rubber on your bike goes further than just under the handlebar mounts.
Your racks look like they have monolock setup like they could be used with my Givi hard case, do you have a part number?, I currently have a 2024 900GT.
Oh... So not only 'cheap' Honda CB 500X has vibrations but also quite expensive Triumph ? Hehehe... I removed some crash guards from mine Honda and it's better (some vibs between 3500 - 4000 rpm) but not perfect. PS that price for basically some pieces of anchor weight is ridiculous.
I own a tiger 955 I bought new in 2003. My wife owns a tiger 800 that she bought new in 2012. Both of those bikes are electric motor smooth. No vibrations. I bought a 900 tiger gt pro in 2022. What a disappointment. I feel like I'm riding a paint can shaker. Don't even get me started on the engine heat. Triumph really messed up when they changed the engine firing order. They say it runs like twin down low and a triple up top. That is a liar, liar pants on fire statement. This thing runs and sounds like a twin, period. It lost the wonderful triple howl. Increased low end torque? In in drag race my 955 will pull away from it like it's chained to a post. I'm stuck with it for now because I would lose a lot if I would try to sell it. I have always been a fan of the brand, but I'll never buy another. Good luck on trying to fix an unfixable factory designed problem.
Handlebar weights can make a huge difference. I have played around with that myself. Of the 3 points of contact: hands, feet, backside. I would far rather have vibration in the hands.
Can you please recommend me a reliable trustworthy Honda dealer in Portugal, maybe close to Portimao, and do you think they will accept an order via email ?
@@RocketMan_Moto Just sent Annelise the signed contract and made the downpayment for a green translucent SH125. My gf will be so happy to have independent transport when we get the key to our new place. And I have this weird preference for taking small scooters on big 1000+ km trips… thanks for your help !
Geez, like spending money don't you. Grab a dozen spherical fishing weights in lead. Squirt silicone sealer into the ends, push in 5 or six lead weights, squirt in some more silicone sealant, then reattach your barkbusters and hardware. I've used thi trick on many buzzy bikes over many years.
Is there any gap at all? I had to contend with one set that had mostly been sealed to enable threading for bar end weights, but I managed to use lead airgun pellets carefully squeezed in there. Maybe you just ride a higher calibre of motorcickle.
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Glad it helped at least a little, I noticed this when I replaced stock end weights with Barkbuster and on my FZ1 with R&G bar ends. I ended up weighing them compared to stock and well the stock ones were much heavier. Like you mentioned this made me realised sometimes it's best to stick with OEM as bolt on bits sometimes don't factor in bike specific needs especially universal parts.
Thanks again for your invaluable input👍😊
I'm going to weight my BMW OEM bar end weights in a moment I know they are really heavy you can almost do a work out with them if you hold both in one hand.
Just add sticky wheel balancing weights behind the bar after the clamp to shift the sine wave phase such that the mid point plot becomes tuned to occur at the grips for the worst rpm.
Good tip, hadn’t thought of wheel weights. Some interesting experimentation in prospect👍😊
Do you mean stick the weights so that they're facing the rider, and position them just next to, and outboard of the bar clamps on each side?
@@auscurrymaster Facing or behind. Makes no difference. The bar end weight bounces a wave back which is of less amplitude so does not fully phase out the prime vibrating wave which is why a little vibration can still be felt so the next trick is to move the 0 and 180 degree points of the wave(middle point) to the grip by way of increasing the wave length with a sticky weight.
