Tarifa 76+3.0 too big sail! p.2 /just sailing in hell
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- čas přidán 4. 10. 2017
- It's my first (and last) day when I used to use 3.0 sail and 76 litres board for my 95 kilogramms.
The wind was up to 46 knots and was very gusty.
This struggle with the weather condition gave me a lot of experience for the future.
Thanks a lot, Tarifa, see you next time! - Sport
Every windsurfer knows what you feel
Yep. Falling in wavy overpowered conditions then waterstarting sucks if you are a beginner. I've been in that position many times.
Well Done for trying!
If you don’t try you don’t learn. We’ve all been in the same situation when improving.
This is what I see:-
Too small a sail? Need at least 1/2-1m more!
You must get your speed up for stability! Yes it’s scary to start with but within 15 minutes you will get used to it & your adrenaline will take over. You will then advance 1 year within that 15 minutes!
It is wobbly & on edge of falling in because you don’t have the speed. A bigger sail will get you up to speed quicker. Once you are up and speeding along you can then back off a little if it gets too scary. Also when you ‘sheet in’ it will be more stable as you will keep mast foot pressure on & thus the front of the board will have less of a tendency to take off.
Whatever you choose to do these are my main tips in strong winds:-
1. When you fall in & preparing to water start again you must Relax as best as possible & get your breathing back to normal.
Have a little think about what you did on the last run or runs & plan or try something different to see if it improves the next one. Get your bearings, be patient & don’t throw your rig in the air until you are facing exactly the right direction to water start. It saves the wind ripping it out of your hands! Use the swell to help get you up where you can.
2. When you crash at higher speeds! Swim instantly for your board/Rig straight away.
Particularly as you start to get tired. There is nothing worse than a disappearing down wind rig when your too knackered to catch it!!!!
3. Enjoy it! Smile & laugh at how crazy we are doing what we do & remind yourself you’re now a hard core windsurfer who’s improving by the hour.
4. Quit while you still have energy to get back to the beach. Go have a big dinner & a couple of pints of Guinness (or whatever their equivalent is) & plan to go again tomorrow! 👍
Amazing reply, thanks!
Love your comments, full of experience and love!
Could u give some tips.about gybing in choppy water?
Yes Guinness is the best after!😊
Windsurfing has such an amazing community, love you guys
You know nothing good gonna happen when u see a windsurfer in Tarifa with +40 knots and wearing gloves. Small tip if u want it: if the weather is not like an arctic day, don't use gloves, as they will overstress your arms and you will run out of strength rather quickly.
I hope u enjoyed it! Cheers
You may try water start in the straps with this condition. From water start to planning in 2 seconds🙂
Excellent video to show the struggles of learning. You are not alone.
Great effort dude! Most people don't realise how difficult windsurfing can be as compared to other watersports! 👍
If you are not good enough in these conditions stay safe at the beach. . Toooooooo far out.....
Wind blows to the bank so there is No danger
this takes me back to many scary learning moments like this! one occasion in the middle of the Solent shipping lane in a serious rip and large troughs i lost nearly all my energy to get back up when the wind picked up and badly overpowered me ripping the sail out of my hands almost instantly numerous times, i remember thinking after many attempts that this next one was my last try as i simply didn't have the energy to keep trying, fortunately, i managed to hang on for dear life that final attempt and make it back to shore, i was lucky to get back in.
Wild day. We can see your board being pushed downwind even with the rail buried. I am exhausted watching this. Seeing the mast flood and the sail blown away reminds me of some of my tougher days. I haven't sailed in an age but your video brings back the harder days. Your commitment to keep trying is great! Well done even if it was a tough day.
For me, I’d ditch the gloves. Quickest way to sap your hand and arm strength, and you can’t really feel what the sail is telling you with gloves on. I spent a couple of days in Maui with gloves years ago, and they only gave me blisters. Once my hands recovered, no gloves, MUCH better
thats it.. gloves are not for windsurf, ... and the boom of the video is too wide, not able to close well the hands, so there is no efficiency at all... ; with a thinner boom, and without gloves, this windsurfer would have a very nice day..
