The Slenderman's Shadow Iceberg Explained

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  • čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
  • Slenderman's Shadow, ‪@MarcSteene‬'s spin-off series based on Slender: The Eight Pages turns 10 years old on this very day! So, in celebration of that, some friends and I prepared this video. We hope you enjoy :D
    Official SMS Discord server: / discord
    Thumbnail by ‪@Stalkalek‬
    Milestones:
    23 October 2022 - 1000 views
    31 January 2023 - 2000 views
    9 April 2023 - 3000 views
    7 June 2023 - 4000 views
    26 July 2023 - 5000 views
    14 September 2023 - 6000 views
    15 October 2023 - 7000 views
    15 November 2023 - 8000 views
    19 January 2024 - 9000 views
    12 March 2024 - 10000 views!
    20 May 2024 - 11000 views
    16 Jul 2024 - 12000 views
    Check out the awesome people who helped with this video:
    Marc Steene: / marcsteene
    ThePlayaJam765: / @theplayajam7654
    MicrosoftWindows: / @microsoftwindowsyt
    SealShpeeDaSweggy: / ukxlnc
    Prison Backwards Route: • Slender Prison (Origin...
    Prison Dead End Route: • Slender Prison (Origin...
    Writing: Natalie, Micro, Seal, with help from Marc Steene
    Thumbnail: Stalkalek
    Editing: Natalie
    Voiceovers: Natalie, Micro
    Videos: Natalie, Marc Steene, yamimash, Playa, Micro, TheRadBrad, Markiplier, Taste Gaming, Seal
    Special Thanks: SMS FPSC's general bugginess, Marc Steene, Wray Burgess, The SMS Discord, Markiplier, yamimash, for making something that my 12-year-old self would've never believed come to life!
    Most videos were recorded by me, but here are links to those that weren't, in order of appearance:
    Marc Steene: • Tips to Beat Prison
    yamimash: • Scary Games - Slender ...
    ThePlayaJam765: • Slender Mansion: Drunk...
    MicrosoftWindows: • Slender Claustrophobia...
    MicrosoftWindows: cdn.discordapp.com/attachment...
    TheRadBrad: • SANATORIUM (Slender) -...
    yamimash: • Scary Games - 9 TEDDY ...
    yamimash: • Scary Games - IM IN TH...
    Markiplier: • Slender: Prison
    Marc Steene: • Slenderman's Shadow Ga...
    MicrosoftWindows: • Slender Sanatorium v1....
    Marc Steene: • Official 7th Street Tr...
    Marc Steene: • Carnival Trailer - Sle...
    Taste Gaming: • SLENDER - ELEMENTARY |...
    Taste Gaming: • SLENDER: SANATORIUM | ...
    MicrosoftWindows: cdn.discordapp.com/attachment...
    SealShpeeDaSweggy: cdn.discordapp.com/attachment...
    Marc Steene: • Dusk Extras and Slende...
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    00:00 Intro
    00:41 About Slenderman's Shadow
    01:12 Layer 1
    05:56 Layer 2
    11:41 Layer 3
    15:30 Layer 4
    20:23 Layer 5
    24:59 Layer 6
    29:08 Outro
    30:18 Bloopers
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    JJJreact #JJJreact (to the Jacksfilms council, the name in the start of the video was my old name, before I transitioned, if you need proof, it's in my other videos)
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Komentáře • 118

  • @MicrosoftWindowsYT
    @MicrosoftWindowsYT Před rokem +25

    It's awesome, I love how this turned out. I enjoyed working on this video with you and others Simon ❤ I hope you guys enjoy watching this video

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem +4

      I also really enjoyed working with you all ❤To think this all started because I just found some random guy complete Prison in 2021 is just crazy.

  • @theplayajam7654
    @theplayajam7654 Před rokem +17

    Extremely proud of how this turned out. Hope y'all enjoy. In fact, in our discord server, Marc Steene himself did a stream of himself watching this video and providing his insight into it.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem +3

      So am I! And yeah, the stream was super fun, so glad we got Marc here in the first place!

