The Problem With Command Blocks
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id say using command blocks for jokes occasionally would be fine in the series(making it rarer would also prevent oversaturation of command block based jokes)
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block BASED jokes@@LF21Hungry
How purple thinks people will respond to him using command blocks: Can't believe purple used a command block in a Redstone video... unsubscribe.
How people will actually respond: Purple could totally make a "your dumb command block ideas" video, alongside the "your dumb Redstone ideas" videos.
I made a super long comment on my opinion and you just said it in 2 sentences while being funny. I applaud you.
@@epicman9181 It's way longer than I expexted😂
@@epicman9181 oh god that is such a large paragraph I don't think you have fingers anymore
Please make a video like this Purplers.
omg yes that would be fire
Build a redstone build that will subtly annoy craftymasterman as much as possible
YESSS
no
All you have to do is make it ever so slightly wrong in a bunch of ways. That would annoy basically any redstoner that looks at it.
like execcivly s;low super slow
I must do it
If it's useful, it's cheating.
If it's a really dumb idea, it's a *pro gamer move.*
yeah cause if it is useful you'll want to make it in your own survival world (even if you won't make)
i mean, command blocks are OP as hell? It's reasonable, why make a farm when you can just /summon zombie on a infinite loop, or just /xp?
@@that_guy1211 I saw a guy who was doing a speedrun on minecraft using commands. Command blocks are not needed, setblock end_portal, then kill @e[enderdragon], and again setblock end_portal
@@TheMrKMen LMAO
If it's one of the most recent snapshots, it's commanding
So long as you're doing something creative, crazy, and/or hilarious with the command blocks then I'm here for it.
Back in the day, Sethbling used command blocks all the time in his redstone videos and they were awesome. Nobody was complaining that he was faking anything. Not every redstone CZcamsr needs to be like MumboJumbo...
even Mumbo used command block occasionally back in the days
It's all about the presentation, sethbling went in depth into his command block programs in every video. he was very obviously not trying to mislead anyone about the nature of his creative projects. Having a video about "redstone" where you never mention a command block and essentially just play it off like it's redstone or just conveniently not mention how it works ever when it is command blocks, that IS misleading and should not happen.
@@conniescurse7325 one way you could show that you are using them would be to activate the contraption with one. Makes it clear that some were used, so its not pure redstone, but still is mostly refstone. You could also have some be clearly visible, if activating it with one is not fesable/wont work well.
And if it uses no command blocks, a simple lever or button connected with redstone works.
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@@Bezeley commands/command blocks and redstone are fundamentally not the same thing, though they can work with eachother
I make data packs (which are essentially command blocks accessed in a different way), and I feel that redstone and commands are not really comparable. Neither is better than the other, it's just that redstone is good for some things and commands are good for other things. Some people have the idea that commands are "better" than redstone because they're more capable, and in some ways that's true, but the constraints of redstone are what make it so special.
Modding is clearly better because you alter the game's code, which is far less limited. /s
why the heck is there such a big debate about commands and redstone? just choose which one you want to use, end of story
@@Jamseth_Ingramious I get that you're joking but you do bring up a good point, it remains the same even for mods. They're just different things for different purposes. But now I wonder what the pure redstone stance would be on installing the "Revert 23w46a" mod, is it worth bringing back the version of the copper bulb that had so much potential for the video or is it better to limit yourself to what's possible in vanilla?
I think you should be able to use command blocks for the dumb redstone ideas ONLY
Yeah totally agree, it would let him do even more crazy and stupid ideas which is gonna be fun.
i 100% disagree with you
It's called dumb redstone ideas for a reason.
No? That would defeat the entire point. I don't think you realize how different they would be, it's literally expanding the possiblity space by a factor of infinity.
@@JoannaFalkowskathat's not purplers fault its the person who asked who is at fault
its beautiful how at 2:47 the sun is made to fit the piston door. That is just... satisfying
I'm glad you noticed xD
So... Just start making command block videos separately from redstone videos.