When wind is too hard, I also use to fit into the arnes lines and foot into the straps before waterstart, so the sail doesn't blow out and to be more difficult to be catapulted, and so, I don't lose so much energy trying to swim to put the sail again in waterstart position... this is my survival technic with wild winds...
Experience is all in windsurf...
Lol
Excellent video!! using every part of your body, waterstarting saps energy- been there. Real windsurfing! Great stuff
Impressed that you didn’t give up and head straight for the beach!
Not aggressive enough. If the wind is blowing really hard, just pick up the sail a little, put your feet in the straps, lean back (not to the back of the board, out over the side) and start sailing (before you get out of the water). The gauge: If the sail is ripped out of your hands, you are not being aggressive enough. If you are going over the handlebars, you are doing it right, just lean back more.
wow... the sail getting up and down, several times, during the waterstart.. swimming to the board, begging it for not flying away. I felt all the fear and stress i used to feel in this kind of situation watching your video!!
as said below : the smaller the sail is the more nervous is. small sail (below 4) are very wayward. i never got smaller than 4.2. i weight 75 kg.
one more tip, i notice that the 3 fins configuration is harder to waterstar because you have to go downwind to get stability, and downwind waterstar means full power in the sail. i'd rather get one fin 28cm and 85L board volume.
well down, anyway, windsurfing is the best! we all love the purest, and highest feeling of windsurfing.
Speed, the faster you go the easier is to handle the board. The same for the waterstart, fast. Reach the maximum speed fast, broader reach! Is a bit scary at the begining but trust me.
I think your hint is good for all boardsports(and many other sports).
Speed is the key…off course, keeping all the good technic.
Great effort dude. I had an opposite but similar situation when zero wind came along and I was out with an 8mtr sail. The bad part was that I'd forgotten to install the up-haul! 🤦♂ I'd already been sailing out and back to the beach for at least half an hour when the wind dropped. It was evening, so I'd kind of hurried to rig up, then carry everything accross the roa and down to the water. I just couldn't get the sail up and had to roll it up and lay the rig on the longboard (Mistral Competition SST), then swim the whloe lot back to the beach. We have a cross-tide and I ended up 1/2 a mile from my car! Never forgot the up-haul after that!
I would just sail in to the beach and do the walk of shame :-)
Exactly. Much better than the drowning of shame.
I know this hell! Thanks for sharing!
I've been in a same situation like yours, recently. Less wind (but still strong) with bigger board, bigger fin and bigger sail. Your video is amazing because I can see the same struggle I've been into and I can check now how to improve (and off course taking into account the valuable comments posted here). In my case I had no glooves but I was wearing neoprene shoes (to prevent cuts on my foots due to underwater rocks), I was having lots of cramps in my legs, I had problems controlling/steering the board between the heavy chop and I had lots of problems doing tacks and jibes. I returned to shore just be leave the neoprene shoes and everything went better since - more feedback of the board in my feet (more reaction/control, better jibes, better tacks) and no more cramps. From now I'll be on bare foot whenever possible.
El windsurf es el deporte más difícil del mundo,el que requiere de más paciencia y tiempo y desde luego no es apto para cobardes.Enhorabuena,esto es puro windsurf también.
Condivido ❤
The Gorge in Hood River Oregon reaches wind speeds of 60+ mph. Locals shred in this. Out of towners struggle. Get your feet in the straps in the water in that high wind, keep the mast into the wind and low, when ready pop up. We used to train many years ago in this type of wind. Everything happens a lot faster. Jibing becomes pretty fast!!
Chapeau for posting your struggle. Very confronting but o so true. Hard work makes you better in the end🙃😇
Mast forward, Boom higher, backfoot into the strap before Waterstart, knee bent, raise the sail slowly and apply pressure onto the mast to prevent board from flipping, then once up, rather than stepping into the back, use the strap to pull the board forward and gain speed for stability.
Cheers!
I have been in same situation multiple times. Very hard and exhausting with sail to big at these conditions. Less control in status overpowered! I would have changed to smaller sail earlier.
