Fine Audiovisual Offering Mr. Eugene Enrico. The first person account made it all the more intimate. Kudos Mr. Tom Huston Orr for a superb performance with a glint in your eye! And to The Men in Black, superb performance indeed. Thank you.
Should I just call this a "Drama-Documentary" or should I call it a "Masterpiece of Fine Art"? Whatever - it is magnificent to the point of perfection. The locations, architecture, costumes, musical excellence of composition by the incomparable Bach combined with the beautiful performance(s) by the Akademie für Alte Music, the precise engineering of the audio and photographic recordings, the script, and its superb delivery by the narrator Tom Huston Orr as C.P.E. Bach: were all immaculate. What else can I say, other than I enjoyed it immensely throughout the whole production and I give my heartfelt thanks to everybody involved in the creation of this glorious feast of cinematography that is truly fit for a King.
@@herrickinman9303 : " The commentary in the video is mostly fiction. " ; Whatever! [ you're entitled to your opinion ] but the only "commentary" seems, to me, to be the excellent drama-documentary style screenplay script wherein C. P. E. Bach … ( the 5th of J. S. Bach's 20 children - that He Himself fathered from two historically known wives ) … is depicted as a "post-mortem" narrator recounting, his own recollections about his Father and other contemporary musical acquaintances who interacted with "Fredrich the Great". I don't profess myself to be a historically accurate "Bach Scholar" per se : beyond having read, played, and adequately understood ( much of ) the available record … ( to my own satisfaction ) …of the music and life history of the incomparable J. S. BACH Himself and as such, … ( having been unable to criticise any of), … the rhetoric that was exquisitely divulged : by Tom Huston Orr's outstanding portrayal of a thoroughly credible rendition of … ( what appears, to me, to be ) … a heartfelt Eulogy to his rightfully ( & now globally ) revered Father.
@@jimhill4725 My observation is not an opinion. There are several factual errors. The video also makes things up. E.g., we have no record that Bach told the king that his Silbermann fortepianos were too hard to play. That was a criticism that Bach had addressed to Silbermann himself in the 1730s. Bach didn't meet the king until 1747! Surely, Silbermann had made a few improvements by then. If you search YT for "ricercar fortepiano" you can hear Leo van Doeselaar playing the 3- and 6-part ricercars from Musical Offering on a fortepiano after Gottfried Silbermann, 1746, the year before Bach met the king in Prussia at his Potsdam residence. The instrument is evidently not too hard to play. The video claims that the king in Prussia had assembled the best musicians in Germany. Not true. The best musicians in Germany at the time belonged to the Saxon Electoral/Royal Polish Court in Dresden, which in Bach's day was the opera capital of Germany. I find the actor's phony German accent very annoying. Also, what you characterize as a "heartfelt Eulogy" is really an obituary or short bio. You're confusing eulogy and obituary.
@@herrickinman9303 - Thank you "bro" : I really enjoyed reading your well considered reply. I would really love to discuss this difference of opinion, further, over a table full of Brandy, Coffee, and English Strong Ale the like of which Bach Himself once enjoyed just as much as I still do : czcams.com/video/nifUBDgPhl4/video.html
J.S.Bach a religious man surely believed in the resurrection and what a surprise will be for him when he come back to life to learn that he did became the most celebrated composer of all time.
What a delightful presentation. Always a joy to hear the trio sonata performed well. My first year of history at UTAS I first learnt about Frederick the Great when I was in my 50s. Now I’m in my 70s I might find the time to read more about the enlightened monarch...
@@warrenwongcomposer4274 One of the best vids I've seen on Fredrick and Bach. Loved the comment when Fredrick asked JS Bach what he thought of the piano. Bach's reply was priceless and kinda showed that Bach spoke to the King like a fellow musician. I'm not musically inclined, but I know what I like. Bach's music, whether concerto or cantata, puts me on a whole other plain of consciousness. Very few composers can do that for me. Cheers.
@@warrenwongcomposer4274 Yes. The vid where Bach's 2nd or 3rd son narrates his father's 1st meeting with the King. The quartet played period instruments. Absolutely fantastic! The fellows that played looked like they were having a blast with the music. Everyone of them looked enthralled to be preforming at Sansucci (?) . I know I would have been overwhelmed to be in that setting. Absolutely beautiful!
@@warrenwongcomposer4274 Loved the video and the music. Historical context was amazing. The actor did a great job conveying the moment and the back story of both Bach and Fredrick. Wonderful!