No
I've seen a "simple sand farm" tutorial with a repeating command block setblocking sand into the air over a hopper.
Great.
LOL. Yea because the standard end portal sand farm is too hard too build xD
LOL that cracked me up
My personal opinion is basically that redstone stuff and command block stuff are two different kinds of content, and as long as it's clear which kind it is, I'm fine with plenty of silly command block content. To try and put it more solidly, as long as "redstone" isn't in the title, (Ex: I make your silly ideas in Minecraft come to life), and a reasonable person wouldn't believe it's possible in survival early on, I feel you are completely in the green. In my opinion, the easiest way to fulfill the reasonable person part is just having something that resizes blocks in the first idea, but there are probably many more ways to do so I won't even attempt to list.
Note: I imagine full videos with just stuff that needs command blocks, or a clearly stated second half of a video that includes command blocks. One off uses in a video of ten ideas will create too much to think about, and I definitely want to see more cool stuff with command blocks than that.
Personally, the french person thing does not fulfill these requirements for me, as a reasonable person without exhaustive knowledge of redstone components wouldn't think of whether it's possible and default to assuming it is. But what's more important than the technicalities of how gray an incident is, is the fact that People Get To Make Mistakes! As long as you show that you are trying to improve (as this very video shows), people are allowed to make mistakes along the way. What I am saying is in the context of sustainable future content, not how bad it needs to be to start cancelling. (Honestly, for this level of stuff you need repeated offences at a minimum.)
Final disclaimer: This is my opinion and not anyone else's. People can have opinions besides my own.
Same. Both are fine, if disclosed and described accurately.
Bro wrote an entire essay 🗿
Why is this whole command block vs redstone such a big issue to everyone? Like, i get it if people use it to fake vids. But, just using it to make epic things shouldnt be a huge issue
@@skeleton819 Good question, and I can think of several reasons about that.
1) Confirmation bias. The people who care about this will comment, and the people who don't care won't comment. This means that even if 2% of people really care, they might be 75% of the opinions you see.
2) This is a video about this topic. Even if nobody thought about this when it happened, they are thinking about it now.
3) I don't care so much that I worry every day or something like that. I spent like half an hour thinking "How do I feel about this situation?" and left my opinion here. I don't think that is considered caring deeply as much as being interested. I was frankly more worried when I found that CZcams defaulted to cluttering my email whenever someone responded to my comments. (I managed to set it to just notifications much more easily swiped away.)
There is also the fact that the process of looking deep into the specifics of my opinion probably magnified the issue as a whole.
*This whole reason really only applies to me.
4) Using a command block to easily get past something people have put in years learning is massively disrespectful whenever you try to pass it off as something you actually have the ability to do without command blocks. (Which the typical viewer will default to without evidence to the contrary)
Edit: Honestly, the more I think about this, the more it feels like I used it as an excuse to cover up #5.
5) People don't like being lied to.
Short and simple, but probably the main reason this is relevant. This is why the majority of my opinion is about being clear about what you are doing. I once watched a video that included a 'new way you can craft bedrock' before I knew that mods and command blocks existed, and I felt like an idiot when I found out it was fake because I believed it was in the base game at the time.
6) Spillover from other fake things like mobile game ads and lazy reaction content that rightfully deserve plenty of anger, and that anger can come over to smaller issues like this.
I 1000% support making epic things with command blocks, and the issue only comes from people not knowing they were involved.
Hear me out: in Creative Mode, there’s no such thing as cheating. Its purpose is to remove limitations.
But such thing as Command blocks in redstone Is CHATING
Wdym "CHATING"?@@altmchi7641
I'd agree with you if the definition of cheating wasn't pretty much just removing limitations
@@altmchi7641 Yea bro definitely 'chating'
@@altmchi7641 hmmm you are indeed right coz even if it's not cheating in the face of minecraft it's still cheating in the face of the viewers
Please let my family go weird redstone purple man
W.. Wut
shape world uh uh shape world shape world
Womp womp
Purplers at 3:43: "You could subscribe!" Next sentence: "Even if it was possible, of course."
