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Tests You Haven't Seen! | M1 Pro vs M1 Max Final Cut Pro X
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 16. 11. 2021
- I test the M1 Pro and M1 Max Macbook Pros in Final Cut Video Editing to see how much of a difference there is...... and you will be surprised! Plus I will show you a trick that will save you more time than just upgrading your Macbook Pro specs!
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This is a bit of a long comment, but having watched this video and many others, I hope this info is useful to someone.
This video has the following bench:
Apple series 7 unboxing video length 12:03
Rendering 16â model H264 3:35 H265 3:41
Rendering 14â model H264 5:43 H265 6:25
14â M1 pro 8 CPU 14 GPU : video encode/decode engine, ProRes encode/decode engine
16â M1 max 10 CPU 32 GPU : video decode engine; video encode engine x2, ProRes encode/decode engine x2
The max has essentially double the number of encode/decode engines (24 GPU and 32 GPU options). I presume the difference in rendering times is simply down to this difference.
The best M1 option is the M1 Max 10 CPU 24 GPU. It has the same encode/decode engines as the 32 GPU, but is cheaper. In some tests that rely on the GPU, the 24 GPU is sometimes almost as fast as the 32 GPU because it generates less heat and does not need to throttle as much.
Going back to the render time, estimate how long a 30 minute clip would take:
From this videoâs bench:
Video 12:03 = 723 seconds
M1 Max H265 3:41 = 221 seconds
M1 Pro H265 6:25 = 385 seconds
Estimate 30 minute video:
Video 30:00 = 1800 seconds
Rendering M1 Max H265 550 seconds = 9:10 estimate
Rendering M1 Pro H265 958 seconds = 15:59 estimate
So a 30 minute clip would take 7 minutes longer on the M1 than M1 Max.
7 minutes is not nothing, but on the other hand, 15:59 is still significantly faster than what we had years ago.
What is the difference in cost in SOC options? See belowâŠ
M1 Pro 8 CPU 14 GPU to 10 CPU 14 GPU is $200
This is worth it. A lot of different kinds of software are faster with the 10 core than 8 core.
10 CPU 14 GPU to 10 CPU 16 GPU is $100
This is not worth it. There is practically no difference in real world performance.
M1 Pro 10 CPU 16 GPU to M1 Max 10 CPU 24 GPU is $200
This would most definitely be worth it for heavy use scenarios. The GPU increase does improve performance on Photoshop / Lightroom, and other apps that use the GPU. For video editors, the doubling of encoders and decoders will also make a big difference.
M1 Max 10 CPU 24 GPU to M1 Max 10 CPU 32 GPU is $200
Having looked at a lot of reviews, while the 32GPU option is faster, itâs only a tad faster. It also runs hotter than the 24GPU, and requires more power. Unless you need absolute maximum performance, this upgrade is not really worth it. The 32 GPU in the 14â is essentially meaningless due to throttling. Example: Blender Render test on a Max Tech youtube video titled 24 vs 32 core M1 Max has the following times:
16â 24 GPU 1:56
16â 32 GPU 1:44
14â 32 GPU 2:10
It would be interesting to know what the render time of the 14â 24 GPU is but they didnât have that.
So there is a big jump from M1 Pro 8 CPU 14 GPU to M1 Max 10 CPU 24 GPU on the base 14 inch model; however, if you want the 16 inch screen, the base CPU/GPU option is already the 10 CPU 16 GPU, so the upgrade to the M1 Max at $200 is a no brainer (for me anyway).
For configurations where the 14 inch and 16 inch overlap, the difference in price between the 14 inch and 16 inch is only $200. For this you get a bigger screen, bigger battery - longer battery life, and a bigger heatsink, so better thermals and more processing power out the same CPU/GPU.
If you are on a budget, but need a machine for the long haul I would suggest:
For Video editing: M1 Max 24GPU, 16GB RAM, 2 TB SSD
For most Photoshop work: M1 Pro 14GPU, 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD
The reason for 32GB for photo work is that if you are going to be editing very large images with lots or layers, or esspecially large panoramas, 32GB is much better, as people sometimes get beach balls when editing large panoramas on a 16GB machine.
On a tight budget, I would suggest:
For Video editing: M1 Pro 10 CPU 14GPU, 16GB RAM, 2 TB SSD
For most Photoshop work: M1 Pro 10 CPU 14GPU, 16GB RAM, 1 TB SSD
If you are a student on a budget, the following should tide you over well (presuming 4 years of college/university):
14â M1 Pro 10 CPU 14GPU, 16GB RAM, 1 TB SSD
As for 16â vs 14â - have a look at the machines in person. When I saw them, I found the 16â wasnât any much bigger than my 15â Mac Book pro. The 14â did look and feel quite a bit smaller than I was expecting though. Itâs really down to preference.
