yesss, she’s become one of my favourite x men because of the show when i found her and many of the other live action counterparts super boring (i’m not a comic reader so i didnt have context of what she’s like previously)
100%!!!! I have LOVED Rogue since I started reading comics, at 12 years old. These days I'm more a DC Comics girly, but X-Men ALWAYS will be my first superhero team, and Rogue and Gambit my #1 ship. I LOVE the CONFIDENT, Southern belle, bull-in-a-china-shop Rogue. The sassy one, who will happily show off, cuz she KNOWS she's cute, and can kick ass. I have HATED EVERY iteration of Rogue, in live action media, except the fanmade things, like the Deadpool musical videos. T-T
She's such a complex and tragic character, from the emergence of her powers and the isolation they bring to her abusive relationship with Mystique and reluctant life as a villain to her gaining Ms. Marvel's powers and the abilities they granted her and the guilt that drives her as a heroine. All of that was smooshed flat. Hell, they even butchered her accent... Not as bad as Halle Barry's Ororo...
They did it first. In the comics, 1997's Operation: Zero Tolerance storyline was Secret Invasion before Secret Invasion, with this exact premise of Sentinels hiding in plain sight, even among the X-Men's friends and allies.
It is awesome, uplifting, but also so many feels. Powerful, moving, and incredible. 97 has meant so much to everyone. Every episode is a treasure, a masterpiece
After the Pryde of the X-Men pilot flopped as hard as it did in 89, the showrunners for the original 1992 series wanted to distance themselves from it as much as possible. They turned Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Dazzler - some of the most popular X-Men at the time, yes, even Dazzler - from team mainstays into guest characters, and cut Kitty Pryde out of the story altogether, giving her role as the naive newcomer to Jubilee. So she probably won't be in X-Men 97. Though since Nightcrawler is now a mainstay of the team, I'm not 100% certain that Kitty WON'T join, as they did a decent job with her in both X-Men Evolution (from Season 2 onwards, anyway) and Wolverine and the X-Men (as long as we don't talk about the hairstyle). If Marvel is NOT just porting the X-Men '97 team over to the MCU, then yes, I'd argue that Kitty deserves a spot on the team. Though honestly, the real appeal of Kitty is how much she grew during her time with the team and I do not know if a movie franchise can tackle that with only 3 hours to tell each story.
She’s such an important member and I hate that they keep pretending she doesn’t exist 😭 however I have hope that they’ll introduce her in 97 …maybe season 2
When I saw Nightcrawler in the opening credits of 97’, it gave me hope that they can add anyone to the team. It use to irk me (even as a kid) when Colossus, Angel and Iceman were just cameo characters. My hope is that 97’ will continue to add members to the team in the upcoming seasons (including Kitty). I want that opening intro to be 20 characters deep if possible!
YES! I was so happy to see him kick ass in ep 8. Him and Gambit r my fav mutants of all time the devotion to beliefs nightcrawler has and Gambits devotion to his chosen family is amazing
3:03 this joke actually made a lot of sense if not for deleted scenes. There were lots of scenes where Toad would say "you know when happens to a toad when it falls from a great height?" And then hear him chatter about an interesting toad fact and then later "you know what happens to a toad at very high heat? Well" and then on and on and on about toad facts that everyone hates and then it would end with (what I feel would have worked well with all the other lines left in) "when struck by lightning? Same thing that happens to everything else" but the complete setup was cut out of the movie.
Lmao that actually wouldn’t have been that bad as she was just making fun of him. The way it is now she just made a goofy ass quip and acted like she did something
@@DailyNihilism It was sloppy film making and a lack of respect for the source. Action-wise, they knew Storm was going to take out Toad, could have done a reshoot without the line but with the same action, but decided "eh, fuck it. who cares?" Just saying, I'm still salty about a 6' Logan not knowing who Sabretooth was... We'll not get into the fact that the Aussie didn't even know about the namesake animal...
I truly hope MCU uses XMen 97 as the blueprint for live action moving forward. This is the best they’ve put out so far period .. live action and animation included .
Man just seeing Spiderman just casually swinging around in the latest episode. Show far more better examples of these characters all sharing the same universe, than MCU in years.
I am LOVING the first season of X-Men '97. I pretty much jumped with glee when I saw Spider-Man make a brief cameo in the second-last episode. The various cameos when Rogue was going searching around really make me hope they plan to continue other series like Spider-Man and Iron Man from the 90's too.
If nightcrawler is in the mix they can’t I repeat can’t downplay religion as a whole nightcrawler still has the best lines ever in both animated shows plus make him use swords
Speaking as someone who is NOT Christian in the slightest, Nightcrawler works best when he combines his faith with fun. The 1992 version was all faith, no fun, and the X-Men Evolution version was all fun, no faith. 1997 has almost got him right...they just need to have him stay the course of being both a priest and a swashbuckler. And I agree, Swordcrawler is best 'Crawler.
Yeah, the point of the X-men is they all come from really different places with different views, politics, faith etc...but they are united for the one cause.
Cyclops optic blasts DO cut and slice. They're concusive, yes, but many creators have had him shoot through the neck of a sentinel or straight up cut wolverines hand off like in Age of Apocalypse. It's amazing how both sides of the laser or concussive argument get it wrong. He's been shown to have both in the comics. A lot
KRAKOA ERA? LMAO, The Wolverine and Scott thing has been around BEFORE THAT! Sure, it's COMPLICATED! but there has been times where Wolverine will pick up Scott help him out and take him to a strip club to have him be socially ackward to a lady.
The problem the latest MCU has is that it doesn't want to commit. X-Men 97 has commited in killing characters and advancing storylines, post-Endgame MCU does not want that, just one-issue stories with a lot of jokes. They are not even adapting anyhting at this point (omg Secret Invasion), just writing new stuff with ppl that doesn't know super-heroes or even action (like Echo).
Getting a proper Colossus was very refreshing in both Deadpools, We need a good, lethal ninja trained by Ogun Shadowcat, a properly written MCU Storm, and 97' Nightcrawler was so amazing against those prime sentinels!
