The Washington Senators were officially the Nationals from 1905 to 1955, but people called them the Senators anyway. Additionally, several viewers have pointed out that it's Jack Buck making the call at 8:10, not Dick Enberg.
Officially, that's true. Most fans called them the Senators throughout that entire time period, which is why you're getting pushback on that point. With the exception of 1905, the uniforms just said "W".
Enberg did call the 1982 World Series for NBC, but this video used the local St. Louis radio broadcast, called by Buck. NBC told Enberg that he would become their main baseball play by play man beginning with that World Series, but then they turned around and signed Vin Scully. Can't argue with the move, but the execution was bad, kind of a precursor to what they did with Leno-Letterman-O'Brien.
Your videos are very well done. Would you please do one on the history of the Washington Senators, including the fact that they used more than one nickname?
Another thing about the Hank Aaron 715th home run: Aaron received a lot of death threats leading up to his breaking of Ruth's record. He later remarked that when he was rounding the bases, he thought the two fans that were congratulating him were about to kill him. Yikes.
Fun fact: The Mariners current playoff drought is even longer than the one that started their franchise history, which is even more impressive because more teams make the playoffs now.
The NY Mets fans tore up that field in 1986. I remember the repairs they had to do after. Mostly giant chunks of the grass had to be replaced because people took them as “souvenirs”. I saw a lot of Mets games in 85 and 86 as a kid. Great years.
i used to go to met games back then on clergy passes. me and my friend would trade off between who was clergy and who was wayward youth. i have to imagine that people figured out that we were fake, but nobody ever said anything, outside of sometimes a sarcastic "enjoy the game, rabbi" with the particular sarcasm on "rabbi"
The Met fans rushed the field in 1969 and 1973 and destroyed it as well. My friends brought home pieces of Shea sod and planted it in their front yards where it grew for years. The fans rushed the field when they clinched the Division in 1986 vs. the Cubs. However, the police lined the field with horses at the World Series and there wasn't as much destruction.
@@edwardcricchio6106 Exactly. The Mets and the city decided after the division-clinching that it wasn't going to happen again, and when they won the WS a month later the fans (wisely) decided not to test the tolerance of a field full of huge police horses. I think other franchises learned a lot from the contrast between the two celebrations just a month apart and what made the difference. When the Yankees won the WS in '96 the police horses were used again and again no one went on the field.
@@Greg-jw2gb there was a huge difference between '69 and '73 celebrations. The 3 in '69 were like a love fest, a Woodstock, if you would. The one in '73 had a certain mean and destructive steak to it. I think the younger fans who had watched their older brothers in '69 decided to be a little angrier in their celebration. I was there for the first 2 playoff games in '73 so I missed going out on the field after third game. I was there for '86 & '88 Division clinchers as well. '86 didn't go on field, '88 nobody went out on the field.
Not only did they storm the field at Griffith Stadium in 1924 - according to baseball writer Shirley Povich who was there - they stayed in the stadium all night.
When I was growing up we went to the original Yankee Stadium. After every game, the fans were allowed onto the field after the players went to the dugouts. A ring of skycaps kept you off the infield, but otherwise we were free to walk around, look up at the stands the way the ballplayers do, and then exit through the centerfield gates onto the street. I'm not sure when this practice ended, maybe the late sixties, but I miss those days. Does anyone remember "Camera Day" and "Banner Day" at Shea when fans were allowed on the field in between games of a double header to take pictures of the players or display their banners?
I was at that mariners game and I distinctly remember seeing a couple fans being tackled after they swarmed the field. I never even realized that was the last time that’s happened.
Actually, Senators was a secondary nickname. They were known interchangeably as the Nationals and Senators throughout the 20th century-Nats for short, being an abbreviation of either name.
@@timelymirror7826 actually you're wrong, but I can see why you'd think that. The Nationals came from the Montreal Expos. The senators became the Minnesota Twins
I remember watching the last inning of the 1980 Royals-Phillies series in Philadelphia. With two outs in the ninth you could see the police with the German Shepards in the background. Philly cops don't play.
For comparison, the UK saw a similar timeline in cricket and rugby. Crowd invasions after a game was very much the norm and saw identical scenes with players hurrying off the field, flanked by security and police present. From the 2000s, it is exactly the same and other than the lone figures invading the field, the masses storming the field in those sports are a thing of the past. Football however is a very different matter. Crowd invasions still occur and until recently, it seemed to be a tradition for a home team to invade the pitch en masse for the final game of the season. Some unsavoury incidents involving players and staff being attacked or harassed by fans from the season that ended earlier in the year appears to now be a turning point. we could be witnessing a cultural change occurring there for this season and beyond.
Yeah two incidents stand out from May this year. Billy Sharp getting headbutted by a Nottingham Forest fan (who was jailed for 24 weeks) after a playoff victory and crowd invasion czcams.com/video/9wveCWKYJ84/video.html The other was when Everton avoided relegation and the Crystal Palace manager Patrick Viera reacted to an Everton fan goading him on the field. The police didn't pursue it any further: czcams.com/video/sKbDwZj7TOg/video.html
If you're not good enough to be a player who earned their way on the field, an official, a coaching or training staff member, or official media you need to stay the hell off the play surface at all times. You paid a ticket to watch from the stands/seats. Not be on the field. People are too deranged and entitled to have any other policy towards it.
Glad you mentioned Disco Demolition night. The southside still remembers it, for better or worse. It's still pretty unique in the context of stadiums, because the security there is heavier than most. Bags do get checked. You have to finish *any* drink - alcohol or not - before you enter the stadium. I have seen someone try and smuggle a bloody mary in a gatorade bottle. You can't throw baseballs back onto the field, which is the difference between Wrigley or Yankee stadium, and Comiskey. I also recently saw someone get pulled from the stands by security for harassing Javy Baez during his AB. It's all stuff that tells you that the night the field got blown up still isn't gone from memory. I have seen countless people go in there and do these things, and then wonder why you can't. It's because some people only know that place *for* that particular night, and no way are they going to let anybody try it again.
I was 10 when Maz hit that walk off homer in the 1960 WS. I ran home from school in time to see him hit it. The city did go wild. A memory i will never forget. By the way that was not Dick Enberg when the Cards won.
Your comment about fans not stealing gloves during the Merkle incident made me wonder something. Up until shortly after World War II, it was common practice for fielders to leave their gloves on the field when they went back to the dugout to take their turn at bat. There are many amusing stories about opposing fielders sabotaging their opponent's gloves. But in a case like this, fans rushing the field wouldn't try to steal gloves from players, but what would have prevented them from picking an abandoned glove off of the ground? Also, why this practice started in the first place and how it ended might make a nice research project for a future video. I appreciate the good work you put into these.
@@Bob31415 Ikr. It's true, though. If you ever watched Eight Men Out, there's a scene where Charlie Sheen catches a fly ball, then casually flips his glove off to the ground. They actually did that.
@@big8dog887 That's nuts. Were people dumber back then? I always thought they were more intelligent. So did the two teams share the gloves? And if so, what if they weren't the same hand (left handed, right handed)?
Remember the times fans ran on to the field during the Senators last game in Washington DC before moving to Arlington, Texas, the Ten Cent Beer Night fiasco, and the Disco Demolition Night fiasco?
The Detroit Tigers' 1984 World Series celebration was historically bad, both inside and outside the stadium. It brought a lot of negative attention nationally to the city and was important in bringing change. Also I remember a lot of series clinching games where they had police completely line the perimeter of the field in the 9th inning and even brought in mounted horses. Wade Boggs famously rode on the back of one of the horses after the Yanks won it all in '96. I was disappointed you didn't show that.
