I finally completed my build yesterday. 13:1 SHS gears, shs high torque 16tpa, btc chimera mk2, m110 spring, and then everything else is lonex. Around 30ish rps at 380fps with a .2, Trigger response is ridiculous, literally a polarstar or very very close to it. Using a 11.1v 4500mah 30c
speedyboig oh definitely. Most motors that pull that TPA don’t spin as fast but your tigger response alone will be that of an HPA gun if you use a ASG Infinity motor.
You still want the 10:1 ssg set, aby upgrade to increase longevity, pme prevention, and a good motor if your gun doesnt have one. Cyma and lct ak's are the worst offenders.
My main used to be a valken pdw allow. First airsoft gun ever. Ran 11.1 in it for 3 months cuz they said I could. It broke one day at the field, didn't touch it for MONTHS. Eventually decided I'm gonna fix my gun since I couldn't afford a new one at that time. And your videos basically got me where I'm at almost a year later. Taking it apart I saw the bearing on the bevel was missing balls and the piston head, air nozzle and tappet plate were SHATTERED. 18/1, delayed chip, bushings, reshimmed, regreased, 16awg rewire with a gate nanohard mosfet, micro switch, new piston head and new air nozzle. On a 7.4 (will never run a 11.1 again) I achieve 16 rps at 384-389fps. And I mean if I shoot thru my chrono 30 times the only two number that show up are 384 and 389. It just jumps back and forth between those two numbers and it blows my mind! My indoor spring was 357.5 LITTERALY 15 shots in a row. No deviations. THANK YOU FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE!!!! Also it was a random kwa motor I pulled from a broken gun and it turns out they run 45-60 dollars and it's a high torque! Makes sense. I have like damn near the same set up in my indoor gun, weaker spring but has the ics 3000 and it only gets 13rps.
Trigger response is vastly under-rated by the air soft world. We call this lock time in tactical bolt action rifles...and the best rifles now have lock times of around 1 millisecond....Compare that the time it takes for the mechanicals to active and send the bb is a stock air soft rifle! What 1/2 second? lol This is why so many airsoft snipers use bolt (spring) actions. Yes they are a little more accurate, but more important is being able to send the BB at the exact microsecond the sight crosses the target. Any improvement here is welcome! The quality and the consistency of the trigger break are still none existent in air soft...A clean and consistent break is fundamental to marksmanship in that is creates solid and repeatable muscle memory. Muscle memory is what allows us to quickly and accurately engage a target without thought. Any improvement here creates a more consistent, more accurate, rifleman....Gun be damned, the nut behind the trigger is always the decisive element....Food for thought!
I would say closer to 1/8 a second but yeah the lockup time for airsoft guns can be annoying. One reason why I use mostly gas blowbacks. I don't use many rounds per game so the $50 magazines aren't that big of a deal. That said, good marksmanship would be able to make good hits even with a poor lockup. Unlike a firearm, there is no recoil with an AEG. On an open bolt SMG or LMG the lockup is similar to an AEG but upon dropping the bolt the gun is bounced upward slightly. With an AEG there is no movement imparted by the gun so if your POA stays true, your POI will be precise.
I've got a build that I'm pretty happy with, and it is not an angled build at all, just a straight up high performance build that gives me lightning response (faster than 2012 Systemas) on a 2mm trigger pull (it's like clicking a mouse). 38 bps RoF at 440 FPS on an 11.1V, 3000mAh, 40C LiPo battery. It's essentially this: Chimera FET 12:1 Gear Ratio (SHS) Dream Army Ultra Torque motor Shimmed trigger (the Chimera FET uses a micro switch button) 11.1V, 40C LiPo Overall reinforced components, hours of shimming and a very, very, very airtight cylinder/piston/nozzle, cylinder ported to the barrel volume + 25%. Rifle itself is a VFC 416, not that it matters... I use it exclusively for semi-auto shooting since I hate players who hose away bbs and end up hitting someone 50 times in the face, but the RoF is still there for punishment ;)
semaarairsoft123 make sure The motor is running smoothly IE proper shimming and motor height. Other than that theres is really not Much to do. The motor has its efficiency. Some energy always gets lost as heat
rof doesnt matter to meet at all really, 20 is more than enough, as it saves ammo, and semi is just fine. i build my guns with range and accuarcy, i refuse to use a gun before i stick in an r hop
Interesting video. Thanks for the info. I recently built my Lonex gun gearbox again using an ASCU2 trigger unit/FET and because I use the Lonex A1 motor, I got to delete the anti-reversal latch. The gearbox sounds so much better now! Love it. I also combined a SPEED trigger lever with the ASCU2 FET, low resistance wiring and a set of 16:1 gears and the gun it so fun to shoot now! Yeah I could trade out some of the parts and increase the trigger response a bit, but I'm done spending money on that gun and honestly, its a lot of fun to shoot! I think the biggest factor in gaining trigger response is the MOSFET you use. Not all FETs are the same. The FETs that also include the micro-switches that take the place of the horrid, old school trigger contacts are the best. The old, arching trigger contacts are the worst part of any AEG. They always fail. And if you play a lot of MILSIM type games like I do where full-auto is only for SAWs, then having a micro-switch trigger system will save you a lot of pain and broken guns. I have two guns now with the micro-switch systems. Both are dreams to shoot.
