The Messed Up Origins of RAGNAROK | Norse Mythology Explained
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Does Skadi fight in ragnarok in Norse myth
Mr. Solo, I got bot-ed again.
The reason Baldur's death causes Fimbulwinter is not only because his death is prophesized to be the final sign of Ragnarok it is because Baldur is the God of Light, his death causes the Sun and Moon to be devoured leaving no light to warm the Realms and in doing so Winter sets in and never leaves. It is said to become so cold that even Yggdrasil's branches start shattering and all bonds both physical and emotional unravel. It is this cold which turn Gleipnir and Loki's chains fragile enough for both Loki and Fenrir to escape, both with a vengeance against the Gods. An entire series of Dominoes are lined up and they all start to fall into place with the death of Baldur who is the Lord of Light.
Cool, I’ve never heard that about Fimbulwinter before. Almost sounds like a parallel to when Kratos killed Helios in GoW 3 which caused the sun to be blocked by the clouds and eventually famine and chaos spreading through Greece.
Thank you, I honestly had no clue what specific role Baldur filled in the Norse pantheon. Because yeah the symbolic death of the light that warms the realms is a good reason for long as heck winter.
@@theoleivald7388 The key difference between the Greek and Norse worlds is that the default for the Greeks was chaos a primordial ooze state always in motion and out of control. It is the gods who manufacture order while in the Norse realm the universal default is cold and nothingness in the ginnungagap and the gods manufactured warmth to stave off that cold. The Greek world starts as too much action, the Norse world starts as inaction or emptiness between Muspel and Niffle
@@phenomcosmic450 That I can agree on since I live in cold cold Sweden and every winter here feels like Fimbulwinter🥶
But cool, sounds like Greek and Norse mythology are in some ways complete opposite’s in some ways.
But isn't Frey the god of summer where is he since he represent the middle ground in the story.
I love how the writers managed to stay grounded to the original story whilst still making their own. Usually with this sort of thing it's either an attempted 1:1 copy , or a completely different story with a few of the original names sprinkled in.
Me too. That exact fact is what kept me interested.. they did an assassins creed style job of changing history for fun in a "what if the bad guy won?" kind of approach to re telling the tales.. and while the GOW writer really did terrible job executing some of the fictional tales,it kept me interested still.
Some people were upset with that because they felt they took too many liberties but I liked it honestly
I like to think the last 9 steps taken by Thor is him going through every realm until he reaches the realm he is standing in.
Could you please do some Asian mythology sometime? You’ve taught mythologies better than google ever could for me.
I 100% agree that Fimbulvetr was an actual historical event. I had watched a Weird History video on 546 AD and I just made the connections in my head.
And as a man of faith, I believe that these gods from different cultures actually existed as either fallen angels, or Nephilim. Mythology is so interesting and I wish the Roman Catholics had left the history untouched.
I get the feeling that Ragnarok symbolises the end of Norse mythology and the beginning of Christianity in Scandinavia. “Brothers killing brothers and father killing sons” might be family’s getting divided due to some members converting while other don’t, which led to conflict and murder. Also that thing about a greater god than Odin sounds a bit like the Christian god taking the Norse gods place just like I previously wrote.
This is just my theory and I might as well be wrong but I do think it’s interesting how Norse mythology has a very detailed story of its own end, so it almost had to happen in some shape or form and later became a part of the greater mythology.
I agree, and only two humans remain to repopulate the world. That sounds like Adam and Eve to me.
Depending on which version of the story you read you might be right. Since some of the newer stories of ragnarok from that time might have be slightly under Christian influence
16:09 I just want to bring up something around this time in the video: GOW 2018 & Ragnarok referenced the Thor/Eitr thing. (Eitr is the name of Jormie's venom)
In GOW 2018, when you first meet Jormie by throwing your axe into the lake, he spits it back at you, with a message that pops up that says "Eitr imbued."
