RPG Maker MV vz RPG Maker MZ
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The issue with MV is that a lot of the big names who used to make MV plugins (yanfly, some random dude, moghunter) are gone, so those plugins are abandoned/no longer supported. MZ is still getting new plugins from Visustella and others that have new features, that will never be available in MV. The only thing I wish MZ had was unique items, but the flexibility of plugin commands blow MV notetags out of the water.
Plugins commands instead of script calls are a near on godsend
Javascript > Plugin Commands,
however this is coming from Plugin Dev.
MV plugins not being updated isn't bad imo, as long as they're updated for 1.6.1/1.6.2 they good to use.
it's honestly MZ that's more worrying imo as they're the ones that have to deal with keeping up to date and not breaking when MZ updates.
Well at least MV has a huge library of plugins. MZ's library is not even close to it.
Probably the biggest issue with MZ is Visualstella tbh. The fact the plugins are all encrypted and the devs refuse to let small plugin devs make compatible plugins kind of kill the interoperability of plugins. Meanwhile in MV Yanfly's plugins were great since most people could make them compatible. If you want to just grab a bunch of scripts and go MV is the better option, but if you know JS MZ is probably better.
Another difference between MV and MZ is the easier porting to Phones, whereas on MV it was harder to port any of your RPG Maker games to phones, but MZ has a feature to export the files needed for a phone version. And for RPG Maker Unite, in some images/videos, it has been shown that there is gonna be an export feature for PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5, making console development for RPG Maker games much easier from the get go.
Being built on top of unity, I can imagine you'd be able to export it to most platforms.
@@LvLUpDesign Yeah, which I find quite exciting for the future of RPG Maker, I bet the next RPG Maker that will come out in 2025 or something will be "RPG Maker Unreal" built on Unreal Engine 5 xD
@@shadowthecatukVODS so many people are iffy about it being built on Unity but there is so much room to make the engine more powerful with it!
@@LvLUpDesign Yeah, Personally, I wouldn't choose unity myself as I find it oddly more complicated than Unreal Engine 5, but with Unite promising to keep the simplicity that RPG Maker is known for, then I am 100% Willing to try it out! (Oh yeah just remembered another thing about MZ that is better than MV, with MZ, you can use different sized Tilesets, like 16x16, and 32x32, makes it much more customizable)
@@shadowthecatukVODS u sure unity more complicated than unreal? Have u try both? Just checking bcoz I haven't try unreal.
Would love to see a tutorial on how to add a parallax/layered background that moves while the foreground stays stagnate. Hope you understand! I know you can even have up to 3 or more backgrounds all layered to create depth!
I got mv when it was on sale. MV was $17 but MZ was $44 so the choice was clear to me. I wasnt paying more than double for what reviewers told me was just some quality of life upgrades. I am definitely gonna grab unite when it comes out tho. I am hyped for a new adventure in game making.
@stevenroberts4178 It won't. No way the switch is running the entire Unity game engine.
rip unity
I currently have both. I’m using MV for the character creator, since I’m making beastmen and there are great fanmade assets, and I’m gonna put them into MZ since that’s the most recent.
Most likely doing too much, I know😂
Siiiiiggghhhh, everyone's talking about MV v MZ, now Unity
Meanwhile, here's me still dabbling on a game I've been messing with in RMVX Ace 😂
PS - like the new hair color 😊
Best advice is always to finish your current project instead of going up engine. Takes way too much time to convert.
Thanks. I'll be going pink or blue next.
I have both MV & MZ, bought them both while they were on sale last year. I tinkered around a bit and kinda quit because I felt way too overwhelmed with both. I feel like I didn't need both, personal preference though obviously I'd rather use MZ. The point I raise about this isn't my really about my personal preferences though.
I bring this up to more or less give a bit of a warning to others who may be considering buying either of the two. Make sure that it's something that you absolutely want to learn to do, because if not, you'll be like me who literally burned out within a week even after watching a few short & quick tutorials. Why? Because there's too many DLC to choose from and not enough information about them to get the best idea of what's necessary and what's unnecessary. The biggest issue I've dealt with regarding DLC resources isn't that spending money on them ending up becoming things that were a waste of money, for me the problem is that it became disorienting. What I mean by that is that nothing I tried artistically worked out the way I wanted. I wanted to start small by making a village with simple houses, none of them looked right, not even the inside of the houses looking right because creating the walls and floors always just looked incredibly wrong.