Dear RocketMan, 2022 I bought a Tiger 900 GT Pro and had major issues with the bike. Vibrations lead to my right arm getting numb after about one hour riding. I read in a forum that somebody fixed that by adjusting the valve timing of the engine. So after around 10'000km I decided to pay for an early valve adjustment, which really fixed the vibration issue. I recommend everybody to do that if they feel excessive vibrations in the handle bars. Cheers Karim
Very interesting. Thanks for your input👍😊
Hello Karim, thank you for your comment. I also read somewhere else about the valve adjustment, question is: do you know what actually did your dealer? I am sure Triumph is well aware of the vibrations issue which they tried to tackle with the 2024 model. Apparently not successfully. So I am just wondering why they didn't fix it in the way your dealer did. As for the rest I confirm that Barkbuster and R&G end weights significantly reduced the vibrations. But still, at least with my bike (Aragon 2023), riding over 140/kph its not recommended: rear mirrors impossible to read and lots of vibes..Ideal speed between 120-130/kph. Safe rides. Federico
@@federico54527 Dear Federico, my dealer adjusted the valve clearance on cylinder one as the other cylinders were OK. After all the issues I experienced with my Triumph motorcycle I believe that the build quality isn’t up to Japanese standards. I had an issue with the rear wheel baring sealant, further issues with the front fork and this issue with the motor vibrations. All of them relate to poor build quality or quality control. So this is maybe for Triumph not so easy to solve as it seems their main focus is to have a low-cost production. I might be wrong here, but this is my impression. Well I hope somebody of the community tries this remedy out and reports if it has also led to success in his or her case. Cheers to all
Its always nice when you can find an easy solution to a problem. Great video!
Yes! Thanks, Jeffrey👍😊
Thanks for that, I didn't know Barkbusters did add on weights. I wish they did the plastic hand guards without the name on as it does my OCD no good having the writing the same on both sides....
I agree the branding is a bit in-your-face, but I like the name so don’t mind too much. The weights are hidden away on their website, not easy to find at all. See link in the description here😊👍
Fitted some (leftover) barkbusters to my R1250R, same thing, increased vibs through the bars. Managed to fit the original bar end weights with bark busters, and all is good again
Yes i know the R1250R isn't a off road bike, but here in UK, we get rain and cold, and this extra protection is a bonus
Absolutely👍😊
Still handy if the bike falls over. I found it was a snapped off lever everytime otherwise. OEM levers were expensive. And the pattern one are a very poor fit.
@@chrishart8548 I know, a lever is about £105 + taxes, and keeps my fingers a bit warmer
@@flexywing I've dropped my bike twice since I fitted handgaurds with the metal reinforcement. I think they have already paid for themselves.
That's why you fit the BarkBusters bar end weights.
Edit, you did lol
I've seen some people ad lead shot or fishing weights inside the bars. I've never tried it.
I may experiment more🤔
I think I heard about people filling the bars with sand
No bike vibrates - and I've ridden a lot over the past 64 years - like the Handley Page Hastings aircraft did; 10,000 rivets, flying in loose formation. On Jan 12, 1953 at Shallufa, Egypt, vibration sheared the elevator bolts of Hastings TG602. First the right elevator detatched, followed by the left elevator and the rudder and/or tail assembly. All 9 on board were killed. On July 6 1965, exactly 59 years ago today and some 15 minutes after it went in, as part of the RAF Benson crash crew, I attended the crash of Hastings TG577 at Little Baldon (Oxon.) after two elevator bolts sheared due to metal fatigue. All 41 on board were killed when the aircraft cart-wheeled in from around 1500 feet. One of those killed was a former physical training instuctor (PTI) of mine. Lest We Forget.
Thanks for your input😊
Thanks for the interesting story
Think the aftermarket bit is bang on, my vfr was silky smooth and hands never went even slightly tingly, installed some bar risers and noticed the vibration change instantly, added some grip puppies but didnt change much, learnt to live with it as the 8th gen vfr basically has race clip ons but still annoying to solve one problem and start another
Yes, I'm beginning to realise you need to be careful
Hope all is well, it's been a while so I thought I would check in.
That's kind of you, David. Yes, all ok, just enjoying the summer and as there isn't much motorcycle activity at the moment, I prefer to keep quiet rather than make videos for the sake of it. Plenty of things planned for Sept/Oct :)
@@RocketMan_Moto 😀
I didn't know there where optional bar weights to Barkbusters. I will order some for my tiger as well.