Regarding battery life on the M1 Max - while it does get less battery life than the M1 Pro, there is a utility you can use to switch the Mac to lower power where performance and battery life is more or less on par with the M1 Pro if you are in a situation where you need to stretch out battery life for a day.
All the above has been gleaned by watching countless youtube videos, looking at video editing, photo editing, programming, and a bunch of other things.
As I do programming, but also photo editing, I decided on the 16â M1 Max 24 GPU, 32GB and 2TB. I expect this machine to last at least 5 years.
Great comment but just be aware you canât buy the M1 Max with 16GB of Unified Memory
I do a lot of 4K clips in one timeline and I run out of RAM memory constantly with just 16GB installed on my 2021 MacBook Pro (16-inch, Apple M1 Proâchip met 10âcore CPU en 16âcore GPU, 16 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD) So I would suggest getting 32GB of RAM.
Great video man, this is exactly what I was searching for
Glad to hear it!
So much logic in this one, great work with all hands on testing.
Quick tip for the compressor times: if you switch to the âcompletedâ tab it has a built in timer for long long each batch/file takes. (Not as fun as watching the stopwatch on the phone though lol)
No faff, simple. Tests that we actually want to see. Thanks buddy that was a great watch. Subscribed :)
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Awesome video, sir!
Clear, concise real-world tests that actually matter.
Thank you so much! Appreciate those kind words!!
DUDE!!!! Been waiting for this video for 2 WEEKS! Thank you so much!!
Did you notice any effects/transitions/plugins where there would be an actual difference in smoothness in day-to-day use in FCPX? You wouldnât happen to have Neatvideo to test out? How about stabilizing footage?
No I haven't to be honest, I think there were maybe one or two transitions that played better on the M1 Max but I wouldn't spend another $1000 for a smoother 2 second transition lol I dont have neatvideo sorry so I cant test that and stabilisation was the same between the two, honestly for most people if you really want to upgrade the base model, just get 32GB of RAM as that will help with smoothness but everything else made almost no difference. As you saw I have a model that was ÂŁ1200 more than the base model and I definitely couldnt see my money worth! It might change later of course but it looks like for almost any kind of 4K video editing, any effects, transition and pluggins I just couldnt see my moneys worth! Its more than 50% cost and I saw maybe like 3-5% improvement at most, you would be better off spending that extra ÂŁ1200 on some new pluggins or camera gear that actually might make a difference to your work!
Hi Techkhamun! Thx for the usefull tests here and info. I also wonder how "remove noise" and "cinema grade" plugins effect both of these chipsets.
Fantastic video - which uhs ii memory cards and reader would you recommend? I shoot weddings so any time savings in downloading footage would be amazing!
Fantastic! Great that you advocate the best VALUE over the big and shiny! Great test to illustrate use cases.
Of course! I buy these products too so Iâm looking for a great deal and I want to share that sometimes just because Apple says something is âmuch fasterâ doesnât mean in the real world it actually is!
@@Techkhamun I think though in a couple months, programs will be able to further optimize their software with the M1 MAX chip. I did enjoy your video and subbed!
â @Chinito Pinoy I agree. I think they will be, but I have to evaluate what is happening right now, not what is ""promised or might happen" you know? We have no idea when or how long it will take for the M1 Max to actually be optimised but once it has, of course there will be another video revisiting this :) And thanks for the sub!!
Thanks for the video.
For my editing of 4K Dolby Vision footages, I am deciding whether to buy M1 Pro instead of M1 Max.
Under M1 Pro, would the video editing work for 4K Dolby Vision footages be as smooth as the editing work for normal 4K footages? I hope there is no dropping frames or any other issue during the 4K Dolby Vision video editing/playback.
Your feedback would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your comment on this matter.
First one to comment. Nice informative video. Will prefer the base 14 inch model with M1 pro. M1 max is at another level, mainly for too intensive video editing tasks. Thanks again
Thanks for sharing đ
Now this is a genuine real world use case. Nobody tests out motion graphics and colour grades
I know right!! Always playback with one colour correction đ€Šââïž
I was just about to get the 32cores m1max but I think you changed my mind
Thank you for your advice. Greetings from Turkey :).