I grew up a Tigers fan in Michigan, and given Detroit's reputation in the national media, I fully expected the 1984 celebration at Tiger Stadium to be given here as the main reason for why fans don't rush the field anymore. Maybe it wasn't mentioned because the video covered only on field "celebrations" and the most recognizable image of the Detroit "celebration," Bubba Helms and the burning police car, took place outside the stadium. Still, I agree that 1984 Detroit had a significant role in why celebrations have changed.
When the Mets won the NL east in 1986, the field was covered with fans ripping up the dirt and the turf. When the Mets clinched the series that year, the police, on horseback, prevented the crowd from charging onto the field. From then on, it changed the way teams celebrated the series.
First time I ever saw the fans not rush the field was the 1980 World Series in Philly. Philly cops had mounted police on the field in the 9th inning, literally in the field of play. It was awesome.
The narrator almost lost me on the first sentence. In 1924 the Washington team was the Senators, not the Nationals. The Nationals played in (and won) their first World Series in 2019. That left the Seattle (WA) Mariners as the only team that has never been to a World Series. The old joke about the Senators was First in War, First in Peace, Last in the American League. I was there when the Mets clinched the division title in '86. People tore up the field, the Mets nearly had to forfeit the game the next day. I haven't seen it happen as much since then. Just a few weeks later, when the Mets won the World Series, the celebration was much more civilized.
I agree that was a surprising basic mistake. That said, the rest of his presentation was awesome, so good we didn't check out based on that early error.
To be fair the original Senators were officially called the Nationals from 1905-1955 (it’s because of this that I call the current Nationals the Senators lol) so this video creator isn’t wrong.
Ewwwww ... heaven help us if the narrator makes a mistake. Who gives a shit? Gesh, life must be tough if such a minute thing sets you off. More disturbing than the mistake
We got to get on the Astrodome field after the Astros clinched the playoffs in 1997. So that was a couple years after the Mariners. It was the first time the Astros had made to the playoffs since 1986, which seems like forever at the time. The Astros owner allowed it and the players even came back onto the field after a while to help celebrate. It was a magical time
im a freshman in high school. in 7th grade, in gym, we were wrapping up our team handball unit. my team didnt make the finals, but i proposed the idea to the others of storming the court if the team we were rooting for won. (also, in the semifinals, which happened the same day, we stormed the court on 1 side after the same team won, however it didnt happen on the other side.) however in the finals, the team we were rooting for won. we all erupted in celebration and flooded the court. it didnt mean anything, but its crazy how 1 person's idea can spread to a bunch of other people. in short, it was kinda nice to see 50-60 12-13 year olds just pour out onto the court, knowing that this was my idea.
Baseball Doesn't Exist did a pretty good video on the Disco Demolition Night riot, and it's actual impact (or apparent impact) on baseball and disco as a music genre. It's worth checking out as a terrifying moment in history.
I was at the 95 Mariner one game playoff. I was in left field about 15 rows back. It was so loud in the Kingdome that you could not hear the fireworks or the public address announcer. Just before the end of the game a few security guards came out into foul territory. We thought oh well no rushing the field for us. When the game ended we watched the first guy jump from the stands right on the foul line in left field. He was promptly tackled so hard that even Ray Lewis would have been proud. Several more got onto the field and were also subdued, but once the few police/security personnel were busy it was obvious that we could get on the field without harassment. We never got to the players as they quickly headed into the locker room. However due to no one leaving the field a few of the players and Lou Pinella came back onto the field and thanked all the fans for a few minutes and then left again. We were then ushered out through the left field wall and out of the stadium. Good Times!
If you watch the end of Game 7 of the 1988 Finals between the Lakers and Pistons, it was bananas. It was a one-possession game, but the entire Laker team and a bunch of fans were on the court before the clock even expired. The Pistons would have needed a miracle to tie the game with a 3, but they weren't even able to attempt one as a result of the chaos.
Absolutely great video! I'd be really interested in seeing your take on the history of marijuana and baseball, particularly in the early days of the sport.
I was at Shea the last time it happened there. It was the regular season game when they clinched the pennant in '86, against the Cubs. We didn't go on the field but a bunch of folks did. I think.
In 1986 the Mets fans couldn’t rush the field at Shea Stadium after Game 7 of the World Series as during the bottom of the 8th 2 police officers were placed at the edge of the field in the stands for every section. They even had police on horseback in the bullpen that rushed out after the final out. It was funny, the mounted police were announced prior to the top of the ninth and paraded from the left field bullpen to the right field bullpen …going around home plate. The show of force worked.
VISITING fans rushed the field when the SF Giants clinched the NL West in 1987 at Jack Murphy Stadium in San Diego. Fans can be seen breaking the front rail of the stands next to the Giants dugout.
Fun fact: The Rangers catcher during 10 cent beer night in Cleveland was Mike Hargrove, the same man who 20 years later would lead Cleveland to multiple AL Central division championships and 2 World Series appearances.
This video made me realize something personal and somewhat unrelated. I grew up a huge Yankee fan and loved the game. I loved the chess matches within the game. I would watch probably at least 100-130 games per year. Since the old stadium closed, my love for the game slowly faded to almost nothing. I’ve probably watched a few innings this whole season. And it just made me realize how much the environment really does shape the game. I’ve been to the new stadium, and it’s a remarkable structure, no doubt. There is plenty of space for an adequate amount of bathrooms and vendors. The seating is nicer. The graffiti is far less. And it’s just not the same vibe. The old stadium was small, dirty, kinda smelled like piss, but it was also insanely loud, the confined space feeling like a powder keg, especially October, and the field dimensions, while still on the smaller side of average, played pretty fair outside of the roughly 50-75 feet from the right field foul pole towards right-center where the cheap HRs went away. There were these mythical targets, like the facade, the BoA and Utz signs, row counting the upper deck, the batters eye, and the alley way in right center where it looked like someone might be able to sneak one out of the stadium if they got it at just the right angle. (They say Josh Gibson got one out over the third deck, which could be true or legend, and that Bernie almost got one through the alley in batting practice. What we know for sure is that Mantle hit the facade and Josh Hamilton put on a show.) I’m not nostalgic for much, not romantic about much, but to hear that roar, to hear the fan who obnoxiously banged his ring on the railing, to feel like the rows of seats went more vertical than horizontal, as if they were perch above the field rather than pushed away from it, those things made the game for me. I’ll still watch the playoffs, especially if the Yankees are in, but I truly do miss the days of the unique ballparks, and in that respect, even envy Red Sox and Cubs fans to some degree. As attendance falls, hopefully the next generation of stadiums will reflect the wants of the fans still passionate enough to come out, who don’t want all the frills and just want to be able to afford a day at the ballpark and feel close to the action. I don’t want to sound like a curmudgeon. It’s still a beautiful game. I just think it could stand to reflect on some things that may have gone overlooked when the profit margins exploded in the early 2000’s. Maybe I just miss the low frequency vibrations seeing Mo get strike 3 to close out a W.