This gets carried over to GOW Ragnarok when Thor and Kratos fights. You see, normally, Thor can recover from any wound like it's nothing. But when Kratos struck him in the stomach with the Leviathan, that wound never healed.
I didnt noticed that! That's cool. This whole time I was wondering why his wound didn't heal. I know there was a line of dialogue about Forsetti believing Thor was poisoned but I didn't know what that was about or what part of the story I missed. Thanks!
@@michaelpenirelli9003 anytime my friend. You really got to love all of these really cool references and attention to detail that Santa Monica has with this game and the real life mythologies
One of my favorite representations of Ragnarok in gaming is Odin Sphere. It's not super accurate to the Eddas, but it uses elements of the Norse endtimes in very creative ways (like with Fimbulvetr being an actual character who dies before the apocalypse could begin or how they interpret the Surtr character versus Yggdrasil).
I mean, in the original myth one brother is killed by another, which is mentioned as fimbulvetr's everyday routine, additionally, there may be connection between grieving Baldur's mother, who is associated with nature, just like ancient greeks associated winter season with Persephone's mother grief over her in the Hades' realm.
You should do mythology of other video games franchises, even if they don't have lore outside their respective games. Like Zelda and Elder Scrolls, they have huge lore bases. Neat video!
Facts
He does videos on mythology, not video games.
That would be cool.
@@oentrepreneurDoesn't mean he can't branch out, he used to do videos on nursery rhymes and fairytales then started doing mythology over time so he can do videogames just as easy.
@mijaroprime9509 It seems like no matter what kind of comment some makes there's always someone to crap all over it. Usually some miserable know it all that likes to be snide.
One thing you forgot to mention: In the myths, Ratatoskr is responsible because of his little gossip war between Nidhogg and someone else on the world tree that I forgot the name of
The eagles that are perched up in Yggdrasil
@@belizeankage Thanks
been waiting for the video for the last couple of months I’m very happy it’s finally out
I'm early and I love it!
thank you Jon.
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Richard Wagner in his Ring calls it Götterdämmerung and it features the famous Siegfried's Funeral March.
I'd love to see more Irish Celtic lore covered. Have you considered doing a video on Morrigan?
Woahh, I literally just finished God of War: Ragnorok this morning! Amazing timing, Jon Solo!! 😄
I’ve always loved mythology specifically Greek but because of marvel and other things I grew and interest in Thor and the folklore of the nords. Great vid as always very informative and the fact that ragnorok may have very likey been a real even is not only mind blowing but seriously awesome to have real life inspiration
Love Norse myths
My personal opinion:
Ragnarök is not yet to come, it has already happened. Remember how we were told that in the very beginning, earth was nothing but fire and flames? That's the state it was left in after being burned by Surtrs' flames. And I can't be the only one recognizing how similar the names "Líf" and "Eve" sound...
You're amazing Jon!!! Don't ever stop being your nerdy self!
Um...yeah you were so so right. This was an episode worth the wait and the watch. I love all your videos. But this one was top notch. Remember I shot 2nd. Lol 🍻 ❤
Thanks Jon for another video!
In Christianity it is said that God is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end.
In Norse mythology, Surtr takes that role: He was born from the fires of Muspelheim and became the very first being existing in all the realms, along with his sword. He swung it in training, sending sparks and flames flying; which melted and carved the ice in Jötunheim, creating Ymir, the first of the Frost Giants (along with the primordial cow Audhumbla)
At Rgnarök, he will engulf all worlds in flames and ends what he created!
Finished the game yesterday evening at 10pm. Really excited for this video.
FINALLYYYY A LONG VIDEOOOO AHHHH I AM SCREAMING THANK YOU LORD
Im at the beginning of the video deeply thinking about how to actually get a burger to a chimp at a zoo. I don’t think there is an easy way without being kicked out of the zoo. But you can probably quickly chuck one over the top of a large glass if there is one or through a chain link fence maybe.
"That's fimbulwinter for ya."