Your assumption that higher TPA motors yield proportionally faster trigger response is false. There is a point that more torque is slower on semi. If you do some research on Airsoft Mechanics, youd find that the fastest trigger response is achieved when your gun almost double shoots (precocks after one shot). If you keep increaseing the torque, you will get less and less overspin becuase the motor RPM is slowing down. I built a 32 tpa motor with neodymium magnets and it was SLOW, i would need a DSG to get the same trigger response i have now. I shot my AEG along side your 7.4, 11.1 and 14.8v and my trigger response with a 7.4 was about the same maybe a bit faster, my 11.1 was faster, and when you used the 14.8v it was exactly what mine was with an 11.v 50c 3.3 Amp. Build list: shs 15t m110 spring 18.72 to 1 gears ZCI 22 tpa (actually 19 tpa) apex python mosfet (16 gauge wire) I almost get double shots on semi with an 11.1 (never do though), so it precocks at least halfway with an 11.1), can't get much faster than that. I spent $30 for the ZCI hightorque, and 34 for the apex python, maybe $20 for the 11.1, and tuned everything perfectly. rate of fire with 11.1 is 25 rps.
Some people like myself highly dislike any overspin as it feels inconsistent and just weird. Pre-cocking with a mosfet is fine because it is the same every trigger pull but anything else is a bit crappy for me..
Great video and yes there is a difference in trigger response with different battery voltage. I have a 13:1 shs gears and shs ht motor with m120 with btc and its the bomb. Normally run a 7.4v and for more ROF 11.1v. Keep the good videos rolling. . Thanks for them.
When you reference another one of your videos, put a pop up link for it in the corner or in the description. Also, products you recommend for certain builds, put them in the description, makes it easier for us. You’re very knowledgeable and I am learning so much, thank you and keep it up! 🙏🏼
What if you used a high rpm motor like a 16 - 22 tpa motor with precocking? Would it take a noticeable amount of time for the motor to spin up if it's already precocked? Seems like you could get a higher rps with the same gears as long as you're using precocking and a relatively lower tpa motor
I’m gonna put some shs 12:1 gears and a high torque motor in my rpk to get a high rps. I do t want to do too much tho, so I’m gonna leave cylinder (I’ve already tested air seal and it’s pretty good), spring, and HopUp alone. It’s gonna be sweet
@TheAirsoftTech, if you were to build a semi-only CQB build, would you prefer DSG or short-stroking? Which one is best for semi-only trigger response and which one is better for RPS?
Great question , hope he will answer. I did a SSG short stroking 8 tooth on sector gear so piston travel only half the distance ( 12:1 gear + warhead motor high speed) it’s got a snappy trigger response and about 37 rps
charly wakamatzu the SAI GRY uses a g&p gearbox. You can do anything he listed here. The internals aren't so much "good" as upgradeable. If you look at brill armoury's CZcams channel he has a budget 30rps build/parts list which you could use to turn your gun into a beast, and there are a few other upgrades you can do down the line to make it even better.
I would love to build something with a good trigger response, about 350fps and 20-25 RPS on a 9.6Nimh, do you think this is possible? The trigger response is nice in combination with a very snappy trigger.
Loved your video man, it was pretty informative! I do have a few questions though. What would the torquiest stock (non-frankentorque) motor you would reccomend TPA wise that could handle a Prometheus M170 spring with relative ease? I'm currently working on a dmr build and want to make sure I get a motor that is strong enough, keep in mind the motor will be paired with either 100:200 or 100:300 ratio torque gears and a high discharge 11.1 lipo. Also, is there any way you would possibly be willing to make and sell a short type 32 TPA Frankentorque motor for the right price? I appreciate the help and hope you will see this comment.
Garrett Pitts No need for high torque gears with a high tpa neo motor. A 32TPA "frankentorque" with a strong neo can will pull an M170 spring on high speed gears with excellent trigger response when paired with a high output, high voltage li-po. I'd actually go with a 14.8 volt li-po to get maximum trigger response, you could go as high as 18:1 gear ratio and still get good trigger response and a low current drain.
Hey, how do you feel about the BTC spectres precocking feature? I recently got one, i aswell really love trigger response, but i heard the precocking feature puts more stress on the parts.
