Hotel Horror: a Silent Hill 2 / The Shining analysis
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- Family, betrayal and nurses... just a normal hotel stay then really xoxo
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Chapters:
00:00 Kate Bush ???
01:56 Introductions are in order
06:05 Haunted Grounds and Seeing Visions
10:23 The Liminal Horror of Hotels
12:19 Get Out Of My House
13:26 Self-Sabotage and Betrayal
16:08 Family Business - Hry
The only bad thing about this video is that it's not 30 minutes long. Perfect video for a Silent Hill and The Shining fan.
I like how you used Kate Bush to tie this all in she's been one of my favorite musicians for years I'm an artist and have done a few paintings of her albums and the dreaming is one of the ones I did. Cool tie in's that's a very unique concept was well done.
Kate Bush is one of my favourites 😍
@@PhilOfGlimmer great taste have a good one.
putting this on in the background was weird. got really into the kate bush stuff and was got a big shock when i was reminded this was a silent hill video
I've never heard of Kate Bush, but that album is the kind of weird shit I like to find out if the 80s. I'm not even a minute and a half in, and this has already been a fantastic time.
Definitely check out Hounds of Love album, it's one of her best
She’s kind of famous once again because of the TV show Stranger Things part 3
I think the most interesting contrast between these two is how “the place” affects the protagonist- if we can consider Jack the protagonist of The Shining for the purposes of this comparison that is, lol.
Anyway, in both pieces of media, we’re presented with somewhere that effects them, somewhere so far beyond what we expect a place should be able to. Some kind of somewhat unexplained supernatural phenomenon is animating the land upon which they stand to grant them otherworldly visions, or opens a portal to another demonic world, whichever it is isn’t terribly important for this conversation. What is important is how they change over the course of their stay there. Jack and James from the outset seem like perfectly normal, reasonable men devoted to their families. But over the course of the story, that changes and we begin to see them in a new light. Now, in most media, it would be the evil place that’s solely at fault, twisting otherwise good and decent people into something they would never be, but what makes both SH and TS so unique in the history of horror is that it’s not the place that’s the villain, it’s the protagonist. It soon becomes clear that whatever the faults the place has, or whatever ill intentions it may have, it’s not what caused the main character to be this way. They were always like this, all the place did was tear that away layer by layer until the true depth of who they are is exposed. Though it bears mentioning that it’s not exactly the same. In Silent Hill 2, James is completely in denial about what a selfish, despicable person he is and it requires Silent Hill’s monsters to make him come face to face with who he really is by manifesting his fears as monsters for him to fight representing the battle within himself. In a sense, you can view Silent Hill as the true hero of the story by unmasking the lies James tells himself and everyone. The same can’t really be said for the Overlook Hotel. While it is true that Jack isn’t so much transformed by the place as unmasked by it, the Hotel isn’t doing so out of an even understandable desire to make Jack confront himself and what he’s done, but simply to turn him insane. Jack’s descent into madness doesn’t come with any underlying epiphany which helps us understand what’s going on with him, he just turns more and more psychotic. The horrors that are unleashed on the family aren’t really done to help them in any way but simply to terrorise them, with Jack’s visions egging him on and on at every stage to push him to go further and further. Not that Silent Hill was invested in getting James and Mary back together but it certainly pushed James to understand what he’d done. But Overlook Hotel instead isolates Jack more and more with the goal of pushing him to slaughter his family so it can have him all to itself, or so we are to assume. But in spite of that, the hotel only ever presented Jack with these ideas, it’s still clear that he isn’t possessed or controlled against his will and everything he does is what he acts out according to his own desires. In both cases, the place strips away the thin veneer of civilisation that they have. Jack and James both come from elsewhere where they can present themselves as decent and respectable but in the isolation of these places, that gets unmasked very quickly as they are left with the realisation that they’re not as good as they want to pretend and whatever this place is, it isn’t much better than they are.
Thanks for sharing this excellent video. Silent Hill, The Shining, Kate Bush, oh my! I ❤ Kate Bush's "The Dreaming". Especially the song "Suspended In Gaffa" and "There Goes A Tenner" - but honestly, the whole album is just amazing. Her songs tell the most interesting stories 🎉
Yes they really do, she's just a good storyteller
@@PhilOfGlimmer Nice to know another fan ✌️🎶😊
After seeing "Lost Highway" i link Silent Hill2s Story more to that movie (and Lynches Work in general) but still really interesting.