Didn't know spiderman was learning to windsurf
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😂😂😂
Funny one lol
If the wind suddenly becomes too powerful, move those harnesslines forward a bit and your hands towards the mast as well. You’ll be less overpowered and will be able to handle the gusts better
My experience is the opposite, move harness lines and hands back when overpowered or else the front of the sail/mast area become unmanageable
I'd advise going the other way too. Lines further back will help prevent sheeting out in the gusts. You must stay sheeted in, the moment the pressure comes off the mastfoot, the nose will come up and you're in trouble.
How about the boom height, could it be higher?
@@SailingWhyknot Yes! You are much faster when your boom is like 5cm higher!
You should also lower the boom...
Great video. The realities of fighting with the wind.
I struggle in 22+ knots, never mind 45 knots.
Tarifa is awesome! Remember snapping a fin off about a mile out. Had to strap my harness to the back footstrap. My arms are still a foot longer!
Can't tell if this is appropriate advise, but mastfoot pressure is the key. Keep the nose pinned down by staying sheeted in, and accelerate on a broad reach. This will reduce the apparent wind and stop the sail overpowering. Never sheet out, that's when bad things happen!
Ha-ha-ha! I've lost my fin in 2 kilometers from the beach in Cabarete last year, and I haven't known about this lifehack (with harness) before, so I've tried to asked help by hand moving, tried to move (but it's no chance to move to the beach without fin ), and after 40 minutes waited for meeting with shore break on the beach at several kilometers from the windsurf school, but I saw the beachboy from the school who went to rescue me on the tandem windsurf, and it was a cool experience!
Thanks a lot, good advice, I hope I can try this next time in Tarifa (maybe next year, who knows).
congrats. Regardless of your level before, you are better now from it. I found these so scary but they are milestones too! Good luck and keep pushing. It is worth it!
oh yeah! it had been the biggest jump to push of my level up! )
Great effort Vlad. You used up a massive amount of energy there, I suspect you must be quite fit. It can be pretty scary in those conditions, but you kept at it. Well done! Top tip - the uphaul is no possible use in those conditions and can only get in the way, as you found with it catching on the footstraps - don't rig it when you're using the small kit.
one man nightmare is anothers man paradise, a question of skills i think....but do not worry we have all been thru this is a part of the learning process...on top of this wearing gloves does not helps it overloads your arms very fast
Boom higher, track a bit forward to compensate AND sheet in!
Good effort. If tou are overpowered like this i recommend waterstarting with your feet in your straps that way tou dont get pulled over the board as your body is heavy. And with the straps you have better leaverage. Done this technique multiple times and it does work
Creo que a la mayoría de windsurfistas nos ha pasado algo parecido. La lección final que es muy importante es saber nuestros límites.
For sure, windsurfing can humble you. It looks to me like a couple of things need to be happening too help you. First off you need to learn to water start straight into the foot straps and harness. This will help you keep the power contained as you get out of the water. I remember going to Sotavento the first time and it was similarly 40 knots plus constant wind, which I had never experienced before. Water starting was very hard till I worked out getting up in the harness first, then harness and straps. Also the stance you seem to have appears very upright for the amount of wind, this may be exacerbated by the board type you have, I can't really tell in the shots, but it look like the straps are quite close to the mast and really on top of the deck of the board, maybe this is what passes for wave kit these days. I haven't sailed for some time and tended to use slalom type kit, which is a little different and promotes a lower more raked back stance, with your feet on the rails to drive speed and acceleration. But again, an upright stance will be very difficult in choppy high wind conditions. It's all about getting the power on and getting going as fast as the wind to help ease the pressure when gusts hit. By the time I had sailed a few hours at Sotavento my broad reaches were really comfortable even in 40 knots plus wind. The water there is somewhat flatter close to shore which helps understand that point about how speed helps. But the principal is the same no matter the surface conditions.
when waterstarting, lift and handle your sail from the upper part of the mast. That will save you a lot of energy. Grab the boom with both hands only when you are ready to step on the board
30 a 40 nudos por lo menos , que lugar tan espectacular . Te felicito ...
Takes me back. I can feel your frustration. But hang in there. Hook in, straps in, sheet in and rip!
We‘ve all been there brother🤙🏻
Very well done!
As others have said, when it’s this windy you need to learn to get the feet in the straps as you rise up out of the water, and also hook in as you come up, not afterwards. That way you are up and planing almost straight away, so will have less pull in the sail and more stability. Once you have learned how to do this, you will use a lot less energy getting up and planing.