@@Monkerey thank you. I’m in my 40s, so reasonably old, but not going crazy far back. I would just describe it as there being a very blue collar element to the stadium, and by extension, the team. It’s very corporate now, very polished, but also probably more fitting of the present in a way. Not necessarily a bad thing. Just different. But yeah it was cool. The 1996 World Series highlights and the dramatic wins in 2001 WS probably highlight some of the high points. Oh and Boone in the 2003 ALCS. It was a lot fun
Rushing the field or invading the pitch as come back into vogue in English football over the last 10 years or so. I have been involved in a few myself. But for the most part they have been joyous occasions without any major incidents (the hooliganism of the 70s and 80s are long gone and where it does happen, it is mostly in secluded areas prematch a distance away from the stadium. Organised between the hooligan gangs or “firms” themselves) but there were a few occasions last season were some fans tried ruining it for the majority of fans by attacking rival players and managers after pitch invasions. I hope these incidents are few and far between. Because it’s an amazing experience to celebrate your team’s achievements on the pitch and makes the fans feel a part of the community.
@@DonQwantsyou Of course, I have tried to put everything about that game (on and off the pitch) out of my mind. That must be why I forgot all about it?
Two factors are the huge amount of protective netting seemingly from foul pole to foul pole. Then you have the phenomena of really tall outfield fences in many parks. Sure, some drunks and daredevils will make the 15-foot leap down onto the field but a lot of folks wouldn't try. I know I wouldn't. Thanks for the thought-provoking item.
Some part of me still wishes that fans could run around the field when there team wins the world series at home but the measures put in place make sense. I still hate that it cost an arm and a leg to get decent tickets to a yankee game
One game I'd like to add that helped change the tide - the White Sox clinching the Western Division in 1983. It had been a million years since any Chicago baseball team won anything (okay, 24 years, but it felt like...) and the city went wild over the Sox. On the night they clinched, the ushers/police cordoned off the entire infield for the team to celebrate and left the outfield for the fans to go crazy in. If you see the videos of the event it appeared to have worked quite well.
In 1984, the fans tore up the turf at Tiger Stadium twice: after the ALCS, and after the final game of the WS. By 1987, they had the Detroit Police’s mounted division out on the field at the end of the pennant clincher. My uncle was in the mounted division then, and was on horseback there. You can see fans scrambling back to the stands in some videos, being chased by cops on horses.
Very informative video. Nice job. That being said, 8:09 is inexcusable. That’s not Dick Enberg (on NBC TV) that’s Jack Buck (on the Cardinals radio station).
@@DerekDominoes Only someone who says “zero” instead of “nothing” when saying the score of a game would confuse the two.😄 I’ll bet you he really has no idea who either of them are, and he read that Dick Enberg was part of the NBC team covering the 82 World Series, and just assumed that whatever call he dug up had to be Dick Enberg. He’s gotta be better than that though, if he’s gonna to be making videos for long-time baseball fans. I think that Enberg’s and Buck’s reactions to this would be as follows: Enberg: OH MY!!! Buck: I DON’T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW!!! 😊
I've never Uploaded anything to CZcams so I don't know how it works, but is it possible for you to turn up the volume on the videos you create? I have hearing problems and my earbuds fell into the toilet the other week so I'm using my Bluetooth speaker to listen to the lectures. Thank you. And keep up the good work!
How much of a factor does protective netting play in this? Wasn't it not common to have it behind the dugouts until the 90's? Maybe that deters it just enough in those spots nearest the action that nobody sitting further out or along the outfield wall would think to be the first on the field
Back in the 90’s at Busch Stadium I saw an old lady get put in a coma because of a foul ball. She was sitting in the green seats and her seat was off center from home plate and she got plunked in the side of the head with blood everywhere. Back them there was only netting directly behind home plate and it was quite dangerous to even be sitting slightly to the left or right of home plate, let alone down line. After seeing that shit as a kid, I’ll take the netting all day.
I think the netting sucks! Not for me, an adult, but for little kids trying to get autographs of their favorite players. They should find a way to lower the nets until game time. Plus, if you’re on the phone and not watching the game and you get hit by a baseball, it’s your own damn fault.
That didn't sound ANYTHING like Enberg-even distorted by time or playback speed. Having said that, I used to work for 2 major sports venues in the DFW area. I did event security at the arena and although I was just an usher at the baseball stadium, I was still assigned to do bag checks once in a while. It was AMAZING at what the fans tried to bring in (and then they'd lie - "Well, I brought it in last time"). As time went on we went from 'wanding' the guests. then having them walk through a metal detector and doing a hand search of their bags. To eventually putting their bags through an xray machine. During that time bag policy changed from guests being allowed only one bag and it to be clear to NO bags EXCEPT diaper bags. At the end of major events, most of the event security force was sent down to the field/court/ice. At the ballpark, us ushers were also used. We would stand and face the crowd and try to look menacing. No one tried to get on the field.
Thanks for sharing. I remember finding liquor bottles in the toilet stalls of Dodger Stadium back in the late 1980s. That's uncommon nowadays because ushers do such thorough bag checks.
Great video. Any chance of a followup tracing the rise and fall of overflow crowds being allowed to sit on the field during the game itself? Many of the pre-multisport ballparks drew their biggest crowds when fans were roped off and stood behind the outfielders or just outside the foul lines. Last time I think this happened was in Griffith Stadium on Memorial Day in 1949, but there might have been other times later.
@@thebaseballprofessor Glad you like the idea. One place to start might be Frankie Frisch's memoir, The Fordham Flash, pp. 122-123, where he gives a long and loving description of a July 12, 1931 doubleheader against the Cubs at Sportsman's Park, where the crowd of 47,715 included well over 10,000 overflows who swarmed all over the field before and during the game, resulting in (among other things) over two dozen ground rule doubles that got swallowed up by the crowds in the outfield. And that's barely scratching the surface. I've got many hundreds of baseball books, and those two pages may be the most entertaining passages to be found in any of them.
Also I think once Monica Seles was attacked, the notion of allowing anyone to threaten the athletes was a non starter. I’ve also reflected on how post championship riots and property damage seems to have gone away presumably in the era where everyone has a cell phone
The Washington Nationals didn’t exist until 2005. The franchise wasn’t even around until the 1960s as the Montreal Expos. It was the Washington Senators that were in the World Series in 1924.
I wonder if part of the “decorum” as you put it is that in the 1920s enough people remembered what it was like when crowds were allowed to get out of control and understood that the whole point of the NL and AL was to get away from that, but as generations changed and the collective memory faded and the money increased people abandoned that culture until they were forced to institute a new set of rules of decorum
Keeping the fans off the field is so much better for television. Now we all get to see trophy presented to the winning team and we see the players being interviewed.
Fact fact: A young Scott Ian of Anthrax was at game 6 of the 1977 WS, he didn't storm the field cause he was scared of the cops beating fans but I wonder if that influenced the later heavy metal shows lol
Also nowadays, they have high res security cams everywhere, so it's easier to identify people who act up. And then, those who do get caught doing something bad often get a heavy handed punishment, like being banned from the park for years/life.
fans who pay $10,000 dollars to attend a WS game come from a higher social strata and are less likely to storm the field after a series winning game at home, i guess? or baseball fans just behave differently now in the stadium than they did 40 or 50 years ago? As a longtime baseball fan who grew up in the shadow of Fenway Park and used to attend many games as a kid in the 70s when the average price of a ticket was about $4 and i used to see fans hauling up big cartons of beer on a rope from behind the bleachers at Fenway Park i believe its a combination of both as you illustrate here in this video. in addition you used to see a lot of drunks and fights in the stadium years ago, you rarely see that anymore if at all. the much higher expense of baseball tickets also greatly contributes to keeping the drunks and idiots out to a large extent as you also point out. this was an interesting video, and thanks for sharing these longtime developments of fan behavior with us. another reason for the history offan invasion may be the fact that in the case of baseball the presentation of the WS trophy and the player celebrations for a long time took place in the locker room and not on the field anyways so the fans thought it was ok to storm the field because the players were going to leave the field entirely after the conclusion of the championship. for example in hockey you didn't see many fans on the ice after a stanley cup victory because the cup has always been presented on the ice following the victory and most fans wanted to witness that. today of course this is what now happens in baseball after the world series ends.