I hate to be that guy, but The Phoenix Saga is technically an invention of the 90s cartoon. I mean, the X-Men vs Shi'ar story in the comics was not officially labeled "The Phoenix Saga" (there are no trade papers calling it that). Because the story wasn't really Jean/Phoenix-centric, as the character barely appears in it. That is why the other adaptations skip over the Phoenix Saga. Because it was never canon to the comics in the first place.
@@ebmax55I think OP means the events happend but they weren't a 'Saga'. The 1992 show tied the whole early Claremont run, from Jean becoming Phoenix up until the X-Men's first fight with the Shi'Ar Empire, together into a Saga where originally only loose threads connected those otherwise unrelated events.
@@ingonyama70 Correct. The Phoenix was not the guardian of the M'Kraan Crystal in the comic version of the story. That was some elf-like alien (whose name I forgot).
I'm absolutely enthralled with '97! I love that they've made morph more like their Exiles version, but I would love to see their powers explored more. They can do more than just change into other people like Mystique, let morph go full cartoon shapeshifter like they could in the comics
I still think the best way Marvel could adapt the X-Men is just go straight into Hickman's X-Men. The first two scenes are of Moria in the original X-Timeline and then the Days of Future's Past timeline. Now we see all mutants on Krakoa with Xavier and Magneto working together and the movie is about the end of this mutant eden where we leave it with Krakoa destroyed, mutants becoming immigrants to new countries, Magneto leading a more militant wing...a Brotherhood...while the X-Men are lead by Xavier. Make it a part of the original stories, but use the Moria's multiple lives as a way to refresh it anew.
Lessons that MCU should learn from X-men: Its an ensemble cast, not the wolverine show. Cyclops, Jean, Rogue, Magneto, Charles, Storm are all characters that could run their own movies. If anything de-emphasis Wolverine. Xavier is not a perfect person, he screws up. Give Rogue her super strength and flight. You don't have to do it the Ms Marvel route (I mean I wouldn't mind it personally) but give her those powers. ITs okay to use mutants people haven't seen. Hell create new ones. Do either Night of the sentinels or genocia storyline (you can do the original Genocia story first if you want to set up the later part). They HAVE to be threatened by humanity. Magneto should feel like he has a point and that he tried to do it the peaceful way first, second and third time and humanity refuses to accept. Magneto needs to be front and center. The moment I knew the x-men fox movies screwed up was when Magneto showed up to a mutant rally and no one knew who he was. Show other teams of mutants. X-force, X-factor, the Morlocks, The Brotherhood.
What I love about 97 as a whole (not being a 90s kid mind you) is how actually mature the writing is for being what would usually be called a continuation of a kids show. People actually die in 97, they have struggles not just mentally but physically, and most importantly morals are called into question. That is what the MCU should be, and not just an outlet to crack some jokes or push an agenda (I’m looking at you She Hulk).
Horny is a creepy way to describe personal relationships, as if only one dimension of things matters. For instance, it's not the state of being horny that makes the Magneto / Rogue relationship interesting and satisfying. It's the idea that Rouge is being shown able to touch someone, and that Remy loses out. Romance and love dose not equal horny (by the book), as horny is a sexually excited idea more than a comprehensive view of two people together in a relationship. Even Jubilee gets to kiss someone, but jumping straight to "horney" ..... that's creepy.
Exactly. If you want horny, write your own fanfic. There's more to relationships than horny; there would be appropriate outrage if the series only did horny without relationships, romance, and other realistic aspects of attraction, love, and lust.
I don't understand why the toad thing is so hated... I think it's brilliant. Storm is a Goddess figure, and Toad is so far beneath her he doesn't matter at all. I thought it was a humiliating insult... "You are nothing to me. You could be anything and it wouldn't matter"
The MCU better take notes!!! X-Men 97 is just nailing it. The writing has been fantastic and all characters are given justice 👏🏽. Those FOX movies could never.
It's in the MCU, same (exec)producer, studio, multiverse, etc, but I get your point. Between this and Feige's efforts on the original films, there are reasons for high optimism.
3:11 FOR THE RECORD this was supposed to be like her “quippy phrase”. She was supposed to say stuff along the lines of “do you know what happens when X is struck by lightning” a lot more but they cut out all of the other lines of her saying it
As excited as I am for a new Live Action depiction of the X-men and mutants in general, I don't want it to come at the expense of animated series like X-men '97. I am all for great animation, and some stories honestly work better in animation, especially when the artists are given the time and direction to really make it pop like they did with '97. This added to the proof that animation can still be serious, and tell serious stories, and you don't have to be live action to make it hit home.
X-Men 97 is great. He needs to write some of the MCU. I don’t like how the current MCU killed off Battlestar when he supposed to get the super Soilder serum before U.S.Agent😳🤦🏾♂️
Very excellent take! I would say x-men 97 excels because it is unapologetically faithful to the comic. The MCU seems to be more and more unrecognizable to the source material. Even What if… seems to more live action related than comic source related
It's faithful when it can be, and deviates when it needs to. Madelyne and Scott's relationship was a lot more fraught and complicated in the comics, and left Cyclops looking like a grade-A scumbag for years after the fact. He's a lot more sympathetic in 97. Genosha had zero X-Men there when it was first attacked in E is for Extinction; Xavier sensed it happening but couldn't scramble a team in time, so the X-Men were only able to pick up the pieces and rescue the likes of Emma Frost and Polaris from the rubble. Having Rogue, Gambit, and Madelyne there, as well as lots of people we recognize, made the drama hit so much harder. And at time of this comment, Bastion's origin has been changed to be much more 'grounded' and less magical than he is in the comics, where magic is involved in making him what he is.
this makes no sense at all lol. if they were trying hard to be likable, they would only produce things they know people LOVED. the spent the entire phase 4 experimenting and trying new things. that’s the total opposite of “trying to be liked” lol wtf are you talking about
Also make Wolverine short again and make sure he's not the only main character. In the live action movies it's basically Wolverine and also all these other people and any time there's a problem Wolverine is the only one who can fix it.
Good lord. I literally mentioned to several friends that I am so happy to see an X-men story that IS NOT dark phoenix. I love that X97 is a continuation so that we're getting new actual stories.
