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Honda Civic - Diagnosis Part I - The Compression Test
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2017
- It's time to get started on the "new to me" Civic and see if we can get some direction as to what the next step is going to be. In this episode we check the compression on the Civic to see if we can get some direction and gather the data before we tear into it.
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Thanks for walking us through the diagnosis and sharing your thoughts. Thanks!
Good morning Eric. I hope your having a great week end. Thank you for the tips in this video. I never paid much attention to the color of the metal on a plug so that was one of those "ah ha" moments. I like this little car so I hope you can save it.
nothing is sweeter than the chirping of a honda engine when it starts.
Cool working on the Honda. I think the head gasket replacement will cure its ailments. Thanks for getting the series on it's way.
Loving the series already Eric
OMG CAN'T WAIT FOR PART 2!!! Great series already :) Makes me want to buy a not so good running car and fix it up!
Have a caddy Eldo. w/ the Northstar engine I'll sell you cheap.
Feel free to help me figure out why I'm running lean on bank 1 (LTFT goes beyond +10%) on my Trans Am, I've been ripping my hair out in frustration about it!!
Old school or not, this seems so much more accurate than guessing based on relative starter motor amperage. Great start!
I'm enjoying the series already,can't wait to see more..🔧🔦
Eric I jumped on for the ride gonna be a very interesting video don't want to miss it
I hope you keep this series going. Looks like a good one. I enjoy all your videos. Thanks hope you get that hondu running
That's normal-sounding around here! Change the oil and put it up for sale on Craigslist. $4999 O.B.O No tire kickers I know what I got.
I hardly do static compression testing anymore but I like a lil' old school that served it's purpose until we started doing leak-down tests. I can't wait until you do a leak-down on the #1&2 and see if you get blow-by between them or into the cooling system especially with the overheating symptoms. Now we have relative compression & running compression tests but nothing replaces the sound of air rushing out of a cylinder into the intake, exhaust, adjacent cylinder, cooling system, etc..and no diagnosing waveforms "Old School" :O On the other hand Man I love my Pico...you can turn anything into a science experiment
Can't wait the next episode :)
Eric - after all is done - can you show us the difference how good and blown cranking engine sounds like???
All the best
66k suscribers erick!i remember when i was 1300..keep up the good work..!am learning a lot from you tx..
"Runs kinda poopie" I like the technical diagnostic terms you use. Lol. Nice vids. I enjoy watching.
Great series...the suspense is killing me!
This will be a good series.
Love these kind of videos, thanks Eric :)
Great Video. This is going to be a good series. The "wait for it" video moment makes it's presence known. Now begins the ever long and drawn out coffee drinking - counter top tapping waiting period. I'm betting that no matter what is found it won't be a challenge for you. Oh yeah... My bet was all four leaking. I just didn't think the worse one would come from the middle of the head. In degree from bad to better was #4, #1, #3 with #2 being the least of the bunch. The coil boots tell you a lot but not the whole answer.
Honda for Hanna...the journey begins.
Shhhhh! lol
I bet the radiator bubbles on #1 & #2, and a smoke test with hand rotation of engine would be great, too.
Love your channel man!!!
"Her's your problem lady......the engine is in backwards!" lmao
Done a couple of head jobs on these engines. Pretty easy for a head to pull. Been looking for ones with blown heads or over heats for sale to fix up for my mom to drive
9:38 "who guessed number one?" I did dude and it was because of the color of the thread on the plug. In my experience it's usually the 1 that's that color that the cylinder has took the brunt of it. Old video but just thought I would mention it love ya content dude 😁
great stuff Eric ...
Despite half the compression packing it's suitcases and leaving, it still runs. Silly little things are dammed near bulletproof. When I was sixteen my father bought me a 1981 model. Despite being used to do reverse donuts, roll backs, being severely overheated and being used to have race down to the local beach (ahhhh the smell of smouldering brake pads) it just would not quit. I ended up selling it for $50 just to get it off the lawn when I got something with more power.
I am glad we weren't betting. I guessed the wrong cylinders. Cool series so far though...Keep them coming.
Hi!
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My grease is made by"Permatex".
Already waiting for part2..!! :-)
that thing starts up and runs surprisingly well for as much damage as I suspect it has at least that what it sounds like on the camera
Good video The burning question is will it need an engine, or just major cylinder head work as well as a gasket ?
My daughter drove my '89 Volvo 740 6.5 miles ( going by the mileage for the tow home) with the cooling fan and water pump in the trunk of the car. It got hot. After the tow home I put it back together with a new pump and drove it for 9 months before the head gasket gave out.