Where did you get the 10:1 gearset? I have found dual sector gear gearsets that are close, but not any regular ones. Also, are 12:1 gears close enough, even with a slower motor?
Brill Armory and Clandestine Airsoft both sell all types of Siegetek gear, but it seems like the 10:1 and 14:1 SSG sets are out of stock lately. SHS 4th gean 12:1 would be a middleground between 10:1 and 14:1. With a 16TPA motor you should easily achieve 40rps or more with a good 3 cell li-po.
I seen or heard zero difference in the time it took to cycle on any of the batteries. Seemed it shot the same on semi that Is. With the obvious difference in rof with the different voltage. Imo of course.
Th3PROfessa1 the difference is extremely clear when you try and shoot fast on semi.i had a crappy 9.6 nun chuck in my gun, and i could shoot about 5 times a second on semi, with an 11.1 lipo i can do about 12. and personally, im a fan of high fps and semi.
Mine has about 400 in internals its got almost everything new and upgraded internally. It is for trigger response 18:1 gears asg 22k infinity motor m120 spring a speed trigger gate aster 2 mosfet should hopefully get a really good trigger response
great video! iv'e been in the market for teching on my G&P for a balanced build. Do you think the G&P M120 high speed motor would cut it in a build similar to this (with the low ratio gears) ? Cheers !
hey bud awesome video. just quick question does your motor get really hot. just wondering if they are normal. Some people say check my shiming. I have a high torque motor, 18:1 and I use a binary trigger. just wondering if you've experience that before.
Nice! Would a g&p gearbox combined with a shs high speed(swiss cheesed) piston,super shooter 13:1 high speed gears, lonex titan speed&torque motor, nukefet complete mosfet and 11.1 lipos yield a snappy trigger response and a pretty good rof? I play with lots of p*s that shoot very fast.
Definitely get a different motor, Lonex motors had a good rep at first, but now they are shunned by most techs. SHS or ZCI high torque are cheap motors that yield better performance, I can also highly recommend the Guarder Infinite Torque Up.
I have a krytac crb and I want to increase the trigger response but I know the internals in the krytac are amazing and I don't know what I should replace or do. Please help
I'm running shs 12:1 gears, high torque motor, swiss cheese piston, clean shim job and a 11.1 20c battery. It shoots around 27rps, 420 fps and trigger response is crazy fast, one step below a p* imo. Idk how long it's going to last as I play semi only but I'll be running this set up for awhile haha. Trigger contacts will probably be the first to go but whatevs. When that happens, I'll upgrade the wires and put in a mosfet
That is exactly what i am going after in my Custom M4! Question, what motor, gear set, and spring do you run in your gun? P.S. You make great vids and i have learned alot from them! Keep up the great work! :)
Dam!! aeg's can get technical! that's one of the things about stock aeg's that trigger response. my ics m4 is so slow compared to my ghk m4 gbbr. I know we should not compare the two but firing a gas rifle feels much better than electric gun. nice video dude.
+BARRY WATTS GBBR's can be great fun, I test fired a cheap GBBR G36 once, seemed like fun gun. It's a shame they're nearly useless in cold weather and not nearly as reliable as an AEG or electronic HPA gun. Some stock AEG's have decent trigger response, high end CYMA AEG's, Krytac, G&G Top Tech to mention some have neodymium motors and will have a quite decent trigger response with a good battery.
Dumb question but What if you made your gearbox so it was always on the last few teeth of the gear pulling the piston back, so that it was literally like two teeth away from letting the piston go and slam forward and made THAT the cycle. - Piston slams forward - Gears pull piston back - Repeat Would that cause issues or has just noone ever had that idea!?
I need some feed back on my gun because when I lightly pull the triger it doesn't work but when I pull the triger really hard it works. can someone tell me the problem with my gun
Cameron Rocks this happened to me, I believe it could be a broken trigger contact housing. It could be broken and moved from where it should be sitting.
I corrected the AOE on my ICS PAR MK3 after installing a new piston,nozzle and cylinder.removing one tooth from the piston to correct the AOE. however some times i notes that my fps is around 150 fps. And other times its 300 as it should be consider I'm using .30g BBs. I never seen this in any other gun i have. What could be doing this ?
Good day, spec'd my build with your recommendations on this video. 13:1 supershooters, lonex supreme, just missing the mosfet unit. What was it again? Do you have a video for it? TIA and a happy new year too. Never mind found it :)
I'm looking for high trigger response for a semi auto dmr (Scar SSR to be exact). It will be pulling around an m130 spring. and i will be using a Nukefet complete for a mosfet. How should I go about executing this build?