Thank you for this! Mr. Orr is great as CPE Bach and the instrumentalists play the most beautiful rendition of the Trio Sonata I've heard. I have to give a "shout out" to Mr. Huntgeburth: the baroque "flauto traverso" is an extremely difficult instrument to master, and Mr. Huntgeburth makes it seem easy.
Probably not. Bach looked down on the new musical developments after 1740 as kind of decay of the old style, which he was mastering as nobody else, not even Händel.
The Key of C Minor highlights all the faults of the old flute; the work sounds far better in tune on the modern flute; and the absence of vibrato on the flute contravenes the instructions of Quantz himself.
Mr. Enrico: Beautiful, excellent, informative, well-done. But it seems to me you have omitted the aspect of Bach's knowing that the theme was a "grand seigneur's joke" (the phrase Schoenberg used) played upon him, and this is a huge omission. Was this deliberate?
I wish you would explain. I'm having difficulty understanding the relevance of Schoenberg's comment. I realized he is an admired 20th century composer, but I don't know if he can be considered a scholar of Bach or the music of that era.
I haven't come across any official historic correspondence where Bach acknowledged the Royal theme to be a joke. His dedication to King Frederick would appear quite the opposite.
@@danawinsor1380 Hello Dana, Jalapablo: To my knowledge, Schoenberg's voice on this matter is not that of a performer, critic, or musicologist, but rather of a composer with great knowledge and insight. And the 'drama' I'm referring to was played out largely implicitly, rather than via letters from Bach and so on. May I refer you to the following items (on line): 1) Arnold Schoenberg, short essay on The Musical Offering, in Style and Idea (Leonard Stein, UC California Press): Part IX (Composers), #1 (Bach), Part 2. 2) CZcams: Michael Parloff: Lecture on Bach's 'Musical Offering' at Music@Menlo 3)CZcams: Bach: My name is Bach ENG SUBS 4)"The Art of Feud," James Gaines, The Guardian, 2005 Jan 14
After his victories against the Empress of Austria these things had become obsolete. He was no longer the vasall of the empress, he now was a rebel against the old constitution of the Holy Roman Empire, and after having prevailed against the former central power Austria he could carry whatever title he liked, based on the firepower of his superior regiments.
@@olavtryggvason1194 Frederick was only technically a vassal of the empire. By the time of his grandfather, the emperor's authority had become purely nominal. The rulers of the empire's member states acted largely as the rulers of sovereign states, and only acknowledged the emperor's status in a formal way. He inherited the title King _in_ Prussia from his father, but declared himself King _of_ Prussia after annexing Royal Prussia, a province in the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland, in 1772. Prior to the annexation, Royal Prussia had been geographically isolated from Brandenburg, which the family had ruled for generations as Prince Electors.
@@herrickinman9303 Thank you for explaining my own countrys history to me. I know how weak the Emperors or Empresses rule was after the Treaty of Westphalia from 1648, which was the constitution of the Holy Roman Empire until it faded out under Napoleon in 1806. The electors and the other Princes and Dukes had been very self-confident and self-governing already before the 30 years war, and their role was strengthened by the peace treaty. Friedrich II and his wars were formally rebellions. Saxony had acquired the crown when the Saxon Elector Friedrich August II was elected king of Poland, and after this period hus successors never gave up that title again also without the Polish crown.
One of the sons of the immortal Bach - speaking ENGLISH !!! Very far from reality. In the real world Bach and his sons spoke some mix of German dialects with roots from Thuringia and Saxony. Why must the English speaking people always seize and grasp everything ? Bach and his sons were OUR composers. If they spoke foreign languages they would have chosen French or perhaps Italian at that time. The king Friedrich II spoke French frequently.
Yo chill dude, first of all, CPE Bach was very well-traveled and likely spoke multiple languages, aside from that, you know Johann Christian Bach lived in London for like 20 years right? He became known as John Bach by the Londoners, do you really think he could run about only speaking German???
@@TomSistermans When J C Bach arrived in London his famous father had been dead for several years. Here we are discussing a visit of the old Bach at the court of Friedrich II where Bachs son CPE was employed as a harpsichordist. Bach made this visit - invited by the king - in 1747 when the king just had finished a war and had time again for music. After this Bach had no long time to live, as we all know. CPE Bach was the son of Bach whom he trusted most and whom he believd to be the most skilled musician among his musical offspring. CPE was a prolific composer and a textbook author. About JC Bach the father had the following crushing comment: "Der taugt nicht einmal zum Bierfiedler" = He is not even usable as a rural fiddle player.