Once it's done that would be a sweet first ride for your assistant Hannah!
when i get out of worm at 3am i wait a little to see my favorite channel. then go to sleep.
That car is too good to scrap but is a good project car.good to see we are making a start thumbs up eric.
And the plot thickens..... Thanks for the video.
Once the head is off more will be revealed. From what I've seen thus far I'd be tempted to do only the head and head gasket and drive it and watch for over heating. With the right owner that car ought to get another 100K miles down the road. Great series explaining how much time and effort (money) to put into a car like this. How good is good enough considering the circumstances? That's the question. I've dragged many cars home and got them up and running, most of them worked out some were a money pit. Eric knows what he is doing, it's a gamble but the odds are in his favor.
Hey Eric, put a Chevy engine in it and you'll never have a problem!!! LOL Bloody 3 o'clock appointment dude screwed up all the fun. Can't wait to watch the next vid.
This Is Gonna Be A Good Series!!! -Gets Popcorn
Anibal Misael way better cause Eric will show us the process and not worry about fancy editing 😀 that's why his channel is as popular as it is
Not a bad looking car might be worth spending a little on her.
my call was 1 and three were gonna be lowest three being worst of the two but 4 surprised me being relatively good
Another great video.😶🌫
OUCH! That was my ear.....LOL. Looks like you got a pretty good project car in your hands Eric O. Hoping it works out like you want it to. Do you have any big plans for it after you get all the repairs done that's needed?
working for Honda for years I must have condemned and rebuilt 100 D17 motors lol. I personally enjoy that body style though..Order an ELD now ! lol
might get away with just resurfacing the head new gasket bottom end sounded pretty good
Eric o - Check rad plastic for signs of heat damage. They like too crack after overheating. Plastic will turn whitish/grey.
Hey Eric, do you ever use a bore scope? It would make for a great addition to your great videos.
Can you do a compression check on a cold engine. My 91 Honda Civic turns over but will not start it seems to be getting air gas and spark. Wanted to check compression. It does have new timing belt ignition switch and relay. Thanks 👍
It’s like being in school this one with a student project car 👍🏻🇬🇧
Eric, I definitely think you should keep this Car and I think if it needs a New engine, get one. JDM Zone has great solid low mile Honda engines from Japan. just a thought. better than going the Junkyard route.
This engine is in the sad state. Hope you make something good out of it!
he's not getting a low mile engine from Japan...?
: ( he should.
I had a 1988 Toyota pickup with a 22R. I had the head gasket replaced three times. The third time, the Toyota-trained mechanism welded and surfaced the head. Apparently a bunch got through that had defective castings. Also, the harmonic balancer wore in the seal area and started spraying oil all over the engine compartment. Cam chain plastic guides broke too... :
Can't wait to see the head off, and the damage. She's in good hands though, no doubt about that.
Assuming the block is OK. Can this be rebuilt in the car?
I think the low compression is caused by both a blown cylinder head gasket & either a warped or worse still,a bent cylinder head where it's beyond machining flat !
Poor little Honda. I hope you can put it back on the road. Looks like a decent car. Also, leak down test can show compression going out the radiator in the case of a bad head gasket.
it seems you like Handooo Eric
I was going to guess #1 or #3 the last few engines jobs i had to put pistons and rings in under warranty those were the culprit cylinders... Btw if you ever get a 2013 Malibu with a 2.5 or any vehicle with a 2.5 and a P0411 and the solenoid valve works but there is no exhaust flow out the head, if you pull the exhaust manifold you will see 3 casting plugs, remove the end ones and clean all the carbon out of the ports... theres little slits that go in to the exhaust ports and they fill up with carbon. GM has us replacing heads under warranty, but cars are coming out of warranty, and i recently had to clean one out due to no part availability due to a redesign coming out in the next few months.
very good to know thank you
I did!
I wish I could come up there and work for you, I miss home, upstate, north chemung to be exact, just outside of lowman N.Y.
So if close to 175 PSI is good but not great, how high should the compression be on an engine in good condition?
Eric you might check the motor mounts. At 2:11 it looks like she's leaving the nest.
not sure if someone else pointed this out but isn't it procedure to put a battery charger on "jumpstart" mode so that the battery getting low does not affect the test?
starts and runs better than some of the cars i have driven.
I've scooped up half a dozen of these cars over the years. I just buy JDM engine off ebay. $500 and usually good for low mileage swap. Oil pans and a coolant sensor swap over. throttle bodies are not the same either.
south main auto repair,add commen rail system videos,air bleeding,starting problem issues extra...