I went with the 14" with the 16" specs from this video. They are the same computer outside of screen size and battery. Also, get the 2tb SSD if you want the fastest performance.
good tests
is there a significant jump from m1 13"(16gb) to m1 pro 14"(16gb)? (4k editing)
Yes differently
i only edit 1080 60 fps but im still deciding if i should get the m1 max mainly because i edit an entire( 2hour ) movie reaction on the timeline with loads of transitions and 3d texts in my workflow i just dont want to deal with slow zooming in and out in the timeline it gets frusterating as im reaching the end of my edits
yep m1 max
You make a good point. I don't get why people seem to care about export times. Yea, when I worked as a video editor, I had to render videos all day; saving a few minutes a pop mattered. As a CZcamsr, however, I don't see how it matters when I'm rendering - at best - 3 videos a day? I'll start my renders when I make dinner, overnight, or when I'm creating the thumbnail and preparing the upload, and that's that. Who cares if it exports 4 MINUTES FASTER OMG! My schedule ain't that tight.
Every review I watch seems to focus so much on export times; I wonder how many people this affects significantly. Can someone plug four displays into the dang thing, and run OBS? And while we're at it, fill up the storage to 80%. Am I the only one red-lining it on the regular?
Wise take, sir.
Exactly, plus people are trying to save these minutes on render times but still using UHS-I cards which are three times slower than UHS-II cards, itâs like you can save so much more time just buy upgrading your and cards for $100-$200 instead of spending over $1200 đ€Šââïž
I have far more tests and a display test is definitely in the works as I want to see where the limit is by running programs and external displays as I know many (including me) dock these MacBooks a lot of the time and we all know that laptops can behave differently when docked
Plus itâs like spend that money difference on some decent gear instead, Iâm seeing CZcamsrs spend $4k on this laptop and still rocking a $100 mic or light or whatever, itâs like use that money on other parts of your production that the audience will care about not just to save yourself 3 minutes on a render haha
@@Techkhamun Well then, subscribed. đđ
@@Techkhamun lol ikr!
Just what I was looking for. Render times are important, but not nearly as important as the editing experience. Keeping your creative flow going is much more motivating.
This video actually makes me sad. So if I use a lot of motionvfx plugins, I just learned that no matter how much I spend on one of these laptops they canât perform like my loaded 2020 iMac. Donât get me wrong, both laptops are faster than my iMac in many thingsâŠbut as a final cut user who uses 4K proxies and STILL cripples my current machine (and yea the original M1 too, I tested it) I was hoping the M1 max would be more powerful and portable so I could replace the iMac. But I use a handful of these plugins at once so đ€
10:17 He literally said they run the motionvfx with 6 layers just fine in performance mode and no dropped frames. He did all of these tests in power saving mode and crippled the performance of these computers. Honestly this is a pretty worthless review because of that. It really doesn't do justice to the power of these computers at all.
Have you found that fcpx opens up super slow? And also loads the projects slow too? I have the m1 pro 14'' and I love it but fcpx just seems a little slow
Both are the same, I think FCPX needs an update!
@@Techkhamun which version is compatible with apple silicon?
@@trustyenriquez if you have updated it via the apple store that would be best as it has may bug fixes and improvements made for the new M1 Pro and Max
@@Techkhamun okay thanks!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I've watched so many videos trying to see how using FCPX responds with these two macs and all the big channels just throw up benchmarks. Great video, much appreciated.
Your review has some interesting tests and suggestions, thanks. I understand you are trying to make a point, but I find the trade-off you present to be a little misleading. You are comparing two very different machines. Much of what one pays for specific to the 16 inch is the screen size and battery life. And for many people they already want 32G or RAM and 1TB SSD. For such people the $ question is then whittled down to it is worth it to spend $400 (13%) more for the M1 Max with 32 core GPU. What is your opinion on that?
So taking screen out of it, its still a $1000 difference not $1200 for the 16inch. I only have the 16inch as i cant afford to buy every model configuration haha Also storage size is the same between the two, both are configured with 512GB. My question was is it worth spending more for an M1 Max and even 32GB and for this kind of work spending an extra 50% is not giving you anywhere near the performance you would expect. If you plan on doing this kind of work I have tested which I would say is pretty normal video editing for most, then save your $1000 and spend it on plugins or whatever that actually might make a difference to your production
I also have this question and agree with the point you are making. Most people deciding between Pro and Max are not comparing an entry-level M1 Pro in a 14" or M1 Max in a 16" - they will probably be looking 14" Pro / Max or 16" Pro / Max with identical RAM/SSD configurations. e.g. 14" 32GB, 1TB with either Pro or Max SoC - the only variable being the choice of SoC.