@@olavtryggvason1194 my guy, you need to learn how to read, I'm commenting on the fact that you're complaining about a son of Bach speaking English and how that's unacceptable to you... yet we have a Bach that spoke English, and we don't know if CPE did, but he did travel outside of German speaking territory throughout his life so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he would speak some English.
@@TomSistermans We are talking about a visit of J S Bach to the royal Prussian court in Potsdam outside of Berlin 1747. By then not even J C Bach, who was just a teenager, had ever been to England. G F Händel had immigrated to England and adopted the lands language and habits, but that was exceptional. THE big country of the time was France. All people of a refined education wanted to be able to speak French. If the could not then they at least tried to mix up their own language with French words. The king himself, who had invited Bach, preferred French to German. English was still a language of low status, not comparable to our days when English is accepted almost around our whole planet. The king and his musical guest surely spoke German at their meeting. They had no reason to do anything else. English started its career slowly after the United kingdom's victories over Napoleon I. This was accelerated by the industrial reviolution with its origin in England, and with the buildup of the British Empire. But 1747 this lay far in the future.
Bach's music is truly essential. A wonderful production. Danke Schoen!
This is the kind of show that makes me love CZcams. As a musician, harpsichordist and Bach lover, THANK YOU
I visited the Sanssouci earlier today, and now this shows up. I let Google know too much ;) An enjoyable watch, enhancing my visit!
Fine Audiovisual Offering Mr. Eugene Enrico. The first person account made it all the more intimate. Kudos Mr. Tom Huston Orr for a superb performance with a glint in your eye! And to The Men in Black, superb performance indeed. Thank you.
I love the men in black!😁
This was fascinating, wonderful. I learned so much.
Many, many thanks to everyone!👍👏
Should I just call this a "Drama-Documentary" or should I call it a "Masterpiece of Fine Art"?
Whatever - it is magnificent to the point of perfection. The locations, architecture, costumes, musical excellence of composition by the incomparable Bach combined with the beautiful performance(s) by the Akademie für Alte Music, the precise engineering of the audio and photographic recordings, the script, and its superb delivery by the narrator Tom Huston Orr as C.P.E. Bach: were all immaculate.
What else can I say, other than I enjoyed it immensely throughout the whole production
and I give my heartfelt thanks to everybody involved in the creation of this glorious feast of cinematography that is truly fit for a King.
The commentary in the video is mostly fiction.
@@herrickinman9303 : " The commentary in the video is mostly fiction. " ;
Whatever! [ you're entitled to your opinion ]
but the only "commentary" seems, to me, to be the excellent drama-documentary style
screenplay script wherein C. P. E. Bach …
( the 5th of J. S. Bach's 20 children - that He Himself fathered from two historically known wives )
… is depicted as a "post-mortem" narrator recounting, his own recollections
about his Father and other contemporary musical acquaintances who interacted with "Fredrich the Great".
I don't profess myself to be a historically accurate "Bach Scholar" per se :
beyond having read, played, and adequately understood ( much of ) the available record …
( to my own satisfaction )
…of the music and life history of the incomparable J. S. BACH Himself
and as such, …
( having been unable to criticise any of),
… the rhetoric that was exquisitely divulged :
by Tom Huston Orr's outstanding portrayal of a thoroughly credible rendition of …
( what appears, to me, to be )
… a heartfelt Eulogy to his rightfully ( & now globally ) revered Father.
@@jimhill4725 My observation is not an opinion. There are several factual errors. The video also makes things up.
E.g., we have no record that Bach told the king that his Silbermann fortepianos were too hard to play. That was a criticism that Bach had addressed to Silbermann himself in the 1730s. Bach didn't meet the king until 1747! Surely, Silbermann had made a few improvements by then.
If you search YT for "ricercar fortepiano" you can hear Leo van Doeselaar playing the 3- and 6-part ricercars from Musical Offering on a fortepiano after Gottfried Silbermann, 1746, the year before Bach met the king in Prussia at his Potsdam residence. The instrument is evidently not too hard to play.
The video claims that the king in Prussia had assembled the best musicians in Germany. Not true. The best musicians in Germany at the time belonged to the Saxon Electoral/Royal Polish Court in Dresden, which in Bach's day was the opera capital of Germany.