I have an idea for the French door; so all you need to do is make an airport and any flights incoming from France cant get in. GENIUS
I feel like there's a spectrum of "I made a thing" CZcamsrs from Pure redstoners to command block/datapack tinkerers like PhoenixSC. And being on any point of that spectrum is completely fine. What matters most is setting expectations with your audience. Command block stuff is still pretty damn cool if it's done honestly!
the anti-French door might actually be possible without command blocks. a while ago i had an idea for a door that only opens if an entity with the correct UUID is standing in the right spot. This could work by having an arrow with that entity's UUID as the owner light a tnt which pushes back armor stands on either side of it. because tnt knockback is calculated from the direction of the owner, you could make it so the have to stand in a specific position to knock all the armor stands onto the correct blocks for them to be detected, and if they are on those blocks, the door opens and the machine resets. Just don't let any french people put their arrows in the UUID checker
i think a good way to do it would to be to continue to just use redstone for 9 of the ten creations but pick one of the best unfeasible ideas and use command blocks to make it possible, would keep the integrity of each episode but also add one even crazier contraption to every episode
I'm a command blocker, I have been doing it for around the past 4 years or so. My bias is that command blocks are not cheating. The point of command blocks is to create maps, not to be used in an smp so to speak. Your videos could be classified as being on a map. I even have talked to someone who managed to make command blocks intigrated with redstone. The problem is not that command blocks are cheating, the problem is all people think you do with them is /gamemode and /tp, while the more technical community sees them as a way to express your freedom in creative.
Tl;Dr: Command blocks aren't cheating when used properly.
yeah its pretty much that so long as the video isn't labeled in such a way that gave impression command block would be used ( as every redstone video usually expect to be theorctically possible to be made in vanilla MC with enough resources, as long as it may take)
what are the chances that I found one of my subscribers in the comment section of a random video
@@computersRcool I subbed after finding you through your nuke on r/minecraftcommands xDDD
I mean you could add a little pop-up in a video like "Making your dumb redstone ideas" that said "Command blocks used here!"
A video called something like "Creating your silly ideas using command blocks" would perform well.
I would love to see a “Making your command block ideas” video
I think it's ok to use command blocks for either "joke" builds (like the anti French door) or if you just wanne test something, otherwise redstone contraptions shouldn't use command blocks
Command blocks being used as a means to reload mobs into a contraption definitely makes more sense to do vs having to use a bunch of spawn eggs. Plus they can used in ways to enhance a build such as sending messages in chat or sounds outside of noteblock range. With the messages, yeah droppers and items could be used but could have a case of needing a bunch of droppers to get around the rng nature of them.
2:29 Well, this is why I don't recommend ridiculously impossible "redstone" builds to other people. Because, of course, they require command blocks (but honestly, some of those suggestions don't look possible, even with command blocks)
Sure, sometimes I would suggest to other redstoners to make stuff like 9x9 piston doors for Bedrock Edition as a challenge, but not to the point where it's flat out impossible.
Command blocks are just dope. You can create tons of cool minigames and let you creativity fly. The limitations still exist but they're just in a different order of magnitude.
I think its totally fine as long as you are transparent about it, nobody is undermining your adeptness at redstone just because you use command blocks also on occasion.
7:52 that animation caught me off guard
Bro thought we won't notice the video length at 1:03 😂
I feel particularly called out XD
Most of my channel content is creating working contraption things in vanilla Minecraft with command blocks. Like Titanic steam engines, smooth-moving elevators etc.
In my mind command blocks are as valid part of the game as any other block, not everyone plays survival (Over the last 12 years of playing the game I know I haven't played anywhere near as much survival as I have creative) It's part of the vanilla game so I see no shame in trying to make ambitious contraptions that push what the game can do using command blocks.
