Before I started playing this I was hoping to see a comment that said something like 'finally a documentary that just talks about the games.' Yours was the first one. :(
I know that's the sympathetic line last few decades but Joe did know, did take money and if you look at the boxscores of the early WS games, esp game 1 when they were all in on the fix, he was terrible and on purpose. As the series went on, there was less enthusiasm for it so besides Lefty and Eddie, most of the others started playing harder and so Joe's avg and performance looked legit
Comiskey knew a helluva lot more than anyone lets on. By no means, was he an innocent victim! If Joe Jackson went to management and said he didn't want to play and there was a lot of other chatter - Comiskey and management knew what was happening, and YET they chose to do NOTHING. I'd bet a lot of owners back then knew it was going on, lots of gambling and betting, but because it was part of the culture, I'm sure they figured they'd turn a blind eye to it. Hell, the owners may have very well been betting on their own teams too.
Jackson and Rose do not belong, and, they're never getting in. Jackson admitted during Grand Jury questioning that he accepted $5,000 payment. Case closed. The full transcript has been available online for more than 20 years.
Dick Allen has a legitimate argument. Jackson and Rose? eff them. You want to make the Hall? Here is a couple of suggestions? Don't throw a World Series. Don't violate the one rule, repeatedly, that comes with a lifetime ban. Pretty simple.
Since this documentary, much more information has become available which was not available to Eliot Asinof when he wrote his book "Eight Men Out" in 1963 and the 1988 John Sayles movie of the same title. Look up Eight Myths Out by Jacob Pomrenke for an updated and more accurate assessment of the 1919 World Series scandal.
I love eight myths but the problem I have with it is Pomrenke’s assertion it was all cooked up by the players and not the Gangsters which is according to player testimony back then. No player back then would dare name a gangster / gambler. Your talking 1919/20 Chicago. Killing a baseball player back then would have meant nothing to these guys. I think Pomrenke underestimates the power of Organized Crime of the time and their reach.
I don't agree with it myself, but until it becomes a bigger problem, nothing will change. Granted there was that scare with Ohtani which to be honest, there's stuff that they didn't tell people on that. And then you had that player from the Padres get banned. Eventually it's going to become a bigger problem but at the same time, the "integrity" of baseball isn't as highly regarded now as it was then
That's interesting...Swede Risbergs son mentioning his dad played in blackface...tried to pass himself off as black to earn a buck😮 That exchange at 48:15 between Cobb and Jackson hit me harder than I expected😔
As kay x says Comiskey was the cheapest bastard at that time in baseball all teams had the players uniforms cleaned except Comiskey AND Screwed Ciccotte in the last game took out with a 3-1 lead against Detroit and lost 10-9 And Ciccotte spit in Comiskey face..... ....
And just the because 1919 is the biggest and most famous betting scandal, it wasn't the 1st or the last. games were on the take all the time back then, but it was done quieter and with less people involved. Too many people in on it was the problem with 1919.
Classic Classic Sports was the right up there with the Biography Channel and the History Channel when it wasn’t about scumbags owning pawnshops.
Man those commercials bring back memories lol 😢
I miss espn classic it was great I wish they would bring it back
Yeah I do to.
"Eight men out" great movie
Agreed!!!
The guy who played Ring Lardner was the guy who produced the movie, John Sayles. He looked like a dead ringer for Lardner.
@@dustylover100 I don't think he produced it. He wrote the screenplay and directed it which is even more impressive!
You can never find a word about the 1919 Reds. The first champion for one of the oldest franchises in baseball history and its like it never happened.
Before I started playing this I was hoping to see a comment that said something like 'finally a documentary that just talks about the games.' Yours was the first one. :(
Not to mention Rousch is a HOFer people generally forgets about even for a Dead Ball era star.
As a society we usually focus on the bad things and not the good
Because their championship wasn't earned. 1919 reds might have been great but they weren't legitimate champions.