If I was any good artistically at drawing said structures and layouts (which I am better at doing than using MV/MZ,) I suck at it, but it'd look better than using either of these two (MV/MZ). And it isn't just a lack of confidence in drawing either, it's like I became my own biggest & worst critique of myself.
Like, I got several ideas for stories I want to write using these RPGM's, but none of the resources I tried through DLC work for me to look right. The aesthetics aren't exactly up to my standards I'd expect out of a game if I was playing someone elses game if that makes sense, like if I were to make a game, I'd want it to be a game that I'd definitely play. On top of that, regarding DLC resources, I don't think I even installed or plugged them in correctly because most of the ones I downloaded even showed up within the selections and I couldn't figure out how to add them even with following a tutorial on how to correctly.
So TL;DR, for anyone who's thinking about buying either of the two, just make sure 100% that it's something you want to do. It's gonna be a huge learning curve obstacle for you to take on so just be certain before you make these purchases so that hopefully, it won't feel like a waste of money to you.
For me as I said at the start, I got them at a huge sale discount so it doesn't feel like that huge of a waste for me. Wish you the best!
I don't blame you and I fully understand. When I decided to get into this recently, a huge amount of the time I spent at the beginning was in reading about art and perspective, and practicing. Then I spent a lot of time studying the exceptionally made FSM tileset sample maps, which are included with the asset packs. Trying to draw maps in RPG maker used to confuse the heck out of me. I spent a lot of time answering questions like "Why does this map look good?" "Why does this feel bad to move around in?" "Why are all of these walls 2 tiles high, and not 4 tiles high?" "Why did they need to make these tiles line up?" There's a lot of invisible logic at work in visual art.
Maybe someone should make a video series talking about math, perspective, and symmetry in map design. If you can't visually perceive what's trying to be implied by the tiles, it can be very hard to express an idea coherently in a map. Most of my brain-hurty moments learning this engine were from confusion about tiles and map design.
@@ccl1195 Yeah, I kinda feel like looking forward towards RPGM Unity, from the looks of it the tile sets appear to connect more smoothely and less janky where-as in RPGM MV/MZ as I've noticed, it takes a tiny bit of guess work to connect tiles. Not too much guess work, just every time I tried connecting walls with the floors and the top part of the walls, it always looked weird and I never knew/ understood how most game developers seem to make it look seamless.
In RPGM Unity from the looks of it there's more rounded curve tiles so it'll be interesting to see how exactly those tiles connect to each other.
Heck, just today I downloaded an RPGM MZ games demo and there were so many buildings where the walls clipped through what's supposed to be the roof and some parts of the roof weren't closed off so you could walk on the roof. When I saw that I was like "Yikes! That's not supposed to do that. lol"
I'm quite behind the times... But, I definitely fall into the category of MV owners who wonder if the upgrade is worth it. Thanks for the info 🤘
I'm not sure "Wait for Unite" is the greatest advice, even if the product comes out in a timely fashion this year. From what I can tell, it's not going to be a standalone development package the way MV or MZ is--it will be a plugin that you can install on top of Unity, basically bringing a few RPGM features to that software. You'll need to sign up and get Unity first before you'll be able to get Unite.
Unity if free tho.. why don't give it a shot? Maybe u'll like it more than MV just like me..
Unity is free(until you make a lot of money on your game think around $500k+ in a year) and is also a great triple-A game engine, I don't see an issue. Unless you're talking about having to run both at the same time. Which isn't going to happen it launches as a sand alone ontop of unity(like a normal game made with Unity). So you just have to have unity installed.
Are there any trial versions of either of these, though?
At the moment people have been hating on the current release of RPGMaker Unite but to be honest to me all the bugginess of it so far is worth it simply for the fact that it’s built on Unity (which will let you export to basically anything) is worth it, but then I remember that SMILE had a Unity project exporter in 2018, it’s kinda crazy how underrated it is... the answer was SMILE Game Builder all along!
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I like the hair what a stud😎
It's as if you knew I was thinking about buying one of these.
I did. I made this video specifically with you in mind.
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Greetings people :D I have a question for ya. Is it possible to hide the "Key Items" in the shop? My "Key Items" are basically my "Questlog" which always worked fine until I did a shop. There I see (and could) sell my Quests which I don´t want to. So is it possible to hide them in the shop? Oh and is it possible to close the shop after you bought a specific item? Thanks already in advance and have a nice day ^^
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Hope we can port Mz to Unite.