  • @sonicexer1856
    @sonicexer1856 Před 10 měsíci +9

    One thing I was suprised to see not mentioned is slendermans weird movement in sanatorium. When he teleports, he slides across to where he wants to go, idk how common this was, but I remember seeing a video of someone looking down a hallway, and slender just slid into the doorway lol

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 10 měsíci +1

      I actually don't know (or just forgot) why we excluded this from the video and the one following it.
      My guess is one of the following:
      - We forgot about it completely while we were focusing on the obscure stuff
      - We didn't know enough about why it happened at the time, which would lead to another short section (like the donator boards and the Steam port)
      - We didn't find it important to bring up

    • @sonicexer1856
      @sonicexer1856 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@itsNatalieAtLeast that's fair, I just thought it was funny seeing slender slide all over the place

  • @saatooriii
    @saatooriii Před rokem +18

    it's really one of my favorite horror games from my childhood, the games are amazing, the youtubers who made videos on them are so cool to watch even 10 years later it still makes me happy to know that the slender man shadow community is not really dead and there are still people out there still playing and still looking for theories, and frankly, I congratulate you.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem +2

      I completely agree, I would say SMS was definitely the peak of Slender games. I should really go back and watch the old SMS videos, I'm glad people are still playing these games, it's one of the only reasons why I kept doing Prison attempts. And thank you!!

  • @Javier-dj1zy
    @Javier-dj1zy Před 12 dny

    I may be late to the party but still, I loved this video! The slenderman's shadow games were always my favourite slender games and I've always enjoyed them a whole lot more than the other fangames or even The eight pages since I was a kid, so seeing people still talking about the original FPSC games brings me a ton of joy and kinda makes me wish that slender was still relevant today, Anyways, Awesome video and keep up the good work!

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 12 dny +1

      @@Javier-dj1zy I'm glad you enjoyed :D and yeah I'm basically in the same boat as you, this is easily ny favorite Slender game

  • @MatthewGhirardi
    @MatthewGhirardi Před rokem +3

    The gun ending in Sanatorium, Slender Man is basically saying “You may win the battle, but I win the war!”

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

      That is a perfect analysis!

    • @MatthewGhirardi
      @MatthewGhirardi Před rokem +1

      @@itsNatalieAtLeast by the way, there’s something that wasn’t mentioned: the flashlight breaking in Slender Elementary

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

      That's because it was one of the most obvious ones so we didn't really deem it necessary

    • @MatthewGhirardi
      @MatthewGhirardi Před rokem +1

      @@itsNatalieAtLeast I think it’s because the kids at the elementary were playing around with the flashlight too much, I maybe wrong though

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

      It's just for a quick scare tbh, I doubt a 17 year old who thinks turning into Slender after shooting him is a good storyline would put that much thought into a flashlight breaking.

  • @mastergames5436
    @mastergames5436 Před rokem +5

    How much care and passion i saw watching this video, you guys are amazing. I still remember how it was yesterday when i first played Sanatorium and i was fascinated and traumatized at the same time, (10 years ... I can't believe it) i also remember that i was in hype and i couldn't wait for Marc Steene and Wray Burgess to release more new maps. Thanks guys for this great video and thanks to Marc for creating this masterpiece. Happy 10th anniversary ❤️.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem +1

      While I was only 7 at the time of the maps coming out, I still remember being terrified when I played them on stream 5 years ago, which is why I came back to Slenderman's Shadow in the first place, as I had kinda forgotten it until a stream I did in 2020. And yes, I agree, thank you so much Marc! You definitely left your marc on the Slender community.

  • @MikeVonwolkenstein
    @MikeVonwolkenstein Před rokem +4

    Awesome video 🔥🔥🔥 very informative and well done

  • @dotvalin
    @dotvalin Před rokem +1

    Excellent work! Nice to see everything around these games being properly documented.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem +1

      Thank you so much! I had an absolute blast working on this and it was an honour to work with Marc

  • @w.mcnamara
    @w.mcnamara Před 9 dny

    Amazing video. I have great memories from my childhood of this game.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 9 dny +1

      Thank you so much!
      Yeah, I have a lot of memories with this game as well, it's why I'm so happy to see I'm not the only one playing it to this day and that we even got Marc Steene himself on board

  • @MatheusYami
    @MatheusYami Před 10 měsíci

    Great video, you really did some great work in the research!

  • @PJemus
    @PJemus Před rokem +3

    I actually used to run the Slendermans Shadow facebook fan page when I was 13. the Devs messaged us and demanded we clarify that it is the fan page and not the official page lmao. Still has 18,000 likes

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

      Dang nice!
      And yeah generally always a good idea to say it's a fan page

  • @pudimfrank
    @pudimfrank Před rokem +2

    Thank you for this video

  • @panicparade6104
    @panicparade6104 Před rokem +1

    W video was fun watching it with the server

  • @JohnHax
    @JohnHax Před rokem +1

    Amazing video. Well done Simon! W

  • @Stalkalek
    @Stalkalek Před rokem +2

    Absolutely wonderful

  • @rize118
    @rize118 Před rokem +1

    Truly an enjoyable video!