I recall when Philly won and all those K-9 units were on the field. The problem was the dogs saw the guys jumping around, on the field, and they wanted to play too.
Unfortunately, you neglected to mention the rival American Association -- the so-called "Beer and Whiskey League" -- that was started in the Midwest in 1871 to challenge the National League. Started by German immigrants, notably Chris von der Ahe, a Prussian in St. Louis, his league catered to working class patrons by selling alcohol at the games (the teams were owned by breweries and distilleries), offering tickets at half the NL rate, and playing games on Sunday, the only free day for laborers. The American Association had a number of markets larger than the NL and, while it battled the established league for a decade, it had limited resources and the NL eventually bought out four of its largest markets which are still in existance today: St. Louis, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and Brooklyn (LA), effectively killing the AA. The alcohol revenue made by the AA was not lost on NL owners, who eventually allowed sales in their parks despite the Temperance Movement.
The ones I remember are the Mets fans swarming the field after the "miracle" 1969 World Series win, which as I remember was wild and crazy but rather benign, no violence, just digging up the turf and bases. And then there were the two slimeballs who tried to burn the flag in the Dodger Stadium outfield and got their butts righteously kicked by Rick Monday.
I always think of the moment that Hank Aaron broke the home run record and after rounding second a few fans came in and tapped him on the back in a congratulatory manner. With all the racist letters and death threats that came his way as he approached the record, I'm sure that he had a few seconds of terror when they came in before realizing that they were congratulating him
Idea for a video about 'dress' at the ballpark: From what would seem very formal to us in the 50s men in hats and ties.....in the 70s/80s extreme informal....people went shirtless all the time at the ballpark...now to almost universally fans dressed in team gear
You missed one...1973 NLCS, Shea Stadium, Rose-Harrelson fight. Photos of Johnny Bench and Ted Kluzewski bringing bats up into the crowd to protect their wives and family. Batteries and liquor bottles hurled from the upper deck. Guards on horseback clearing the Right Field bleachers .
No...but they stopped the game for about 45 minutes. Reds pulled their players off the field and on to bus to go home. This is a Playoff Game ,mind you. And Reds were willing to forfeit.
In 1924, the Washington "Senators" went to, and won, the World Series, Mr. Einstein...I'm sure not gonna hang around for the last 12:47 of this train wreck...
I was at a Nationals game in 2010, sitting on the 3rd base line about 10 rows up. I noticed the fella in front of me getting a little anxious. All of a sudden he jumps up and starts running on the field and eventually got tackled 😂 It was fun for everyone. Edit: Just looked up the date. Sunday, August 15th, 2010. There were tons of protestors there, yelling about the all star game being held in Phoenix. They were playing the DBacks.
because you get rich people in the "good" seats nowadays and those people are probably less passionate and definitely less likely to run on the field, get the fans up in the nosebleeds in the field seats and I am sure alot are going to run on the field, go look at the college sports and fans still run on the field and the court after a big win
In my life as a Cubs fan 84 on....I've never seen the fans rush the field at Wrigley that I can remember, sure there hasn't been enough winning and they clinched divisions away from home in the 80s
The Washington Senators were officially the Nationals from 1905 to 1955, but people called them the Senators anyway. Additionally, several viewers have pointed out that it's Jack Buck making the call at 8:10, not Dick Enberg.
Officially, that's true. Most fans called them the Senators throughout that entire time period, which is why you're getting pushback on that point. With the exception of 1905, the uniforms just said "W".
@@big8dog887 Thanks for the comment. I just edited mine to be a bit more precise.
Enberg did call the 1982 World Series for NBC, but this video used the local St. Louis radio broadcast, called by Buck. NBC told Enberg that he would become their main baseball play by play man beginning with that World Series, but then they turned around and signed Vin Scully. Can't argue with the move, but the execution was bad, kind of a precursor to what they did with Leno-Letterman-O'Brien.
Your videos are very well done. Would you please do one on the history of the Washington Senators, including the fact that they used more than one nickname?
Another thing about the Hank Aaron 715th home run: Aaron received a lot of death threats leading up to his breaking of Ruth's record. He later remarked that when he was rounding the bases, he thought the two fans that were congratulating him were about to kill him. Yikes.
Aaron actually had a body guard in the third base stands who was about to draw his weapon until he saw the young fans only wanted to congratulate him.
There's a good reason Hank Aaron is revered by most sports fans. He was continuing the work of Jackie Robinson in the Deep South.
Footage looks unconvincing
Fun fact: The Mariners current playoff drought is even longer than the one that started their franchise history, which is even more impressive because more teams make the playoffs now.
Not so fun if you're a fan of them.
That will change this year
@@kingsalmon4585 Very likely.
@@kingsalmon4585 hopefully
20 years of poor management will do that. Hoping that drought ends this year.
The NY Mets fans tore up that field in 1986. I remember the repairs they had to do after. Mostly giant chunks of the grass had to be replaced because people took them as “souvenirs”. I saw a lot of Mets games in 85 and 86 as a kid. Great years.
You beat me to it. I remember how bad the field looked the next few home games. Like a neglected high school field.
i used to go to met games back then on clergy passes. me and my friend would trade off between who was clergy and who was wayward youth. i have to imagine that people figured out that we were fake, but nobody ever said anything, outside of sometimes a sarcastic "enjoy the game, rabbi" with the particular sarcasm on "rabbi"
The Met fans rushed the field in 1969 and 1973 and destroyed it as well. My friends brought home pieces of Shea sod and planted it in their front yards where it grew for years. The fans rushed the field when they clinched the Division in 1986 vs. the Cubs. However, the police lined the field with horses at the World Series and there wasn't as much destruction.
@@edwardcricchio6106 Exactly. The Mets and the city decided after the division-clinching that it wasn't going to happen again, and when they won the WS a month later the fans (wisely) decided not to test the tolerance of a field full of huge police horses. I think other franchises learned a lot from the contrast between the two celebrations just a month apart and what made the difference. When the Yankees won the WS in '96 the police horses were used again and again no one went on the field.
@@Greg-jw2gb there was a huge difference between '69 and '73 celebrations. The 3 in '69 were like a love fest, a Woodstock, if you would. The one in '73 had a certain mean and destructive steak to it. I think the younger fans who had watched their older brothers in '69 decided to be a little angrier in their celebration. I was there for the first 2 playoff games in '73 so I missed going out on the field after third game. I was there for '86 & '88 Division clinchers as well. '86 didn't go on field, '88 nobody went out on the field.
Not only did they storm the field at Griffith Stadium in 1924 - according to baseball writer Shirley Povich who was there - they stayed in the stadium all night.
The good old days
@@dspsblyuth Baseball was almost like soccer in those days...
@@thegreenbird795 I don’t know anything about soccer . I’m American
@@dspsblyuth yes because soccer doesn't exist In the west 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@karma_v2977 just because it exists doesn't mean it gets watched lol
At 8:12 That's not Dick Enberg, that's Jack Buck.
You're right.