They’re hidden away on the BB website. I only discovered them thanks to my subscriber’s comment and a search on Google🤔
I've got acerbis handguards on my transalp and really appreciated the wind protection whilst riding at about 4C yesterday. I am wondering though if lightweight plastic shields might actually be better as the drop protection may not be that great. I think the most relevant part of handguards may be wind protection. I find myself developing a more minimalist mindset when it comes to add ons.
Me too, Tony. Decided to bolt as few accessories on as possible, especially those containing metal components.
@@RocketMan_Moto Despite looking quite sturdy, the acerbis handguards had a removable sticker on them stating that they are not intended as lever and bar protection and are just protectors from wind as well as brush when riding through treed tracks. On that basis I don't really need them and lightweight non vibrating plastic ones would keep the wind off just fine. I wonder if handguards have ever saved the day anywhere, apart from more extreme off road riding.
You’re right and I don’t have any stats, but I feel more secure with some beefy metal around my hands😊
I slightly disagree with upper engine bars, only because they saved my leg when a car pulled out in front of me. My bars took the impact, destroying the back end of the car. Had they not been there then my knee would have took the impact. So I’ve fitted them again to my next bike!
I totally understand that. I’m not saying they are never any good, but I personally prefer to ‘take the risk’😊
I was spoiled by my first street motorcycle, which had a completely rubber mounted engine and shaft drive. I had a 790cc Triumph Bonneville, it was very smooth, but only to 70mph. Above that it had vibration. Same thing with my MT-07, smooth until 70, very bad above that speed. I have not ridden other parallel twins, but I have read that most of them do have vibration, which means I won’t be buying one. I guess there’s a reason the inline four replaced most other engine types in the 1970’s, it was smoother and faster. (And yes I know they can be very buzzy, but often very smooth too. Depends on the bike)
Thanks for your input👍😊
Hey there! Actually, there is one tip (that I am yet to try out myself, since I don't feel the vibes that much on my TA): you can try filling the inside of the handlebar with sand before installing it back on the bike. It adds weight with 0 cost, but watch out for the rubber dampers since adding too much weight might damage those.
Nice tip👍😊
I am extraordinarily glad I saw this video. I have been trying to chase the excess vibrations on my tiger 900 rally Pro. When I rented a tiger 900 rally Pro in New Zealand I had no issues with vibration However when I bought my Tiger 900 rally Pro here in the states It had rocx risers and bark busters and the vibration has been almost unbearable.
Glad it helped. Thanks for your input👍😊
Bar end weights are often a big help. I’ve got them on my old DR 650 that is equipped with Renthal aluminum handlebars and Tusk D-Flex hand guards. The weights really help. I took a test ride on a ‘23 Tiger 900 Rally Pro today, and I swear my DR is less buzzy in the handlebars on the highway than the Tiger. Which, when you think about it, is kinda ridiculous. I understand the new ‘24 Tigers are a big improvement in the vibration department, but come on, Triumph. It’s the 21st Century, already. We’re not green laning in the UK at 50 - 60 mph, we’re blasting across Texas on the interstate at 80 mph. Not being able to feel your hands and feet after an hour on the interstate is just not acceptable.
Completely agree. I know that engines are inherently vibey, but as you say, surely bikes can be made less buzzy??
@@RocketMan_Moto Well, balance shafts are hardly new technology, but they do add weight and complexity. So it’s a trade off. Honestly, I just don’t think Triumph necessarily understands how we run our bikes here. In most UK bike reviews I see, speeds are seldom in excess of 60 mph. The Tiger is just fine at 60. Then again, KTM has got to be thinking autobahn, but most of their bikes are vibey at speed, too. (Although, not as bad as the Tiger.) Who knows? 🤷🏼♂️
I've added bar end weights to my GS and it helped quite a bit with vibes
Yes, weights seem to be a magical solution
Evotech make end weights as well. Most of the 1200rp and gt guys in europe use them with big success.