  • @bander_
    @bander_ Před rokem +3

    Amazing editing 10/10, I'm very proud of myself for beating 7th Street lol.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

      Thank you so much! And congrats!

    • @bander_
      @bander_ Před rokem

      Now i need to beat sanatorium which is going to be hard lol.

  • @jeviensdu78
    @jeviensdu78 Před 6 měsíci

    Really really good job

  • @SealShpeeDaSweggy
    @SealShpeeDaSweggy Před rokem +2

    Extremely common W video from the ItsPeaceSimon CZcams channel

  • @zarkitek
    @zarkitek Před měsícem

    For me, Mansión It is the most difficult game in the entire saga, Due to the size of the map, the irregular hallways and about 3 floors of the building and most importantly, 12 objects to collect

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před měsícem

      Interesting, Mansion is usually viewed as one of the easier ones, but if you're just starting out and don't know the route an memento locations it can still be a tough one.
      If you've played Prison, what did you think of its difficulty?

    • @zarkitek
      @zarkitek Před měsícem

      @@itsNatalieAtLeast I have never won Prison, but I don't know, when the map came out I did know about the difficulty change and that many said it was a bug that they never patched, that's why I wouldn't consider it the most difficult , because for me I consider it bugged all these years, but watching the video and knowing that they did do it on purpose, I think I could consider it the most difficult . Even so, Mansion still gives me headaches because I always got stuck in the rooms and it was a stress for me to go up and down the floors xD

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před měsícem +1

      @@zarkitek I never heard about it being bugged, other than being able to clip out the map. And yeah, I don't blame you, it took me a very long time to finally get a consistent route for Mansion myself

    • @zarkitek
      @zarkitek Před měsícem

      @@itsNatalieAtLeast My colleagues and people on the forums said that it was possibly a bug because it was so difficult and that it took a long time before someone uploaded a winning video.

    • @zarkitek
      @zarkitek Před měsícem

      @@itsNatalieAtLeast pd:For me, the easiest is streets, it's because it was the first one I played and I played it too much until I learned a route and ran constantly xD

  • @tarantula4197
    @tarantula4197 Před rokem

    Not to Forget: Lunatic1988, the first Horror Letsplayer from whole Germany, helped a lot made it Popular in Germany. Back then i was such a slender obsessed teen, i was faking slender photos with paint and told everbody on school that i saw him and all that, and even made a CZcams-Letsplay filmed with a Camcorder in front of my Monitor. There was a Bug in Prison i discovered back then, you can clip out of the prison, and walk around in a Heaven full of clouds. Did you know that this was a thing? (EDit: Yes you do lol, but it didnt crash by us) I also remember making Fanfictions but they didnt survived the Time. I also remember, that i made it to Page 5 on the First run, but never further than Six, because i was so afraid and scared and wasnt aware of the Mechanics, and just Run all the Time.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem +2

      Oh god not fanfictions lol - yeah I never beat any of the Slender games as a kid either, closest I got was an 8/8 death in Elementary

  • @Nasus3796
    @Nasus3796 Před rokem

    Dude, this is an amazing video, it was awesome to watch and see people still talking about Slender in 2022-2023 now! One thing I am very surprised you and Micro did not mention is that in Elementary, Mansion, Claustrophobia, and 7th Street, is that if you listen closely you can hear your characters heartbeat, this can be used as help because if slenderman is close to you after collecting 1 item and slenderman is close, your heartbeat accelerates extremely fast, indicating slenderman is very close to you. And also, how did you start in the box outside of Elementary at the very beginning of the game? ❤

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

      Thank you so much

    • @Nasus3796
      @Nasus3796 Před rokem

      @itsNatalieAtLeast Nice! what's interesting too, is that in Mansion, if you manage to get out of the map, you can also notice a box outside of the map aswell, this was confirmed by Marc to simply be a placeholder for the Glowsticks, but what is interesting is that if you go into the box, rather than getting stuck, you get the Sanatorium screen of GAME COMPLETE. So if that box in Elementary works the same as in Mansion where the game just randomly completes itself, that's another mystery lmao.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

      @@Nasus3796 I've been outside the map but somehow never noticed the box, but that's pretty interesting

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

      UPDATE: Just checked the games you mentioned, and the folder with the audio doesn't have any heartbeat sound effect, only Elementary does. I took out the page sounds and there wasn't any heartbeat when getting closer to Slender either. I think you're most likely just confusing it with the constant heartbeat in Elementary