It's super cool what command blocks can do. I think the only point being made here is that you shouldn't label those videos as "redstone".
@@JoannaFalkowska Can't they though? All the contraptions I do make do require Redstone circuits and other Redstone machinery to work. command blocks make up but a part in their function but there is still redstone required to make any of them work at all.
Love this! When I did my light show house it required a lot of command blocks and redstone but I wasn't ever sure if that counted as a redstone build or not cus there was no way to get the look / result without mixing in command blocks in the redstone I put in.
I really appreciate how patiently and genuinely you took the time to make this point instead of just making a video going "you won't BELIEVE how DUMB my comments are!! [SCHOOLING NOOBS ON REDSTONE]" Plus I think you have a very mature and nuanced viewpoint on this topic, where it would be really easy to go overboard in one direction or the other for vitriolic engagement.
Bro is so honnest he made an appoligy video for being funny.
Purplers... Don't change your awesome!
Although using commands for the anti-French door was great, it is absolutely possible without them. You can build a door that only lets in "registered" players using allays, or possibly using other mobs with player-specific data.
I feel like it could be fine adding SOME command block ideas to a "redstone ideas" video, as long as it specified that command blocks were used. Maybe there could be a section near the middle or end of the video where contraptions featuring command blocks are shown, before either showing more "pure" redstone creations or just ending off the video.
I was sleeping when this was uploaded, great that you are back!
Just put a note, that the contraption used a command block somewhere, where it's possible to find it and nobody will complain (as long as contraptions using command blocks aren't more common than the redstone ideas obv.)
1:44 bro made dream dirty 💀
One way to solve the issue of using command blocks in redstone idea videos is to have a little label in the corner indicating whether it's survival viable, and separate the video into chapters, if you don't already, so if they're looking for survival viable contraptions only, they can just skip to the next chapter.
you're honesty and honor is admirable and you now have a new subscriber
This was a super fun video to work on, especially the pig launcher
It's not like we're wanting to replicate the builds much. It's just for entertainment. It's a little like PhoenixSC, but in a different format. As one of your few adult viewers, I'm experienced enough to say making a separate series is a bad idea. Just make fun and funny and stuff. Do it with redstone, do it with command blocks, do it with both.
Command blocks and redstone, I love both of these. Minecraft wouldn't be Minecraft if players couldn't break their limits, and command blocks let them do that. As for red stone, I think it is the soul of creativity. And most of all, I love the sound of a redstone machine when it's working
if you're gonna use command blocks in any videos, it's probably fine to do so as long as it isn't abused : if people are gonna click on the video for redstone ideas then ideally most of the video will be pure redstone, but sprinkling in one or two command contraptions should be fine as long as it isn't presented as pure redstone and doesn't takes too much of the video's time.
or well that's the way i view it idk, i'm not a redstone gigabrain
you can imagine redstone as machinery and command block as technology. they migh seem same but are very different machinery is a machine with moving parts and technology is tech that uses electricity to "think" and perfome actions. and they can sometimes cross paths like clock for exaple it uses elecrticity to get that one second tick and then that one second gets delayed to minutes and hours by gears (not all clocks work this way but most wall clocks do so idc). i am not gonna go into details of how it works but thats the basics so i think its fine to use command blocks here and there.
I appreciated this video and I agree with the "angel Purplers". But still I think that a command block that generates huge amount of items when the focus of the video itself is something else (an item sorter, a fast shulker loader, etc) is perfectly fine.
That said, I'd be totally ok and interested in a "I built your unrealistic silly ideas with funny command blocks", just make it clear in both title and thumbnail.
And thank you for your work!
agree with everything said. As datapack creator and command block nerd, I can confirm that redstone and command blocks are simply 2 distinct categories in the game.