I disagree when it comes to the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix saga. The MCU NEEDS to do it. Its too impactful on the team as a whole. Besides that, I want all new stuff like The Fall of The Mutants, Inferno, Age of Apocalypse, etc
i want to see Franklin Richards on the big screen. he had a name drop in the original X-Men live action, now bring him in. and despite what you said...i want Phoenix/Dark Phoenix done properly. that story needs redemption!!!!
Herr's a big one for me: The live action mcu X-Men should be a series with the occasional event movie. There's too many characters with major arcs for movies alone to do justice. X-Men could almost be it's own universe with how many characters and story arcs there are. 97 proved that X-men works best as a series, and even those episodes seemed to have been rushing. Like they didn't have enough run time to do it justice.
An adaptation of Havoc and Wolverine: Meltdown would be dope to give a more grounded story of Logan w/o the weight of the X-Men or Old Man Logan. Hell recast Havoc with Morph to give a buddy road trip vibe with a touch of will they or won’t they sexual tension.
yes the mcu needs to take notes this 97 is excellent we got the drama the multiple relationships. A proper Magneto the man is complicated and has been both a hero a villain and in between. Fox did Cyclops so dirty they basically sidelined him in favor of Wolverine. They can both coexist and they bring different things to the team. Show us a properly done Emma frost she is absolutely awesome, Give us comic accurate costumes. Hell the avengers have them. show us the blue the yellow and everything in between. and for love of god show us the mutant culture we so often see in the comics. Utopia Astroid X, Krakoa choose on down the line. Show us all of these things
Completely agree with that assessment I just don't have enough faith that the MCU *can* do X-Men justice; I really really hope I'm proven wrong! I feel the exact same way about the DC animated work vs the "DCEU"
We got one of that storyline's most important events in Episode 7. not the one everyone thinks of when they hear Fatal Attractions, but the global EMP was a BIG part of that arc.
There is SO much material to work with, with the comics, for the X-Men, they could have their OWN MCU broad world...Start with the X-Men, touch on X-Factor, EXcalibur, the Dark X-Men, we already have X-Force, kinda, in the Deadpool movies, etc. And GODS I hope that they do Storm and Rogue justice. If it were the 90's, Iman would've been the PERFECT Storm. T-T
Seeing the mutants as the true master race is a legit viewpoint in universe. It's the view of the Brotherhood of Mutants.......not the guys you want or should side with....
Out of all the Marvel franchises, X-Men has to be the hardest to implement into the MCU. First, because comparisons will be inevitable, but mostly, because the X-Men universe is so FREAKING VAST, it's going to be a nightmare to introduce into the current state of the MCU. Not to mention the amount of characters. Just... who do you pick? There are some safe bets, sure (Professor X, Cyke, Jean, Wolverine, Storm and Magneto), but after that... you've got almost infinite possibilities. I just hope that, if they go for Rogue, they go for both Rogue AND Gambit. The cajun was already my favourite X-Men, but after chapter 5 of X-Men '97?
The most important lesson imo is that they should 1) properly represent the characters they are adapting and 2) push the X-men message, not your own personal agenda on current gender, race or whatever politics the writers think they are rgiht and the others are not on. This is not a story how being LGBTQ or a minority makes you better (that's literally the villain's side of the argument in X-Men) it's about coexistance, acceptance and how both sides can be right and wrong. X-men 97' imo very competently showed various viewing points and various reaction toc ertain things, as well as characters that all had their views somewhat questioned. In the end of the day the X-Men are heroes! They don't represent a specific race, sexuality, gender, they represent EVERYTHING! We came in various different shapes, sizes, colour, everything and none are better because of it. We can all live together peacfully as long as we don't start demanding different treatment, to be glorified in our difference and to push ourselves as the norm. All 3 are currently very VERY popular among emdia and all 3 are unqeustionably the villains in the X-men stories. Do not confuse the X-men as a vehicle to push an agenda that X is better, that X must be everywhere, hell even that X must be praised and glorified. It's strictly about coexistance and acceptance. And to even more offensively and bluntly put it don't raceswap character X, don't genderswap character X, the X-men roster is so diverse that you can find those characters. Use them if you do it well we'll love it! But keep in mind diversity includes all groups - asian and white men and women too. I really thing the X-men 07 roster has a pretty good diversity for a live action adaptation. Perhaps leave Bishop for a future intorduction and have Forge in from the start. Or hell give us Spyke I'm down for some Evolution representation. ;) And to be honest I think they should take it slow. As in build a new MCU on the X-men's back. Start with a smaller story, tehy ar ejust gettin introduced. I feel it's best to have the school and the borhterhood as a start. Grow into a side plot as a second movie but keep Magneto and the brotherhood involved.Perhaps Sinister, or actually Mojo would be perfect. Then finish the trilogy with a final showdown between X-men and the Brotherhood of mutants. After that you cna continue with outer space stories and perhaps bench Magneto and the Professor for the second trilogy as a fall-out from the third move. Involve the X-men more with Avengers and other stories in phase 2 and so on. The earliest you can start thinking about Dark Phoenix should be the thrid phase of this new MCU. Why not Avengers vs X-men storyline as a whole. Would be cool if done properly. It has the potential to be Civli War II (not the Civil War II comic, the movie equivalent I mean).
The throuple thing is not in the comics. There were vague references that fans assumed meant that, but theres been nothing explicit that scott, jean, and logan were a couple. The only vaguely explicit thing was a scene with logan and jean in a jacuzzi but really thats it. I think it was a cute little joke that fans took way too far while theres very little in the book.
I would actually like the MCU to base their X-Men on X-Men Evolution at the beginning. Then they can become more like X-Men 97 after a couple of years.
Nooo.....and besides you pretty much got that in Xmen first class.....besides are they suppose to do a time jump an hour into the movie....MCU can take the idea of Jubliee at the mall....and go from there
This guy doesn’t get it. Anyone can be a fan of x-men and can understand their plight. Race doesn’t matter. At some point in everyone’s life, they feel like an outsider. Don’t make this about race or sexual orientation.