I was just getting ready to comment on this.
I was also.
In case anyone wants to know the piano pieces, they are the Chopin Prelude in C Minor and Clare de Lune by Debussy.
At 0:50, Reggie going through unruly fans like a tailback. He played that position in HS. Showed some shiftiness and power running to the dugout.
yeah he knocked the shit out of some of those morons, i wonder if son of sam was at that game?
When I was growing up we went to the original Yankee Stadium. After every game, the fans were allowed onto the field after the players went to the dugouts. A ring of skycaps kept you off the infield, but otherwise we were free to walk around, look up at the stands the way the ballplayers do, and then exit through the centerfield gates onto the street. I'm not sure when this practice ended, maybe the late sixties, but I miss those days. Does anyone remember "Camera Day" and "Banner Day" at Shea when fans were allowed on the field in between games of a double header to take pictures of the players or display their banners?
Lmao pilots used to bring you into the cockpit as a child, sad but understandable why things had to change
I was at that mariners game and I distinctly remember seeing a couple fans being tackled after they swarmed the field. I never even realized that was the last time that’s happened.
Nowadays, the fans make up for not rushing the field by absolutely positively tearing up the city outside of it
In 1924 the Washington team was called the Senators, not the Nationals.
Actually, Senators was a secondary nickname. They were known interchangeably as the Nationals and Senators throughout the 20th century-Nats for short, being an abbreviation of either name.
No. I am a Washington baseball fan and I've heard older fans refer to the old team as the Nats.
You've probably heard already, but the Washington team in 1924 was the Senators, not the Nationals.
still the same team
@@timelymirror7826 actually you're wrong, but I can see why you'd think that. The Nationals came from the Montreal Expos. The senators became the Minnesota Twins
Another correction needs to be made: in no way was the 1982 announcer Dick Enberg,
Senators and Nationals were both used by fans of the time
@@nintendofanlp And a second franchise became the Rangers.
Very well made Video, explaining many things over here in Germany has ever heard of or was thinking of.
Many thanks for your efforts! 👍🏽
I remember watching the last inning of the 1980 Royals-Phillies series in Philadelphia. With two outs in the ninth you could see the police with the German Shepards in the background. Philly cops don't play.
Don't make Philly cops MOVE.
I was at the Astrodome in 1997 for the first playoff clinch since 1986 & there were a lof of fans that rushed the field.
Yes sir, I believe that's the last time it happened.
For comparison, the UK saw a similar timeline in cricket and rugby. Crowd invasions after a game was very much the norm and saw identical scenes with players hurrying off the field, flanked by security and police present. From the 2000s, it is exactly the same and other than the lone figures invading the field, the masses storming the field in those sports are a thing of the past.
Football however is a very different matter. Crowd invasions still occur and until recently, it seemed to be a tradition for a home team to invade the pitch en masse for the final game of the season. Some unsavoury incidents involving players and staff being attacked or harassed by fans from the season that ended earlier in the year appears to now be a turning point. we could be witnessing a cultural change occurring there for this season and beyond.
Great insight. Would you happen to know which team was involved in that recent incident of fans harassing players & staff?
Yeah two incidents stand out from May this year. Billy Sharp getting headbutted by a Nottingham Forest fan (who was jailed for 24 weeks) after a playoff victory and crowd invasion czcams.com/video/9wveCWKYJ84/video.html
The other was when Everton avoided relegation and the Crystal Palace manager Patrick Viera reacted to an Everton fan goading him on the field. The police didn't pursue it any further: czcams.com/video/sKbDwZj7TOg/video.html
@@pch84 The biggest one was Man City fan hitting the Villa keeper
doesn't seem to be a cultural change
Crawley invaded the pitch for a Second Round Carabao Cup match
If you're not good enough to be a player who earned their way on the field, an official, a coaching or training staff member, or official media you need to stay the hell off the play surface at all times. You paid a ticket to watch from the stands/seats. Not be on the field. People are too deranged and entitled to have any other policy towards it.
This video was a well-written, interesting, and thorough presentation on a little-discussed topic. Thanks!
I'm actually surprised you didn't include the attack on Royals base coach Tom Gamboa by two idiots in Chicago in the early 2000s.
Glad you mentioned Disco Demolition night. The southside still remembers it, for better or worse. It's still pretty unique in the context of stadiums, because the security there is heavier than most. Bags do get checked. You have to finish *any* drink - alcohol or not - before you enter the stadium. I have seen someone try and smuggle a bloody mary in a gatorade bottle. You can't throw baseballs back onto the field, which is the difference between Wrigley or Yankee stadium, and Comiskey. I also recently saw someone get pulled from the stands by security for harassing Javy Baez during his AB. It's all stuff that tells you that the night the field got blown up still isn't gone from memory.
I have seen countless people go in there and do these things, and then wonder why you can't. It's because some people only know that place *for* that particular night, and no way are they going to let anybody try it again.
Larry McMullen is by Grandfather. That was really cool seeing his column pop up in a random video!
I was 10 when Maz hit that walk off homer in the 1960 WS. I ran home from school in time to see him hit it. The city did go wild. A memory i will never forget. By the way that was not Dick Enberg when the Cards won.
Wish I got to see Forbes field or a champion pirates team
I was never so scared as that night in the 1970s when Yankee Stadium had a promotional "Free Beer and Bullet Night." Madness, just madness.
Your comment about fans not stealing gloves during the Merkle incident made me wonder something. Up until shortly after World War II, it was common practice for fielders to leave their gloves on the field when they went back to the dugout to take their turn at bat. There are many amusing stories about opposing fielders sabotaging their opponent's gloves. But in a case like this, fans rushing the field wouldn't try to steal gloves from players, but what would have prevented them from picking an abandoned glove off of the ground? Also, why this practice started in the first place and how it ended might make a nice research project for a future video. I appreciate the good work you put into these.
I like your idea.
@@thebaseballprofessor The reason fans don't rush the field anymore is because the kind of fan who would do that can't afford a ticket nowadays.
What kind of nonsense was that?? Leaving gloves scattered around the field during play?
@@Bob31415 Ikr. It's true, though. If you ever watched Eight Men Out, there's a scene where Charlie Sheen catches a fly ball, then casually flips his glove off to the ground. They actually did that.
@@big8dog887 That's nuts. Were people dumber back then? I always thought they were more intelligent. So did the two teams share the gloves? And if so, what if they weren't the same hand (left handed, right handed)?
Remember the times fans ran on to the field during the Senators last game in Washington DC before moving to Arlington, Texas, the Ten Cent Beer Night fiasco, and the Disco Demolition Night fiasco?
Very informative video and great analysis! Thanks for sharing
This is a great, much underknown channel.
The Detroit Tigers' 1984 World Series celebration was historically bad, both inside and outside the stadium. It brought a lot of negative attention nationally to the city and was important in bringing change. Also I remember a lot of series clinching games where they had police completely line the perimeter of the field in the 9th inning and even brought in mounted horses. Wade Boggs famously rode on the back of one of the horses after the Yanks won it all in '96. I was disappointed you didn't show that.
I grew up a Tigers fan in Michigan, and given Detroit's reputation in the national media, I fully expected the 1984 celebration at Tiger Stadium to be given here as the main reason for why fans don't rush the field anymore. Maybe it wasn't mentioned because the video covered only on field "celebrations" and the most recognizable image of the Detroit "celebration," Bubba Helms and the burning police car, took place outside the stadium. Still, I agree that 1984 Detroit had a significant role in why celebrations have changed.