    • @Nasus3796
      @Nasus3796 Před rokem

      @@itsNatalieAtLeast A good way to test it in elementary is that if you collect one of the bears in the courtyard outside, and go near the Keep Out sign you can notice a couple trees near it, if you walk into the the trees Slender is unable to get you there, you can test it there and just wait for him to teleport close enough to hear it, if the other maps do not have a heart beat, that could have been me with my own game files testing it on other maps with the files from Elementary, so that was probably a mistake on my part lmao, try and keep the page sounds in it too, cause I have messed around with audio files like that before and it kind of bugs out the game

  • @tanislangley1008
    @tanislangley1008 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I liked the info dump, but try not to sound like your reading a school essay.
    (unless it was,... then, goodjob!)

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 5 měsíci +1

      I wish this had been a school essay, that would've been amazing.
      We felt that it would make more sense to write in a in a more.. I guess.. formal manner as this was such an informational video. Besides, this is how I always do my voiceovers. At a reasonable pace so everyone can keep up.
      If I spoke at the same pace as when I'm just commentating during a let's play, way less people would be able to keep up. But I totally see your point, still

  • @Kirbymasters87
    @Kirbymasters87 Před rokem +1

    10% more motivated to complete my Battlefront 1 2004 Iceberg video.

  • @kinomiyadomi6528
    @kinomiyadomi6528 Před rokem +1

    FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE A SLENDER SPACE ICEBERG

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem +1

      Doesn't sound like a half bad idea, gonna have to write that one down

    • @kinomiyadomi6528
      @kinomiyadomi6528 Před rokem +1

      YESSSSS
      SLENDER SPACE HAS BEEN SUCH AN UNDERRATED GAME LITERALLY NO ONE SEEMS TO REMEMBER, AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT!
      thank you, imma sub

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem +2

      @@kinomiyadomi6528 Please do keep in mind I'm only considering it at this stage, but given I'm still interested in Slender there's a high chance it'll happen!
      I did a 12-game Slender marathon for The Eight Pages' 11 year anniversary and I played Slender Space there, so be on the lookout for that video within the next month!

    • @kinomiyadomi6528
      @kinomiyadomi6528 Před rokem +1

      Oh hell yea!
      I got excited since you're one of the few people that even aknoledged the game, but hell yea, imma keep my heads up for the next video!
      Btw, did you see the slender the arrival remake teaser?

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem +1

      I did! I'm super hyped, can't wait to play it

  • @lukeberfiga
    @lukeberfiga Před 11 měsíci +3

    Dudeeeee your channel is freaking awesome!!!
    I was the creator of one of the many Slender fan-made games back in the days... this brings back soooo many memories and I really have to say I do admire your work and the effort u guys together put in making this top-tier analysis of SMS.
    Kudos to u, u got a new subscriber today! (つ▀¯▀)つ

  • @mccecix4247
    @mccecix4247 Před 7 měsíci

    I want to play all classic SS maps. But when I install them (every single one of them), my character can't move. I am stuck on one place and I just can't move. I have the walking animation but I dont seem to move at all... Can somebody help, I would really appreciate it!

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I never figured out what the fix for this was as I never had it happen myself, sorry

    • @mccecix4247
      @mccecix4247 Před 7 měsíci

      Where do you download them from?@@itsNatalieAtLeast

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 7 měsíci +1

      drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cBwm_KOIGGZjoEpJT3NgL3c65U1Ekj5g?usp=sharing
      This is a collection of every version of SMS (FPSC and Unity) we have been able to find. This is the one most people including myself use, and I haven't had any issues with it.
      @@mccecix4247

  • @BrunoHuerta24
    @BrunoHuerta24 Před 10 měsíci

    The standalone games were better than the ones in Slendernan Shadow, it was less scary but this was cool video!

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yeah, I much prefer the standalone maps as well.
      Also, the standalone maps are still considered part of Slenderman's Shadow, just the FPSC versions
      Oh yeah, and thank you! 😄

    • @BrunoHuerta24
      @BrunoHuerta24 Před 10 měsíci

      Oh! didn't know that. Thankss! I remember playing these maps, it was cool and scary jajaja@@itsNatalieAtLeast

  • @standoidontwantalastname6500

    I'm surprised that the weird sliding thing he does in Sanatorium isn't listed on here, not only the fact that he does it to teleport but also the weird occasion that you'll see him just, glide across the room in an aimless, nonsensical direction. best example i can think of this is in DJ Morfar's playthrough of it
    czcams.com/video/9cjYOc5h-8c/video.html at 4:30
    and then also this guys video at 2:37
    czcams.com/video/8tgobJfSOCo/video.html
    Apparently this same thing can happen in Hospice, I distinctly remember there being a playthrough on youtube where it happened, they were walking down the troll face corridor when Slenderman just slid right past them and disappeared into the graffiti'd wall, can't find it anymore though.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

      I'm actually working on a follow-up video that comes out on the 11 year anniversary (Aug 12 '23) where this will be featured!