I was just watching the live streams you did on this game the other day
❤Awesome as always thanks love your videos
It’s Viking time!
THANK YOU JON
This Ragnarok organ story is great.
This ones gonna be very interesting
A lot of researchers think Fimbulwinter was based on the volcanic eruption of 536, and it probably is the most likely answer
It was brought on when a couple of lawyers got Odin being obsessed with fresh linen sheets, ad the powerful new god come from a discarded fridge. ( Douglas Adams )
Love the video can we get a Gargoyle breakdowns
another nice detail that is VERY easy to overlook and forget about because its a blink and you miss it moment thats never ever talked about in any way ever again lol. In the first game when kratos throws his axe into the water and awakens the world serpent he spits it back to kratos and there is a text pop up that says eityr imbued. It never means anything for the entire game itself but apparently that just means poison. So while jormungandr never technically kills thor in the game ragnarok he does indirectly lead to thors death all the same when the poison left on kratos' axe wounds thors belly. It never heals for this reason. Thor is being slowly weakened and killed over time to the point where he cannot beat kratos anymore despite easily killing kratos the first time without going super electrical powered up like he did at the end. Allowing odin to make the final blow on him.
You could also do a video on the Daoine Sidhe, Irish fairies, and the Tuatha De Danann
Jon, You should take a look at the NZ show “The Almighty Johnsons” and evaluate they’re interpretations of Norse Myth!
Seeing Kratos and Loktreus take down Odin was chef kisses
I believe a lot of these stories from ancient cultures all over the world relate to apocalyptic events of the end of the Younger Dryas.
The events brought us into the Older Wetass
Noice one lol
I liked it thought it was nicely done
Yes we want to see more of RAGNAROK
Ragnarok has arrived
I picked up the Edda's about a year ago, I didn't even think to check about the translators. The Poetic Edda that I have is translated by Lee M. Hollander, the Prose is translated by Jesse Byock. Where do you go to find out which versions are more reliable? Now I'm scared I've been reading the wrong ones lol
I hope one day I’ll be able to write a story that takes place after the events of Ragnarok. I think it would be a pretty cool idea and a lot could be done with it based on simply who isn’t given a fate in the myth.
Like did you know it’s likely in the original myth Freya could have survived Ragnarok? Simply because she doesn’t have a set in stone fate in the prophecy.
That would be interesting. Can you imagine if it can become an indie game?
In Norse mythology multiple gods like the goddess of love wasn't allowed to participate in Ragnarok that way humanity would still have an understanding of love and guidance after Ragnarok
This is kinda nostalgic. Up here in Scandinavia a lot of us grew up with these stories.
My fav game ever. So beautiful and so perfect for me
Jesus doing the crossover on a demon was hilarious. 😂😂😂😂 24:38
My depiction of Ragnarök includes Bizet's Carmen, Leoncavallo's I Pagliacci, Michel Fokine's Version of Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade, Puccini's Tosca, and Orff's Carmina Burana.
Please, Can you do more game/anime/TV show and the myths and legends that inspired them?
Even just once in a blue moon.
☝
Please cover netflix's Ragnarok. It's one of my favorite shows and I love their betrayal of loki and thor
So I know Jon asked specifically about depictions of Ragnarok in pop culture, but something I've really been wanting his perspective on is how the shows Hercules and Xena interpreted the various mythologies they crossed paths with, especially since Hercules not only inadvertently caused Ragnarok, but also undid it. Because reasons. Oh and Xena killed almost all the Greek gods. Again, because reasons.
Valkyrie Profile is another game with Ragnarok in it. The original game, aka Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth has it as the endgame.
Maybe them retiring the eagle is a setup for Hel in the dlc. I heard ragnarok was bout to get one, and this would be perfect
Your next video should be on elves on Norse mythology, Alfar, and Ljosalfar
In Götterdämmerung, Siegfried goes to the hall of the Gibichungs (Gunther and Gutrune), is easily corrupted, forgets about Brünnhilde, and meets his end at the hands of Hagen (Son of Alberich). Brünnhilde gives back the ring to the Rhine Maidens with her sacrifice for love, paving the way for a new world of hope and love, cleansed of evil.