@@aarondersnah863 "Bubba Helms" I thought only I remembered him. I think he passed away in the early 2000's.
If the Mariners make the playoffs this year, we're rushing the field, idc.
When the Mets won the NL east in 1986, the field was covered with fans ripping up the dirt and the turf. When the Mets clinched the series that year, the police, on horseback, prevented the crowd from charging onto the field. From then on, it changed the way teams celebrated the series.
Reggie Jackson’s check on that fan is classic 🤣
First time I ever saw the fans not rush the field was the 1980 World Series in Philly. Philly cops had mounted police on the field in the 9th inning, literally in the field of play. It was awesome.
The narrator almost lost me on the first sentence. In 1924 the Washington team was the Senators, not the Nationals.
The Nationals played in (and won) their first World Series in 2019. That left the Seattle (WA) Mariners as the only team that has never been to a World Series. The old joke about the Senators was First in War, First in Peace, Last in the American League.
I was there when the Mets clinched the division title in '86. People tore up the field, the Mets nearly had to forfeit the game the next day. I haven't seen it happen as much since then. Just a few weeks later, when the Mets won the World Series, the celebration was much more civilized.
I'm embarrassed that I was too busy reading the comments to pick up on that mistake. lol
I agree that was a surprising basic mistake. That said, the rest of his presentation was awesome, so good we didn't check out based on that early error.
To be fair the original Senators were officially called the Nationals from 1905-1955 (it’s because of this that I call the current Nationals the Senators lol) so this video creator isn’t wrong.
What senators team was it cos there were 2. Twins or Rangers.
Ewwwww ... heaven help us if the narrator makes a mistake. Who gives a shit? Gesh, life must be tough if such a minute thing sets you off. More disturbing than the mistake
We got to get on the Astrodome field after the Astros clinched the playoffs in 1997. So that was a couple years after the Mariners. It was the first time the Astros had made to the playoffs since 1986, which seems like forever at the time. The Astros owner allowed it and the players even came back onto the field after a while to help celebrate. It was a magical time
You may have been the last to do so as of now and possibly in history
@@octopus8420 that would be amazing. I really never had any idea and never even thought about that being a possibility. But that would be pretty cool
I hope you all threw away the trash in the trash cans. LOL
Love your videos. Great job!
im a freshman in high school. in 7th grade, in gym, we were wrapping up our team handball unit. my team didnt make the finals, but i proposed the idea to the others of storming the court if the team we were rooting for won. (also, in the semifinals, which happened the same day, we stormed the court on 1 side after the same team won, however it didnt happen on the other side.) however in the finals, the team we were rooting for won. we all erupted in celebration and flooded the court. it didnt mean anything, but its crazy how 1 person's idea can spread to a bunch of other people. in short, it was kinda nice to see 50-60 12-13 year olds just pour out onto the court, knowing that this was my idea.
Baseball Doesn't Exist did a pretty good video on the Disco Demolition Night riot, and it's actual impact (or apparent impact) on baseball and disco as a music genre. It's worth checking out as a terrifying moment in history.
I was at the 95 Mariner one game playoff. I was in left field about 15 rows back. It was so loud in the Kingdome that you could not hear the fireworks or the public address announcer. Just before the end of the game a few security guards came out into foul territory. We thought oh well no rushing the field for us. When the game ended we watched the first guy jump from the stands right on the foul line in left field. He was promptly tackled so hard that even Ray Lewis would have been proud. Several more got onto the field and were also subdued, but once the few police/security personnel were busy it was obvious that we could get on the field without harassment. We never got to the players as they quickly headed into the locker room. However due to no one leaving the field a few of the players and Lou Pinella came back onto the field and thanked all the fans for a few minutes and then left again. We were then ushered out through the left field wall and out of the stadium. Good Times!
And that was all just for winning a division that wasn't very good. It shows the deprivation. Poor mariner fans. 😄
If you watch the end of Game 7 of the 1988 Finals between the Lakers and Pistons, it was bananas. It was a one-possession game, but the entire Laker team and a bunch of fans were on the court before the clock even expired. The Pistons would have needed a miracle to tie the game with a 3, but they weren't even able to attempt one as a result of the chaos.
I have always wondered about this and I miss the grand celebrations.
Absolutely great video! I'd be really interested in seeing your take on the history of marijuana and baseball, particularly in the early days of the sport.
Damn Reggie could have played for the Jets!
I was at Shea the last time it happened there. It was the regular season game when they clinched the pennant in '86, against the Cubs. We didn't go on the field but a bunch of folks did. I think.
In 1986 the Mets fans couldn’t rush the field at Shea Stadium after Game 7 of the World Series as during the bottom of the 8th 2 police officers were placed at the edge of the field in the stands for every section. They even had police on horseback in the bullpen that rushed out after the final out.
It was funny, the mounted police were announced prior to the top of the ninth and paraded from the left field bullpen to the right field bullpen …going around home plate. The show of force worked.
VISITING fans rushed the field when the SF Giants clinched the NL West in 1987 at Jack Murphy Stadium in San Diego. Fans can be seen breaking the front rail of the stands next to the Giants dugout.
Wild
Concise and entertaining video. Subscribed.
Fun fact: The Rangers catcher during 10 cent beer night in Cleveland was Mike Hargrove, the same man who 20 years later would lead Cleveland to multiple AL Central division championships and 2 World Series appearances.
Hargrove never caught a game in the majors. Jim Sundberg was the Texas catcher and "The Human Rain Delay" played first..
This video made me realize something personal and somewhat unrelated. I grew up a huge Yankee fan and loved the game. I loved the chess matches within the game. I would watch probably at least 100-130 games per year. Since the old stadium closed, my love for the game slowly faded to almost nothing. I’ve probably watched a few innings this whole season. And it just made me realize how much the environment really does shape the game. I’ve been to the new stadium, and it’s a remarkable structure, no doubt. There is plenty of space for an adequate amount of bathrooms and vendors. The seating is nicer. The graffiti is far less. And it’s just not the same vibe. The old stadium was small, dirty, kinda smelled like piss, but it was also insanely loud, the confined space feeling like a powder keg, especially October, and the field dimensions, while still on the smaller side of average, played pretty fair outside of the roughly 50-75 feet from the right field foul pole towards right-center where the cheap HRs went away. There were these mythical targets, like the facade, the BoA and Utz signs, row counting the upper deck, the batters eye, and the alley way in right center where it looked like someone might be able to sneak one out of the stadium if they got it at just the right angle. (They say Josh Gibson got one out over the third deck, which could be true or legend, and that Bernie almost got one through the alley in batting practice. What we know for sure is that Mantle hit the facade and Josh Hamilton put on a show.)
I’m not nostalgic for much, not romantic about much, but to hear that roar, to hear the fan who obnoxiously banged his ring on the railing, to feel like the rows of seats went more vertical than horizontal, as if they were perch above the field rather than pushed away from it, those things made the game for me. I’ll still watch the playoffs, especially if the Yankees are in, but I truly do miss the days of the unique ballparks, and in that respect, even envy Red Sox and Cubs fans to some degree. As attendance falls, hopefully the next generation of stadiums will reflect the wants of the fans still passionate enough to come out, who don’t want all the frills and just want to be able to afford a day at the ballpark and feel close to the action. I don’t want to sound like a curmudgeon. It’s still a beautiful game. I just think it could stand to reflect on some things that may have gone overlooked when the profit margins exploded in the early 2000’s. Maybe I just miss the low frequency vibrations seeing Mo get strike 3 to close out a W.