@@kumarg3598reds were the better team and would have won regardless
Shoeless Joe Jackson SHOULD be in the Baseball Hall of Fame, in my opinion!
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Definitely
I know that's the sympathetic line last few decades but Joe did know, did take money and if you look at the boxscores of the early WS games, esp game 1 when they were all in on the fix, he was terrible and on purpose. As the series went on, there was less enthusiasm for it so besides Lefty and Eddie, most of the others started playing harder and so Joe's avg and performance looked legit
True!!!
shouldn't have thrown the World Series then.
1:51 I wanna play baseball in 1919! That sounds fun as hell.
When ESPN did sports and not social justice.
Not LeBronSPN
Comiskey knew a helluva lot more than anyone lets on. By no means, was he an innocent victim! If Joe Jackson went to management and said he didn't want to play and there was a lot of other chatter - Comiskey and management knew what was happening, and YET they chose to do NOTHING.
I'd bet a lot of owners back then knew it was going on, lots of gambling and betting, but because it was part of the culture, I'm sure they figured they'd turn a blind eye to it. Hell, the owners may have very well been betting on their own teams too.
Joe Jackson , Pete Rose & Dick Allen belong in the HOF
Jackson and Rose do not belong, and, they're never getting in. Jackson admitted during Grand Jury questioning that he accepted $5,000 payment. Case closed. The full transcript has been available online for more than 20 years.
Nope.
Damn right they do.
I believe so too
Dick Allen has a legitimate argument. Jackson and Rose? eff them. You want to make the Hall? Here is a couple of suggestions? Don't throw a World Series. Don't violate the one rule, repeatedly, that comes with a lifetime ban. Pretty simple.
Since this documentary, much more information has become available which was not available to Eliot Asinof when he wrote his book "Eight Men Out" in 1963 and the 1988 John Sayles movie of the same title. Look up Eight Myths Out by Jacob Pomrenke for an updated and more accurate assessment of the 1919 World Series scandal.
I love eight myths but the problem I have with it is Pomrenke’s assertion it was all cooked up by the players and not the Gangsters which is according to player testimony back then. No player back then would dare name a gangster / gambler. Your talking 1919/20 Chicago. Killing a baseball player back then would have meant nothing to these guys. I think Pomrenke underestimates the power of Organized Crime of the time and their reach.
I hope they upload more of these
Ironically Rose played for the Reds
Shoeless Joe MUST be allowed InTo the Baseball HoF
why? He threw the Series. Eff him.
Today. FanDuel, MGM bet, Fox. Bet. Is ok?? Hypocrisy. THEY ALL GAMBLE.
You have a link to back up that claim? Or just baseless speculation?
@@bauerj3398 4U? No. You'll understand when U grow up.
I don't agree with it myself, but until it becomes a bigger problem, nothing will change. Granted there was that scare with Ohtani which to be honest, there's stuff that they didn't tell people on that. And then you had that player from the Padres get banned. Eventually it's going to become a bigger problem but at the same time, the "integrity" of baseball isn't as highly regarded now as it was then
Any Blue Jays games from 1999 to 2000?
What did Dick Allen do?
19:15 yes you forgot to mention they were totally useless yards as he never won a f*cking thing with them.
Training day commercial lehendary
That's interesting...Swede Risbergs son mentioning his dad played in blackface...tried to pass himself off as black to earn a buck😮
That exchange at 48:15 between Cobb and Jackson hit me harder than I expected😔
As kay x says Comiskey was the cheapest bastard at that time in baseball all teams had the players uniforms cleaned except Comiskey AND Screwed Ciccotte in the last game took out with a 3-1 lead against Detroit and lost 10-9 And Ciccotte spit in Comiskey face..... ....
Rigged for Hyman Roth the lanskys the sheer profit of rigging the over and under the wind and losses the points is absurd
And just the because 1919 is the biggest and most famous betting scandal, it wasn't the 1st or the last. games were on the take all the time back then, but it was done quieter and with less people involved. Too many people in on it was the problem with 1919.