Probably not going to be a thing. Completely different engines. Best thing is to finish your current MZ project before starting something on Unite.
What up!!!
i went straight for mz, having a blast, installed it about 30 hours ago, clocked 12 hours already lol, problem i have for not waiting for unite, is that i dont think my laptop can take it.. so im sticking to mz for the time being i think
Good video. 3 months ago I watched videos by you, ToastyTime, Caz, and some others I've forgotten and was instantly convinced, hands down, to go MZ instead of MV. I am so thankful I did, and it is making my tiny little game design dreams come true. I read all the toxic, insular gripes- "MZ doesn't look any different!" and "Oh no mean people are going to make me pay for things!" all of which were completely unfounded and entirely ridiculous. Yes, I will yell about this every chance I get, as someone who has worked in arts fields. I put MZ on my wish list on Steam and sniped it, and many asset packs there and on Itch during the Summer Sales. Anyone else can do the same. If you really want to make a nice game and you need the ease of use of these engines, spend your money, don't hamstring yourself cheaping out, and get started right now today.
Looking back today on my 500+ hours of work which is going great, I cannot fathom how behind I'd be now that I have a better understanding of the QoL features that MZ has, and MV lacks. It was confusing enough to learn the 4-layer tile system, and how to map and make things look correct- Imagine if I had to do that in MV? I don't want to imagine it. etc. etc. I frequently run multiple complex parallel processes in MZ and have yet to have problems with the engine chugging, unless I've written an event very poorly and needed more education- which I can quickly get from the RPG Maker forums, or from educational sites on Javascript.
I would never abandon the stability, performance, and QoL I have today from MZ, and the robust toolkit I purchased from Visustella which was worth every penny and more. Of the few bug reports I have sent them about plugins, they fixed well-nigh immediately. I owe them everything. That's top-tier support, fueled by passion and commitment.
The one criticism of MZ I will make is the RTP Tileset. There is some confusion there and lack of cohesion of style, which actually did slow down my learning curve with map design- Look at the log cabin tiles for example. I bought MV on sale for like eighteen bucks or something- just buy that so you have commercial rights to MV's much more attractive and cohesive tileset, and you can import it easily into MZ. Lastly, except for MV plugins your project may use, it is extremely easy and quick to import an MV project into MZ- the instructions are in the user guide. I've done it myself, it's completely painless.
Thanks again Liam- This is Clockwork Figure on Itch, designing Pig Thief Sorcerer. 💯👍 PS: You deserve some deals, you're a great spokesperson for the engine.
yeahh imma just wait for unite at this point... but man... manual layers sure are tempting...
i just saw a trailer for the Unity one, and damn i am going to get that one instead, i want to get my daughter involved in this and that one seems a lot easier for younger people....(esp when you did stuff like scratch)
I was wondering ... If im able to make a specific character name became a name I choose depending on what I named a Character.
Kinda like was it FF Tactics with Marche if I change his name to something else like Cid or etc there were a few EasterEggs .
However what Im saying If I choose Character 9 to be as an example Jin is a name I decided to input , the next character IF character 9 name is Jin another actor name is by default Kyra . However if Character 9 is not named Jin then the original name of the next character would be Lyra.
Just want to know if I can create this easter egg. Becuz eventually Id like to have someone im interested in be in the game but only that specific name is revealed when the Player uses my Name as the MC . But other players will have a differ name of the Female MC.
can you do a tutorial for RPG maker MV? Ive been trying to find a tutorial on this all day and cant figure it out. I have an event to be able to pick up an item (a book) and i have the graphic of the book set up only in the event, i added some text about the book and then i tried to add options "Pick it up?" yes or no, if i pick it up itll tell me i picked it up and its added into my items and if i hit no itll be left the same and i dont have it in my items inventory. however i want the book to disappear when i pick it up. any tips?
then i also wanted to add a cutscene after and ONLY when the book is picked up that a killer or a chaser suddenly appears
Hi Misti, have a look at my tutorial on Conditional Branches and see if that helps you at all :) czcams.com/video/PIonXFoDx6U/video.html
@@LvLUpDesign I'm sorry, it didn't help. I understand a bit of the conditional branches but I guess I'm looking for something to specific to be a tutorial anywhere online
@@LvLUpDesign i might be able to get it to work, but how do i make the graphic of the book disappear once its picked up? thats the main issue
@@LvLUpDesign this is what I have set up;
Event 1 to transfer my player:
if "picked up book" is ON
(blank, later I'll try and transfer my player to a new map)
Else "I think I need to look around more.."