Yes, they help a lot. Thanks for the heads-up re. Evotech :)
@@RocketMan_Moto I like the WRS Sport screen at hot weather too.
I have a 2012 Tiger 800. Added Barkbusters and noticed increased mirror vibes above 70 or 80. I jury rigged some rubber spacers, helped a bit, but not completely. I don’t feel so bad after reading the comments.
Strange, the 800 had the reputation of being buttery smooth. Thanks for your input😊👍
I owned a Tiger 900 GT Pro from new. Kept it three months but had to sell it due to numb hands. I know with the latest 900 models (like yours) they have tried to address this with rubber mounted bars etc. Still not great though. I think with the latest Tiger 1200 they have tackled it head on with a reengineered balancer shaft. Hopefully they will do the same with the 900. All bikes have vibes, which often gives character, but high frequency ones through bars giving numb hands it not pleasant. Glad you have tackled yours to make acceptable.
Thanks. I imagine the damped bars help a bit, but vibration is still very disappointing for such a premium bike.
Interesting video. I took delivery of my 2024 Tiger 900 about 3 weeks ago and quickly added barkbusters with the optional bar end weights and didn’t notice any difference from the OEM guards. Looks as though the (admittedly quite expensive) bar end weights were worth the extra expense!
Absolutely. I didn't know the weights were available until it was pointed out to me in a comment; they're hidden away on the BB website. Ride safe :)
Resonance eh. The ends of the handlebars on my old BSA Spitfire were filled with putty and lead shot, worked a treat, the vibes throuhg the foot pegs and seat were another story altogether
Good tip. Thanks👍😊
Done this on my 1200 i would change out the silver spacers for the black weights you get in the kit this will then add more weight from stock and take its pretty much away
Thanks for your input👍😊
Thanks for the video! Any tips on vibrating mirrors? Thanks!
Hmm, I’ve never really had that problem, so haven’t ever investigated. Sorry😊
@@RocketMan_Moto OK, thanks for the reply 😞 (vibrating) brrrrrrrrrrrrbbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... 🙂
The new crash bars do not have that problem you showed (Triumph added aditional point to the frame). I have dropped my tiger many times off roading and they work perfectly! The old one did not have this extra fixture and would bend back and hit the tank.
Yes, the new bars are better, I believe
I cured the vibrations on my Tiger 900 by selling it …I have a huge issue with this platform ..when it was released in 2022 the media loved it ..and only now after triumph updated the platform are they talking about the vibe issues on the first ones ..seems to me they all kept it quiet so as not to upset the manufacturer…a genuinely fantastic bike ruined by the engine
Harsh, but I understand your complaint. Fortunately these weights seem to have cured most of the vibes👍
I think it’s frustration on my part ..I really liked the bike a lot . Comfy right amount of power , good looks , agile , fitted me perfectly, but I genuinely couldn’t ride it after 3 months because of the vibe issue ..I’m glad and hopeful that the triumph update and your bar ends work .. but I will forever remain sceptical about mainstream journalists and media because of those initial reviews and the backtracking on the updated model where the vibe issue had been fixed .that was never mentioned in the original reviews
I get that
I took a test ride on a ‘23 this morning. Took it out on I-10 here in Houston. The handlebar vibration at 70 mph and above was just horrendous. Which is unfortunate, because it’s an otherwise lovely bike. I’m actually looking to get a ‘24, and I’ll be test riding that Tuesday evening. Hopefully Triumph has solved the problem in the ‘24s, though RocketMan’s experience suggests otherwise. If the ‘24 is still buzzy at 70-80 mph, that’ll be a hard pass for me. Which is really sad, because it’s the best equipped bike in its class. That doesn’t matter though, if I can’t ride comfortably for hours at high speed. Texas is a big place and we have to ride/drive fast here to be able to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time.
unbelievable, this whining, buy a E-Scooter.