Can you give me a good list of internals for a ver 2. Gear box? I have a g&g ETU and mosfet. My srs has great response time but i have 2 of those rifles and ones alittle worn out. Ive never seen an AEG sound like that. awesome vids man! subbed for sure.
do you know of any cheaper programable mosfet's that offer the main two of cycle completion to avoid half cycling the cylinder and lipo cut off? anything under 100?
my favorite setup is a 12:1's + Lonex A1 +deans, low res wiring and a mosfet. i only run mine on a 7.4 when i plan on using full auto because i end up pushing 45rps on a 11.1
Yes, mosfets will allow you to use up to 17v batteries depending, and will regulate the energy going through the gun, in turn increasing the trigger response.
Great work but.. my thing is how does a mag feed that fast I have problems with feeding on not so high speed. Brand new mags of different types and brand new guns.
Hi AirsoftTech - I have the Krytac CRB but have been a little disappointed with its performance, a low 320 fps even with m120 spring, not the best trigger response and the range is pretty poor, do you have any suggestions for improvements? I saw you had a Krytac video so would like to see your take on it. Thanks :D !
Technically, couldn't you get a m170 or m190 and SS the piston/sector gear for a faster trigger response? Oh wait derp I forgot about your spectre fet. But without a precocking mosfet would that theoretically me faster?
6 years later: "just put a Micro switch trigger in it." love coming back to these. Helped me tech on my markers since I started playing.
markers? this aint PB bud
I finally completed my build yesterday. 13:1 SHS gears, shs high torque 16tpa, btc chimera mk2, m110 spring, and then everything else is lonex. Around 30ish rps at 380fps with a .2, Trigger response is ridiculous, literally a polarstar or very very close to it. Using a 11.1v 4500mah 30c
Lucid how much was everything in total
Would the rof change with a higher torque motor like a 25k 22tpa?
speedyboig oh definitely. Most motors that pull that TPA don’t spin as fast but your tigger response alone will be that of an HPA gun if you use a ASG Infinity motor.
@@sub_second_life3174 yeah I've already finished my build, shs 12:1's, gate aster, shs ht, lonex tappet plate, lonex selector plate, shs oring red nozzle, shs fmr piston with e&l silent piston head, e&l silent cylinder head, I've also heard that asg's motors burn out quickly with btc's.
@@devin.5349 Like 250 depending on where you get everything.
How to trigger response
Step 1: Install a Gate Titan
Step 2: Done
Or the new GATE ASTER
@@blaukrautbrautkleid7760 just picked one of these boys up, can't wait to install it and test that binary trigger
Btc specter**
Perun v2 optical mosfet is also pretty fast with the binary trigger and precock
You still want the 10:1 ssg set, aby upgrade to increase longevity, pme prevention, and a good motor if your gun doesnt have one. Cyma and lct ak's are the worst offenders.
You seem like the nicest tech in airsoft lol Good video man, keep up the good work
The content starts at 9:22. Chap, you don't need to tell us the same boring background story over and over and over and over again.
That suppressor sounds just tickles my ear. :)
TRIGGERED
why *slaps forehead
Trigonometry
@@Mr.Kumar1 Here you are, 5 years later
@@misteraxeman2680 lol
1. Get that Mini Tamiya out
2. Install Dean-T
3. Install GATE TITAN/ASTER
4. Shim your gearbox
5. Use 11,1 V Lipo
6. ???
7. Profit
Get a 14.8v lipo
Collect underpants?
My main used to be a valken pdw allow. First airsoft gun ever. Ran 11.1 in it for 3 months cuz they said I could. It broke one day at the field, didn't touch it for MONTHS. Eventually decided I'm gonna fix my gun since I couldn't afford a new one at that time. And your videos basically got me where I'm at almost a year later. Taking it apart I saw the bearing on the bevel was missing balls and the piston head, air nozzle and tappet plate were SHATTERED.
18/1, delayed chip, bushings, reshimmed, regreased, 16awg rewire with a gate nanohard mosfet, micro switch, new piston head and new air nozzle. On a 7.4 (will never run a 11.1 again) I achieve 16 rps at 384-389fps. And I mean if I shoot thru my chrono 30 times the only two number that show up are 384 and 389. It just jumps back and forth between those two numbers and it blows my mind! My indoor spring was 357.5 LITTERALY 15 shots in a row. No deviations.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE!!!!
Also it was a random kwa motor I pulled from a broken gun and it turns out they run 45-60 dollars and it's a high torque! Makes sense. I have like damn near the same set up in my indoor gun, weaker spring but has the ics 3000 and it only gets 13rps.
Trigger response is vastly under-rated by the air soft world. We call this lock time in tactical bolt action rifles...and the best rifles now have lock times of around 1 millisecond....Compare that the time it takes for the mechanicals to active and send the bb is a stock air soft rifle! What 1/2 second? lol
This is why so many airsoft snipers use bolt (spring) actions. Yes they are a little more accurate, but more important is being able to send the BB at the exact microsecond the sight crosses the target.
Any improvement here is welcome!