I find the actor's phony German accent very annoying.
Also, what you characterize as a "heartfelt Eulogy" is really an obituary or short bio. You're confusing eulogy and obituary.
@@herrickinman9303 - Thank you "bro" :
I really enjoyed reading your well considered reply.
I would really love to discuss this difference of opinion, further,
over a table full of Brandy, Coffee, and English Strong Ale
the like of which Bach Himself once enjoyed just as much as I still do :
czcams.com/video/nifUBDgPhl4/video.html
This is a rare jewel, thank you.
J.S.Bach a religious man surely believed in the resurrection and what a surprise will be for him when he come back to life to learn that he did became the most celebrated composer of all time.
This is truly wonderderful🥺🥺 definitely deserves more views! Truly informative
A little political history of 18th century Prussian Court and some great music. Bravo.
Little history, mostly fiction.
What a delightful presentation. Always a joy to hear the trio sonata performed well. My first year of history at UTAS I first learnt about Frederick the Great when I was in my 50s. Now I’m in my 70s I might find the time to read more about the enlightened monarch...
Absolutely fantastic! Such harmony of instruments! Beautiful!
@@warrenwongcomposer4274 One of the best vids I've seen on Fredrick and Bach. Loved the comment when Fredrick asked JS Bach what he thought of the piano. Bach's reply was priceless and kinda showed that Bach spoke to the King like a fellow musician. I'm not musically inclined, but I know what I like. Bach's music, whether concerto or cantata, puts me on a whole other plain of consciousness. Very few composers can do that for me. Cheers.
@@warrenwongcomposer4274 Yes. The vid where Bach's 2nd or 3rd son narrates his father's 1st meeting with the King. The quartet played period instruments. Absolutely fantastic! The fellows that played looked like they were having a blast with the music. Everyone of them looked enthralled to be preforming at Sansucci (?) . I know I would have been overwhelmed to be in that setting. Absolutely beautiful!
@@warrenwongcomposer4274 Loved the video and the music. Historical context was amazing. The actor did a great job conveying the moment and the back story of both Bach and Fredrick. Wonderful!
Thank you for this! Mr. Orr is great as CPE Bach and the instrumentalists play the most beautiful rendition of the Trio Sonata I've heard. I have to give a "shout out" to Mr. Huntgeburth: the baroque "flauto traverso" is an extremely difficult instrument to master, and Mr. Huntgeburth makes it seem easy.
An ''excess of Art'' there certainly is!
Perfect.Thank you very much.How really we need to know the surrounding and breath of those remote days connected with Bach..
Interesantisimo
An excellent video, thank you!
This was such a ravishing production. Thank you ❤
Wonderful!
Very entertaining, deserves way more views.
The trio sonata - full of 'Seufzen'
Interesting (I had to look up "seufzen.") This piece sometimes strikes me as having "gallant" tendencies, lol.
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Bach must have felt some sort of admiration for Fredericks musical style!
Probably not. Bach looked down on the new musical developments after 1740 as kind of decay of the old style, which he was mastering as nobody else, not even Händel.
Where can I buy this in full quality? Is it possible to get a hold of a copy Eugene? Preferably a digital copy, but a Bluray/DVD would also work.
The Key of C Minor highlights all the faults of the old flute; the work sounds far better in tune on the modern flute; and the absence of vibrato on the flute contravenes the instructions of Quantz himself.
Mr. Enrico: Beautiful, excellent, informative, well-done. But it seems to me you have omitted the aspect of Bach's knowing that the theme was a "grand seigneur's joke" (the phrase Schoenberg used) played upon him, and this is a huge omission. Was this deliberate?
I wish you would explain. I'm having difficulty understanding the relevance of Schoenberg's comment. I realized he is an admired 20th century composer, but I don't know if he can be considered a scholar of Bach or the music of that era.
I haven't come across any official historic correspondence where Bach acknowledged the Royal theme to be a joke. His dedication to King Frederick would appear quite the opposite.