20.000km on my Rally Pro and no idea what you talking about
I assume it's still the T plane crank on the 900s. when I had a test ride, a couple of years ago , I really wasn't keen on the vibrations that the T plane crank made.
I found the 120 degree cranks on a Striple 660 and Speed Triple 1050 that I had to be reasonably smooth. The T plane cranked triples I've only test rode, not so smooth.
So much so , I wouldn't want a T plane cranked triple engine.
I never did get the "turn a triple into a twin" kind of mentality. Maybe that's just me !
with a 120 degree crank, and a 17 inch front wheel , and more road going focus , Triumph could entice me into a Tiger 900 . As it is , I'm more likely to get a Yammie Tracer 9 GT, that has all of those.
All that said , I do have a Speed Twin 1200, that does have some vibrations, more through the seat , and I don't mind that. But If I got a triple , well I'd want a 120 degree crank !
I found my ST1200 buttery smooth, tbh. I have finally got the Tiger’s vibrations down to an acceptable level, and so can enjoy the bike’s many positives. Ride safe😊👍
@@RocketMan_Moto I do feel vibrations through the seat of my 2019 Speed Twin. I don't mind them. They're part of the character of the bike !
I guess, if I have a multi cylinder engine, I expect them to be a bit smoother !!! 😀
That is a good tip. Thanks for sharing 👍
You’re welcome😊
Had my tiger 850 for 9000km's now. Can't say i've ever been bothered by vibes. You are sitting on an engine after all. I want to feel the motor work. Sounds amazing to me, a conventional firing triple has never caught my interest.
Do you have the Barkbusters?
@@RocketMan_Moto Nope, stock plastic wind guards.
I could understand metal handguards possibly influencing vibes.
Noticed some slight changes in the vibes on my previous CB500X after fitting crash bars (SW motech). Never something that really bothered me on that one either.
HI. I have got the barkbusters End weights today for my tiger 900GT 2020. its lot lot better I want to get it still better, so I think I will buy a new top yoke with the rubber mountings from the 2024 tiger and fit it thanks. John
I have the rubber mounts on my 2024. I guess they help a bit, but don’t expect the difference to be night and day😊
It's not really about how things are installed it's all about resonant frequencies. From the factory motorcycles are typically pretty specifically tuned to eliminate resonance in the things you're touching at the frequencies they will be experiencing. When you add or remove weight or even move weight around on those things you change the resonant frequencies of those things and if those happen to increase in areas that vibrations are naturally going to occur things will get worse. Bar ends do dampen the vibration by adding mass but they will also alter the resident frequency of the bars. That's why sometimes adding different weight bar ends can actually make things worse. It just depends on the bike and what is attached to the thing and where it's attached.
Thanks for your input👍😊
Have you tried experimenting by adding a few stainless steel washers at the ends of the handlebars, on top of the Barkbuster weights that you fitted? If adding the weights helped, then adding a little more weight at the bar ends might improve things even more?
I haven’t but that’s a very good idea. I’ll give it a go. Thanks👍😊
Would assume that the Barkbusters would be installed with the OEM weights.
They were not put on the bike for aesthetics.
The weights should come as standard👍
An old trick is the pump the handle bar tube full of silicone. It worked for me 👍
Great tip!! Thanks :)
Done that before, but you cant do that with Tiger bars, Rally or GT. They are capped and run wiring for the grip heaters inside the bars.
Switch to "Sport" mode and Vibrations are reduced to 25%
I ride in Sport mode at all times when not off road, doesn’t seem to affect vibration
I was riding out of Amboise a couple of years ago and felt something hit my foot, stopped but couldn't see any problems. A week letter I spotted a missing bar end weight, hmm. A couple of weeks later is out with wifeey nr Amboise and thought, I wonder. Yep, the bar end weight and bolt were in the gutter of the roundabout, 3 weeks after I'd lost them...