Your honesty is very appreciated. A "normal" youtuber would simply ignore concerns for legitimacy and go solely for the entertainment value. The fact that this video exists means that you actually care about your subscribers, and you want to be transparent about these stuff. Thank you
Þis is þe first video of yours i've seen and as a fan of mildly entertaining mildly informative content I love it!
Allays can be used to detect specific players, since they try to throw items at the player who gave them an item. It can’t detect whether you are french, but it can detect whether or not you are Purplurs. I have used this to child proof some redstone on a server I play on, so it only works when I am nearby, it’s quite effective and not difficult to setup.
We need more comand blocks to make more funy videos. Like if the camand block was at the end and was clearly satirical to make a funny joke.
One example: showing off several contraptions next in line, but coincidentally theres an extra button or contraption you "never built" at the end of the showcase thats does the same stuff, but in a wierd way
never saw your channel before, but in the video, you did some crazy command block stuff there. I think It would be super cool if you did stupid command block videos if its possible. Hell, imma sub for the possibility you could do that.
You should make that expanding piston door with command blocks anyways
Just be sure to tell the audiance ahead of time that it is imposable without them
If you want an IRL example, redstone is electrical circuits, and command blocks are code. Electrical circuits can be used to make something happen every time based on when it is powered, but code can make many things happen on a device that allowed it.
Imagine if your phone when powered on only did calls, nothing more. That’s an electrical circuit, now a smart phone which is able to call, but it can also text, access the internet, store photos, play games, and much more. That’s because of code.
If it were me, I’d put a command block icon in the corner during a command block contraption to preserve the sense of honesty while also allowing ridiculous jokes to happen. You could even have it only pop in when the punchline drops to retain the surprise factor.
I feel like command blocks in redstone are similar to how world edit and tools like axiom are perceived in the building community. I mean sure, you aren't placing all the blocks yourself and some of the things you can do with axiom would take forever to do manually like texturing and adding gradients but that doesn't take away from the build itself, it just requires a different set of skills and stuff is at a different scale to be impressive. I would say command blocks do the same thing in the redstone community, it may seem ingenuine to use them, but there are plenty of command block CZcamsrs, like Mysticat for example, who make some really impressive things. So just do what you feel is right for your videos and your content without wondering what your audience will think as much.
Just entertain us, you silly goose ! If its bothering you that much, put a command block icon in the corner of the video when you use them
Command blocks ARE redstone, but it’s only in activation, so anything that happens because of that command block are not directly activated with redstone, and therefor have an illegal connection, breaking the redstone, so command blocks cannot be used for machine operations itself, but stuff like restocking supplies for a showcase or restoring flying machines that are disposable, or other things like that
you could just put an little icon on the builds that use commandblocks at the corner of the screen like
*commandblock image* this build used command blocks
so that way you woudlnt be tricking anyone
Just put ‘ dumb redstone ideas (ft. Command blocks ‘
No way he put a Dream video in the fake videos category 💀
he did the right thing
@@ccnde It's just really funny
Honestly, id love to see command block users in the spotlight on social media. The shit you can do with them is insane! Im not talking about the one and done command blocks, i mean using pulsing and chain command blocks activated with redstone logic. Seriously, i think you should consider making a video showing off what advanced command block usage can actually do (and not just a tutorial on how it works, those already exist and are well done).
Id say in every one of those videos do 9 redstone ones and one command block one. Specify which is the command block one and you get the best of both sides
The inner turmoil of using a command block must have been too overwhelming. lol
I think I can speak for most people though when I say if it's entertaining we really don't care how you executed the joke, keep making awesome videos dude!
When the sand wave popped up after the dumb Redstone ideas section, thought of a cool idea.
Sand wave but the sand bounces to the next piston in some sort of spiral pattern (if possible)
my favorite part is that purplers probably could have used allays to detect which player is near the french door (unless they werent added yet, im too lazy too check the release date lmao)
I'm not a watcher of your channel, at least not a regular one, but command blocks require quite a bit of skill and know-how.