Set movement route: player 1 step backwards
Event 2, the book:
"what an odd book.."
"Pick it up?"
Yes, change items: mysterious book + 1
No
End
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If self switch A isn't on the book is there on the table, I can see it and interact with it, if I pick it up it's still there. But if I have the self switch on the book isn't there when I try to test it
OK im looking to create an RPG version of Castlevania based on the Netflix series. I will start as Trevor Belmont and as I progress through the game I will unlock new party members. Which would you recommend to this this project. MZ or MV
Ngl I really wish I saw a video like this when I bought MV a year ago XD
Both were on sale at a massive discount but because MV was cheaper by default the discount was slightly larger and so I cheaped out lol
I love MV but maaan I'm regretting not having some of these features
Also I see RPG Maker Unite is available now as an asset store item on unity but it's also available on steam at some point. If one were to buy it on steam will they still need unity too like with the asset store item or is it a stand alone version?
@@Daark_Karma hold off on it for now. Let's see how they update the engine over the next few months. For now I'd recommend sticking with the engine you own.
I saw the sale but couldn't decide lol i still have vx ace and xp but they're a bit old now
it really annoys me that the prices are so high always i will not pay 50 euros (when its sale bruh) for mz i really hope rpg maker unite is something good
One year later and now we know RPG Maker Unite for Unity is bad. Very bad. Hopefully it will be up to snuff in another year or two.
Wgy are you holding the mic up to the camera for the entire video? Is it supposed to be some sort of flex?
Nah, not flexing. I don't have a mic arm, and the further away the mic is the more echo it picks up in the room. I should probably just buy the mic arm though.
@@LvLUpDesign Fair enough - I got my mic arm at a music store for about $15 iiirc.
When is MZ coming to console thats the real question
but doesn't making games on the console suck?
@@jbgs1 not always
MZ lacks a linux version
Thanks was looking for someone to mention this.
....watches video after buying both engines and multiple mods....
Be a man, get RPGM2k3
i honestly think learned making your own without rpg maker packages is less restrictive etc. obviously you need to learn code, but still. cause with rpg maker mv etc you need people like yanfly to make the game fun, but if you made your own game you wouldn't need to rely on any of that nonsense. (software engineer 10 years)
The appeal of RPG Maker is that you can make a game, instead of spending years learning how to code properly, and let professional coders do the coding while you do all the other stuff (which is no small task in and of itself, many people spend years). But hey, you are super cool.
Unity Engine isn't worth it. your basically agree to give them most of profits just for being able use the engine. and thats on top of buying RPGMaker Unite which i heard is going a per project licence
? only after you make $50k revenue you start giving them 5%. if you think about it that's a bargain. you ever created your own engine before? its an insane amount of knowledge and labor. thats why most video games are made with unity and unrealengine.
of course not games like rpg maker. I'm talking actual games made from scratch
@@joeman123964 yeah, ur right 👍🏼.
btw 5% is not even near of 'most of the profit' lol
@@sorrybutimustsay9217 exactly.
example: Hearthstone was made using Unity. they made (so far) $700 million since their launch in 2014. subtract 5%
makes it $665 million.
I've been using Unity for years and trust me it is SO EASY to make games. and they also connect with Steam games company. you can literally export your Unity project to Steam with a click of a button! no programming necessary.
Okay everyone so I've reached out to my contacts at Gotcha Gotcha Games and their official response is the following.
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The comment is false. Unity rules do apply but that is not how Unity pricing works.
Unity: Only if all content created with Unity Personal earns a total of $100,000 per year will you switch to a paid subscription model.
We have no idea where the fake info "RMU being per project license" came from...
You can say you asked via our corporate mailbox and we officially denied this.
Unite is not standalone and requires Unity to run, but beyond that it is still a one time payment just like other RMs.
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Hope that addresses any rumours
RPG Maker Unite is shxt
So… uh…
About RM Unite…
nintendo
Dude stop telling people to "download the trial" when on at least one OS, Mac, you literally can't because it doesn't exist.
In that case you could run a virtual Windows machine on your Mac OS, or if you didn't want to do that, then that narrows the options down. Although the point of this video was to consider waiting until Unite comes out which is a toolkit for Unity which does run on Mac OS.
Rpgmaker unite is still not out yet... any updates?