The quality and the consistency of the trigger break are still none existent in air soft...A clean and consistent break is fundamental to marksmanship in that is creates solid and repeatable muscle memory. Muscle memory is what allows us to quickly and accurately engage a target without thought. Any improvement here creates a more consistent, more accurate, rifleman....Gun be damned, the nut behind the trigger is always the decisive element....Food for thought!
I would say closer to 1/8 a second but yeah the lockup time for airsoft guns can be annoying. One reason why I use mostly gas blowbacks. I don't use many rounds per game so the $50 magazines aren't that big of a deal. That said, good marksmanship would be able to make good hits even with a poor lockup. Unlike a firearm, there is no recoil with an AEG. On an open bolt SMG or LMG the lockup is similar to an AEG but upon dropping the bolt the gun is bounced upward slightly. With an AEG there is no movement imparted by the gun so if your POA stays true, your POI will be precise.
Smokin07ram im with you ✊🏽
Worldadventure Lehderp yah I have gotten as low as 9 milliseconds on my dsg
Great vid. Confirms my theories and scribblings. Buying some bits from AirLab in the UK next week. Thanks chief
Chairman LMao woo! Airlab!
0:33 Nice job sanding the grip bro. Ive done that as well
I do that on almost every gun. Lol
I've got a build that I'm pretty happy with, and it is not an angled build at all, just a straight up high performance build that gives me lightning response (faster than 2012 Systemas) on a 2mm trigger pull (it's like clicking a mouse). 38 bps RoF at 440 FPS on an 11.1V, 3000mAh, 40C LiPo battery.
It's essentially this:
Chimera FET
12:1 Gear Ratio (SHS)
Dream Army Ultra Torque motor
Shimmed trigger (the Chimera FET uses a micro switch button)
11.1V, 40C LiPo
Overall reinforced components, hours of shimming and a very, very, very airtight cylinder/piston/nozzle, cylinder ported to the barrel volume + 25%.
Rifle itself is a VFC 416, not that it matters... I use it exclusively for semi-auto shooting since I hate players who hose away bbs and end up hitting someone 50 times in the face, but the RoF is still there for punishment ;)
May you do a video on how to prevent much motor heat, my gearbox is hitting around 30 rps and gets very hot.
semaarairsoft123 make sure The motor is running smoothly IE proper shimming and motor height. Other than that theres is really not Much to do. The motor has its efficiency. Some energy always gets lost as heat
I heard cheap motors like shs heat up regardless
You can drill holes in the baseplate in some spots on some grips to vent air
Probably want something with high torque over speed
Take a shot every time he says trigger response X'D But in all seriousness, great video man, love your build!
😂😂😂 you rocked back like there was recoil.
rof doesnt matter to meet at all really, 20 is more than enough, as it saves ammo, and semi is just fine. i build my guns with range and accuarcy, i refuse to use a gun before i stick in an r hop
Interesting video. Thanks for the info. I recently built my Lonex gun gearbox again using an ASCU2 trigger unit/FET and because I use the Lonex A1 motor, I got to delete the anti-reversal latch. The gearbox sounds so much better now! Love it. I also combined a SPEED trigger lever with the ASCU2 FET, low resistance wiring and a set of 16:1 gears and the gun it so fun to shoot now! Yeah I could trade out some of the parts and increase the trigger response a bit, but I'm done spending money on that gun and honestly, its a lot of fun to shoot! I think the biggest factor in gaining trigger response is the MOSFET you use. Not all FETs are the same. The FETs that also include the micro-switches that take the place of the horrid, old school trigger contacts are the best. The old, arching trigger contacts are the worst part of any AEG. They always fail. And if you play a lot of MILSIM type games like I do where full-auto is only for SAWs, then having a micro-switch trigger system will save you a lot of pain and broken guns. I have two guns now with the micro-switch systems. Both are dreams to shoot.
Your assumption that higher TPA motors yield proportionally faster trigger response is false. There is a point that more torque is slower on semi. If you do some research on Airsoft Mechanics, youd find that the fastest trigger response is achieved when your gun almost double shoots (precocks after one shot). If you keep increaseing the torque, you will get less and less overspin becuase the motor RPM is slowing down. I built a 32 tpa motor with neodymium magnets and it was SLOW, i would need a DSG to get the same trigger response i have now.
I shot my AEG along side your 7.4, 11.1 and 14.8v and my trigger response with a 7.4 was about the same maybe a bit faster, my 11.1 was faster, and when you used the 14.8v it was exactly what mine was with an 11.v 50c 3.3 Amp.
Build list:
shs 15t
m110 spring
18.72 to 1 gears
ZCI 22 tpa (actually 19 tpa)
apex python mosfet (16 gauge wire)
I almost get double shots on semi with an 11.1 (never do though), so it precocks at least halfway with an 11.1), can't get much faster than that. I spent $30 for the ZCI hightorque, and 34 for the apex python, maybe $20 for the 11.1, and tuned everything perfectly. rate of fire with 11.1 is 25 rps.