Keaton and friends looks like a happy fun group to be around until you realize that you’re a Norse god and Kratos is angy at you.
That volcano erruption sounds like Yellowstone volcano. Its said that exactly the same thing should happen if Yellowstone errupts.
I always thought it would be cooler if Tyr was the one to face down Fenrir, a final climactic yet reluctant battle between former friends. I could just picture them both meeting on the field of battle as tears of remorse shed from their eyes as they prepare to deadlock for a final clash, neither of them wishing to fight, but both knowing they are fated to die opposing one another.
You remind me of "Zeus Grants Stupid Wishes" A No-Bullshit Guide to World Mythology
13:00 I REALLY hope Astraeus gets a solo game!!!
Winter is coming!
Could you do a Norse mythology comparison between AC:Valhalla, GOW: Ragnarok, & the edas? I'm curious how similar the games are compared to the edas.
Would you do a video on Lyssa/Lytta the greek goddess of Mad-Rage and Fury? I am a photographer and I am doing some pieces on feminine rage and I think could be a perfect subject / Inspiration with a unique twist but I can't find much in her when I do my research.
Good story
You should do American Gods the ones you haven’t covered Breakdown
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Can we just say how screwed Jörmungandr is in the game just an endless cycle of being reborn just to get punched back in time for pretty much eternity
Good episode, now I know where the inspiration for Adam and Eve came from. I've always been curious about the Olympian version of Ragnarok and how it compares to Ragnarok. In Xena: Warrior Princess, it is depicted and they call it The Twilight and I've always wondered how accurate that is to actual stories in the mythos or was that just a made-up idea in the show for the sake of a plotline?
What if the god of war games are just the story of how kratos be come God
I didn't even get a notification yet I just happened to see it it's fate
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God of war ragnorok is one of the best games ever made
I think the Nords were right, when the great Baldur dies, Fimblvetr will arise.
An alpha winter4 doesnt sound too farfetched to me.
I believe that in the next dlcs or next game we will see 6 gods wanting revenge against Kratos and the death of the Gods and destruction of Asgard like:
Forseti,Vidar,Vali,Hela,Hermod And finally, Loki/Atreus himself now as a villain and an adult would be incredible to see + Norse kings and heroes Who can also become news threats and allies as: Gylfi,Fjolnir,Helgi Hundingsbane,Beowulf & Siegfried/Sigurd and peaceful Gods of good that did not appear in the 2 games And they could be allies of Kratos,Mimir,Tyr and Freya such as:
Bragi and his wife Idunn,Nana,Meili And finally Ullr and Hodr the Baldur's twin brother and blind God Along with The Return of the Dead Gods and more humans and Valkyries to explore like:
Sigyn,Hlin,Fulla,Gefjunn,Bill,Saga,Brunhild etc.. It would be amazing to see them all make a video about possible Villains,Valkyries,Creatures,Gods and Kings That may appear in the future 🤔😌👍🙏🙏 like and Bye!
Hey Jon considering that at the end of god of war ragnoroke has Atreus go off on his own to search for the rest of the giants across the whole world maybe it could be an interesting and fun idea to make videos about mythologies that have giants or giant like beings in them and in tern that could potentially work as a bit of theory crafting for what the next god of war game be depending on what we might get next.
Just a thought.
I love thinking of how language can sound to an unfamiliar ear (example: Spanish and Japanese can sound surprisingly similar if you’re not paying attention, or how German sometimes sounds like English but then makes you go, “…wait what?” And I can’t help but think Norse language sounds like English backwards and I keep laughing inappropriately 😅
Yes, I am a silly child who thinks I am fun at parties.