Very interesting comment! I'm 19 years old so I have no idea what it was back then but it sounds cool
@@Monkerey thank you. I’m in my 40s, so reasonably old, but not going crazy far back. I would just describe it as there being a very blue collar element to the stadium, and by extension, the team. It’s very corporate now, very polished, but also probably more fitting of the present in a way. Not necessarily a bad thing. Just different. But yeah it was cool. The 1996 World Series highlights and the dramatic wins in 2001 WS probably highlight some of the high points. Oh and Boone in the 2003 ALCS. It was a lot fun
Rushing the field or invading the pitch as come back into vogue in English football over the last 10 years or so. I have been involved in a few myself. But for the most part they have been joyous occasions without any major incidents (the hooliganism of the 70s and 80s are long gone and where it does happen, it is mostly in secluded areas prematch a distance away from the stadium. Organised between the hooligan gangs or “firms” themselves) but there were a few occasions last season were some fans tried ruining it for the majority of fans by attacking rival players and managers after pitch invasions. I hope these incidents are few and far between. Because it’s an amazing experience to celebrate your team’s achievements on the pitch and makes the fans feel a part of the community.
yeah how about the storming of wembley stadium and hooligans attacking fans before and after the Euro final last year?
@@DonQwantsyou Of course, I have tried to put everything about that game (on and off the pitch) out of my mind. That must be why I forgot all about it?
Two factors are the huge amount of protective netting seemingly from foul pole to foul pole. Then you have the phenomena of really tall outfield fences in many parks. Sure, some drunks and daredevils will make the 15-foot leap down onto the field but a lot of folks wouldn't try. I know I wouldn't. Thanks for the thought-provoking item.
Good points.
Some part of me still wishes that fans could run around the field when there team wins the world series at home but the measures put in place make sense. I still hate that it cost an arm and a leg to get decent tickets to a yankee game
people in Chicago would've rushed on the field very fast when the cubs broke their 100 year world series drought
@@timelymirror7826 that game took place in Cleveland though
The 1969 Miracle Mets, truly a miracle, clinched the division, the pennant, and the Series all at home. Even the already shredded field was shredded.
One game I'd like to add that helped change the tide - the White Sox clinching the Western Division in 1983. It had been a million years since any Chicago baseball team won anything (okay, 24 years, but it felt like...) and the city went wild over the Sox. On the night they clinched, the ushers/police cordoned off the entire infield for the team to celebrate and left the outfield for the fans to go crazy in. If you see the videos of the event it appeared to have worked quite well.
don't forget disco demo day 4 years earlier.....lol
In 1984, the fans tore up the turf at Tiger Stadium twice: after the ALCS, and after the final game of the WS. By 1987, they had the Detroit Police’s mounted division out on the field at the end of the pennant clincher. My uncle was in the mounted division then, and was on horseback there. You can see fans scrambling back to the stands in some videos, being chased by cops on horses.
Im so glad this video popped up in my fyp i always wondered
Very informative video. Nice job. That being said, 8:09 is inexcusable. That’s not Dick Enberg (on NBC TV) that’s Jack Buck (on the Cardinals radio station).
How could ANY sports fan confuse those two? smh
@@DerekDominoes Only someone who says “zero” instead of “nothing” when saying the score of a game would confuse the two.😄 I’ll bet you he really has no idea who either of them are, and he read that Dick Enberg was part of the NBC team covering the 82 World Series, and just assumed that whatever call he dug up had to be Dick Enberg. He’s gotta be better than that though, if he’s gonna to be making videos for long-time baseball fans. I think that Enberg’s and Buck’s reactions to this would be as follows:
Enberg: OH MY!!!
Buck: I DON’T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW!!!
😊
@@jeremycrandall2899 And Joe Buck's reaction would be "THAT IS A DISGUSTING ACT!!"
0:01 Washington Senators, correct?
I was at the game where the Mariners beat the Angles in a 1 game playoff. Had no idea I was at an historic event that was the last of its kind.
Gotta wonder if fans would've stormed onto Wrigley Field if Cubs won there in '16. I don't think so but it's still in back of my mind.
I've never Uploaded anything to CZcams so I don't know how it works, but is it possible for you to turn up the volume on the videos you create?
I have hearing problems and my earbuds fell into the toilet the other week so I'm using my Bluetooth speaker to listen to the lectures. Thank you. And keep up the good work!
How much of a factor does protective netting play in this? Wasn't it not common to have it behind the dugouts until the 90's? Maybe that deters it just enough in those spots nearest the action that nobody sitting further out or along the outfield wall would think to be the first on the field
Umm..no. I hate that stupid protective netting. They didn't extend that damn netting until about 3-4 yrs ago.
Back in the 90’s at Busch Stadium I saw an old lady get put in a coma because of a foul ball. She was sitting in the green seats and her seat was off center from home plate and she got plunked in the side of the head with blood everywhere. Back them there was only netting directly behind home plate and it was quite dangerous to even be sitting slightly to the left or right of home plate, let alone down line. After seeing that shit as a kid, I’ll take the netting all day.
@@tyronebiggums1213 and think about how much money that saves each stadium every year. I bet that netting cuts their liability insurance by a third
I think the netting sucks! Not for me, an adult, but for little kids trying to get autographs of their favorite players. They should find a way to lower the nets until game time. Plus, if you’re on the phone and not watching the game and you get hit by a baseball, it’s your own damn fault.
Check out video of the last out of the 1973 NLCS at Shea Stadium. Fans were rushing onto the field while the last out was still being recorded.
Wow. Didn't know about it until now.
it's like what happens in college football sometimes when people rush on the field whilst the ball still in play
That didn't sound ANYTHING like Enberg-even distorted by time or playback speed. Having said that, I used to work for 2 major sports venues in the DFW area. I did event security at the arena and although I was just an usher at the baseball stadium, I was still assigned to do bag checks once in a while. It was AMAZING at what the fans tried to bring in (and then they'd lie - "Well, I brought it in last time"). As time went on we went from 'wanding' the guests. then having them walk through a metal detector and doing a hand search of their bags. To eventually putting their bags through an xray machine. During that time bag policy changed from guests being allowed only one bag and it to be clear to NO bags EXCEPT diaper bags. At the end of major events, most of the event security force was sent down to the field/court/ice. At the ballpark, us ushers were also used. We would stand and face the crowd and try to look menacing. No one tried to get on the field.
Thanks for sharing. I remember finding liquor bottles in the toilet stalls of Dodger Stadium back in the late 1980s. That's uncommon nowadays because ushers do such thorough bag checks.
Very good video. You get a subscribe. Work on your editing techniques and you might eventually blow up
These have been great! Answering common sense questions everyone has about baseball. 👍
Great video. Any chance of a followup tracing the rise and fall of overflow crowds being allowed to sit on the field during the game itself? Many of the pre-multisport ballparks drew their biggest crowds when fans were roped off and stood behind the outfielders or just outside the foul lines. Last time I think this happened was in Griffith Stadium on Memorial Day in 1949, but there might have been other times later.
It's a great idea for a video. I want to do a longish one about ballparks in 1870, 1920, and 1970. I could fold the topic into that one.