I hope that after everything is rebooted, they can make animation tell the stories of the characters BETWEEN the movies to supplement a cohesive character arc throughout. Disney can do this with ALL of its MCU major characters. Let the animation do some crossovers and fix plotholes between the big live-action movies (like Dtar Wars had done). The best part of playing with my action figures as a kid was imagining what could happen when different characters have to work together or just hang out after "work."
It is when everyone says it, or something like it, every film. A comedic character who undercuts serious moments, like Spider-Man, Iron Man, Jubilee, or Morph, is fine. But when every character is like that all the time, it sterts robbing even serious moments of their gravitas. There's a time for levity and a time for drama, and the MCU has only realized the power of truly dramatic moments that aren't done away with in a single glib comment relatively recently. I'm not saying the pendulum should swing the other way and the movies NEVER be funny - I despised the DCEU until Aquaman and Shazam brought some much-needed lightness to what I saw as a dark, depressing universe. But there's a balance that neither company has quite managed to strike yet.
@ingonyama70 Thank you. This reply makes your issue a little clearer for me👍🏾. Balance is always key in life & art. I still have less of an issue with it than you do. I just don't necessarily see it as "undercutting". Often, it's just a natural response. It's how people I know react to "similar" situations. It was also a very good way to bring the mass audience into that world when they weren't that keen to. "What do they call you, wheels?" That was invaluable at a time when these films were fighting their way back. ( slightly different instance). The MCU has had many uninterrupted dramatic moments since Iron Man & a few genius, perfectly complimented dramatic parts flashing to humour in Ragnarok (when he's on his game Taila is a master at it). I see your point, I just genuinely find that if there's a scale going 1-10, I'm just a couple of units away from you. Thanks again for the detailed reply.🖖🏾
@@ingonyama70this idea that EVERYONE in the mcu is quipping 24/7 needs to die. it’s simply not true. everything in the mcu is not a joke ALL the time. they didn’t quip through wakanda forever. but what’s funny is the one movie where they completely overdid comedy that undercut the story and stakes was Guardians 3…which is the only “good” recent marvel movie to a lot of fans. so yall don’t even know what you want lmao
Marvel comics is now trying to backpedal the implied hookup between Cyclops and Wolverine, thank god. Marvel comics decisions in the last decade has ran off a lot of us old school fans
Point of order: They *can* melt things through sustained friction, but that isn't common and won't occur after a single quick (or even prolonged) blast.
I've been involved with alt-right politics and activism for ten years and I haven't heard anyone relate to the actual mutants as any kind of "master race". Rather, we often relate to the humans who don't want mutants, be they benevolent or malicious, watching over them, seeing as how unpredictable their powers AND allegiances are. And that's if we like comics at all! Most people on the far-right do not care about Marvel/DC whatsoever. We much prefer anime/manga.
You forgot a big one. Don’t make everything dependent on just Wolverine. It’s an ensemble.
Let Wolverine be a short king please
You forgot to mention how dirty they did Rogue in the past live action movies, I want her to be a bad ass!
no disappointment there.
yesss, she’s become one of my favourite x men because of the show when i found her and many of the other live action counterparts super boring (i’m not a comic reader so i didnt have context of what she’s like previously)
100%!!!! I have LOVED Rogue since I started reading comics, at 12 years old. These days I'm more a DC Comics girly, but X-Men ALWAYS will be my first superhero team, and Rogue and Gambit my #1 ship. I LOVE the CONFIDENT, Southern belle, bull-in-a-china-shop Rogue. The sassy one, who will happily show off, cuz she KNOWS she's cute, and can kick ass. I have HATED EVERY iteration of Rogue, in live action media, except the fanmade things, like the Deadpool musical videos. T-T
She's such a complex and tragic character, from the emergence of her powers and the isolation they bring to her abusive relationship with Mystique and reluctant life as a villain to her gaining Ms. Marvel's powers and the abilities they granted her and the guilt that drives her as a heroine. All of that was smooshed flat. Hell, they even butchered her accent... Not as bad as Halle Barry's Ororo...
X-Men 97 sneaked in an actual 'Secret Invasion' storyline when the average joes turned in to Prime Sentinels. Smart writing there...
They did it first.
In the comics, 1997's Operation: Zero Tolerance storyline was Secret Invasion before Secret Invasion, with this exact premise of Sentinels hiding in plain sight, even among the X-Men's friends and allies.
@@ingonyama70 Yeah true... i just wished that the mcu adaptation of Secret Invasion was just as good, if not better than XM97 ep. 108.
It is awesome, uplifting, but also so many feels. Powerful, moving, and incredible. 97 has meant so much to everyone. Every episode is a treasure, a masterpiece
X-Men '97 is peak Marvel. Tbh, I don't care about another live action adaptation, just ready for season 2.
Simple request: Can we get some Kitty Pryde? She was in X3 and Days but there's so much more we could do with her.
After the Pryde of the X-Men pilot flopped as hard as it did in 89, the showrunners for the original 1992 series wanted to distance themselves from it as much as possible. They turned Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Dazzler - some of the most popular X-Men at the time, yes, even Dazzler - from team mainstays into guest characters, and cut Kitty Pryde out of the story altogether, giving her role as the naive newcomer to Jubilee. So she probably won't be in X-Men 97.
Though since Nightcrawler is now a mainstay of the team, I'm not 100% certain that Kitty WON'T join, as they did a decent job with her in both X-Men Evolution (from Season 2 onwards, anyway) and Wolverine and the X-Men (as long as we don't talk about the hairstyle).
If Marvel is NOT just porting the X-Men '97 team over to the MCU, then yes, I'd argue that Kitty deserves a spot on the team. Though honestly, the real appeal of Kitty is how much she grew during her time with the team and I do not know if a movie franchise can tackle that with only 3 hours to tell each story.
She’s such an important member and I hate that they keep pretending she doesn’t exist 😭 however I have hope that they’ll introduce her in 97 …maybe season 2
When I saw Nightcrawler in the opening credits of 97’, it gave me hope that they can add anyone to the team. It use to irk me (even as a kid) when Colossus, Angel and Iceman were just cameo characters. My hope is that 97’ will continue to add members to the team in the upcoming seasons (including Kitty). I want that opening intro to be 20 characters deep if possible!