Awesome and cool! ^_^
I was saying the entire time "sooooo the little ice age then you basically confirmed it"
I think the theory on the Ragnarok stemming from real life disaster in the years after 536 is spot on. Scandinavian scientists, historians and archeologists agree with that theory. Half of Scandinavia`s population died to starvation, the cold and causes related to those factors. I will bet the survivers told the tale to their children of that horrible calamity and it was such a horrifying tale, that it became a myth about the end of time.
The animation is cool 😎
A lot of the tale reminds me of the events leading up to a solar micronova, although it would have taken place much earlier than the volcanic eruptions mentioned. Who knows?
you know when it comes to god of war i get why people get the impression its trying to be accurate to the myths but you have to remember the previous games they have always been fast and loose with accuracy its pretty clear to me that god of war takes place in its own universe just with some familiar elements baked in
It's entirely possible that that horrible time where the sky darkened and everything went cold could have been seen as the winter after Ragnarok
As always "Jon shot first!"
I believe (and this is just my interpretation) That Vidar is the Ruler mightier than Odin. He's the only one who both battles in AND survives Ragnarok. He succeeds against the monster that slew his father Odin himself (thus fulfilling his role in avenging his kin). His name means 'Wide-Ruler' and his pouring a drink for the father of the monster he slays (Loki) can be thought of as foreshadowing. I think he's an excellent candidate for maintaining cosmic order in this new world.
I love how you dissect mythology.
I have, for a long time, felt that most stories of the apocalypse are both of events behind us and likely written down by old men who did too many shrooms. The visions described are absolutely incredible and out of this world. But then we look at our DNA and see that we have been through genetic bottlenecks. Times when our species was whittled down to a handful of survivors of some great tragedy. An apocalypse if you will. I doubt the event involved a wolf large enough to eat the sun and the moon, or a war amongst the good, or even a beast with four heads...but stories have a way of growing. And then we grow to love them in their outlandishness.
Love the reference you made to the battle of Thermopylae; arrows blocking out the sun. Nice 👍🏼
Noticed the feathers on the Valkeries….repurposed roosters?
i'm hoping to eventually write my own take on Ragnarok as part of a larger narrative that tries to reconcile as much of mythology as possible, and that one in particular would actually have it that it already happened and was "only" misremembered as a forthcoming apocalypse, the truth of it actually being that it was the destruction of Atlantis. i think what ultimately inspired that is reading that Midgard would sink into the sea at the end of Ragnarok, reminding me of Atlantis and so i decided to use that basic idea to reconcile alot of Norse mythology by basically shrinking its scale. alot of the other mythologies are justified to each other in similar ways, as well as a fair bit of it being based on how they developed as religions.
I bet Fjalar would make some amazing Kentucky style fried chicken. His human companion looks like a Norse Colonel Sanders.
07:34
Finally
I hope Jon will make another Ragnarok analogy from Egypt or Asian culture. The World Tree preserved somehow is the reason why the end of the world will happen. Many cultural appropriations have common factors that does indicate how it will happen...
Ragnarok would make for a badass heavy metal movie.
I beat gow ragnorok 5 time and never noice the hel boat haha nice eye solo😊
Thanks Jon love your break downs.👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
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Bragi,Idunn,Njord,Ran,Aegir,Forseti,Nana,Hodr/Hoder and Ullr/Uller Along with the Odin's brothers Hoenir,Vili and Vê They exist in the God of war universe But they haven't appeared yet but there are Quotes/references to them but nothing about Hermod,Meili and Vidar & Vali Along with the heroes Beowulf and Siegfried/ Sigurd If they will exist or appear in the next dlcs or next game Imagine the Forseti,Vidar,Vali,Hermod,Hel,the Loki/Atreus He is an adult himself being the next villains With the help of the heroes Beowulf & Siegfried/Sigurd and also the Valkyries and the animals of the Gods Like the Freyr's boar,Thor's goats and Odin's wolves and horse I hope it happens.. UwU Make a video about these forgotten Gods In the game universe 🤔😌👍🥲🥺🙏🙏 like and Bye!
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