Water start straight into straps when it’s nuking, stay low, loads of mast foot pressure to bear away, job done.
It ´ s me 30 years ago , at the very same spot ! Tariiiifa
Thank you! That‘s not Hero-Stuff. It‘s a Doc of real Surfer-Life, that we Surfer all well know!!!!
Exactly how I felt 25 years ago in Tarifa. Going out is really difficult because your board only wants to jump! Had some incredible days back then with 7-8 BFT levante!
Impresionante mucha paciencia, me gusto mucho tu video estoy aprendiendo a windsurfear, he aprendido que no tengo usar tabla chica jajaja, sigo en el rio. cuando tenga mas experiencia voy al mar. Nuevo seguidor
Suggest you try different conditions, river, lagoon, lake, sea.
Bin there bloody exhausting!
Funny how the cameras being higher makes it look so much easier than the nightmare it is
Remember sailing that beach in 1984. Was blowing a gale so rigged a 4.7 and couldn't get powered up. Wind was so dry there was just no strength in it, far different from the North Sea.
Good gosh. Lots of messing with equipment in that sport. I would tire too easily with this contraption...but it is breathtaking when done at the extreme level
Always put your rear foot in the foot strap to stop catapults
Плюсую тебя за труды, а так по факту: сдвинь переднюю петельку трап/петли ближе к задней, у тебя расколбас из-за этого, то в привод тянет, то на бакштаг, с ногами не мешкай, мачтовую сразу после старта в лапу, чуть увал на бакштаг и сразу заднюю в лапу, в коленях расслабь ноги и всё будет 🤙🤙🤙. По стартшкоту ниже 7² не использую, даже если резко тухляк наступит - гавайский старт в помощь
спасибо )
там действительно скилов было маловато для таких условий, впервые катался на 76 л (при 95 кг веса)
уже больше 4-х лет прошло, наверное кое-чему научился )
очень хочется вернуться и попробовать вновь этот нереально крутой спот!
@@bcsv77 сам имею вес 90кг, обожаю вэйвовые доски, просто кайф, особенно ниже 90 литров, как в кроссовках себя ощущаю, самая маленькая на которой выкатывал была 72 литра, witchcraft, да еще и флекс тэйл
Как то в конце февраля катал, как то быстро забил руки, а тут они еще и замерзли вхлам. Рукавиц тогда не было. Пальц не держали ни стартшкот, ни гик. А ветерок на 5,5 кв. Хорошо, доска была более менее плавучая, как то забрался, локтями зажал гик, дочапал до берега, остро к ветру. Сил, чтобы развернуться, выйти на глисс, набрать высоту не было.
haha yes Tarifa, can be very spooky there. For very windy waterstarts in tarifa: 1 first put your feet in the straps. 2 hoop up in your trapeze (dont know how to say this in english) 3 breath. 4 waterstart down the wave. 5 go up wind immediately. 6 its shit in tarifa sometimes haha
That’s what happens every time i go windsurfing. More time in the water than on the board. How much did you have to walk up?
The wishbone is too low IMHO. . It makes more surface on the upper part of the sail and harder to control. It's an easy trick you can do in the water...
Super !💪👍
Good! I know this feeling. I’m not a novice or an expert. Sometimes, this is windsurfing.
Puedo ver a un navegante sin energía desde el comienzo del vídeo, un día ya sabemos cuándo es mejor jugar beach volei
that looks fun 😅
Слова "сука" сквозь зубы выдают соотечественника😂
Falling in wavy overpowered conditions then waterstarting sucks if you are a beginner. I've been in that position many times. I would finally try uphauling if all my energy failed. I can understand that panicked out-of-breath feeling.
Hi Vlad. what are you using as a camera? I find the image and the angle very good.
(sorry for the hassle but we've all been there one day 😬)
Oh, it was just GoPro 3rd-series. On the last day I've killed it by the hit to the water on a huge gust ))
For nowadays I would recommend at least 9-series, because stabilization is really amazing!