Glad she got a mention in the last episode of 97.
@@justinjacobs1501 Not even a verbal mention, just an acknowledgment of her existence! Well, better than nothing I suppose.
Such a refreshing series. And my boy Nightcrawler 👏 👏👏👏👏
Shut up
YES! I was so happy to see him kick ass in ep 8. Him and Gambit r my fav mutants of all time the devotion to beliefs nightcrawler has and Gambits devotion to his chosen family is amazing
@@mathewsmith8031 yes, this sentiment exactly is how I feel for them as well.
Kurt is such a great character! I love that they made him such a bamf. The Wolvie teleport--chef's kiss. They could use him to introduce Excalibur.
Yes, hair should fly 24/7 for people like Jean and Storm
Lesson #1… Keep Taika Watiti as far away as possible
Unless it's a Mojoworld story, then I can't imagine anyone else better for the job.
@@ingonyama70it better not be a Mojoworld story. Those are always terrible
Nonsense. Thor:Ragnorak is a top-5 MCU film.
he made the best thor movie. please hush. you’re acting like he’s completely useless. HE LITERALLY MADE THE BEST THOR MOVIE
Taika Waiti is overhyped
3:03 this joke actually made a lot of sense if not for deleted scenes.
There were lots of scenes where Toad would say "you know when happens to a toad when it falls from a great height?" And then hear him chatter about an interesting toad fact and then later "you know what happens to a toad at very high heat? Well" and then on and on and on about toad facts that everyone hates and then it would end with (what I feel would have worked well with all the other lines left in) "when struck by lightning? Same thing that happens to everything else" but the complete setup was cut out of the movie.
So why leave the one terrible line lol
Lmao that actually wouldn’t have been that bad as she was just making fun of him. The way it is now she just made a goofy ass quip and acted like she did something
@@DailyNihilism It was sloppy film making and a lack of respect for the source. Action-wise, they knew Storm was going to take out Toad, could have done a reshoot without the line but with the same action, but decided "eh, fuck it. who cares?" Just saying, I'm still salty about a 6' Logan not knowing who Sabretooth was... We'll not get into the fact that the Aussie didn't even know about the namesake animal...
I truly hope MCU uses XMen 97 as the blueprint for live action moving forward. This is the best they’ve put out so far period .. live action and animation included .
I hope they do something similar with their own take on the MCU X-Men but there's zero hope for the Avengers at this point.😂😂😂
Avengers have had their time to shine and completely fine to move away from them @@carnagerulez312
Man just seeing Spiderman just casually swinging around in the latest episode. Show far more better examples of these characters all sharing the same universe, than MCU in years.
I am done with live Action.
Big NOPE to that.
Legion mentioned. +100 points to Gryffindor
I am LOVING the first season of X-Men '97. I pretty much jumped with glee when I saw Spider-Man make a brief cameo in the second-last episode. The various cameos when Rogue was going searching around really make me hope they plan to continue other series like Spider-Man and Iron Man from the 90's too.
Third-last. There will be 2 more episodes.
same i cheered out loud at like 3am alone in my room lmao
"Super-powered Ralph Bellamy" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Personally i want more Emma frost and the cuckoo’s
If nightcrawler is in the mix they can’t I repeat can’t downplay religion as a whole nightcrawler still has the best lines ever in both animated shows plus make him use swords
Speaking as someone who is NOT Christian in the slightest, Nightcrawler works best when he combines his faith with fun. The 1992 version was all faith, no fun, and the X-Men Evolution version was all fun, no faith. 1997 has almost got him right...they just need to have him stay the course of being both a priest and a swashbuckler.
And I agree, Swordcrawler is best 'Crawler.
Yeah, the point of the X-men is they all come from really different places with different views, politics, faith etc...but they are united for the one cause.
Cyclops optic blasts DO cut and slice. They're concusive, yes, but many creators have had him shoot through the neck of a sentinel or straight up cut wolverines hand off like in Age of Apocalypse. It's amazing how both sides of the laser or concussive argument get it wrong. He's been shown to have both in the comics. A lot
If he focuses the beam narrowly enough, yes, it can cut things.
If an animated story is told in an awesome way, it doesn’t need a live action adaptation. Live action is not superior to animated
KRAKOA ERA? LMAO, The Wolverine and Scott thing has been around BEFORE THAT! Sure, it's COMPLICATED! but there has been times where Wolverine will pick up Scott help him out and take him to a strip club to have him be socially ackward to a lady.
The problem the latest MCU has is that it doesn't want to commit. X-Men 97 has commited in killing characters and advancing storylines, post-Endgame MCU does not want that, just one-issue stories with a lot of jokes. They are not even adapting anyhting at this point (omg Secret Invasion), just writing new stuff with ppl that doesn't know super-heroes or even action (like Echo).
Exactly!. Thank you.
Getting a proper Colossus was very refreshing in both Deadpools, We need a good, lethal ninja trained by Ogun Shadowcat, a properly written MCU Storm, and 97' Nightcrawler was so amazing against those prime sentinels!
I hate to be that guy, but The Phoenix Saga is technically an invention of the 90s cartoon. I mean, the X-Men vs Shi'ar story in the comics was not officially labeled "The Phoenix Saga" (there are no trade papers calling it that). Because the story wasn't really Jean/Phoenix-centric, as the character barely appears in it.
That is why the other adaptations skip over the Phoenix Saga. Because it was never canon to the comics in the first place.
That’s not true. I’m reading the phoenix story now and next is the dark phoenix. Maybe I don’t understand what you mean
@@ebmax55I think OP means the events happend but they weren't a 'Saga'. The 1992 show tied the whole early Claremont run, from Jean becoming Phoenix up until the X-Men's first fight with the Shi'Ar Empire, together into a Saga where originally only loose threads connected those otherwise unrelated events.
@@ingonyama70 Correct. The Phoenix was not the guardian of the M'Kraan Crystal in the comic version of the story. That was some elf-like alien (whose name I forgot).
I'm absolutely enthralled with '97! I love that they've made morph more like their Exiles version, but I would love to see their powers explored more. They can do more than just change into other people like Mystique, let morph go full cartoon shapeshifter like they could in the comics
PREACH! Thank you for pointing all of this out. Oh how I wish the MCU corporate suits would listen to these wise words.