Grate job, I can't wait for more:)Safe this car:)
Can't help but think that throwing a motor in her be best with your goal in mind. If you've got the time and patience -ya right- I think the bottom end will work out with only sorting the head.
new engine time Eric
When the Vtec kicks in under acceleration the wheels will break loose when you have it fixed. They are so fast.
Great Video Series Eric O very much Enjoying this series Super entertaining @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
pull start through the hood or right where the e brake is on toyota pick up.
Rags2Wrenchs hahaha wat
10:03 - i thought for a second Eric was about to go into "Euclid's Axioms and Common Notions " , " Things which are equal to the same thing are equal to each other"
lightningsmokerXx if a=b and b=c then a=c type stuff?
Dont you have to pull the cylinder head to see the damage done?
Isn't it somewhere around 80psi the bare minimum for a cylinder to contribute on a gas engine? The #1 plug looks like it got nice and toasty!
normal compression should be minimum 175 up to 195
Today's engines are pushing 200, old school pre-emission days would be happy with 125 average and start calling for overhaul in the 60s or lower. But usually at 60 you already have a vague idea it's about done for.
Was it Mrs. O's Odyssey? ;)
put some oil on the pistons and you know if there are some broken piston rings due to the excessive heat.
Very true but I have also found on an badly over heated the rings and pistons can seem fine but 2 months down the line they turn belly up.
Does this make sense.... but I like these more DIY jobs that most can do. Don't get me wrong I like all the vids, but the ones that involve the in depth scanning and repairs that are near impossible with out a scanner are for me would just involve the car going to a shop. But hey...atleast I get whats going on and not completely clueless thanks to these videos.
Cars are becoming more and more computerized and high tech, so having the tools is the new game in automotive repair. Luckily a lot of scan tools can be rented at auto part stores for the DIY'ers own use.
Maybe you can get some vendors i.e.; parts,machine shop, etc for advertisement on this project since you are a very popular You Tube channel. Remember the guy with the scraper company.
I guessed #2, the swollwn coil gave it away, could of overheated the coil with coolant effecting the spark. Thats my theory, correct? i don't know
So how did the former owner let the car overheat? Bad radiator? Bad hose?
So " the little one" has low compression...Ahh bless...It wont be too long before " the little one" is feeling much better and sounding happy. Lets hope that it wont cost a fortune
My friend says to add some Marvel Mystery Oil and spray it with Sea Foam - he works at Pep Boys!
Right now there are 4 guys thumbs down. Too bad they can do that anonymously, would be fun to mock them.
All of them are in school learning how to tie shoe strings. We expect them to graduate and move on to bootstrap adjustment next winter.
So Is this a side project for you?or are you doing it during shop time,and billing it to the shop hoping to make it back if you sell it?i personally hate working on cars now for fun or after work,i don't want to use tools in my free time unless I'm getting paid for it...
That leak down test is going to show air through the radiator cap.
what's that whistling noise that the engine is making?
Alternator belt slipping, the battery has had a deep discharge and only a quick boost on the charger so after a start up the the alternator is working full field to bring the voltage up.
Wow, the guy melted that one down good! 1 out of 4 survived! Not good odds ...
Can't wait to see inside this one! Definite head gasket ... maybe some barbecued exhaust valves.
If it's worth rebuilding
N.3
Son of a diddly!
A severe case of compression regression. What happened to the car?
The cylinders haven't been weak for very long because the plugs are fairly clean and its not belching out blue, its got hot enough to blue a spark plug. That engine must have been pinging and snapping being that hot, surprised it cranks over and runs. When you blue a spark plug you know it got hot, to blue steel your melting aluminum at that heat. Pull the head off see what the cylinders are like. You really can't trust something when it got that hot, excessive heat does hidden damage that you can't see. Don't want to dump a ton of money into a beater car that when running is only worth 1500-2000 dollars.
The blue part is not steel though, it's some kinda cadmium coating of who can really know. The color change is significant, we just can't apply high carbon steel forge rules is all I'm getting at.
pull motor put forged pistons heavy forged components in it put it back together an drive till there's nothing left
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great video. would you be able to do a relative compression test on the PICO with an amp clamp around the battery cable? thank you. I've seen many good waveforms but rarely do i see one with low compression.
i guessed cylinder #2, what did i win?
Hey, I guessed (knew) three out of four upon hearing it crank.
Next time you're in up State N.Y. stop by the shop and collect your, Swift kick in the ass.. Just kidding. Maybe.
I guessed #1
this is going to be a interesting hondoo series, but if the engine is toast could you just get a lower mile engine from a junk yard, or is it cheaper to repair as your not charging yourself labor. also why have some clicked. thumbs down what's so bad that they don't like what they see 😀
I KNOW that sound... timing's jumped on that D17
or just over rev lead to a bent valve