I like the use of the PlayStation, A Bug’s Life soundtrack, for this video about Silent Hill 2, The Shining, and Kate Bush. :B
Good spot 🐜🐞🐛
Are you going to keep making these kind of videos? Because if yes I'll subscribe
On the topic of games that actually affect and change people's lives, Nier Automata is one that, at least personally, has affected me on a similar level to SH2.
Good video man :) I hope it gets more traction.
I wonder if Stephen King ever thought that his little book would be the mother of a spawn of little illegitimate horror children
This is incredible, thank you!
Shout out to the Signalis save screen making an appearance in Silent Hill 2. So iconic.
I'm so hyped for this
Great video ! Have you ever heard the theory that Angela burned the hotel down ? Or at least set it alight ? I cover it in a video I made on SH2 but I heard it in a lore run from a streamer I used to watch and there’s lots of interesting evidence for it ? But I haven’t heard it ever mentioned by too many other people ? As briefly as I can put it, the theory is Angela maybe worked at the hotel, maybe the abuse she was receiving from her father and supposedly her brother too had taken place there a couple of times ? We find the room with the employee elevator key in a room supposedly stayed in by angela because it has burnt curtains like she’d tested how flammable they were, also a big hole in the wall leading into the next room where you find a locked briefcase because she’s (on the run) inside you find the music box that represents angela (Cinderella) as according to the newspaper memo you find before fighting the abstract daddy it said the suspect fled between 11:30PM and 12:30AM or something so she fled at midnight like Cinderella, the other two represent James and Maria/James - Little mermaid (eddy) because he longs to be accepted for how he looks but can’t fit in with normal society and is bullied for his appearance, and Snow White (Maria/James) who awoke from death (Mary’s death)
Once you have the big reveal about Mary’s death, you see the hotel in its burnt form, with water dripping and black scorch marks all over the wall, but one side is effected more so than the other side, if you re enter, Angela’s room it transports you to the opposite side of the hotel where the fire damage is worse, and it is directly above the basement where the employee lounge is, it’s possible that when her brother was staying at the hotel she started the fire in the employee lounge after testing the flammable curtains in her own room, you can even see In the employee lounge the curtains are directly above the radiator, and when you go down to the basement which is flooded you can see the top of the employee lounge door is busted open and warped at the top like that’s where it started, and opposite is an exit so it’s likely she started the fire on the curtains in the employee lounge then fled, when you see her in the stairway that’s on fire apart from saying for me it’s always like this, like seeing the fire is also part of her torment and punishment for burning down the hotel and maybe hurting innocent people in an attempt to kill her brother, you see her admiring two covered up bodies hanging from the wall with blood on the crotches (hinting at her sexual abuse) and Masahiro ito has confirmed before that these are both the bodies of her brother and father, let me know what you think of this theory ? I never heard it until a few years ago but now I can’t unsee it
hi phill great video !
Fantastic video. Thanks for sharing.
Loved the video Phil ❤️👍🔥
This was spot on great work 🤘😎 I heard somewhere that heavens night is actually the bar from Twin Peaks🤔
You need to play my favorite game of all time Silent Hill 3! 😈
And yes, Mary is in the back seat, the devs even said it, it's part of a Japanese ritual and James intended to drive them into the lake which to me makes the "in water" ending the real Canon ending!✌️
excellent video!
Pardon my poor taste of humor but what do you think what happens when you achieve the "Leave" ending, and Laura sees Mary again in the car?
excellent video
Really nice
solid video
You like inspirations, check book Solaris by Stanisław Lem. I knew this nowel before playing SH2 so this game was not as schocking to me.
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You could have used the actually Stephen King approved miniseries from the 90s since it does have the wasp scene in that version. :p
Yeah I was gonna try and get a clip for the hedge animals too but I couldn't find any good streams of it :'( and didn't want to spend all my time finding that aha.
