Do Quakers Believe in Heaven?
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Filming and Editing by Christopher Cuthrell
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Transcript:
Rashid Darden:
I would like to say heaven is a large bookstore and where all the books are free. I think of Heaven as returning to a singular consciousness with the Creator, the Divine, and with my friends and family who had the mysteries of the universe unveiled to them before me.
Lucy Duncan:
Early Quakers were not interested in heaven. They believed that it was all about focusing on the life that you had. And I believe that we can -- and our role as Quakers is -- to create heaven on earth. And what is involved in that is in transforming relationships, transforming the earth, transforming and moving beyond capitalism and white supremacy. “This is the day the Lord has made. Let us delight in it and rejoice in it.” We can live as though we're creating heaven in the way that we are with other Quakers, with the people that we're interacting with in our families, that we can really think about our life as a as a fractal, a seed for the what broader heaven that we're trying to create.
Erin Wilson:
I think the scripture context about heaven and the way that we picture it in society doesn't match. We create songs for children to learn about, you know, the mansion in the sky and, you know, in my father's house, there's many rooms created into this fun song. I mean, we've taken so much of our understanding of what heaven is from a vision that one man had and wrote in a different language and then translated it.And also it had to pass through counsels of men who had their own opinions on things to even be put into the Bible. I don't think that it exists in the way that we're taught that it exists, and I think it would be wonderful to live in a peaceful, beautiful society with people after we die. I don't know that I think the way I've been taught is real, and I'm okay with that. Not knowing is totally fine, but I think the certainty that we're taught about what heaven will be like and the truths that exist in Scripture versus things that we've decided, our truths maybe don't align.
Lynette Davis:
I think that my background in the Baptist Church still forms a lot of my thoughts around concepts like Heaven and Hell. I'm not so sure that I have sat with that from where I sit as a Quaker, but I will say this: I do believe that essentially we are energy and that energy is not really destroyed. And so, even when we leave this vessel, our flesh, that last breath that we take is spirit, our spirit, our energy evolving into the next level of who we are supposed to be, in whatever form that is. In that, there is a place, a container, for that spiritual energy to reunite with God, with the Oneness. And I feel that heaven is that oneness.
Khary Bekka:
I don't believe in the Theory of Heaven and Hell. It goes against common sense. And I don’t really prescribe to the tenets of the Bible, as people do. Do yourself a workshop, I call this a workshop, where you ask your self: Jealousy..is that a higher or lower human emotion? Higher means a righteous lower means not so righteous. A lower? Okay...discrimination? Higher or lower human tendency? Showing favoritism, is a higher a lower? Revenge? In the Bible, we attribute all these lower/higher characteristics to a higher power when it don’t make logical sense. Understand where I’m coming from? These are lower human characteristics, so how can you be attribute that to a higher power? It don't make rational sense. God feeling as if he's going to punish me, that's a tyrant, that don’t make rational sense. No, Heaven is a mentality that you make in your mind. You hear me? You work to create a heaven on earth, you hear me? That’s internally and you express outwardly till you get a community of people around you. But, as far as reward and punishment and spirituality...no. That doesn't make rational sense.
Rashid Darden:
Quakers really like the light and use that illusion a lot. But there is also a children's book about God's holy darkness that I want to sort of reference. I think of Heaven as a swirly darkness where all the colors, the people, the things, the institutions, all the knowledge of the universe is in one place together. And that it's an infinite state of being where everything is perfect. I believe that I have dreamed of heaven at times. I believe that heaven is here. I think it's with us. I think it's in a sense something we can't see and can't know in our current state...
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My heart! There are people who relate out there?! Living in the Bible Belt has been so challenging because of these concepts.
It seems to me that Quakers are seeking to be a Zion people, one with God - something that many modern Christian denominations have forgotten about. I agree that heaven isn’t a goal for the next life; we’re to strive to bring heaven to earth. This is what puts us in right relationship w God.
I really like these videos as they helped me get into Quakerism I recently have been going to a meeting house as well. A suggestion I have (if you have not done so already) is to make a video on the concept of Agape and how Quakers view this type of God love or all-encompassing love.
Wonderful perspectives! When we stop confusing God with Santa Claus, the reward/punishment duality, we begin to realize that the kingdom of Heaven is within all of us❤
make peace with yourself first always. no matter the situation.
I love this video ❤🙏🙂✝️🥰, thank you. It's another wonderful video from Quaker Speak.
I came to Quakerism late and it's very hard to find instruction. Quakerism, by design, has little to no dogma and as such, is rarely compiled in written form. So I'm not certain if what I believe is fully in accordance with the movement as a whole, but I have come to see the afterlife as being an extension of this one. The soul is a slippery concept and not easily defined. I think some aspects people commonly associate with the soul probably aren't really part of it. But in as much as God is part of you in this life, you will be part of God in the next. The tables turn. As much as you allow God to see through you now is how much God allows you to see through him once you pass. You become one with God. I think much of the sense of self and individual identity will disappear. Memories too, seem to be encased in the flesh. It is only the bare essence that continues, and even then only as much of it as has shown itself able to share the experience.
imho:lucifer means bright star & was seen to fall, the ego is the 5 senses.sight.taste.smell.touch & hearing in the earthly body. these senses are the soul entwined with the spiritual side of the 5 senses.in the bible the spiritual aspect is known as the right hand, as the sun rises in the east.new life. the left hand side is the way of suffering & darkness the sun sets in the west, memories are also about looking backwards. Quakerism allows me to be ok in my skin with my own view of God/the light & my understanding of the Christ.along with my belief in reincarnation of the soul, & karma. which most religous institutions will not allow, also they dont seem to like females. as a Quaker i feel free to be.
Nailed it!
Wonderful!!!
Do you get saved?
The whole Bible is unfortunately manipulated, even some things that Jesus supposedly said he never said. There is an CZcamsr named Bobby Collier and his CZcams channel Good god. He is very good at distinguishing what Jesus can really have said and what he cannot have said, otherwise he would be contradicting himself.
I am pretty sure there is plenty of evidence it isn't, my friend
Like to listen here
I knew the answers would be vauge.
Vague. I think the answers are no more vague than the imaginings of mainstream Christianity.
Ive seen no commonality among these friends or even the title Quaker. I cant understand how a rational mind would be so open and out of order yet be in a religion.
I had no clue and find this mind boggling.
I'm more interested in what we can do here on earth.
Who could know the mind of God? Who could possibly have a mind like God? When speaking about Heaven and Hell, I believe that Heaven is what you believe it is and I believe that the energy within the person will attract the same energy when they leave the body. For instance, a murderer will be with other murderers. It is the same at the other end of the spectrum. If you are a loving being who believes in Heaven as a place of pure love then you will find that you will exist there with others like you. And there are different degrees of both. Also the Heaven you believe in is different than the Heaven someone else believes in. Spoken from one who died and came back.
Thanks to all!
They are closer to the old christians communities or "the way" like they were called in first century A.D. Then people who worshipee had no priests pastors or rigid structures. They had some form of leadership but doubtful they worshipped in the structural method of today. Unilkely the Greeks read from the old testament as books were rare and having a Greek old testament would hace been harder while the new testament was still in formation.😂
Is Jesus God?
Search for the first Videos of Bobby Collier and you gonna see nobody discoverd the Bible like him