I wonder if MCU will make Cyclops dad a Ravenger? They sound kind of similar to the Star Jammers.
Would love for them to make some arcs 2-4 episodes. They adapted some arcs too quickly and could’ve gone into some depth. Just minor complaint
The season finale is going to be 3 parts. But I agree that Inferno, at least, deserved at least one more episode.
Yeah that would definitely be my only complaint some episodes in the show would definitely better from a longer length time
I don’t care for anything that involves live action and MCU together. Animation is the only form of art that can bring the comic’s story lines to life
Spot on...I rarely agree 100% with these assessments, but you got it spot on here.
They need to keep the emotional roller coaster the series has given us. It’s what keeps me begging for the next episode as soon as the credits start.
I still think the best way Marvel could adapt the X-Men is just go straight into Hickman's X-Men. The first two scenes are of Moria in the original X-Timeline and then the Days of Future's Past timeline. Now we see all mutants on Krakoa with Xavier and Magneto working together and the movie is about the end of this mutant eden where we leave it with Krakoa destroyed, mutants becoming immigrants to new countries, Magneto leading a more militant wing...a Brotherhood...while the X-Men are lead by Xavier. Make it a part of the original stories, but use the Moria's multiple lives as a way to refresh it anew.
They have to rehire Beau DeMayo!!! Disney and Marvel !!!
Lessons that MCU should learn from X-men:
Its an ensemble cast, not the wolverine show. Cyclops, Jean, Rogue, Magneto, Charles, Storm are all characters that could run their own movies. If anything de-emphasis Wolverine.
Xavier is not a perfect person, he screws up.
Give Rogue her super strength and flight. You don't have to do it the Ms Marvel route (I mean I wouldn't mind it personally) but give her those powers.
ITs okay to use mutants people haven't seen. Hell create new ones.
Do either Night of the sentinels or genocia storyline (you can do the original Genocia story first if you want to set up the later part). They HAVE to be threatened by humanity. Magneto should feel like he has a point and that he tried to do it the peaceful way first, second and third time and humanity refuses to accept.
Magneto needs to be front and center. The moment I knew the x-men fox movies screwed up was when Magneto showed up to a mutant rally and no one knew who he was.
Show other teams of mutants. X-force, X-factor, the Morlocks, The Brotherhood.
They did one hell of a job with X-Men 97. I went in with low expectations and each episode blew me away.
What I love about 97 as a whole (not being a 90s kid mind you) is how actually mature the writing is for being what would usually be called a continuation of a kids show. People actually die in 97, they have struggles not just mentally but physically, and most importantly morals are called into question. That is what the MCU should be, and not just an outlet to crack some jokes or push an agenda (I’m looking at you She Hulk).
Horny is a creepy way to describe personal relationships, as if only one dimension of things matters. For instance, it's not the state of being horny that makes the Magneto / Rogue relationship interesting and satisfying. It's the idea that Rouge is being shown able to touch someone, and that Remy loses out. Romance and love dose not equal horny (by the book), as horny is a sexually excited idea more than a comprehensive view of two people together in a relationship. Even Jubilee gets to kiss someone, but jumping straight to "horney" ..... that's creepy.
Well said.
Regardy horny, I hope we see live action Gambit in a crop top.
Exactly. If you want horny, write your own fanfic. There's more to relationships than horny; there would be appropriate outrage if the series only did horny without relationships, romance, and other realistic aspects of attraction, love, and lust.
He was just trying to be funny
That’s because this dude asking disney to be horny is the creep.
Correct! X-Men has always been just hot tea after hot tea. Just keep on spilling it and giving us the drama!
I don't understand why the toad thing is so hated... I think it's brilliant.
Storm is a Goddess figure, and Toad is so far beneath her he doesn't matter at all.
I thought it was a humiliating insult... "You are nothing to me. You could be anything and it wouldn't matter"
same exact way i took it
Hopefully the mcu can do the X-men justice
"Mummy what's that number mean?"
I love that they aren't backing away from stuff like that.
The MCU better take notes!!! X-Men 97 is just nailing it. The writing has been fantastic and all characters are given justice 👏🏽. Those FOX movies could never.
It's in the MCU, same (exec)producer, studio, multiverse, etc, but I get your point.
Between this and Feige's efforts on the original films, there are reasons for high optimism.
3:11 FOR THE RECORD this was supposed to be like her “quippy phrase”. She was supposed to say stuff along the lines of “do you know what happens when X is struck by lightning” a lot more but they cut out all of the other lines of her saying it
Everybody keeps saying the MCU could never do this. It's literally Marvel Studios doing this. They understood the assignment.
Night crawler
9:10 No, that's Magneto
T shirt game is on point in this video.
As excited as I am for a new Live Action depiction of the X-men and mutants in general, I don't want it to come at the expense of animated series like X-men '97. I am all for great animation, and some stories honestly work better in animation, especially when the artists are given the time and direction to really make it pop like they did with '97. This added to the proof that animation can still be serious, and tell serious stories, and you don't have to be live action to make it hit home.
X-Men 97 is great. He needs to write some of the MCU. I don’t like how the current MCU killed off Battlestar when he supposed to get the super Soilder serum before U.S.Agent😳🤦🏾♂️
Very excellent take! I would say x-men 97 excels because it is unapologetically faithful to the comic. The MCU seems to be more and more unrecognizable to the source material. Even What if… seems to more live action related than comic source related
It's faithful when it can be, and deviates when it needs to.
Madelyne and Scott's relationship was a lot more fraught and complicated in the comics, and left Cyclops looking like a grade-A scumbag for years after the fact. He's a lot more sympathetic in 97.
Genosha had zero X-Men there when it was first attacked in E is for Extinction; Xavier sensed it happening but couldn't scramble a team in time, so the X-Men were only able to pick up the pieces and rescue the likes of Emma Frost and Polaris from the rubble. Having Rogue, Gambit, and Madelyne there, as well as lots of people we recognize, made the drama hit so much harder.