@@PhilOfGlimmerThe entire miniseries is available on Internet Archive on a post by Dylan Bastnagel from 2021. Pretty good quality too, if you need it in the future. 😅
@@Longshanks1690 omg is it actually. There was me trying to find it on some dodgy streaming websites lol 😅😅 thanks though, maybe I should check it out anyway!
damn man that was good
I sometimes wonder if the monsters are cops in real life running after him after he abandoned marys corpse lol (of course with all the theories out there this makes least sense but it’s a entertaining thought)
Great video, now do Signalis aaand... literally any other metatextual influence, lol. 😂
Masterpiece ❤
Best Game
Best Movie
She’s imagimary
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There is a fair bit more nuance to James' actions other than killing her to rid himself of her. That was part of it, but also to end her suffering. He didn't remember his actions genuinely as from all his dialogue to himself and others, he hadn't even left Silent Hill with her body before self-induced amnesia. I don't think any of the assumption James is just a cold-blooded killer is proven or found in-game at all. A very aggressive take toward the character if you've cleared the initial endings and read up on the game.
yeah people somehow miss, possibly because they have never lost a loved one (at least not in a way where they felt like they could have prevented it/caused it to happen), that James’ guilt is not the whole story. The letter at the end confirms this; Mary was in agony and also wanted to die, and she bore her own unwanted negative and ugly emotions and felt her own guilt about them. James and Mary are both written as complex, fully-realized adult humans with all the conflicting emotions that comes with that.
The fact that James feels such immense guilt is actually a sign that he’s got a warped perception of what happened; he very much loved Mary, and hated that he had any negative emotions towards her, and very much wanted to end her suffering, but sadly in America, terminally ill people are required to draw every last agonizing breath they can, regardless of their wishes. We don’t do death with dignity here. It’s impossible to afford the palliative or life extending care that you might require for many, but it’s also illegal to proactively seek the end before the inevitable agonizing final days.
We also have a great deal of shame about our sexuality existing at all. It’s a really sad set of circumstances and James doesn’t have anyone to help him through it, and he’s naturally drawn to the town where he was happy with Mary, yet lies on ground soaked in blood from cruel religious tortures and executions.
James isn’t some cold hearted bastard from a Lifetime movie; he’s a man faced with an impossibly tragic situation, who due to the society in which he was raised sees himself as such.
Mercy killing is an ableist and stupid excuse lmao what are y'all on. Last thing on my mind is to kill my wife when she's sick wtf. Even in Mary's letter she talks about NOT wanting to die and just wanting to spend her last days in her home with James, a husband she loved dearly
@@GothlyRaven Ableist?? You a keyboard activist? I don't think you get the fact that James's thinking isn't going to be rationale except to him in his state. Mercy killings can happen for various reasons, one sided or not. Mary jumped between what she wanted and not, if you forgot. It was only in that letter at the end of the game did she convey her actual thoughts and not the mixed signals she gave up until.
Stop getting in your emotions and tell the difference between people explaining their thinking on something rather than a personal desire. Gothly my ass.
LMAO Bro it's a horror game about mental illness, literally all about emotions. 'Keyboard activist' okay unc@@blumiu2426
@@blumiu2426 We're not talking about other reasons tho its just about the context within the game. The whole game is about Jame's killing his wife, he tried to justify it to himself as a /mercy killing/ to absolve his actions. Did you think Pyramid Head was there to warn James his actions actually weren't that bad 💀 ? Im obsesseddddd, did you play the game with your eyes and ears closed or? Like are you just dense or old
I love Kate bush, I could see horses, there's millions of snowflakes
The mistake of that SH2 Hotel is that should be on Nowhere, same mistake of SH4 with the revisit the locations once again. Seems like Team Silent forgot their own mythology at this point, one of the keys of SH is Nowhere, that will make the hotel even more scary.
The goal of the hotel and the town is the same, draw more souls into this void, as a way to wait for the great power, in The Shinning is Danny, in SH is Heather.
ure so cute omg
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Dude, it's not pronounced "Babushka", it's pronounced "бабушка". It's not a biggie, but be careful next time.
Baby I'm just saying it how Kate Bush says it in her song :( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babooshka_%28song%29?wprov=sfla1 (but thank you though, forgot the actual word isn't pronounced like that)