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Some people like myself highly dislike any overspin as it feels inconsistent and just weird. Pre-cocking with a mosfet is fine because it is the same every trigger pull but anything else is a bit crappy for me..
just got the ZCI HT motor. it is an animal
Reason why I don't like overspin is because it causes stress on the piston and pretty much everything
AirsoftTeamOSMD do you have a video?
I think the balanced build is like a 40+ rps and 360+ fps?
Great video and yes there is a difference in trigger response with different battery voltage. I have a 13:1 shs gears and shs ht motor with m120 with btc and its the bomb.
Normally run a 7.4v and for more ROF 11.1v. Keep the good videos rolling. . Thanks for them.
thanks for these videos, ill be doing a trigger response build in my Cyma AK-105. at around 350, gonna go with a Gate titan.
When you reference another one of your videos, put a pop up link for it in the corner or in the description. Also, products you recommend for certain builds, put them in the description, makes it easier for us. You’re very knowledgeable and I am learning so much, thank you and keep it up! 🙏🏼
A completed dsg build=instant trigger response
This is the most polarstar-Esque aeg I've ever seen and heard.
Why did you not short stroke 3-4 teeth with an m140 ? Would you not get much faster cycle with similar fps
with 18:1 ssg gears, would a tienly 40k motor or a zci high torque work better for trigger response?
John Gonzalez on 18:1, the 40k will be better, but the tienly 45k would be a little faster and get around 35 rps and still be able to pull an m120
What if you used a high rpm motor like a 16 - 22 tpa motor with precocking? Would it take a noticeable amount of time for the motor to spin up if it's already precocked? Seems like you could get a higher rps with the same gears as long as you're using precocking and a relatively lower tpa motor
I’m gonna put some shs 12:1 gears and a high torque motor in my rpk to get a high rps. I do t want to do too much tho, so I’m gonna leave cylinder (I’ve already tested air seal and it’s pretty good), spring, and HopUp alone. It’s gonna be sweet
Do you find that precocking wears your parts faster or destroys the internals?
Thanks for the info, my build for trigger response and an RPS below 30 is similar to yours, a frankentorque motor, 12 or 13:1 gears, and an 11.1v lipo
hella nice. can u make a vid on ur battery set up? exactly how i wanna do mine
@TheAirsoftTech, if you were to build a semi-only CQB build, would you prefer DSG or short-stroking? Which one is best for semi-only trigger response and which one is better for RPS?
Great question , hope he will answer.
I did a SSG short stroking 8 tooth on sector gear so piston travel only half the distance ( 12:1 gear + warhead motor high speed) it’s got a snappy trigger response and about 37 rps
If you are building a dmr,do this essentially. Full auto on a dmr is illegal at all fields and illegal to own in some countries
That 14.8 sounds like a monster
I have a Sailent Arms Gry and i want better trigger response what do i need because i know the internals are good
charly wakamatzu the SAI GRY uses a g&p gearbox. You can do anything he listed here. The internals aren't so much "good" as upgradeable. If you look at brill armoury's CZcams channel he has a budget 30rps build/parts list which you could use to turn your gun into a beast, and there are a few other upgrades you can do down the line to make it even better.
Is it possible to modify a Cyma CM0.45A to have very good trigger response, low rate of fire, and high FPS?
I would love to build something with a good trigger response, about 350fps and 20-25 RPS on a 9.6Nimh, do you think this is possible? The trigger response is nice in combination with a very snappy trigger.
Mathew vH yes very possible. My 416 before i changed it to hpa was shooting 25rps at 340fps with a 9.6
here in Phil. our FPS range is from 350+ up to 550 FPS.
so basically you're saying I can send in my kwa to you and you'll build it internally and I'll pay for everything?
Loved your video man, it was pretty informative! I do have a few questions though. What would the torquiest stock (non-frankentorque) motor you would reccomend TPA wise that could handle a Prometheus M170 spring with relative ease? I'm currently working on a dmr build and want to make sure I get a motor that is strong enough, keep in mind the motor will be paired with either 100:200 or 100:300 ratio torque gears and a high discharge 11.1 lipo. Also, is there any way you would possibly be willing to make and sell a short type 32 TPA Frankentorque motor for the right price? I appreciate the help and hope you will see this comment.
Garrett Pitts No need for high torque gears with a high tpa neo motor. A 32TPA "frankentorque" with a strong neo can will pull an M170 spring on high speed gears with excellent trigger response when paired with a high output, high voltage li-po. I'd actually go with a 14.8 volt li-po to get maximum trigger response, you could go as high as 18:1 gear ratio and still get good trigger response and a low current drain.