And at time of this comment, Bastion's origin has been changed to be much more 'grounded' and less magical than he is in the comics, where magic is involved in making him what he is.
the thing that happened to marvel, is it got Disney'd. They're playing so hard to be likeable, instead of just committing to the comics and source.
this makes no sense at all lol. if they were trying hard to be likable, they would only produce things they know people LOVED. the spent the entire phase 4 experimenting and trying new things. that’s the total opposite of “trying to be liked” lol wtf are you talking about
Your comment makes absolutely zero sense lmao 🤣.
i wish they would do age of apocalypse in either animation or live action.
I can't remember if I replied to you in a different video, but I want to see AOA version of Rogue brought to screen.
we gotta enjoy this while we can bc Disney isn't bringing Beau DeMayo back
who?
They need him back. His writing is perfection for the X-Men.
@@LiquidSnake1988 He was the director of Xmen '97 and was recently fired by Disney for having an Only Fans...I wish I was making this up.
@LiquidSnake1988 Beau DeMayo is the creator and Head writer of Xmen 97
@@kokujinstreamsthat’s not it. he was also apparently extremely toxic to work with and for.
The Xmen should be the more “adult” properties and let the other MCU stuff be the kiddy stuff
Isn't xmen97 technically already mcu. You are asking disney to learn from what they are giving us now.
I think the means a version of the X-Men that could appear in live-action movies alongside folks like the Avengers.
The writer for X-men 97 got fired
Finally nerdist news is coming back, I was missing your extended analysis of episodes and trailers, where were you?
I feel like the script for this video was taken directly from my brain. That is to say, I could not agree more.
Krakoa is literally an etnostate
The main lesson for the MCU is “see? Make something good and people will enjoy it”.
see i only grew up with xmen evolution and the fox movies i had no idea they had space adventures. my god the xmen have so much potential
Give me X23 and Honeybager
Don't forget Jonathan. 😉
Oh Bright Lady, the serup needed for them to work... >.
We seen X23 in Old Man Logan already
Also make Wolverine short again and make sure he's not the only main character. In the live action movies it's basically Wolverine and also all these other people and any time there's a problem Wolverine is the only one who can fix it.
{4:49} - That's so "DEFINITELY" Not Gonna Be Easy... But I Get It?!
Good lord. I literally mentioned to several friends that I am so happy to see an X-men story that IS NOT dark phoenix. I love that X97 is a continuation so that we're getting new actual stories.
I disagree when it comes to the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix saga. The MCU NEEDS to do it. Its too impactful on the team as a whole. Besides that, I want all new stuff like The Fall of The Mutants, Inferno, Age of Apocalypse, etc
i want to see Franklin Richards on the big screen. he had a name drop in the original X-Men live action, now bring him in. and despite what you said...i want Phoenix/Dark Phoenix done properly. that story needs redemption!!!!
You hit the nail on the head.
Herr's a big one for me: The live action mcu X-Men should be a series with the occasional event movie.
There's too many characters with major arcs for movies alone to do justice. X-Men could almost be it's own universe with how many characters and story arcs there are.
97 proved that X-men works best as a series, and even those episodes seemed to have been rushing. Like they didn't have enough run time to do it justice.
An adaptation of Havoc and Wolverine: Meltdown would be dope to give a more grounded story of Logan w/o the weight of the X-Men or Old Man Logan. Hell recast Havoc with Morph to give a buddy road trip vibe with a touch of will they or won’t they sexual tension.
Legion can wink … and it‘s very dark and strange and wonderful.
we’ll watch it anyway whatever they release
🙋🏾♂️ I loved it. The story, and how good it was knocked me for six...
yes the mcu needs to take notes this 97 is excellent we got the drama the multiple relationships. A proper Magneto the man is complicated and has been both a hero a villain and in between. Fox did Cyclops so dirty they basically sidelined him in favor of Wolverine. They can both coexist and they bring different things to the team. Show us a properly done Emma frost she is absolutely awesome, Give us comic accurate costumes. Hell the avengers have them. show us the blue the yellow and everything in between. and for love of god show us the mutant culture we so often see in the comics. Utopia Astroid X, Krakoa choose on down the line. Show us all of these things
Completely agree with that assessment I just don't have enough faith that the MCU *can* do X-Men justice; I really really hope I'm proven wrong! I feel the exact same way about the DC animated work vs the "DCEU"
You nailed this list.
I want to see fatal attractions.
We got one of that storyline's most important events in Episode 7. not the one everyone thinks of when they hear Fatal Attractions, but the global EMP was a BIG part of that arc.
There is SO much material to work with, with the comics, for the X-Men, they could have their OWN MCU broad world...Start with the X-Men, touch on X-Factor, EXcalibur, the Dark X-Men, we already have X-Force, kinda, in the Deadpool movies, etc. And GODS I hope that they do Storm and Rogue justice. If it were the 90's, Iman would've been the PERFECT Storm. T-T
Seeing the mutants as the true master race is a legit viewpoint in universe. It's the view of the Brotherhood of Mutants.......not the guys you want or should side with....
Out of all the Marvel franchises, X-Men has to be the hardest to implement into the MCU. First, because comparisons will be inevitable, but mostly, because the X-Men universe is so FREAKING VAST, it's going to be a nightmare to introduce into the current state of the MCU. Not to mention the amount of characters. Just... who do you pick? There are some safe bets, sure (Professor X, Cyke, Jean, Wolverine, Storm and Magneto), but after that... you've got almost infinite possibilities. I just hope that, if they go for Rogue, they go for both Rogue AND Gambit. The cajun was already my favourite X-Men, but after chapter 5 of X-Men '97?
The most important lesson imo is that they should 1) properly represent the characters they are adapting and 2) push the X-men message, not your own personal agenda on current gender, race or whatever politics the writers think they are rgiht and the others are not on. This is not a story how being LGBTQ or a minority makes you better (that's literally the villain's side of the argument in X-Men) it's about coexistance, acceptance and how both sides can be right and wrong. X-men 97' imo very competently showed various viewing points and various reaction toc ertain things, as well as characters that all had their views somewhat questioned. In the end of the day the X-Men are heroes! They don't represent a specific race, sexuality, gender, they represent EVERYTHING! We came in various different shapes, sizes, colour, everything and none are better because of it. We can all live together peacfully as long as we don't start demanding different treatment, to be glorified in our difference and to push ourselves as the norm. All 3 are currently very VERY popular among emdia and all 3 are unqeustionably the villains in the X-men stories.