Wow, that was lucky. Good idea to use threadlocker on bolts like these👍
Nice video as always. Lol @ the sexy voice comment😂
Haha, it made me chuckle
What bag is that you have on the rear rack ? Looks nice n neat for bits n pieces
SW Motech Ion tail bag. Nice size and expandable👍
I just did 1500 miles in 6 days on an ADV 350 and at the end realised I had not fitted the Puppy's - obviously didn't miss them then! Previous 700cc Honda twin had them which is sort of weird, twins being rougher than singles?
I agree the ADV 350 is remarkably vibe-free
Doesn't the 2024 Tiger 900 have a couple of thin rubber washers on the risers, which has improved the vibration over the old model. If yours is the previous model, I'm sure you could retro fit those washers to improve things even more.
Yes, my 2024 RP does have the rubber washers. They probably help, but they're only thin rubber washers... Maybe it's just my fault for adding the Barkbusters??
Carbon fiber handlebar would make a huge difference
I will look into it
I'm intrigued. I have the same problem with my Tiger. Infact this new model has more vibration than the previous one I owned in 2022. This is contrary to what most reviews have stated. On inspection of my bar ends I don't seem to have OEM bar end weights, the flimsy plastic hand guard bolts directly to the end of the bar, there is no weighted spacer between. Is this how you found yours? Thank you.
I binned the plastic factory handguards and fitted the Barkbusters on delivery day, so never really tested the originals. But no, you’re right: they have no end weights at all.
Have the same problem on my -22 Tiger 1200 Pro. Strange that things like theese is not sorted better out before they release the bikes.
Exactly.
Rocket, the 24 900gt is very high on my new bike list. How is the leg roasting? How is the vibration? Lastly, how does it compare in comfort to a Trace 9?
Coming from a KTM 390 Adventure.
As always your vids are excellent.
San Diego, CA.
I've recently had the chance to try the 900GT and the leg roasting was bad. I've tested it on a pretty hot day, and to say the least it was unpleasant. I thought as I increase the speed the wind will blow the hot air in a different direction, but to my surprise, it just got worse. Comfort wise I think it's much better than the tracer 9, i've tested them back to back, and the tiger is much more relaxed, and the wind protection is a thousand times better than on the tracer. The only better thing the tracer has is it's engine, and if you try the plus version the radar cruise control is really good. It's a tough choice, and i'm in the same shoes. I would wait for 2025 because the tracer will get a significant update, and hopefully the tiger will get some better aerodynamics and maybe a dash update (because this menu system is horrible).
Thanks for your input👍😊
The heat is noticeable but not a dealbreaker imo. If you wear riding jeans, or even mesh pants with knee protectors, you barely notice it. Maybe it depends on individual leg length and therefore knee height??
I ride and love my rally, but if I were pavement only, I would opt of the Tracer 900GT. So much smoother...
Great to hear about solutions for the problem. I have an issue with bar ends for Honda CB250 Two fifty/Nighthawk - due to learning crashes both bar ends snapped leaving a metal part inside the bar. I am not sure should it be removed and replaced with some after market weights or are they original and only original weights will fit? I know - silly question/issue but I cannot find the answer anywhere.
Not sure either. Experimentation required…😊
From your dash it appears you have the 2024 900 which was updated with supposed less vibes? And your still having vibes????
Oh yes
Interesting video. I rode a KTM 690 Enduro over 23 days and 4,200 miles in May and June in the US. I did get a buzz through the bars but not unbearably so. I actually decided against a Tiger 900 specifically because of the vibrations you had. It seems that there are harmonics that may well come into play which then affect levers, cables and other free floating items that can exacerbate the issue. Your bar weight presumably shift the frequency. Was it an issue on the earlier 120 degree crank? My 1995 Sprint Triple was pretty smooth with no nasty vibrations. The “T plane crank” is not progress to me and, it seems, the culprit for much of what you’re now having to cure.