Also they look interesting in some contraptions. I used them as decor pieces in my copper casino.
yes since it is activated using redstone components, but it's different because of the creative mode exclusivity. more in line with data packs and stuff. still impressive and can be used for custom map making.
everyone knew the door was command blocks and no one cared. Your fine man
using the new crafter, make an overcomplicated machine, that requires you to complete minigames or captchas for every individual inserted item c:
One of those minigames could be Simon Says; while the captcha one could be a block-swapper interface where you have to select the green concrete blocks, and none of the other.
If you fail any of the minigames or captchas, the process fails, the crafting is canceled and you only get your items back if you succeed at another captcha.
Oh and for actually crafting upon sending all required items you need to play another minigame or captcha as well.
I was actually hoping to see a redstone video using command blocks as they go together very well. For example, many people may not know this but you can use a comparator on a command block, and it will output a redstone signal based on its last success count (how many times the command was successfully executed, usually 1 but can be higher for certain commands)
if its silly enough its they dont even want to do it in survival.
maybe adding a disclaimer, that its impossible without commandblocks, so command blocks were used
That's great but will you show your Gyatt?
First time being this early to a video. Good content. Gonna give em a sub 👌🏼
cool redstone idea:
a tower base with several rooms,but the doors along with all the other cool redstone features,all controlled by a single boxy room at the top,or maybe some remote glitch,like the fishing rod glitvh in older versions of the game or sculk tech
Eight minutes and 24 seconds that I will never recover
Hi new subscriber love your videos 😊
Build a machine that decides whether or not you can use command blocks for an idea
something i personally like to do since i play modded, is use a combination of mods, datapacks, and redstone for my shenanigans. ofc this is on my private SMP and not a redstone vid
Ever notice you can do animation with blocks in Minecraft, like stop motion and screenshots and blocks. Like, you don't need to use puppet rigs or physical animations or assets or have to draw it. It's easy and fun.
You should do a new series like the “dumb red stone ideas” but you can use command blocks so it can be more opens and the imagination can go out more
Also for the expandable door. You can just build a very big door and make the flying machines change the view size
I say as long as you are honest upfront about using command blocks for certain builds, I don’t think it’d be that big of an issue.
Purplers making a better confession video than most redstoners do actual redstone lol
3:13 there was a video by mumbo jumbo in 2018 where he views other redstoners builds, and in that episode he reviews a piston door that contains no redstone AND assembles itself lol, so yes you can make an expanding dior, it'll jjsut be complicatedf and stuff
Very nice Video @Purplers ! :))
Purplers make a series were you make those impossible ideas with command blocks
You can actually make a redstone door that gets higher every time u use it. U can put a lot of concrete powder under and every time that door are opened it gets pushed up. And make a piston tower all the way up to the build limit.
The fact the command block video was using orange powder and you used red sand...
You should do a video where you use command blocks for dumb redstone ideas
Yes
maybe using ground rules that allows the usage of command blocks in some videos unrelated to any spesific series would be neat.
Purple: i only used command blocks once. Me: strider on a glider?
Edit: found another one lol: a machine that crashes ur game when u eat next to it
Personally I think command blocks are awesome and could use some more love but just be forthcoming if you’re showcasing and it uses command blocks. Imho it detracts from the video if I’m wondering the whole of something is “legit” restore or not
I would love more command blocks
2:48 the way the sun lined up with that door tho
I can think of a way to do *most* of the expanding piston door example without command blocks, but it instead requires expanding the definition of “piston door” to be pretty weird. And I’m not sure it’s 100% possible, though I think it is in the right circumstances.
what if you made a series where you combine the 2 ways of coding and stratch and bend it to its absolute limit? would be sorta fun and seeing the crazy contraptions pushing the boundrys of commands would be entertaining.
How did the french door work even with command blocks? (I appreciate you for getting up and posting this at 2:00 in the morning (I think you are British))
A series of videos called Impossible Redstone for command block videos
Now that's a man of standards. Subbed