Do not confuse the X-men as a vehicle to push an agenda that X is better, that X must be everywhere, hell even that X must be praised and glorified. It's strictly about coexistance and acceptance.
And to even more offensively and bluntly put it don't raceswap character X, don't genderswap character X, the X-men roster is so diverse that you can find those characters. Use them if you do it well we'll love it! But keep in mind diversity includes all groups - asian and white men and women too. I really thing the X-men 07 roster has a pretty good diversity for a live action adaptation. Perhaps leave Bishop for a future intorduction and have Forge in from the start. Or hell give us Spyke I'm down for some Evolution representation. ;)
And to be honest I think they should take it slow. As in build a new MCU on the X-men's back. Start with a smaller story, tehy ar ejust gettin introduced. I feel it's best to have the school and the borhterhood as a start. Grow into a side plot as a second movie but keep Magneto and the brotherhood involved.Perhaps Sinister, or actually Mojo would be perfect. Then finish the trilogy with a final showdown between X-men and the Brotherhood of mutants. After that you cna continue with outer space stories and perhaps bench Magneto and the Professor for the second trilogy as a fall-out from the third move. Involve the X-men more with Avengers and other stories in phase 2 and so on. The earliest you can start thinking about Dark Phoenix should be the thrid phase of this new MCU. Why not Avengers vs X-men storyline as a whole. Would be cool if done properly. It has the potential to be Civli War II (not the Civil War II comic, the movie equivalent I mean).
The throuple thing is not in the comics. There were vague references that fans assumed meant that, but theres been nothing explicit that scott, jean, and logan were a couple. The only vaguely explicit thing was a scene with logan and jean in a jacuzzi but really thats it. I think it was a cute little joke that fans took way too far while theres very little in the book.
I would actually like the MCU to base their X-Men on X-Men Evolution at the beginning. Then they can become more like X-Men 97 after a couple of years.
Nooo.....and besides you pretty much got that in Xmen first class.....besides are they suppose to do a time jump an hour into the movie....MCU can take the idea of Jubliee at the mall....and go from there
Jubilee and Sunspot in the gaming episode.
You shouldn't try to adapt a whole comic book arc. To envoled and only fun for someone who read and liked
The line up should be the xmen 97 version
This guy doesn’t get it. Anyone can be a fan of x-men and can understand their plight. Race doesn’t matter. At some point in everyone’s life, they feel like an outsider. Don’t make this about race or sexual orientation.
I hope that after everything is rebooted, they can make animation tell the stories of the characters BETWEEN the movies to supplement a cohesive character arc throughout. Disney can do this with ALL of its MCU major characters. Let the animation do some crossovers and fix plotholes between the big live-action movies (like Dtar Wars had done). The best part of playing with my action figures as a kid was imagining what could happen when different characters have to work together or just hang out after "work."
Preach! 👏👏👏
Loved that you called out right wing nut jobs trying to appropriate a “woke” comic. 💪
"Well that just happened." Is not a problem.
It is when everyone says it, or something like it, every film.
A comedic character who undercuts serious moments, like Spider-Man, Iron Man, Jubilee, or Morph, is fine. But when every character is like that all the time, it sterts robbing even serious moments of their gravitas. There's a time for levity and a time for drama, and the MCU has only realized the power of truly dramatic moments that aren't done away with in a single glib comment relatively recently.
I'm not saying the pendulum should swing the other way and the movies NEVER be funny - I despised the DCEU until Aquaman and Shazam brought some much-needed lightness to what I saw as a dark, depressing universe. But there's a balance that neither company has quite managed to strike yet.
@ingonyama70 Thank you. This reply makes your issue a little clearer for me👍🏾. Balance is always key in life & art. I still have less of an issue with it than you do. I just don't necessarily see it as "undercutting". Often, it's just a natural response. It's how people I know react to "similar" situations. It was also a very good way to bring the mass audience into that world when they weren't that keen to. "What do they call you, wheels?" That was invaluable at a time when these films were fighting their way back. ( slightly different instance).
The MCU has had many uninterrupted dramatic moments since Iron Man & a few genius, perfectly complimented dramatic parts flashing to humour in Ragnarok (when he's on his game Taila is a master at it).
I see your point, I just genuinely find that if there's a scale going 1-10, I'm just a couple of units away from you.
Thanks again for the detailed reply.🖖🏾
@@ingonyama70this idea that EVERYONE in the mcu is quipping 24/7 needs to die. it’s simply not true. everything in the mcu is not a joke ALL the time. they didn’t quip through wakanda forever. but what’s funny is the one movie where they completely overdid comedy that undercut the story and stakes was Guardians 3…which is the only “good” recent marvel movie to a lot of fans. so yall don’t even know what you want lmao
Marvel comics is now trying to backpedal the implied hookup between Cyclops and Wolverine, thank god. Marvel comics decisions in the last decade has ran off a lot of us old school fans
8:31 Cyclops Optic Blast is like equal to Ryu's Hadoken from Street fighter🤔🤗
Point of order: They *can* melt things through sustained friction, but that isn't common and won't occur after a single quick (or even prolonged) blast.
THIS. 100%
Eye lighsabers would be pretty cool
I've been involved with alt-right politics and activism for ten years and I haven't heard anyone relate to the actual mutants as any kind of "master race". Rather, we often relate to the humans who don't want mutants, be they benevolent or malicious, watching over them, seeing as how unpredictable their powers AND allegiances are.
And that's if we like comics at all! Most people on the far-right do not care about Marvel/DC whatsoever. We much prefer anime/manga.
Well, that was an interesting way to fix the immediate problem, degauss everything.
But the blast can cut things like in the movie where he cuts a tree down
Yeah x men 97 is crazy. I saw this 4 times already.
I honestly feel like they should start the team with the true original 5 and then go from there
Amen!
Well said. Every point. I feel like the MCU would be revitalized if they did movies of the X-Men that are true to the source material.