I agree. I have yet to encounter a real benefit to the T-plane crank🤷♂️
2022 Rally Pro here, same as you i experienced more vibes after installing Barkbusters, however bar end weights didn't help much, if not all.. :(
That’s disappointing. Maybe the rubber damping the 2024 model got helps?🤷♂️
@@RocketMan_Moto Probably, did test the 2024 without barkbusters, way less vibrations than mine without.. should be the same with ones correspondingly.
Interesting reading. I've got a Tiger 850 Sport, and engine vibes are (or were) a problem. Similar to you, I fitted grip puppies (called pussy grips here in Aus), R&G stainless bar end weights, checked the torque of every nut and bolt (particularly the engine bars and sump guard)... all helped, but the buzz was still there. Until I found the XRC anti-fatigue handlebar mount kit (you'll have to google; if I put a link in the post gets deleted). They're not cheap but they've reduced the handlebar vibes to about the same level I experience on my Speed Twin 1200 - i.e. negligible. Unfortunately for you they're don't have a version for the 2024 model, but for anyone with an older Tiger 900 model who is bothered by engine vibration, this is the cure (at least for me - YMMV).
Thanks for the info, I will check them out now. PS lol at the pussy grips name; not sure it would sell well here in Europe ;)
Hello, thank you for the info. Two questions: 1) any problems with clutch/brake cables when mounting the XRC? 2) I know it is hard to judge, but by how much would you say the XRC reduced the vibrations? Thank you
@@federico54527 No problems with cables. The mounts have two positions and I used the one closest to the stock position as I’m ok with the standard riding ergonomics. As for vibrations, I would say it’s the change I made that has made the biggest difference. Most of the time I ride I’m now not thinking of the vibes, and on a typical 2 - 3 hour weekend ride I never need to take my hands off the bars for a ‘rest’. Honestly, I’ve gone from thinking I’ll be trading the bike to thinking it’s a keeper. Why Triumph haven’t offered something like this as an option (like KTM do) is beyond me.
@@federico54527 Hi. No problems with the installation and cable clearances. They're adjustable to two positions, but I chose the one closest to stock, as I like the standard ergonomics. As for the reduction in vibes, I'd say... 80 - 90%. Honestly, I no longer think about it, and on a typical 2 - 3 hour weekend ride I never need to rest my hands because of vibration. Hope this helps.
Olá, na transalp, aumentar o peso no guiador, uma volta e meia na suspensão frente para a esquerda, (mais macio) e posição cinco/seis no amortecedor traseiro mais duro, parece que resolve a vibração ainda que se tenha barras de proteção frente e proteção motor. Agora, e sempre na transalp, o suporte malas swmotech e malas dusck só com o escape de origem ou as malas derretem, tinha visto as Suas com o akrapovic, mas, não me parece real, o mesmo aconteceu com este tipo de malas macias e a Sua cb 500x, queimam, ainda tentei falar com a marca sob peças de reposição para as malas, mas..........Suponho que para a triumph também resulte e claro uns michelin anakee road é ouro sobre o azul, perfeito
Thanks for your input 👍😊
I could ride a street triple for 10h+ days in comfort. But this tourer triple? Nope. It's a shame. (Haven't tried the '24 though). The vibe level of previous version was similar to a KTM 890, but probably more numbing. My NC750x also has all-day comfort.
Thanks for your input👍😊
Are those the VPS skidplates on there too? Sold Separate?
Yes, I have added the Barkbuster front deflectors, lateral sliders and bar weights.
@@RocketMan_Moto Thanks for the reply! Bit pricy for all the additional bits and bobs but I like the look and if it helps vibrations that is worth it. I am taking delivery of a 24 rally pro in the same green color soon! Debated between the GT Pro and Rally for weeks and your videos played a factor in my choice :)
Great choice. I prefer the suspension setup on the RP, too. More comfortable than the GT. Enjoy😊👍
Has anyine tried to get hold of and fitting the rubber handlebar washes gutted to the 2024 Tiger 900's? BTW I have a Tiger 900 GT Pro from 2021 and for me the bike does not vibrate too much
The rubber washers are very thin. I’m sure they could be added to the previous generation bikes without much difficulty.