Hey, how do you feel about the BTC spectres precocking feature? I recently got one, i aswell really love trigger response, but i heard the precocking feature puts more stress on the parts.
Where did you get the 10:1 gearset? I have found dual sector gear gearsets that are close, but not any regular ones. Also, are 12:1 gears close enough, even with a slower motor?
Brill Armory and Clandestine Airsoft both sell all types of Siegetek gear, but it seems like the 10:1 and 14:1 SSG sets are out of stock lately. SHS 4th gean 12:1 would be a middleground between 10:1 and 14:1. With a 16TPA motor you should easily achieve 40rps or more with a good 3 cell li-po.
I seen or heard zero difference in the time it took to cycle on any of the batteries. Seemed it shot the same on semi that Is. With the obvious difference in rof with the different voltage. Imo of course.
Really? Huh.
Set the video to slow motion and see if you notice the difference.
Th3PROfessa1 the difference is extremely clear when you try and shoot fast on semi.i had a crappy 9.6 nun chuck in my gun, and i could shoot about 5 times a second on semi, with an 11.1 lipo i can do about 12.
and personally, im a fan of high fps and semi.
Mine has about 400 in internals its got almost everything new and upgraded internally. It is for trigger response 18:1 gears asg 22k infinity motor m120 spring a speed trigger gate aster 2 mosfet should hopefully get a really good trigger response
Meanwhile the anti-reversal latch: ThE aIr TaStEs LiKe CoLoRs
please make a parts list
great video! iv'e been in the market for teching on my G&P for a balanced build. Do you think the G&P M120 high speed motor would cut it in a build similar to this (with the low ratio gears) ? Cheers !
hey bud awesome video. just quick question does your motor get really hot. just wondering if they are normal. Some people say check my shiming. I have a high torque motor, 18:1 and I use a binary trigger. just wondering if you've experience that before.
Nice! Would a g&p gearbox combined with a shs high speed(swiss cheesed) piston,super shooter 13:1 high speed gears, lonex titan speed&torque motor, nukefet complete mosfet and 11.1 lipos yield a snappy trigger response and a pretty good rof? I play with lots of p*s that shoot very fast.
I ment at the fields I play at, half of the players run p*s. And they all shoot at least 30rps
Definitely get a different motor, Lonex motors had a good rep at first, but now they are shunned by most techs. SHS or ZCI high torque are cheap motors that yield better performance, I can also highly recommend the Guarder Infinite Torque Up.
I have a krytac crb and I want to increase the trigger response but I know the internals in the krytac are amazing and I don't know what I should replace or do. Please help
Connor Giddings 11.1 lipo and a motor with 22tpa or higher.
I'm running shs 12:1 gears, high torque motor, swiss cheese piston, clean shim job and a 11.1 20c battery. It shoots around 27rps, 420 fps and trigger response is crazy fast, one step below a p* imo. Idk how long it's going to last as I play semi only but I'll be running this set up for awhile haha. Trigger contacts will probably be the first to go but whatevs. When that happens, I'll upgrade the wires and put in a mosfet
I get about the same trigger response with an 11.1 lipo, without having done any mods on my replica. Cost a little more though lol
this is the airsoft tech that should of went viral
That is exactly what i am going after in my Custom M4! Question, what motor, gear set, and spring do you run in your gun?
P.S. You make great vids and i have learned alot from them! Keep up the great work! :)
how do you make your gun sound like a Polarstar??
Would a kwa high torque motor work for the first setup you mentioned?
What mosfet would you recommend if my budget is low? (For trigger response and preventing damage)
What abou x-asr mosfet in Specna Edge? Is it good? It it too good for it? Or need some triger things?
Dam!! aeg's can get technical! that's one of the things about stock aeg's that trigger response. my ics m4 is so slow compared to my ghk m4 gbbr. I know we should not compare the two but firing a gas rifle feels much better than electric gun. nice video dude.
+BARRY WATTS GBBR's can be great fun, I test fired a cheap GBBR G36 once, seemed like fun gun. It's a shame they're nearly useless in cold weather and not nearly as reliable as an AEG or electronic HPA gun. Some stock AEG's have decent trigger response, high end CYMA AEG's, Krytac, G&G Top Tech to mention some have neodymium motors and will have a quite decent trigger response with a good battery.
I wish you listed the parts in the description
Dumb question but
What if you made your gearbox so it was always on the last few teeth of the gear pulling the piston back, so that it was literally like two teeth away from letting the piston go and slam forward and made THAT the cycle.
- Piston slams forward
- Gears pull piston back
- Repeat
Would that cause issues or has just noone ever had that idea!?
Rachel Purity tbh I think that’s just short stroking but
Its called precocking
@@dph972 Ah.
So why do many not do it?
Like, how is that not the standard!?