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

      Uhh so update, it's not gonna be released on the 11th anniversary anyway. But that does mean we don't have an actual release date at the moment

  • @DarkThePurple
    @DarkThePurple Před 5 měsíci

    I like this video

  • @DaniKH1
    @DaniKH1 Před 9 měsíci

    1:50 Count 13. Even if I didn't recorded it, I managed to beat Prison. Tbh, 7th Street felt more dificult than Prison. It was 2 years ago.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 9 měsíci

      "as of recording this, 12 people have documented"
      Documented = recorded
      Goo job though :)

    • @DaniKH1
      @DaniKH1 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@itsNatalieAtLeast Yeaah sorry, my bad. I didn't readed it properly.
      Also, I might kinda have the 1.0 version of Sanatorium, but it's on my old laptop, which is broken and kinda dead. If I manage to turn it on long enough, I could take a look for it.

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 9 měsíci

      @@DaniKH1 👀

    • @DaniKH1
      @DaniKH1 Před 9 měsíci

      @@itsNatalieAtLeast If I recall correctly, a friend shared it to me, but it was like years ago. I remember that compared to the SMS version, it looked really crispy. If I'm not able to find it through my files, maybe it might be somewhere on the wayback Machine website on the archive, idk.
      I'll comment back later if I find something interesting.
      Good video, btw. I really liked it!

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 9 měsíci

      @@DaniKH1 we have already checked the Wayback Machine and seemingly found nothing, so here's to hoping you have it
      And thank you :D I'm so glad this video did as well as it did!

  • @mrboat2580
    @mrboat2580 Před rokem

    Can i add, In Unity sanatorium. there was blinds in the toilets room

  • @itsNatalieAtLeast
    @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

    1000 views, let's go!!

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 6 měsíci

      Need to be consistent with replying to every comment, so here I am
      ..again

  • @jaelx3857
    @jaelx3857 Před rokem

    Este juego siempre fue uno de mis favoritos, y siempre lo amare y jugaré por siempre

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem +1

      ¡Definitivamente es uno de mis juegos favoritos también!
      (Perdón por mi mal español, tuve que quedarme con Google Translate 😅)

    • @jaelx3857
      @jaelx3857 Před rokem

      @@itsNatalieAtLeast no te preocupes hermano 😅

  • @mrboat2580
    @mrboat2580 Před rokem

    So i guess i am the one responsible for adding the blinds in unity sanatorium because i could be one of the first that mentioned that

  • @theokuschke2132
    @theokuschke2132 Před rokem

    i´ve watched this video like 50 times now (this is not a joke)

  • @simonghostriley7989
    @simonghostriley7989 Před rokem

    Why did you have to pass the prison in less than 130 seconds?

  • @kunierureal
    @kunierureal Před 8 měsíci

    bueno.

  • @mrick7113
    @mrick7113 Před 11 měsíci

    Okay, first of all some of Marc’s answers sounded as if he wasn’t the one that created the Game 😂😂 second of all after all these Years it really does bother me that sanatorium ( the first Game in the series after the original ) doesn’t have a story about the character and why is he there Collecting pages

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 11 měsíci +2

      1. Do keep in mind that he was 17/18 at the time, plus he works at Microsoft now, so he's probably prioritising that over remembering small details about a spin-off series he made 11 years ago.
      2. Yeah I can see what you mean, but I think it's for the better. I mean, take the gun ending into account. Even Marc was cringing at it during his reaction to this video last year

    • @mrick7113
      @mrick7113 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@itsNatalieAtLeast yeah I know, I’m aware 😅😅 nevertheless he Did a great job and Made 2012 great ! 😄

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 11 měsíci

      @@mrick7113 I completely agree, it's probably one of my favourite Slender games

  • @itsNatalieAtLeast
    @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před rokem

    2k views!!!

    • @itsNatalieAtLeast
      @itsNatalieAtLeast  Před 6 měsíci

      Need to be consistent with replying to every comment, so here I am