@@RocketMan_Moto No, the handlebar mounts on the pre-2024 models are a different shape to the post-2024 models (one is oblong, the other is round), so they don't fit. I installed 3mm thick nitrile rubber (cut to shape from sheet) on my Tiger 850 Sport, but it made minimum difference. I suspect that the rubber on your bike goes further than just under the handlebar mounts.
Is your Tiger 900 the later version with the rubber mounted handlebars?
Yes, 2024 model
Your racks look like they have monolock setup like they could be used with my Givi hard case, do you have a part number?, I currently have a 2024 900GT.
They’re the Pro racks from SW Motech. Not sure if they’re compatible with Givi cases, but I believe adapters are available
Oh... So not only 'cheap' Honda CB 500X has vibrations but also quite expensive Triumph ? Hehehe...
I removed some crash guards from mine Honda and it's better (some vibs between 3500 - 4000 rpm) but not perfect.
PS that price for basically some pieces of anchor weight is ridiculous.
Yes, you definitely need to be careful with aftermarket add-ons
I own a tiger 955 I bought new in 2003. My wife owns a tiger 800 that she bought new in 2012. Both of those bikes are electric motor smooth. No vibrations. I bought a 900 tiger gt pro in 2022. What a disappointment. I feel like I'm riding a paint can shaker. Don't even get me started on the engine heat. Triumph really messed up when they changed the engine firing order. They say it runs like twin down low and a triple up top. That is a liar, liar pants on fire statement. This thing runs and sounds like a twin, period. It lost the wonderful triple howl. Increased low end torque? In in drag race my 955 will pull away from it like it's chained to a post. I'm stuck with it for now because I would lose a lot if I would try to sell it. I have always been a fan of the brand, but I'll never buy another. Good luck on trying to fix an unfixable factory designed problem.
The old Tigers were much smoother
Indeed. 955 Daytona track bike...smoooth and sounded fabulous through a Zard megaphone pipe.
Handlebar weights can make a huge difference. I have played around with that myself.
Of the 3 points of contact: hands, feet, backside. I would far rather have vibration in the hands.
Thanks for your input👍😊
Wow those weights are almost 1/2 the weight of a lithium motorbike battery
Lol, hadn’t thought of it like that, but you’re right👍😊
Can you please recommend me a reliable trustworthy Honda dealer in Portugal, maybe close to Portimao, and do you think they will accept an order via email ?
Contact Annelise Lopes at Angel Pilot in Portimao, always very helpful and professional. Her email is geralmotos@angelpilot.com
@@RocketMan_Moto Just sent Annelise the signed contract and made the downpayment for a green translucent SH125. My gf will be so happy to have independent transport when we get the key to our new place. And I have this weird preference for taking small scooters on big 1000+ km trips… thanks for your help !
Good to hear. The SH is a great scooter!
Geez, like spending money don't you. Grab a dozen spherical fishing weights in lead. Squirt silicone sealer into the ends, push in 5 or six lead weights, squirt in some more silicone sealant, then reattach your barkbusters and hardware. I've used thi trick on many buzzy bikes over many years.
The Tiger’s bars have sealed ends, so I’m afraid your solution won’t work. Geez…😂
Is there any gap at all? I had to contend with one set that had mostly been sealed to enable threading for bar end weights, but I managed to use lead airgun pellets carefully squeezed in there. Maybe you just ride a higher calibre of motorcickle.
Unfortunately not, completely sealed. I could drill everything out, I suppose, but I don't really fancy that :)
buy an E-Car
Not my cup of tea really
One solution is staying with your old 2-stroke engine motorcycle 🤧
Never had a 2-stroke😉
Two-stroke engines are addictive, and quite polluting too 😮. I always kept in my garage a 125cc Yamaha, it must be the smoke that's addictive 😢