What motor would you compare to the one in this build?
vectorponder What exactly do you mean? The closest motor to this one that you can buy is probably the A&K 28TPA
I need some feed back on my gun because when I lightly pull the triger it doesn't work but when I pull the triger really hard
it works. can someone tell me the problem with my gun
Cameron Rocks ur trigger response is trash? ur wiring may be iffy
Cameron Rocks this happened to me, I believe it could be a broken trigger contact housing. It could be broken and moved from where it should be sitting.
I corrected the AOE on my ICS PAR MK3 after installing a new piston,nozzle and cylinder.removing one tooth from the piston to correct the AOE. however some times i notes that my fps is around 150 fps. And other times its 300 as it should be consider I'm using .30g BBs. I never seen this in any other gun i have. What could be doing this ?
Good day, spec'd my build with your recommendations on this video. 13:1 supershooters, lonex supreme, just missing the mosfet unit. What was it again? Do you have a video for it? TIA and a happy new year too. Never mind found it :)
yea i love when my trigger responds to my finger when i pull it back
Man's grip is falling off and he doesn't have a trigger pin nice
That’s crazy, your AEG has that HPA pop haha
I'm looking for high trigger response for a semi auto dmr (Scar SSR to be exact). It will be pulling around an m130 spring. and i will be using a Nukefet complete for a mosfet. How should I go about executing this build?
does the teeth on the piston assembly fit with any ratio for gear sets?
+Turaxius yes as along as it is not Sort Stroked
What would you recommend for good response with 400+ FPS and off the shelf parts. (IE don’t want to build a motor)
This is pretty helpful. Thanks man.
6 years later we put brushless motors in
Thats if you have a large budget
My favorite trigger response build is 14:1 DSG paired with a spectre fet so I can lower the ROF to avout 26rps :D
Can you give me a good list of internals for a ver 2. Gear box? I have a g&g ETU and mosfet. My srs has great response time but i have 2 of those rifles and ones alittle worn out. Ive never seen an AEG sound like that. awesome vids man! subbed for sure.
I run 12:1 shs gears with an asg boost 40k and a GATE Aster and I get some great trigger response with that setup
how did you make it sound so poppy? I like it.
It's the mock suppressor because it has nothing inside it such as foam.
do you know of any cheaper programable mosfet's that offer the main two of cycle completion to avoid half cycling the cylinder and lipo cut off? anything under 100?
Am I right in saying that I would be fine with a ZCI high torque over an SHS one? some say its the same basically
what suppressor is that? It sounds really nice.
How did you get into teching?
my favorite setup is a 12:1's + Lonex A1 +deans, low res wiring and a mosfet. i only run mine on a 7.4 when i plan on using full auto because i end up pushing 45rps on a 11.1
how does that compares to 10:1 gears?
don't know haven't gotten my hands on 10:1's yet but i would assume they would be a bit faster than my 12:1's
How did you make your gun sound like that
Take foam out of silencer / suppressor
With the zci motor, and the 12:1 gears, how heavy of a spring can I run?
How do u get your gun to sound soo satisfying?
dumb question but how can i know how powerful battery my gun can run
Thinking of doing a trigger response build, sense I already have a microswitch, will a mosfet improve trigger response at all?
Yes, mosfets will allow you to use up to 17v batteries depending, and will regulate the energy going through the gun, in turn increasing the trigger response.
Great work but.. my thing is how does a mag feed that fast I have problems with feeding on not so high speed. Brand new mags of different types and brand new guns.
Hi AirsoftTech - I have the Krytac CRB but have been a little disappointed with its performance, a low 320 fps even with m120 spring, not the best trigger response and the range is pretty poor, do you have any suggestions for improvements? I saw you had a Krytac video so would like to see your take on it. Thanks :D !
+Shield I'd fix the Airseal, drop in a better motor (16TPA), and tune it over all- shimming, flat hop, AOE< etc
get a motor with neodymium magnets, that way you still have decent torque as well as speed
1.3J?
change spring to 140, use 0.3 bb"s and you will get 2.7 - 3J and 70 - 80meters of range.
You are not looking through that holo lol. Btw nice vid.
Where did you get a 32tpa motor?
Im a huge gun/airsoft fan. This is very good info
do you think a g&p m180 satan motor or a tienly gt45000 motor will give the same trigger response with a siegetek 10:1 gearset???
just go for an shs high torque or a lonex high torque.
How to get ultimate trigger response? Precocking
What are u using to make your gun have that pop
would shs ht with 13:1 and 11.1v battery pull m170? aiming for 550fps
Technically, couldn't you get a m170 or m190 and SS the piston/sector gear for a faster trigger response? Oh wait derp I forgot about your spectre fet. But without a precocking mosfet would that theoretically me faster?
Hey bro I know I’m late, but by low rof you mean in Full auto?