@@thebaseballprofessor Glad you like the idea. One place to start might be Frankie Frisch's memoir, The Fordham Flash, pp. 122-123, where he gives a long and loving description of a July 12, 1931 doubleheader against the Cubs at Sportsman's Park, where the crowd of 47,715 included well over 10,000 overflows who swarmed all over the field before and during the game, resulting in (among other things) over two dozen ground rule doubles that got swallowed up by the crowds in the outfield. And that's barely scratching the surface. I've got many hundreds of baseball books, and those two pages may be the most entertaining passages to be found in any of them.
Also I think once Monica Seles was attacked, the notion of allowing anyone to threaten the athletes was a non starter. I’ve also reflected on how post championship riots and property damage seems to have gone away presumably in the era where everyone has a cell phone
The Washington Nationals didn’t exist until 2005. The franchise wasn’t even around until the 1960s as the Montreal Expos. It was the Washington Senators that were in the World Series in 1924.
The team was officially known as The Nationals for most of its time in DC; the Senators was a widely used but technically unofficial nickname.
I wonder if part of the “decorum” as you put it is that in the 1920s enough people remembered what it was like when crowds were allowed to get out of control and understood that the whole point of the NL and AL was to get away from that, but as generations changed and the collective memory faded and the money increased people abandoned that culture until they were forced to institute a new set of rules of decorum
seeing mr october body that fan made my day
great job!!
12:15 I was at that game where Iowa beat Penn State. My wife and I eventually got on to the field.
Keeping the fans off the field is so much better for television. Now we all get to see trophy presented to the winning team and we see the players being interviewed.
Fact fact: A young Scott Ian of Anthrax was at game 6 of the 1977 WS, he didn't storm the field cause he was scared of the cops beating fans but I wonder if that influenced the later heavy metal shows lol
Also nowadays, they have high res security cams everywhere, so it's easier to identify people who act up. And then, those who do get caught doing something bad often get a heavy handed punishment, like being banned from the park for years/life.
fans who pay $10,000 dollars to attend a WS game come from a higher social strata and are less likely to storm the field after a series winning game at home, i guess? or baseball fans just behave differently now in the stadium than they did 40 or 50 years ago? As a longtime baseball fan who grew up in the shadow of Fenway Park and used to attend many games as a kid in the 70s when the average price of a ticket was about $4 and i used to see fans hauling up big cartons of beer on a rope from behind the bleachers at Fenway Park i believe its a combination of both as you illustrate here in this video. in addition you used to see a lot of drunks and fights in the stadium years ago, you rarely see that anymore if at all. the much higher expense of baseball tickets also greatly contributes to keeping the drunks and idiots out to a large extent as you also point out. this was an interesting video, and thanks for sharing these longtime developments of fan behavior with us. another reason for the history offan invasion may be the fact that in the case of baseball the presentation of the WS trophy and the player celebrations for a long time took place in the locker room and not on the field anyways so the fans thought it was ok to storm the field because the players were going to leave the field entirely after the conclusion of the championship. for example in hockey you didn't see many fans on the ice after a stanley cup victory because the cup has always been presented on the ice following the victory and most fans wanted to witness that. today of course this is what now happens in baseball after the world series ends.
Love that difference between pros and college
Who started the no booze after 7th inning thing? San Diego?
You can still have booze after the 7th you just have to order 4-5 before the end of the 7th and hold on to them
I recall when Philly won and all those K-9 units were on the field. The problem was the dogs saw the guys jumping around, on the field, and they wanted to play too.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing an eyewitness account.
Unfortunately, you neglected to mention the rival American Association -- the so-called "Beer and Whiskey League" -- that was started in the Midwest in 1871 to challenge the National League. Started by German immigrants, notably Chris von der Ahe, a Prussian in St. Louis, his league catered to working class patrons by selling alcohol at the games (the teams were owned by breweries and distilleries), offering tickets at half the NL rate, and playing games on Sunday, the only free day for laborers. The American Association had a number of markets larger than the NL and, while it battled the established league for a decade, it had limited resources and the NL eventually bought out four of its largest markets which are still in existance today: St. Louis, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and Brooklyn (LA), effectively killing the AA. The alcohol revenue made by the AA was not lost on NL owners, who eventually allowed sales in their parks despite the Temperance Movement.
It’s fairly common now in College football.. a little too common.
The ones I remember are the Mets fans swarming the field after the "miracle" 1969 World Series win, which as I remember was wild and crazy but rather benign, no violence, just digging up the turf and bases. And then there were the two slimeballs who tried to burn the flag in the Dodger Stadium outfield and got their butts righteously kicked by Rick Monday.
I'm 20 seconds into the video...there were no Washington Nationals in 1924
Why are most of the images duplicated side by side? Am I supposed to watch this video with a VR headset?
Weren't they the Washington Senators in 1924?
I figured it was because all baseball fans are over 70 and they don't want to break a hip.
I love the clips of bedlam
I always think of the moment that Hank Aaron broke the home run record and after rounding second a few fans came in and tapped him on the back in a congratulatory manner. With all the racist letters and death threats that came his way as he approached the record, I'm sure that he had a few seconds of terror when they came in before realizing that they were congratulating him
Idea for a video about 'dress' at the ballpark: From what would seem very formal to us in the 50s men in hats and ties.....in the 70s/80s extreme informal....people went shirtless all the time at the ballpark...now to almost universally fans dressed in team gear
You missed one...1973 NLCS, Shea Stadium, Rose-Harrelson fight.
Photos of Johnny Bench and Ted Kluzewski bringing bats up into the crowd to protect their wives and family.
Batteries and liquor bottles hurled from the upper deck. Guards on horseback clearing the Right Field bleachers .
Did fans get onto the field?
No...but they stopped the game for about 45 minutes. Reds pulled their players off the field and on to bus to go home.
This is a Playoff Game ,mind you. And Reds were willing to forfeit.
Want to go to a game? Your treat!
At 8:13, that was Jack Buck, not Dick Enberg.
Surprised that you didn’t mention how they announce a $14,000 fine and jail time for anyone that rushes the field nowadays.
Which stadium did you hear that announcement? I haven't myself.
@@thebaseballprofessor Wrigley Field in Chicago typically announces it in pre-game introductions.
In 1924, the Washington "Senators" went to, and won, the World Series, Mr. Einstein...I'm sure not gonna hang around for the last 12:47 of this train wreck...
I was at a Nationals game in 2010, sitting on the 3rd base line about 10 rows up. I noticed the fella in front of me getting a little anxious. All of a sudden he jumps up and starts running on the field and eventually got tackled 😂
It was fun for everyone.
Edit: Just looked up the date. Sunday, August 15th, 2010. There were tons of protestors there, yelling about the all star game being held in Phoenix. They were playing the DBacks.
because you get rich people in the "good" seats nowadays and those people are probably less passionate and definitely less likely to run on the field, get the fans up in the nosebleeds in the field seats and I am sure alot are going to run on the field, go look at the college sports and fans still run on the field and the court after a big win
In my life as a Cubs fan 84 on....I've never seen the fans rush the field at Wrigley that I can remember, sure there hasn't been enough winning and they clinched divisions away from home in the 80s
They rushed the field after Opening Day st Wrigley in 1970.They put the OF baskets up later that night.
That was Jack Buck, not Dick Enberg calling the ‘82 Cardinals victory over Milwaukee.
We used to smuggle barcardi 151 into county stadium and spike our slushys with.
In 1924 is was the Senators, not the Nationals.
Stadiums have large jail cells now!! 😅
Very surprised the Cubs fans didn't do it when they won in 2016
They won game 7 in Cleveland, not Chicago
They probably would have had the series been won at Wrigley. Pat Hughes sounded relieved when they didn't after the NLCS