@@bcsv77 Oh ok ! thank you. I also have a GoPro 3 series but I haven't done any sessions on the water with it. I'm going to test an Insta360 on the water. I found the angle and the stabilization very good and I am surprised for a model 3. thank you for your answer 🤙🏼
important to push the board around , nose first ...And Not the sail - pushing sail around is extremely tiring
thus getting sail luff out the water with boards bouancy ......
Problem is that if you want to learn, you need a Windsurfer Standard- the one with the daggerboard.
That’s how I did it and look at me today…
Suddenly sharky😮
Wow dude crazy...
I would recommend a Windsurf school 😉 First action: Go to the top of the mast not to the board.
👍👍👍
ditch the gloves unless freezing . nice bit of speed at 11.20. practice and learn. well done!
That looks like a normal day of surfing to me i should probably use a smaller sail too. Nahhhh… it will be fine
hadn't sailed fr years..and had same frustration...same issues. that could hv been me
And you still didn't try the air to feel the levante .... Just Do It, you are on the way
Gloves for what? 🤷🏻♂️Relax your breath, feel the wind on the sail. Keep going dude hours on water is the answer
SOU DO BRASIL AONDE VC COMPRA ESSA PRANCHA COMPLETA COM A VELA PARABENS
Waterstart knowledge is important.
Cual es la mejor epoca del año para ir a Tarifa ? olas y viento fuerte pero agua no muy fria , Geacias
I think the best time on August
@@bcsv77 muchas gracias
We’ve all been there
Yikes! A lot going on there, hard to tell, I think you were just in over your head. Overpowered? Not liking the underhand grip on your forward hand if you are overpowered, good job staying at it though! And, ditch the gloves.
Non ne ha chiuso una di strambata!
A talented man in hell
Think I'll stick with Portland Harbour and more moderate conditions..but then in age terms I'm a bit late to the party.
Windsurfing in choppy water is harder in flat ...i do struggle in such conditions too...freestyle skills should be improved and boom should be higher
Practice water starts in the places you can stand up then get going on deep, tacking would save you simming too
So been there tired now eh?
С водным стартом всё печально))
да ладно! было б печально, не было бы и этого видео, и этого комментария ))
напомню, вес 95 кг, доска 76 литров, парус 3.0, ветер то 25 то 45 узлов - есть опыт чего-то подобного? )
такие погодные кондиции очень сильно отличаются от нормального виндсерфинга, например закрыть парус 3.4 на порывах мне уже было нереально - сильный передоз, и в то же время тонешь и приводишься в провалах.
в тот день на воду осмелилось выйти человека 4 или 5, (хотя все оборудование на ION было забронировано) одному из них мачтой расшибло голову уже в прибое
for me to small 😉
keep trying.
На 3.0 парус стартшкот . Зачем ?
все вопросы к ION ))
наверное используют для обучения в слабый ветер, если такой бывает в Тарифе )
Seems to me you are going off shore as you better manage this waterstart direction, dangerous! Your rear foot should be locked in the strap whlle lifting
Oh boy, lower your posture and put a pressure to the mast leg, push it forward.
Please next time tray to stay more close to the mast when the Wind i too strong, put first the foot nearest at the mast and After the other one, don’t take too much Wind, stay more upwind with the mast.
Conditions for pwa - pros not for amateurs. This can end unlucky.
Какой силы был ветер?
30-45 узлов
@@bcsv77 Это метров 15-20 в секунду? Судя по снаряге ты не новичок. Видимо из сил выбился. Самое хреновое когда снаряга улетает и сил уже нет. Я еще так не катаю как ты. У меня самая маленькая доска 110 литров.
Gloves takes your power of your hands… the wind was not strong- You had no power dude!
Ногами надо было задавить , привестись открениться нормально и доска бы пошла легко и быстро.
Know your limitations 😮
You will get there keep at it and gooooo
Go port bud
Man, it is a waste of time this experience. Next time go to the beach and add more tension to the mast and to the boom. It is always possible to add more tension. You can see other people kiting. 3m2 is fine even for a small guy. Also I can garantee you will never need closed gloves in Tarifa. I you feel more comfortable with gloves, buy a pair with open palms, it is worth the small inversion.
Goin out too far and not havin a very loose rear-hand
This guy shouldn't be out there yet,
Wrong board, better use one a bit wider, keep fighting!