Once you get to 32GB / 1TB with the M1 Pro, it is only $200 to get the M1 Max with 24-core GPU (the sweet spot for the 14" I think) or an extra $400 for the M1 Max with 32-core GPU.
This is what a lot of people are weighing up, not entry-level vs high-end.
I flip-flopped on this question looking at different reviews of battery life and performance comparisons. I've landed in the M1 Max camp because it offers better video editing performance (for some tasks, not all) and the battery life penaltly seems moderate if not pushing the machine too hard when unplugged (which is more likely to be my use case - heavy work will nearly always be plugged in).
@@johngwheeler which size and spec you opt for ?
So Navjot, your logic is that itâs better to spend $4000 ( storage is dependent on the user as itâs not fair to say to someone that 1TB is enough when like me, my projects are 1TB at a time, so looking at Soc and ram only) for a laptop you will keep for 6-8 years or would it not be better to buy a $2000 Mac now and then upgrade in 3/4 years with another $2000 laptop? You are still spending the same amount over the same time but with apples advancements it would make sense to upgrade more often than to keep a laptop for longer, especially when the soc and battery will degrade. I have bought macs for nearly decades now and Iâve always found itâs better to buy what you need for now, rather than âplanningâ on what you need in the future. Look at the difference between a 2012 and 2015 MacBook. Would it not be better to buy an affordable 2012 MacBook and then in 3 years buy another affordable 2015 MacBook because even a maxed out 2012 MacBook would not outperform an affordable 2015 MacBook. Same goes for now. The M1 Max will more than likely perform similar if not worse than an M4/M5 pro. And you have to deal with a 4 year laptop with all the issues that comes with plus any technologies that you miss out on by holding on to a maxed out M1 Max over just saving that money and upgrading more frequently and buying what you need. I understand what you saying but if you are playing in Apples game, then you have to play by their rules. You are relying on what if they want â8Kâ and blah blah blah but come on, you are actually going to recommend someone spending $2000 more just in case in 4 years time they want to play with 8K? I would rather upgrade twice in 8 years than buy a MacBook to last me 8 years. By the time you hit that 4 year mark, things have changed so much that there is no way to say that the M1 Max is good, but you know the M4 Pro will be better with more specs and more useful tech for the time. I hope that makes sense haha long message I know sorry!!!!
Professionals donât buy something for 8 years, not professionals that make good money anyway. Camera climate changes every 3/4 years etc. I donât know any professional that keeps a computer Mac or PC for 8 years. Imagine buying an 1080 ti GPU and expecting it to last 8 years. Mid range GPUs a few years later out perform it so you are better buying for your needs and then upgrade as you upgrade your skills. itâs better to buy a little less but more frequently than to buy the maximum you can afford at the time but keep it for 8 years. It makes no sense nowadays. Maybe decades ago yes, but not today. Itâs a different technology climate we live in now. I have bought every Mac for a decade, some years are less important than others but I have learnt how to get the most out of apple, and unfortunately with apple itâs better to upgrade more often than to hold on longer than need be.
Just have to say, what's the point in comparing the 'performance' of these computers not in 'performance' mode? Of course the Max isn't going to be much faster, you are limiting it to prioritize using the efficiency cores rather than taking advantage of the performance cores...
Show the actual multicam playback next time. Thanks.
why can't I find a single video showing 1080p exports??? literally 2+ hours in searching and not one video.... 1080p is not dead !!! đ€Łđ€Šââïžđ€Šââïž
You donât need these macs for 1080p video editing thatâs why đđ€Šââïž just get the M1 and you will be fine
Bc a potato PC can export 1080 at this point lol but if you need to extrapolate performance, assume 2-4x faster for 1080.
@@pauldickhaus1803 when you're exporting 50+ meme videos a day for tiktok and ig yes it makes a difference, I want my videos exporting in 1 sec, not 8 đ€Łđ€Ł
@@nofood1 đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Hey my man!
After watching so many videos of M1 Pro/Max comparing FCP, finally someone tested some tracking and other effects.
And the bit about SD cards - so obvious, yet people are not talking about it.
You have a well earned Like and Subscribe from me!
Exporting times are not that important in my opinion.
Have you tested both machines in the real world in FCP. Where is the point where the M1 Pro is NOT fast enough?
What about future proofing?
So 40% are always 3 minutes? ...I'm confused...