@@danawinsor1380 Hello Dana, Jalapablo:
To my knowledge, Schoenberg's voice on this matter is not that of a performer, critic, or musicologist, but rather of a composer with great knowledge and insight. And the 'drama' I'm referring to was played out largely implicitly, rather than via letters from Bach and so on. May I refer you to the following items (on line): 1) Arnold Schoenberg, short essay on The Musical Offering, in Style and Idea (Leonard Stein, UC California Press): Part IX (Composers), #1 (Bach), Part 2. 2) CZcams: Michael Parloff: Lecture on Bach's 'Musical Offering' at Music@Menlo 3)CZcams: Bach: My name is Bach ENG SUBS 4)"The Art of Feud," James Gaines, The Guardian, 2005 Jan 14
@@danawinsor1380 Dana, please see my reply below
@@jalapablocrypto Jalapablo, please see my reply below
It would've been King *in* Prussia, rather than of Prussia, wouldn't it have?
Most of these folks are too ignorant to know the difference.
After his victories against the Empress of Austria these things had become obsolete. He was no longer the vasall of the empress, he now was a rebel against the old constitution of the Holy Roman Empire, and after having prevailed against the former central power Austria he could carry whatever title he liked, based on the firepower of his superior regiments.
@@olavtryggvason1194 Frederick was only technically a vassal of the empire. By the time of his grandfather, the emperor's authority had become purely nominal. The rulers of the empire's member states acted largely as the rulers of sovereign states, and only acknowledged the emperor's status in a formal way.
He inherited the title King _in_ Prussia from his father, but declared himself King _of_ Prussia after annexing Royal Prussia, a province in the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland, in 1772. Prior to the annexation, Royal Prussia had been geographically isolated from Brandenburg, which the family had ruled for generations as Prince Electors.
@@herrickinman9303 Thank you for explaining my own countrys history to me. I know how weak the Emperors or Empresses rule was after the Treaty of Westphalia from 1648, which was the constitution of the Holy Roman Empire until it faded out under Napoleon in 1806. The electors and the other Princes and Dukes had been very self-confident and self-governing already before the 30 years war, and their role was strengthened by the peace treaty. Friedrich II and his wars were formally rebellions. Saxony had acquired the crown when the Saxon Elector Friedrich August II was elected king of Poland, and after this period hus successors never gave up that title again also without the Polish crown.
This must be C.E.F.Bach
Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach
Interesting and well presented, but Mr Orr needs to brush up on his German accent - CPE Bach would never have prononced his surname as Bark.
One of the sons of the immortal Bach - speaking ENGLISH !!! Very far from reality. In the real world Bach and his sons spoke some mix of German dialects with roots from Thuringia and Saxony. Why must the English speaking people always seize and grasp everything ? Bach and his sons were OUR composers. If they spoke foreign languages they would have chosen French or perhaps Italian at that time. The king Friedrich II spoke French frequently.
Because Americans financed this video.
Yo chill dude, first of all, CPE Bach was very well-traveled and likely spoke multiple languages, aside from that, you know Johann Christian Bach lived in London for like 20 years right? He became known as John Bach by the Londoners, do you really think he could run about only speaking German???
@@TomSistermans When J C Bach arrived in London his famous father had been dead for several years. Here we are discussing a visit of the old Bach at the court of Friedrich II where Bachs son CPE was employed as a harpsichordist. Bach made this visit - invited by the king - in 1747 when the king just had finished a war and had time again for music. After this Bach had no long time to live, as we all know. CPE Bach was the son of Bach whom he trusted most and whom he believd to be the most skilled musician among his musical offspring. CPE was a prolific composer and a textbook author. About JC Bach the father had the following crushing comment: "Der taugt nicht einmal zum Bierfiedler" = He is not even usable as a rural fiddle player.
@@olavtryggvason1194 my guy, you need to learn how to read, I'm commenting on the fact that you're complaining about a son of Bach speaking English and how that's unacceptable to you... yet we have a Bach that spoke English, and we don't know if CPE did, but he did travel outside of German speaking territory throughout his life so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he would speak some English.
@@TomSistermans We are talking about a visit of J S Bach to the royal Prussian court in Potsdam outside of Berlin 1747. By then not even J C Bach, who was just a teenager, had ever been to England. G F Händel had immigrated to England and adopted the lands language and habits, but that was exceptional. THE big country of the time was France. All people of a refined education wanted to be able to speak French. If the could not then they at least tried to mix up their own language with French words. The king himself, who had invited Bach, preferred French to German. English was still a language of low status, not comparable to our days when English is accepted almost around our whole planet. The king and his musical guest surely spoke German at their meeting. They had no reason to do anything else. English started its career slowly after the United kingdom's victories over Napoleon I. This was accelerated by the industrial reviolution with its origin in England, and with the buildup of the British Empire. But 1747 this lay far in the future.